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Key takeaways from 1st week of Derek Chauvin trial in the death of George Floyd

Trial for Derek Chauvin began this past week. Here’s the latest details on the trial so far. The last person to take the stand on Friday, gave some interesting testimony. Lt. Zimmerman who stated Chauvin’s use of force was unnecessary, and that officers are not trained to kneel on a person’s neck while they are handcuffed.



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“The trial for Derek Chauvin, the former police officer charged in the death of George Floyd, wrapped its first week in Minneapolis, with opening statements and several key witness testimonies.

The high-profile trial is expected to last another three weeks, as Chauvin faces charges of manslaughter, second-degree murder and third-degree murder. Even President Joe Biden is "watching closely," according to White House press secretary Jen Psaki.


Attorneys make their case

In his opening statement on Monday, prosecutor Jerry Blackwell told the jury that Chauvin "betrayed his badge" when he dug his knee into Floyd's neck "until the very life was squeezed out of him."

He played part of a video shot by a teenage bystander of the May 25, 2020, incident and alleged that Chauvin had his knee on the back of Floyd's neck for longer than 8 minutes and 46 seconds, the time initially included in a criminal complaint. Blackwell said Chauvin dug his knee into Floyd's neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds, long enough to cause Floyd's death as a result of oxygen deficiency.

In his opening statement, Chauvin's attorney, Eric Nelson, countered that the case is "far greater than 9 minutes and 29 seconds," and urged the jury to consider all the evidence.

Most senior Minneapolis Police Department officer takes the stand

Lt. Richard Zimmerman, who has the most seniority of any officer in the Minneapolis Police Department, was the last witness to testify this week. He told the jury that he has never been trained to kneel on the neck of someone who is in handcuffs, and that once a subject is in handcuffs, the threat they may pose to officers "goes down all the way."

When asked by the prosecution what an officer's responsibility is for the subject, he said, "That person is yours. He's your responsibility. His safety is your responsibility."


Zimmerman also called the use of force used on Floyd "totally unnecessary."

When Nelson cross-examined Zimmerman, he tried to paint a picture for the jury that it's been a long time since Zimmerman was on the streets as a patrol officer, like Chauvin was.”
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What struck me was how traumatized all the witnesses were. I probably would have been as well if I had seen the life snuffed out of man right before my eyes
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What struck me was how traumatized all the witnesses were. I probably would have been as well if I had seen the life snuffed out of man right before my eyes

I hope the judge instructed the jury to not consider any of that. But I can see why they would be traumatized. But that is not evidence. For the most part, it is not what they THINK but only what the SAW.

Again: as I have in nearly every other case anything like this the cop sure seems to have committed a crime.

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What struck me was how traumatized all the witnesses were. I probably would have been as well if I had seen the life snuffed out of man right before my eyes

I hear you. You have to wonder what the hell was wrong with that cop? Where was his humanity? The evidence of him kneeling in Mr. Floyd’s neck for over 9 minutes until he went unconscious, speaks for itself. He never made any attempt whatsoever to raise his knee off the victim. Pure evil.

Even when the paramedics sardined he didn’t immediately take his knee off. The fact that Lt. Zimmerman said, the excessive force Chauvin used, was unnecessary.
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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:
What struck me was how traumatized all the witnesses were. I probably would have been as well if I had seen the life snuffed out of man right before my eyes
I hear you. You have to wonder what the hell was wrong with that cop? Where was his humanity? The evidence of him kneeling in Mr. Floyd’s neck for over 9 minutes until he went unconscious, speaks for itself. He never made any attempt whatsoever to raise his knee off the victim. Pure evil. Even when the paramedics sardined he didn’t immediately take his knee off. The fact that Lt. Zimmerman said, the excessive force Chauvin used, was unnecessary.

what of the facts that he had taken a lethal does of drugs? I am not sure I accept that as a defence. A big issue with the charges is a knee to the neck was legal and within the department policy... he just used it too long. All his acts leading up to that moments: taking drugs, trying to pass a fake $20 bill, all his talking, him going to the ground... do not excuse the extended use of that maneuver.

