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Reply #240 posted 04/04/21 10:27am

Graycap23

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RJOrion said:

Graycap23 said:

Folks having an open discussion about the race of a "man" who never existed.

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LMAO...word...the epitome of organized confusion...and thats the foundation that so called "western civilization" has been built on... Order out of Chaos...the mighty Temptations once had a hit record about this very concept... "Ball Of Confusion" [Edited 4/4/21 9:51am]

I'm paying close attention 2 some folks working on Full Disclosure.

I have a feeling some major scientfic data is about 2 drop on the subject of humans, their origins and their place in the Universal world. The subject of these silly ass religions will fall by the wayside when it drops.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #241 posted 04/04/21 10:36am

RJOrion

Graycap23 said:



RJOrion said:


Graycap23 said:

Folks having an open discussion about the race of a "man" who never existed.


eek



LMAO...word...the epitome of organized confusion...and thats the foundation that so called "western civilization" has been built on... Order out of Chaos...the mighty Temptations once had a hit record about this very concept... "Ball Of Confusion" [Edited 4/4/21 9:51am]

I'm paying close attention 2 some folks working on Full Disclosure.


I have a feeling some major scientfic data is about 2 drop on the subject of humans, their origins and their place in the Universal world. The subject of these silly ass religions will fall by the wayside when it drops.




word to Kyrie Irving 😎
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Reply #242 posted 04/04/21 2:05pm

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At the end of the day:

1. If people start obsessing over what colour Jesus' skin was, they are totally missing the point and not focusing on God's actual message.

2. If you are already saved, your salvation is a done deal and God will never leave you no matter what you do for the rest of your life.

There is no such thing as walking away from Christianity for existing Christians.


Life Matters
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Reply #243 posted 04/04/21 2:24pm

IanRG

2elijah said:

IanRG said:

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In no way am I denying this. As I said previously everyone must and does question their beliefs, just as you say, as they get older. Because it is a personal choice many will choose to stay and many will choose not to stay.

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Those who choose to stay are not just doing this because of tradition, they are doing it for multiple reasons including the inspiration of the greats of the US Civil Rights movement who did this as part of their Christian faith and beliefs.

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Those who choose to leave are not just doing it because of the lies and deceptions of the slavers and those who followed as white supremacists etc - Although this and other evils done in the name of religion are perfectly justifiable reasons. Many will have left for the same reasons as everyone else: their faith did not develop from a childhood Christian upbringing to their own adult Christian belief. They, by their right and choice, developed different adult beliefs instead. I respect both decisions.

Ian, since you think you can speak for Black Americans’ views on Christianity... then have at it. Enjoy your day. [Edited 4/4/21 8:49am]

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I am sorry that you have taken my comments this way. It was not meant that way. In no way am I belittling or discounting your views and experiences.

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To point out that people who walk away from Christianity, will walk away for many reasons but the evils done in Christianity's name is a big cause is not anyone speaking for others. Equally to point out that people who, when they question, chose of their own freewill to not walk away because of the inspiration of great Black Americans who are clearly acting as Christians and stating that it was because God gave them strength, have faught for Civil Rights etc. Many of these inspriational people will be the mothers and grandmothers, fathers and grandfathers who by their goodness, perhaps only known within those who know and love them, have given life to the family traditions that prevail and let other traditions with no substance fall by the wayside.

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Reply #244 posted 04/04/21 2:39pm

RJOrion

CherryMoon57 said:

At the end of the day:



1. If people start obsessing over what colour Jesus' skin was, they are totally missing the point and not focusing on God's actual message.

2. If you are already saved, your salvation is a done deal and God will never leave you no matter what you do for the rest of your life.

