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AMERICA1ST

Is this the most obvious sign of the end of America yet?

Energy indepedence. Immigration. Free Speech. Big Tech. Socialism. Cancel Culture. Puppet President. China.

Where will we be by 2024?

[Edited 3/27/21 6:00am]

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Reply #1 posted 03/27/21 8:33pm

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Word salad.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #2 posted 03/28/21 5:34am

AMERICA1ST

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Word salad.

Indeed - take a big bite and get enlightened

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Reply #3 posted 03/28/21 7:28am

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AMERICA1ST said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Word salad.

Indeed - take a big bite and get enlightened

Food poisoning would be more likely

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."

Poppys, Shanon319, Number23, Kares. #lifttheban
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Reply #4 posted 03/28/21 7:45am

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He needs Adderall
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Reply #5 posted 03/28/21 9:39am

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I am not sure...I will say no one should be happy that fool joe the child sniffer accused rapist ended the construction of the Keystone Pipeline as in doing so is worst on nearly every level as any other means to transport oil. Trucks, trains, and boat leak more and burn fuel to move it... the cost is more it is less safe it takes longer and it pollutes more!

I did not read that.
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Reply #6 posted 03/30/21 10:10am

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U have Covid Only?

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #7 posted 03/31/21 4:33am

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Silliness.

[Edited 3/31/21 4:34am]

"I think people ought to know that we're anti-fascist, we're anti-violence, we're anti-racist and we're pro-creative. We're against ignorance."
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Reply #8 posted 03/31/21 3:11pm

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AMERICA1ST said:

Energy indepedence. Immigration. Free Speech. Big Tech. Socialism. Cancel Culture. Puppet President. China.


Where will we be by 2024?

[Edited 3/27/21 6:00am]




You know what, cancel culture is a huge problem, its like trying to kill someone. Accusations without proof or cancelling someone over something stupid they said as a teen is bad! Cancelling is people losing their job. Noone else will employ them. No food. No home. No prospects. Its awful. I feel so bad for some of these people. Obviously not for people who commit heinous crimes!
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Reply #9 posted 03/31/21 3:15pm

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Also, free speech does seem to be stifled. Here too. (UK, not the org) This is a problem!

I don't know enough about usa culture to comment on the rest of your post, you are often I suppose quite extreme in your views but I think both of these points you made are very, very accurate.
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Actually, Big tech is scary too.

Bang on.

This is a universal issue we should all be concerned about!
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Reply #11 posted 04/01/21 11:10am

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The election of reality show star Donald Trump and the acceptance of his appointments of unqualified family to federal positions was the most obvious sign of the end of America. And it is all because of a general decay of intelligence and wisdom in the common citizen.

But all kingdoms decay and disappear.

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Reply #12 posted 04/01/21 11:34am

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ufoclub said:

The election of reality show star Donald Trump and the acceptance of his appointments of unqualified family to federal positions was the most obvious sign of the end of America. And it is all because of a general decay of intelligence and wisdom in the common citizen.

But all kingdoms decay and disappear.

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

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Reply #13 posted 04/01/21 1:17pm

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Also, free speech does seem to be stifled. Here too. (UK, not the org) This is a problem! I don't know enough about usa culture to comment on the rest of your post, you are often I suppose quite extreme in your views but I think both of these points you made are very, very accurate. [Edited 3/31/21 15:16pm]

Do you know why you would call my views extreme?

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AMERICA1ST said:

coldcoffeeandcocacola said:

.... you are often I suppose quite extreme in your views

Do you know why you would call my views extreme?


I do. White supremacy.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #15 posted 04/01/21 2:49pm

AMERICA1ST

TrivialPursuit said:

AMERICA1ST said:

Do you know why you would call my views extreme?


I do. White supremacy.

I am not white. In fact, I have been black longer than you have been alive. Try again.

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AMERICA1ST said:

TrivialPursuit said:


I do. White supremacy.

I am not white. In fact, I have been black longer than you have been alive. Try again.


A lot of black people uphold white supremacist ideas in order to be part of the larger consensus. They're complicit to it. You're not convincing me you're different from any piece of shit that stormed the capital on Jan 6 or that wears a MAGA hat. All in all, those types of folks are just ignorant so count yourself among that.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #17 posted 04/01/21 6:37pm

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AMERICA1ST said:



TrivialPursuit said:




AMERICA1ST said:



Do you know why you would call my views extreme?




I do. White supremacy.



I am not white. In fact, I have been black longer than you have been alive. Try again.