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2elijah said:


jjhunsecker said:
What struck me was how traumatized all the witnesses were. I probably would have been as well if I had seen the life snuffed out of man right before my eyes

I hear you. You have to wonder what the hell was wrong with that cop? Where was his humanity? The evidence of him kneeling in Mr. Floyd’s neck for over 9 minutes until he went unconscious, speaks for itself. He never made any attempt whatsoever to raise his knee off the victim. Pure evil. Even when the paramedics sardined he didn’t immediately take his knee off. The fact that Lt. Zimmerman said, the excessive force Chauvin used, was unnecessary.


what of the facts that he had taken a lethal does of drugs? I am not sure I accept that as a defence. A big issue with the charges is a knee to the neck was legal and within the department policy... he just used it too long. All his acts leading up to that moments: taking drugs, trying to pass a fake $20 bill, all his talking, him going to the ground... do not excuse the extended use of that maneuver.




I’m not surprised at your response. Too many eye witnesses saw what happened. Many were on the stand this week. Americans watched Chauvin kneel on a man’s neck, who was lying on his stomach, handcuffed, and 2 other cops kneeling on the lower portion of his body. Mr. Floyd posed no threat during the 9 plus minutes, Chauvin squeezed the life from him. As Lt. Zimmerman stated, that Chauvin’s use of force was unnecessary.

The jury will be the ones to decide, not you, me or anyone else on this board.
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2elijah said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

what of the facts that he had taken a lethal does of drugs? I am not sure I accept that as a defence. A big issue with the charges is a knee to the neck was legal and within the department policy... he just used it too long. All his acts leading up to that moments: taking drugs, trying to pass a fake $20 bill, all his talking, him going to the ground... do not excuse the extended use of that maneuver.

I’m not surprised at your response. Too many eye witnesses saw what happened. Many were on the stand this week. Americans watched Chauvin kneel on a man’s neck, who was lying on his stomach, handcuffed, and 2 other cops kneeling on the lower portion of his body. Mr. Floyd posed no threat during the 9 plus minutes, Chauvin squeezed the life from him. As Lt. Zimmerman stated, that Chauvin’s use of force was unnecessary. The jury will be the ones to decide, not you, me or anyone else on this board.

weird? nothing you said contradicts anything I said...

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2elijah said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:



2elijah said:


jjhunsecker said:
What struck me was how traumatized all the witnesses were. I probably would have been as well if I had seen the life snuffed out of man right before my eyes

I hear you. You have to wonder what the hell was wrong with that cop? Where was his humanity? The evidence of him kneeling in Mr. Floyd’s neck for over 9 minutes until he went unconscious, speaks for itself. He never made any attempt whatsoever to raise his knee off the victim. Pure evil. Even when the paramedics sardined he didn’t immediately take his knee off. The fact that Lt. Zimmerman said, the excessive force Chauvin used, was unnecessary.


what of the facts that he had taken a lethal does of drugs? I am not sure I accept that as a defence. A big issue with the charges is a knee to the neck was legal and within the department policy... he just used it too long. All his acts leading up to that moments: taking drugs, trying to pass a fake $20 bill, all his talking, him going to the ground... do not excuse the extended use of that maneuver.




I’m not surprised at your response. Too many eye witnesses saw what happened. Many were on the stand this week. Americans watched Chauvin kneel on a man’s neck, who was lying on his stomach, handcuffed, and 2 other cops kneeling on the lower portion of his body. Mr. Floyd posed no threat during the 9 plus minutes, Chauvin squeezed the life from him. As Lt. Zimmerman stated, that Chauvin’s use of force was unnecessary.

The jury will be the ones to decide, not you, me or anyone else on this board.


I knew that he would be saying that even before he did.,,

Is there ever a Black victim of police violence that he doesn’t find something to justify what happened to them ? He’ll occasionally give lip service and say it’s a “tragedy “ or something along those lines. But he will then claim legal knowledge greater than F. Lee Bailey or Clarence Darrow, and say that somehow, someway, that the Black victims were at fault.

Sad, but predictable and not at all surprising
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2elijah said:
I’m not surprised at your response. Too many eye witnesses saw what happened. Many were on the stand this week. Americans watched Chauvin kneel on a man’s neck, who was lying on his stomach, handcuffed, and 2 other cops kneeling on the lower portion of his body. Mr. Floyd posed no threat during the 9 plus minutes, Chauvin squeezed the life from him. As Lt. Zimmerman stated, that Chauvin’s use of force was unnecessary. The jury will be the ones to decide, not you, me or anyone else on this board.
I knew that he would be saying that even before he did.,, Is there ever a Black victim of police violence that he doesn’t find something to justify what happened to them ? He’ll occasionally give lip service and say it’s a “tragedy “ or something along those lines. But he will then claim legal knowledge greater than F. Lee Bailey or Clarence Darrow, and say that somehow, someway, that the Black victims were at fault. Sad, but predictable and not at all surprising

i did not justify it at all.