There is no such thing as walking away from Christianity for existing Christians.




with all due respect, all three of those points have no basis in factual, logical or proven information... they are just concepts you hope to be true because at some point in your life, someone or something (a book?) TOLD you that it was true...like the term "saved"...saved from what?...youre still just as vulnerable to the randomness of daily existence (good or bad) as anyone else...and youre still responsible and accountable for your actions as anyone else...so what is this "salvation" you speak of?...what are you "saved" from?... how, what & where is the so called "blood of jesus" that many christians say they are "saved by" and have salvation through?...the blood of someone who allegedly existed over 2000 years ago can save someone today?...word?...where and what is this blood? ..and how can people possibly obtain and use it?...see how ridiculous this all sounds when applying sound and realistic logic?...
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Reply #245 posted 04/04/21 4:13pm

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RJOrion said:

CherryMoon57 said:

At the end of the day:

1. If people start obsessing over what colour Jesus' skin was, they are totally missing the point and not focusing on God's actual message.

2. If you are already saved, your salvation is a done deal and God will never leave you no matter what you do for the rest of your life.

There is no such thing as walking away from Christianity for existing Christians.


with all due respect, all three of those points have no basis in factual, logical or proven information... they are just concepts you hope to be true because at some point in your life, someone or something (a book?) TOLD you that it was true...like the term "saved"...saved from what?...youre still just as vulnerable to the randomness of daily existence (good or bad) as anyone else...and youre still responsible and accountable for your actions as anyone else...so what is this "salvation" you speak of?...what are you "saved" from?... how, what & where is the so called "blood of jesus" that many christians say they are "saved by" and have salvation through?...the blood of someone who allegedly existed over 2000 years ago can save someone today?...word?...where and what is this blood? ..and how can people possibly obtain and use it?...see how ridiculous this all sounds when applying sound and realistic logic?...

Who has any authority to decide what a sound and realistic logic is? You should read Job, especially the last part (God's response).

Life Matters
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Reply #246 posted 04/04/21 4:36pm

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with all due respect, all three of those points have no basis in factual, logical or proven information... they are just concepts you hope to be true because at some point in your life, someone or something (a book?) TOLD you that it was true...like the term "saved"...saved from what?...youre still just as vulnerable to the randomness of daily existence (good or bad) as anyone else...and youre still responsible and accountable for your actions as anyone else...so what is this "salvation" you speak of?...what are you "saved" from?... how, what & where is the so called "blood of jesus" that many christians say they are "saved by" and have salvation through?...the blood of someone who allegedly existed over 2000 years ago can save someone today?...word?...where and what is this blood? ..and how can people possibly obtain and use it?...see how ridiculous this all sounds when applying sound and realistic logic?...

Here, I agree with you on. Who is doing the saving, and what power do they think they have, that nobody else has, and what makes them so important?


Just like people who confess their sins to the Pastor or Father and after they do their duty they are forgiven.. forgiven by whom? The only who can forgive our Sins is God himself and if he exists he will be the final Judge.


The Pope was elected Pope, by men not by God. So why do people think he is all so powerful?

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Reply #247 posted 04/04/21 5:18pm

RJOrion

CherryMoon57 said:



RJOrion said:


CherryMoon57 said:

At the end of the day:



1. If people start obsessing over what colour Jesus' skin was, they are totally missing the point and not focusing on God's actual message.

2. If you are already saved, your salvation is a done deal and God will never leave you no matter what you do for the rest of your life.

There is no such thing as walking away from Christianity for existing Christians.




with all due respect, all three of those points have no basis in factual, logical or proven information... they are just concepts you hope to be true because at some point in your life, someone or something (a book?) TOLD you that it was true...like the term "saved"...saved from what?...youre still just as vulnerable to the randomness of daily existence (good or bad) as anyone else...and youre still responsible and accountable for your actions as anyone else...so what is this "salvation" you speak of?...what are you "saved" from?... how, what & where is the so called "blood of jesus" that many christians say they are "saved by" and have salvation through?...the blood of someone who allegedly existed over 2000 years ago can save someone today?...word?...where and what is this blood? ..and how can people possibly obtain and use it?...see how ridiculous this all sounds when applying sound and realistic logic?...