[Edited 4/1/21 14:52pm]



You’re a liar.
George HW Bush was Blacker than you
#SOCIETYDEFINESU
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TrivialPursuit

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AMERICA1ST said:

I am not white. In fact, I have been black longer than you have been alive. Try again.

You’re a liar. George HW Bush was Blacker than you


"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #19 posted 04/01/21 8:16pm

Margot

America is in decline. I feel much of it stems from sub-standard educational standards.

There are very Americans who speak and write well; very few read anything of substance.

There is a lack true effort expended to gain insight into the political sphere; most rely on TV, Twitter

or facebook for their 'info.' There is little cross-checking of this 'info' to ascertain the nuances.

I'm not hopeful.

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Reply #20 posted 04/02/21 12:07pm

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Margot said:

America is in decline. I feel much of it stems from sub-standard educational standards.

There are very Americans who speak and write well; very few read anything of substance.

There is a lack true effort expended to gain insight into the political sphere; most rely on TV, Twitter

or facebook for their 'info.' There is little cross-checking of this 'info' to ascertain the nuances.

I'm not hopeful.

which due to liberal ideals and federal government interference. In the US most kids are in public schools where most are held to the same standards and same requirements. Many schools are more worried about testing than teaching and only 1% can take an alternative assessment. But most are all on the same track and have to take the same classes. It is a one size fails all.

Conversely many other nations use a more comparative model where kids have to compete to be allowed to continue in the academic path ways to college and beyond. By the middle grades some kids are moved to lessor academic schools and classes as some are moved to the more rigorous academic classes. But most of those only use the results from the academic tracks to make comparisons to the US which has most of them all mixed together.

The irony is the medical system in the US is attacked for not being like other nations but those nations medical plans are more like the US's education system. (But I doubt many here will grasp that concept others may make up things they will be ignored)

I did not read that.
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Reply #21 posted 04/02/21 6:26pm

Margot

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Margot said:

America is in decline. I feel much of it stems from sub-standard educational standards.

There are very Americans who speak and write well; very few read anything of substance.

There is a lack true effort expended to gain insight into the political sphere; most rely on TV, Twitter

or facebook for their 'info.' There is little cross-checking of this 'info' to ascertain the nuances.

I'm not hopeful.

which due to liberal ideals and federal government interference. In the US most kids are in public schools where most are held to the same standards and same requirements. Many schools are more worried about testing than teaching and only 1% can take an alternative assessment. But most are all on the same track and have to take the same classes. It is a one size fails all.

Conversely many other nations use a more comparative model where kids have to compete to be allowed to continue in the academic path ways to college and beyond. By the middle grades some kids are moved to lessor academic schools and classes as some are moved to the more rigorous academic classes. But most of those only use the results from the academic tracks to make comparisons to the US which has most of them all mixed together.

The irony is the medical system in the US is attacked for not being like other nations but those nations medical plans are more like the US's education system. (But I doubt many here will grasp that concept others may make up things they will be ignored)

I do agree that our medical system is very sophisticated though it takes too much of our gross national product (it's super expensive), some are over-profitting, (Pharma, Big Insurance), and doesn't focus enough on prevention nor is it always equitable.

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Margot said:


America is in decline. I feel much of it stems from sub-standard educational standards.


There are very Americans who speak and write well; very few read anything of substance.


There is a lack true effort expended to gain insight into the political sphere; most rely on TV, Twitter


or facebook for their 'info.' There is little cross-checking of this 'info' to ascertain the nuances.


I'm not hopeful.





Education should be there to show people not WHAT to think, but HOW to think..,
Unfortunately, that’s really only done at college or grad level of education. This should be emphasized in grade school, and certainly by high school. But it’s not...

And I certainly think there’s a lot of iniquities in the school system. As Conservative icon Condelezza Rice once said “Tell me your zip code, and I tell you if you have access to a decent education “
#SOCIETYDEFINESU
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Reply #23 posted 04/03/21 5:06pm

Margot

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Margot said:

America is in decline. I feel much of it stems from sub-standard educational standards.

There are very Americans who speak and write well; very few read anything of substance.

There is a lack true effort expended to gain insight into the political sphere; most rely on TV, Twitter

or facebook for their 'info.' There is little cross-checking of this 'info' to ascertain the nuances.

I'm not hopeful.