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2elijah said:


I’m not surprised at your response. Too many eye witnesses saw what happened. Many were on the stand this week. Americans watched Chauvin kneel on a man’s neck, who was lying on his stomach, handcuffed, and 2 other cops kneeling on the lower portion of his body. Mr. Floyd posed no threat during the 9 plus minutes, Chauvin squeezed the life from him. As Lt. Zimmerman stated, that Chauvin’s use of force was unnecessary.

The jury will be the ones to decide, not you, me or anyone else on this board.


I knew that he would be saying that even before he did.,,

Is there ever a Black victim of police violence that he doesn’t find something to justify what happened to them ? He’ll occasionally give lip service and say it’s a “tragedy “ or something along those lines. But he will then claim legal knowledge greater than F. Lee Bailey or Clarence Darrow, and say that somehow, someway, that the Black victims were at fault.

Sad, but predictable and not at all surprising

Exactly. Smh.
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2elijah said:

OnlyNDaUsa said: I’m not surprised at your response. Too many eye witnesses saw what happened. Many were on the stand this week. Americans watched Chauvin kneel on a man’s neck, who was lying on his stomach, handcuffed, and 2 other cops kneeling on the lower portion of his body. Mr. Floyd posed no threat during the 9 plus minutes, Chauvin squeezed the life from him. As Lt. Zimmerman stated, that Chauvin’s use of force was unnecessary. The jury will be the ones to decide, not you, me or anyone else on this board.

weird? nothing you said contradicts anything I said...

It does not have to contradict - it is just the fact that YOU said it and you just dont roll over to the liberal narrative

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weird? nothing you said contradicts anything I said...

It does not have to contradict - it is just the fact that YOU said it and you just dont roll over to the liberal narrative

and everything i said is true and feeling free and emotion free and I still say the officer was wrong...and his actions were criminal.

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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:

What struck me was how traumatized all the witnesses were. I probably would have been as well if I had seen the life snuffed out of man right before my eyes

I hear you. You have to wonder what the hell was wrong with that cop? Where was his humanity? The evidence of him kneeling in Mr. Floyd’s neck for over 9 minutes until he went unconscious, speaks for itself. He never made any attempt whatsoever to raise his knee off the victim. Pure evil.

Even when the paramedics sardined he didn’t immediately take his knee off. The fact that Lt. Zimmerman said, the excessive force Chauvin used, was unnecessary.

Interesting choice of words: "that cop" and "Mr. Floyd." Deens like you've already convicted Mr. Chauvin before the judge has said a word.
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SantanaMaitreya said:

2elijah said:


I hear you. You have to wonder what the hell was wrong with that cop? Where was his humanity? The evidence of him kneeling in Mr. Floyd’s neck for over 9 minutes until he went unconscious, speaks for itself. He never made any attempt whatsoever to raise his knee off the victim. Pure evil.

Even when the paramedics sardined he didn’t immediately take his knee off. The fact that Lt. Zimmerman said, the excessive force Chauvin used, was unnecessary.

Interesting choice of words: "that cop" and "Mr. Floyd." Deens like you've already convicted Mr. Chauvin before the judge has said a word.


I think the video of that cop with his knee on Mr. Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds convicted him in the eyes of most of the world

But it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Chauvin got off scot free
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SantanaMaitreya said:

2elijah said:
I hear you. You have to wonder what the hell was wrong with that cop? Where was his humanity? The evidence of him kneeling in Mr. Floyd’s neck for over 9 minutes until he went unconscious, speaks for itself. He never made any attempt whatsoever to raise his knee off the victim. Pure evil. Even when the paramedics sardined he didn’t immediately take his knee off. The fact that Lt. Zimmerman said, the excessive force Chauvin used, was unnecessary.
Interesting choice of words: "that cop" and "Mr. Floyd." Deens like you've already convicted Mr. Chauvin before the judge has said a word.

it is emotions... it is common... i got called out for quoting the law in a given state and said why i did not think some of the laws applied and how some of the laws did apply (in terms of what charges were appropriate)....