Who has any authority to decide what a sound and realistic logic is? You should read Job, especially the last part (God's response).




each one of us has that authority to discern and think for ourselves... thats why we are equipped with brains...a powerful and amazing internal organ that give each of us (in different measure) the ability to reason and think logically...when we neglect our own ability to reason and think for ourselves, and allow others to make life altering decisions for us, we are then forfeiting our own ability to make sound and logical decisions and employ rational reasoning on our own...that is the very basis and foundation of mind control...and the story of Job is one of the most blatantly fictional and universally disputed stories in the bible and is a direct contradiction of the supposed concept of God and Satan
... why would a beneficent and all powerful God even need to bargain with Satan and allow him to torment mankind?...the same Satan/Lucifer that was allegedly banished from God's kingdom as being the personification of evil and deceit?...when did those two reconcile to get together to allegedly test humankind as such?... it all goes against common sense and reality... using sound logic and innate intelligence would surely lead most intelligent people to the same conclusion
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Reply #248 posted 04/04/21 5:26pm

IanRG

PennyPurple said:

RJOrion said:

with all due respect, all three of those points have no basis in factual, logical or proven information... they are just concepts you hope to be true because at some point in your life, someone or something (a book?) TOLD you that it was true...like the term "saved"...saved from what?...youre still just as vulnerable to the randomness of daily existence (good or bad) as anyone else...and youre still responsible and accountable for your actions as anyone else...so what is this "salvation" you speak of?...what are you "saved" from?... how, what & where is the so called "blood of jesus" that many christians say they are "saved by" and have salvation through?...the blood of someone who allegedly existed over 2000 years ago can save someone today?...word?...where and what is this blood? ..and how can people possibly obtain and use it?...see how ridiculous this all sounds when applying sound and realistic logic?...

Here, I agree with you on. Who is doing the saving, and what power do they think they have, that nobody else has, and what makes them so important?


Just like people who confess their sins to the Pastor or Father and after they do their duty they are forgiven.. forgiven by whom? The only who can forgive our Sins is God himself and if he exists he will be the final Judge.


The Pope was elected Pope, by men not by God. So why do people think he is all so powerful?

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All these answers are as by belief - they are not proofs and this is not meant to be taken as something I expect anyone to believe who does not already believe or may come to believe.

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Who is doing the saving: No one but Jesus.

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What power do they think they have that nobody else has: The power of God.

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What makes them so important: Jesus is the Son of God.

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No one confesses sins to a Priest but you can confess your sins through a Priest. Whether you confess you sins privately through a Priest or silently during a Service or Mass or in your prayers you are confessing this to God.

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Forgiven by whom: As you say, only by God.

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The Pope is elected by a Council including God, the Holy Spirit in line with the election of Matthias as the replacement for Judas (Acts 1:26).

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The Pope is only as powerful in the same way as the CEO of public company or the elected leader of a government. Theologically he is Successor of St Peter who was asked by Jesus to look after his Church and people for him. One of his titles is the servant of the servants of God.

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Reply #249 posted 04/04/21 5:44pm

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IanRG said:

PennyPurple said:

Here, I agree with you on. Who is doing the saving, and what power do they think they have, that nobody else has, and what makes them so important?


Just like people who confess their sins to the Pastor or Father and after they do their duty they are forgiven.. forgiven by whom? The only who can forgive our Sins is God himself and if he exists he will be the final Judge.


The Pope was elected Pope, by men not by God. So why do people think he is all so powerful?

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All these answers are as by belief - they are not proofs and this is not meant to be taken as something I expect anyone to believe who does not already believe or may come to believe.

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Who is doing the saving: No one but Jesus.

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What power do they think they have that nobody else has: The power of God.

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What makes them so important: Jesus is the Son of God.

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No one confesses sins to a Priest but you can confess your sins through a Priest. Whether you confess you sins privately through a Priest or silently during a Service or Mass or in your prayers you are confessing this to God.