Education should be there to show people not WHAT to think, but HOW to think.., Unfortunately, that’s really only done at college or grad level of education. This should be emphasized in grade school, and certainly by high school. But it’s not... And I certainly think there’s a lot of iniquities in the school system. As Conservative icon Condelezza Rice once said “Tell me your zip code, and I tell you if you have access to a decent education “

I think you mentioned attending parochial school as I did. I attended one year of parochial high school as well. The classes were arduous but I am now greatful for the experience.

After that year I attended high school in an affluent zip code in the Bay Area and was one year ahead in every subject, particularly Latin. (Did a little skating that year). It showed me that very few public schools are likely teaching @ a high level unless one is enrolled in AP or Honor's classes.

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Margot said:

America is in decline. I feel much of it stems from sub-standard educational standards.

There are very Americans who speak and write well; very few read anything of substance.

There is a lack true effort expended to gain insight into the political sphere; most rely on TV, Twitter

or facebook for their 'info.' There is little cross-checking of this 'info' to ascertain the nuances.

I'm not hopeful.


The education deficit in the country, these are unproven claims. Very few read anything of substance? Says who? Books are still published, and sold in stores, online, and are #1 for a reason. You can't believe it's all 50+ Gen Xers that are buying those books. There are unlimited resources, articles, and fact checkers online to read, too. The world is literally at anyone's fingertips. (Yet folks will gripe about somoene "always being on their phone," but have no idea what that person is doing, reading, or looking up online).

Again, out of 360M people in the U.S., you claim that "most rely on TV," and there is some great lack of effort to gain insight into anything. That's simply untrue. I suppose it's true to anyone who views MAGA people on Fox News or CNN and believe it's a fair cross section of the American population.

I'd also ask anyone who claims America is in decline: what are you doing to combat that? What are you doing to cross check facts, read more, and engage in meaningful, non-ad hominem, conversations with people who are unaware or have an opposing point of view.

It's easy to sit around and bemoan the decline of western civilization (which is what parents in the 20s, 50s, 70s, 80s, etc did and blamed music, movies, books, culture in general, etc) yet - we're all still here.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #25 posted 04/04/21 8:15am

Margot

TrivialPursuit said:

Margot said:

America is in decline. I feel much of it stems from sub-standard educational standards.

There are very Americans who speak and write well; very few read anything of substance.

There is a lack true effort expended to gain insight into the political sphere; most rely on TV, Twitter

or facebook for their 'info.' There is little cross-checking of this 'info' to ascertain the nuances.

I'm not hopeful.


The education deficit in the country, these are unproven claims. Very few read anything of substance? Says who? Books are still published, and sold in stores, online, and are #1 for a reason. You can't believe it's all 50+ Gen Xers that are buying those books. There are unlimited resources, articles, and fact checkers online to read, too. The world is literally at anyone's fingertips. (Yet folks will gripe about somoene "always being on their phone," but have no idea what that person is doing, reading, or looking up online).

Again, out of 360M people in the U.S., you claim that "most rely on TV," and there is some great lack of effort to gain insight into anything. That's simply untrue. I suppose it's true to anyone who views MAGA people on Fox News or CNN and believe it's a fair cross section of the American population.

I'd also ask anyone who claims America is in decline: what are you doing to combat that? What are you doing to cross check facts, read more, and engage in meaningful, non-ad hominem, conversations with people who are unaware or have an opposing point of view.

It's easy to sit around and bemoan the decline of western civilization (which is what parents in the 20s, 50s, 70s, 80s, etc did and blamed music, movies, books, culture in general, etc) yet - we're all still here.

One of the biggest cross-national tests is the Programme for Internation...Assessment (PISA), which every three years measures reading ability, math and science literacy and other key skills among 15-year-olds in dozens of developed and developing countries. The most recent PISA results placed the U.S. an unimpressive 38th out of 71 countries in math and 24th in science. Among the 35 members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which sponsors the PISA initiative, the U.S. ranked 30th in math and 19th in science.

The fact that a large swath of Americans were willing to listen to and believe Rush Limbaugh and vote for Donald Trump indicates a lack of critical thinking and a willingness to be led by the nose.

Personally, I don't listen to television news. It is difficult to find the truth but I do read the Economist,

Financial Times and the Wall St Journal and through those prisms attempt to locate the facts.

The 'news' outlets/publications are owned by people who have a point of view/ideology and it is important to be cognizant of the 'slant'.

[Edited 4/4/21 8:34am]

[Edited 4/4/21 10:52am]

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Reply #26 posted 04/04/21 10:58am

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2freaky4church1 said:

U have Covid Only?