YET many were saying it was clearly MURDER and were calling the killer a "Murder" when NO... he had not been convicted... and that was fine.

In this case I made several statements of fact that are (Or will soon be) in evidence and yet I still believe the act is some form of crime. In many cases (Martin and in recent Rayshard Brooks) the prosecutor seems to over charge. I said 1000 times in Martin it was not 2nd degree murder (And I said why) same good for Brooks (who was in the moment he was shot firing a weapon at a person with the apparent intent to take him firearm. Some LIARS say he was just running away and he was being peaceful). Same thing in the Dallas wrong apartment shooting. A clear case of criminal negalangec and she is convicted of Murder? that is a travesty of justice. the only saving grace is 10 years is about right for what she actually did.

What seems to happen is people want 'social Justice' for crimes of the past...but that is not fair for anyone. Say a person forgets to pay for a pack of gum... and gets caught and charged for felony theft because over the last 10 years $10,000 worth of items had been stolen from that store? Same EXACT thing.

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SantanaMaitreya said:

2elijah said:


I hear you. You have to wonder what the hell was wrong with that cop? Where was his humanity? The evidence of him kneeling in Mr. Floyd’s neck for over 9 minutes until he went unconscious, speaks for itself. He never made any attempt whatsoever to raise his knee off the victim. Pure evil.

Even when the paramedics sardined he didn’t immediately take his knee off. The fact that Lt. Zimmerman said, the excessive force Chauvin used, was unnecessary.

Interesting choice of words: "that cop" and "Mr. Floyd." Deens like you've already convicted Mr. Chauvin before the judge has said a word.

Yes ‘that cop’ whose knee forced the breath out of Mr. Floyd. popcorn
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jjhunsecker said:

SantanaMaitreya said:


Interesting choice of words: "that cop" and "Mr. Floyd." Deens like you've already convicted Mr. Chauvin before the judge has said a word.


I think the video of that cop with his knee on Mr. Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds convicted him in the eyes of most of the world

But it wouldn’t surprise me at all if Chauvin got off scot free

Exactly, and I agree with your last statement as well, because ‘too often’ we’ve seen many bad cops, get away with murder, especially when the victim is Black. Some folks just hate hearing that ugly truth, yet bad cops getting away with murder is so common in America.
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What was the separate felony for the second degree murder charge? If he is convicted on that charge he will get and win an appeal. Was he charge with any other felonies?






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it is emotions... it is common... i got called out for quoting the law in a given state and said why i did not think some of the laws applied and how some of the laws did apply (in terms of what charges were appropriate)....

YET many were saying it was clearly MURDER and were calling the killer a "Murder" when NO... he had not been convicted... and that was fine.

In this case I made several statements of fact that are (Or will soon be) in evidence and yet I still believe the act is some form of crime. In many cases (Martin and in recent Rayshard Brooks) the prosecutor seems to over charge. I said 1000 times in Martin it was not 2nd degree murder (And I said why) same good for Brooks (who was in the moment he was shot firing a weapon at a person with the apparent intent to take him firearm. Some LIARS say he was just running away and he was being peaceful). Same thing in the Dallas wrong apartment shooting. A clear case of criminal negalangec and she is convicted of Murder? that is a travesty of justice. the only saving grace is 10 years is about right for what she actually did.

What seems to happen is people want 'social Justice' for crimes of the past...but that is not fair for anyone. Say a person forgets to pay for a pack of gum... and gets caught and charged for felony theft because over the last 10 years $10,000 worth of items had been stolen from that store? Same EXACT thing.

Theft and murder are 2 different crimes.

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Interesting choice of words: "that cop" and "Mr. Floyd." Deens like you've already convicted Mr. Chauvin before the judge has said a word.

The video doesn't lie. It was full out murder. Chauvin IS guilty. Watch how that cop put more and more pressure on Mr. Floyd's neck. Watch it, and then come back and tell us it wasn't murder.



And let's hope to hell it doesn't end in a hung jury.

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PennyPurple said:



SantanaMaitreya said:






Interesting choice of words: "that cop" and "Mr. Floyd." Deens like you've already convicted Mr. Chauvin before the judge has said a word.

The video doesn't lie. It was full out murder. Chauvin IS guilty. Watch how that cop put more and more pressure on Mr. Floyd's neck. Watch it, and then come back and tell us it wasn't murder.





And let's hope to hell it doesn't end in a hung jury.