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Forgiven by whom: As you say, only by God.

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The Pope is elected by a Council including God, the Holy Spirit in line with the election of Matthias as the replacement for Judas (Acts 1:26).

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The Pope is only as powerful in the same way as the CEO of public company or the elected leader of a government. Theologically he is Successor of St Peter who was asked by Jesus to look after his Church and people for him. One of his titles is the servant of the servants of God.

But the Pope isn't elected by God, he is elected by men.


The only one I need to confess to is God, but I really don't need to confess because he knows it all, already, one just needs to own up to it.


Somebody sprinkles water on the face, or dunks one in a river and thinks they are saved. To me that doesn't mean that they are saved. Jesus isn't saving me by having someone dunk my head.


Why does one feel the need to confess to a Priest, when all they really have to do is cut out the middle man and confess to God?


I am not Catholic, but I've been to a Catholic Church more than I've been to my family's Baptist Church. I went to Church with my neighborhood friends and their family every week. So I know just a little tiny bit about the Catholic Church.


I have my own relationship with the Lord, I don't need all these middle men telling me to confess or that I need to be saved by them. When I believe that the only person I have to go before is the Lord.


Just because 1 goes to Church, doesn't mean they are holier than those who don't.

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Reply #250 posted 04/04/21 6:41pm

IanRG

PennyPurple said:

IanRG said:

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All these answers are as by belief - they are not proofs and this is not meant to be taken as something I expect anyone to believe who does not already believe or may come to believe.

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Who is doing the saving: No one but Jesus.

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What power do they think they have that nobody else has: The power of God.

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What makes them so important: Jesus is the Son of God.

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No one confesses sins to a Priest but you can confess your sins through a Priest. Whether you confess you sins privately through a Priest or silently during a Service or Mass or in your prayers you are confessing this to God.

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Forgiven by whom: As you say, only by God.

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The Pope is elected by a Council including God, the Holy Spirit in line with the election of Matthias as the replacement for Judas (Acts 1:26).

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The Pope is only as powerful in the same way as the CEO of public company or the elected leader of a government. Theologically he is Successor of St Peter who was asked by Jesus to look after his Church and people for him. One of his titles is the servant of the servants of God.

But the Pope isn't elected by God, he is elected by men.


The only one I need to confess to is God, but I really don't need to confess because he knows it all, already, one just needs to own up to it.


Somebody sprinkles water on the face, or dunks one in a river and thinks they are saved. To me that doesn't mean that they are saved. Jesus isn't saving me by having someone dunk my head.


Why does one feel the need to confess to a Priest, when all they really have to do is cut out the middle man and confess to God?


I am not Catholic, but I've been to a Catholic Church more than I've been to my family's Baptist Church. I went to Church with my neighborhood friends and their family every week. So I know just a little tiny bit about the Catholic Church.


I have my own relationship with the Lord, I don't need all these middle men telling me to confess or that I need to be saved by them. When I believe that the only person I have to go before is the Lord.


Just because 1 goes to Church, doesn't mean they are holier than those who don't.

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The Pope is elected by people guided by God, the Holy Spirit. This is as per the election of Matthias and as per the description of the first Council in the Bible.

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Being baptised does not mean you are saved. It is Sacramental blessing that welcomes you into the Church, a step along the most direct path to being saved - but Jesus when specifically asked about who can be saved says "for God, all things are possible" (Matt 19:26). We have just celebrated the process by which we are saved by Jesus - It was not by baptism, but by Jesus' Death and Resurrection. In this He took on all of our sins and in doing so we can be saved by accepting this forgiveness in our heart and mind and seeking to do our best by seeking to always take the high road.