Not any more! But I did find out I did get a real shot in the study...meaning I was one of the first 100K people in the US that got it.

I did not read that.
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Reply #27 posted 04/04/21 11:02am

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Margot said:

TrivialPursuit said:


The education deficit in the country, these are unproven claims. Very few read anything of substance? Says who? Books are still published, and sold in stores, online, and are #1 for a reason. You can't believe it's all 50+ Gen Xers that are buying those books. There are unlimited resources, articles, and fact checkers online to read, too. The world is literally at anyone's fingertips. (Yet folks will gripe about somoene "always being on their phone," but have no idea what that person is doing, reading, or looking up online).

Again, out of 360M people in the U.S., you claim that "most rely on TV," and there is some great lack of effort to gain insight into anything. That's simply untrue. I suppose it's true to anyone who views MAGA people on Fox News or CNN and believe it's a fair cross section of the American population.

I'd also ask anyone who claims America is in decline: what are you doing to combat that? What are you doing to cross check facts, read more, and engage in meaningful, non-ad hominem, conversations with people who are unaware or have an opposing point of view.

It's easy to sit around and bemoan the decline of western civilization (which is what parents in the 20s, 50s, 70s, 80s, etc did and blamed music, movies, books, culture in general, etc) yet - we're all still here.

One of the biggest cross-national tests is the Programme for Internation...Assessment (PISA), which every three years measures reading ability, math and science literacy and other key skills among 15-year-olds in dozens of developed and developing countries. The most recent PISA results placed the U.S. an unimpressive 38th out of 71 countries in math and 24th in science. Among the 35 members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which sponsors the PISA initiative, the U.S. ranked 30th in math and 19th in science.

The fact that a large swath of Americans were willing to listen to and believe Rush Limbaugh and vote for Donald Trump indicates a lack of critical thinking and a willingness to be led by the nose.

Personally, I don't listen to television news. It is difficult to find the truth but I do read the Economist,

Financial Times and the Wall St Journal and through those prisms attempt to locate the facts.

The 'news' outlets/publications are owned by people who have a point of view/ideology and it is important to be cognizant of the 'slant'.

Those results and thus the rankings are skewed as I said in the US they use data from 99% of all students (that is only 1% are exempt from the standard testing). In most countries that out rank the US are not near that inclusive.

I did not read that.
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Margot said:



jjhunsecker said:


Margot said:


America is in decline. I feel much of it stems from sub-standard educational standards.


There are very Americans who speak and write well; very few read anything of substance.


There is a lack true effort expended to gain insight into the political sphere; most rely on TV, Twitter


or facebook for their 'info.' There is little cross-checking of this 'info' to ascertain the nuances.


I'm not hopeful.





Education should be there to show people not WHAT to think, but HOW to think.., Unfortunately, that’s really only done at college or grad level of education. This should be emphasized in grade school, and certainly by high school. But it’s not... And I certainly think there’s a lot of iniquities in the school system. As Conservative icon Condelezza Rice once said “Tell me your zip code, and I tell you if you have access to a decent education “


I think you mentioned attending parochial school as I did. I attended one year of parochial high school as well. The classes were arduous but I am now greatful for the experience.


After that year I attended high school in an affluent zip code in the Bay Area and was one year ahead in every subject, particularly Latin. (Did a little skating that year). It showed me that very few public schools are likely teaching @ a high level unless one is enrolled in AP or Honor's classes.


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After leaving Catholic grammar school I attended a very good public high school, considered at the time a “magnet school “. It was in an almost entirely White neighborhood, and my mother, knowing the iniquities in society and the especially the school system, very wisely assessed that a school like this would have better teachers and better facilities. I received an excellent education there, both academically and socially, as I learned how to interact with different types of people. I made friendships that last to this day. Being one of the few minorities in this environment also had an ugly side: I heard the words “nigger” and “spic” pretty much every day. And there were several instances of what could be described as racially motivated confrontations and even violence, especially in the areas surrounding the school. At that time, race riots were not uncommon in the boroughs and suburbs of New York. One had to be on-guard at all times
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Reply #29 posted 04/04/21 3:18pm

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Margot said:


America is in decline. I feel much of it stems from sub-standard educational standards.


There are very Americans who speak and write well; very few read anything of substance.


There is a lack true effort expended to gain insight into the political sphere; most rely on TV, Twitter


or facebook for their 'info.' There is little cross-checking of this 'info' to ascertain the nuances.


I'm not hopeful.





I sadly agree its the same over here in the u.k
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