I still think Chauvin will get off... I would be very pleasantly surprised if he got convicted
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jjhunsecker said:

PennyPurple said:

The video doesn't lie. It was full out murder. Chauvin IS guilty. Watch how that cop put more and more pressure on Mr. Floyd's neck. Watch it, and then come back and tell us it wasn't murder.



And let's hope to hell it doesn't end in a hung jury.

I still think Chauvin will get off... I would be very pleasantly surprised if he got convicted

I think somethings gonna happen and he's going to walk. Blame it on the drugs, blame it on the heart, blame everything and everyone but Chauvin.

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PennyPurple said:



jjhunsecker said:


PennyPurple said:


The video doesn't lie. It was full out murder. Chauvin IS guilty. Watch how that cop put more and more pressure on Mr. Floyd's neck. Watch it, and then come back and tell us it wasn't murder.





And let's hope to hell it doesn't end in a hung jury.



I still think Chauvin will get off... I would be very pleasantly surprised if he got convicted

I think somethings gonna happen and he's going to walk. Blame it on the drugs, blame it on the heart, blame everything and everyone but Chauvin.



It’s rare that a cop killing a Black person even gets to trial
So I have very little faith in the system working
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PennyPurple said:

SantanaMaitreya said:

Interesting choice of words: "that cop" and "Mr. Floyd." Deens like you've already convicted Mr. Chauvin before the judge has said a word.

The video doesn't lie. It was full out murder. Chauvin IS guilty. Watch how that cop put more and more pressure on Mr. Floyd's neck. Watch it, and then come back and tell us it wasn't murder.



And let's hope to hell it doesn't end in a hung jury.

maybe... I am pretty sure you do not know what Murder means... I so not see 2nd or 1st degree murder. not in its formal sense.

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Reply #24 posted 04/04/21 6:51pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

The video doesn't lie. It was full out murder. Chauvin IS guilty. Watch how that cop put more and more pressure on Mr. Floyd's neck. Watch it, and then come back and tell us it wasn't murder.



And let's hope to hell it doesn't end in a hung jury.

maybe... I am pretty sure you do not know what Murder means... I so not see 2nd or 1st degree murder. not in its formal sense.

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You said the same thing about the charges against the killer of Justine Damond in the same State and were shown to be factually wrong. Thankfully no one is measured by your limited graps of the law.

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maybe... I am pretty sure you do not know what Murder means... I so not see 2nd or 1st degree murder. not in its formal sense.

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You said the same thing about the charges against the killer of Justine Damond in the same State and were shown to be factually wrong. Thankfully no one is measured by your limited graps of the law.

i doubt you have correctly atrbuted what I said...

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

The video doesn't lie. It was full out murder. Chauvin IS guilty. Watch how that cop put more and more pressure on Mr. Floyd's neck. Watch it, and then come back and tell us it wasn't murder.



And let's hope to hell it doesn't end in a hung jury.

maybe... I am pretty sure you do not know what Murder means... I so not see 2nd or 1st degree murder. not in its formal sense.

Does murder have different meanings?

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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You said the same thing about the charges against the killer of Justine Damond in the same State and were shown to be factually wrong. Thankfully no one is measured by your limited graps of the law.

i doubt you have correctly atrbuted what I said...

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I have absolutely correctly attributed what you said - you spoke about the exact same things - the charge was too high so he would either be aquitted or win on appeal. This has not happened.

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IanRG said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:




IanRG said:



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You said the same thing about the charges against the killer of Justine Damond in the same State and were shown to be factually wrong. Thankfully no one is measured by your limited graps of the law.





i doubt you have correctly atrbuted what I said...



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I have absolutely correctly attributed what you said - you spoke about the exact same things - the charge was too high so he would either be aquitted or win on appeal. This has not happened.



Did I include 3rd degree?
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Reply #29 posted 04/04/21 9:17pm

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IanRG said:

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I have absolutely correctly attributed what you said - you spoke about the exact same things - the charge was too high so he would either be aquitted or win on appeal. This has not happened.

Did I include 3rd degree?

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You argued that the 3rd degree murder charge should have only been the 2nd degree manslaughter because this would fail in court or succeed in appeal - It did not. His appeal against 3rd degree was thrown out in February.

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This was for an improper quick response that he immediately regretted. In the Floyd case Chauvin took more than 9 minutes to kill Floyd and ignored professionals who tried to intervene.

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