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As a person who joined the Church in my teens not having been brought up as a Christian and only became Catholic in my late 20s, I personally have only done confession 3 times through, not to a Priest. I have mostly been more comfortable "cutting out the middleman". The key distinction between private confession through a Priest and general public confession through a Mass or Prayer is not that the Priest has any power to save or forgive but that it reflects different levels of contrition accepted by the sinner for their sins.

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Yes, I whole heartedly believe that holiness is not determined by attendance or non-attendance. I believe that Matthew 19:26 applies without limit. I have good friends and family in Myanmar of which only one is Christian and good friends who are followers of other religions or are non-beleivers. If I am lucky enough to make it to heaven, I fully expect to see these people there.

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Reply #251 posted 04/04/21 6:50pm

RJOrion

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Reply #252 posted 04/04/21 6:52pm

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RJOrion said:

Prince GIF | Gfycat

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Your miss use of this image shames you. Prince was a very religious person with a strong faith in God.

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Reply #253 posted 04/04/21 6:53pm

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IanRG said:

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The Pope is elected by people guided by God, the Holy Spirit. This is as per the election of Matthias and as per the description of the first Council in the Bible.

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If u wonder why I bowed out of this CON-versation, I give u: exhibit A.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #254 posted 04/04/21 7:03pm

IanRG

Graycap23 said:

IanRG said:

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The Pope is elected by people guided by God, the Holy Spirit. This is as per the election of Matthias and as per the description of the first Council in the Bible.

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If u wonder why I bowed out of this CON-versation, I give u: exhibit A.

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I introduced this discussion with "All these answers are as by belief - they are not proofs and this is not meant to be taken as something I expect anyone to believe who does not already believe or may come to believe."

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What you believe about UFOs, ancient Sumerian gods being real and full disclosure conspiracy theories were never presented with any equivalent statement - But those evangelising these stories really should have.

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Reply #255 posted 04/04/21 7:19pm

RJOrion

IanRG said:

RJOrion said:

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Your miss use of this image shames you. Prince was a very religious person with a strong faith in God.

if that is indeed true, and if Prince was indeed a Trinitarian Christian (he wasnt), just where did it get him in the end?? he died as a lonely malnourished, suffering, sickly man, all alone in an elevator...no friends, no wife, no children, bearing no fruit, having no will and TESTAMENT (allegedly), with his glorious hard earned musical legacy and finances in shambles...his hard earned possessions and artifacts being fought over by vultures and opportunistic lawyers and bankers and recording industry sharks...is that what the religion you claim he "practiced" did for his amazing soul?...LOL...you can keep your faux salvation if thats the fruit it bears...

and the gif i used was extremely well placed and highly appropriate, because when Prince Rogers Nelson was alive and well, he didnt suffer FOOLS

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Reply #256 posted 04/04/21 7:29pm

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IanRG said:

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The Pope is elected by people guided by God, the Holy Spirit. This is as per the election of Matthias and as per the description of the first Council in the Bible.

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If u wonder why I bowed out of this CON-versation, I give u: exhibit A.

Goodness sakes, Ian was replying to me and I to him.


Sorry Ian, next time I'll just talk to you personally and cut out these middle men. wink

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Reply #257 posted 04/04/21 7:34pm

IanRG

RJOrion said:

IanRG said:

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Your miss use of this image shames you. Prince was a very religious person with a strong faith in God.

if that is indeed true, and if Prince was indeed a Trinitarian Christian (he wasnt), just where did it get him in the end?? he died as a lonely malnourished, suffering, sickly man, all alone in an elevator...no friends, no wife, no children, bearing no fruit, having no will and TESTAMENT (allegedly), with his glorious hard earned musical legacy and finances in shambles...his hard earned possessions and artifacts being fought over by vultures and opportunistic lawyers and bankers and recording industry sharks...is that what the religion you claim he "practiced" did for his amzing soul?...LOL...you can keep your faux salvation if thats the fruit it bears...

and the gif i used was extremely ell placed and highly appropriate, because when Prince Rogers Nelson was alive and well, he didnt suffer FOOLS

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Prince was a Christian who only became solidly non-Trinitarian as a result of his conversion to JW following the death of his child and the influence of Larry Graham. It was only after this that he wrote 1+1+1 is 3 and changed to singing Christ instead of the Cross.

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You are making things up about what Prince would say about fellow Christians. However we know that Prince hated this site because of responses like the one you made here.

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Reply #258 posted 04/04/21 7:54pm

RJOrion

IanRG said:



RJOrion said:




IanRG said:



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Your miss use of this image shames you. Prince was a very religious person with a strong faith in God.




if that is indeed true, and if Prince was indeed a Trinitarian Christian (he wasnt), just where did it get him in the end?? he died as a lonely malnourished, suffering, sickly man, all alone in an elevator...no friends, no wife, no children, bearing no fruit, having no will and TESTAMENT (allegedly), with his glorious hard earned musical legacy and finances in shambles...his hard earned possessions and artifacts being fought over by vultures and opportunistic lawyers and bankers and recording industry sharks...is that what the religion you claim he "practiced" did for his amzing soul?...LOL...you can keep your faux salvation if thats the fruit it bears...



and the gif i used was extremely ell placed and highly appropriate, because when Prince Rogers Nelson was alive and well, he didnt suffer FOOLS



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Prince was a Christian who only became solidly non-Trinitarian as a result of his conversion to JW following the death of his child and the influence of Larry Graham. It was only after this that he wrote 1+1+1 is 3 and changed to singing Christ instead of the Cross.


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You are making things up about what Prince would say about fellow Christians. However we know that Prince hated this site because of responses like the one you made here.



you dont know what Prince hated or liked or believed, because you didnt know him personally ...at all..and everything i said in my preceding comment was the truth ...gifs included...why dont you just gracefully bow out?...if you dared to go back and read your rambling comments full of jibberish, fallacies and overt confusion, and followed that with a long honest look in the mirror...you would probably never comment here again about "Black" people and/or their spiritual journeys...or even religion in general... no one believes you or your rhetoric...well maybe one or two might...but theyre not black either...the best of us walk away from, and denounce the foolishness and brainwashing
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Reply #259 posted 04/04/21 8:02pm

RJOrion

you say im making things up about what Prince would "say about fellow Christians"...so show me where i said what he would "say about fellow christians"...you cant because i never did...see how confused and dishonest you are?..

i present Exhibit B...more lies, confusion and lack of understanding on your part...you are truly embarrassing yourself with these exhibits...you might wanna take a recess..a long one
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Reply #260 posted 04/04/21 8:15pm

IanRG

IanRG said:

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Prince was a Christian who only became solidly non-Trinitarian as a result of his conversion to JW following the death of his child and the influence of Larry Graham. It was only after this that he wrote 1+1+1 is 3 and changed to singing Christ instead of the Cross.

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You are making things up about what Prince would say about fellow Christians. However we know that Prince hated this site because of responses like the one you made here.

RJOrion said:

you dont know what Prince hated or liked or believed, because you didnt know him personally. ...

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you say im making things up about what Prince would "say about fellow Christians"...so show me where i said what he would "say about fellow christians"...you cant because i never did...see how confused and dishonest you are?.. i present Exhibit B...more lies, confusion and lack of understanding on your part...you are truly embarrassing yourself with these exhibits...you might wanna take a recess..a long one

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You come to Prince fan site to trash him and his beliefs making up that he would agree with you that HIS faith was a mere result of brainwashing and followed by fools.

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I defend Prince based on his words, songs and publicly stated beliefs and you post this crap.

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A question I have asked since I came here is why, oh why is Prince.org so full of Prince haters?

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PS you made up what Prince thinks about fellow Christians by saying "the gif i used was extremely ell placed and highly appropriate, because when Prince Rogers Nelson was alive and well, he didnt suffer FOOLS" in direct response to a statement of Christian beliefs. In this you trashed his life and death and accused him of getting nothing from his beliefs.

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Reply #261 posted 04/04/21 8:39pm

RJOrion

IanRG said:




IanRG said:


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Prince was a Christian who only became solidly non-Trinitarian as a result of his conversion to JW following the death of his child and the influence of Larry Graham. It was only after this that he wrote 1+1+1 is 3 and changed to singing Christ instead of the Cross.


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You are making things up about what Prince would say about fellow Christians. However we know that Prince hated this site because of responses like the one you made here.



RJOrion said:


you dont know what Prince hated or liked or believed, because you didnt know him personally. ...


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you say im making things up about what Prince would "say about fellow Christians"...so show me where i said what he would "say about fellow christians"...you cant because i never did...see how confused and dishonest you are?.. i present Exhibit B...more lies, confusion and lack of understanding on your part...you are truly embarrassing yourself with these exhibits...you might wanna take a recess..a long one



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You come to Prince fan site to trash him and his beliefs making up that he would agree with you that HIS faith was a mere result of brainwashing and followed by fools.


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I defend Prince based on his words, songs and publicly stated beliefs and you post this crap.


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A question I have asked since I came here is why, oh why is Prince.org so full of Prince haters?


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PS you made up what Prince thinks about fellow Christians by saying "the gif i used was extremely ell placed and highly appropriate, because when Prince Rogers Nelson was alive and well, he didnt suffer FOOLS" in direct response to a statement of Christian beliefs. In this you trashed his life and death and accused him of getting nothing from his beliefs.



if this is such a "site full of haters" that "prince hated", then WHY ARE U HERE??... you have become completely mentally unstable in this thread...i didnt say any of what you said i said at all...all i said is Prince didnt suffer fools ...that had nothing to do with christianity and everything to do with you..and i certainly didnt "trash his life" i stated the facts that were reported at the time of his death...so since youve clearly lost of control of your mental (and spiritual) faculties, ima leave you alone...wow, you're lost...
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Reply #262 posted 04/04/21 9:02pm

IanRG

RJOrion said:

IanRG said:

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You come to Prince fan site to trash him and his beliefs making up that he would agree with you that HIS faith was a mere result of brainwashing and followed by fools.

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I defend Prince based on his words, songs and publicly stated beliefs and you post this crap.

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A question I have asked since I came here is why, oh why is Prince.org so full of Prince haters?

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PS you made up what Prince thinks about fellow Christians by saying "the gif i used was extremely ell placed and highly appropriate, because when Prince Rogers Nelson was alive and well, he didnt suffer FOOLS" in direct response to a statement of Christian beliefs. In this you trashed his life and death and accused him of getting nothing from his beliefs.

if this is such a "site full of haters" that "prince hated", then WHY ARE U HERE??...

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Because there were many who do not have the same Prince hatred you just demonstrated.

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The more important question is, given how you feel about Prince, why are you here?

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Reply #263 posted 04/04/21 9:18pm

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I will thank UptownNY for sharing his views and bringing to light, this topic though. Graycap23, remind me to never participate on a thread about religion, in this forum again. whew lol Time to turn on the ‘ignore’ switch on that matter. [Edited 4/4/21 8:42am]

You're welcome. biggrin

Funny thing is, my current gf is the complete opposite of me on this subject. Her faith is very important to her, but we get along fine....she has her view on christianity, I have mine, and we don't step on each other.

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Reply #264 posted 04/05/21 5:27am

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2elijah said:


I will thank UptownNY for sharing his views and bringing to light, this topic though. Graycap23, remind me to never participate on a thread about religion, in this forum again. whew lol Time to turn on the ‘ignore’ switch on that matter. [Edited 4/4/21 8:42am]


You're welcome. biggrin



Funny thing is, my current gf is the complete opposite of me on this subject. Her faith is very important to her, but we get along fine....she has her view on christianity, I have mine, and we don't step on each other.


Wow, I respect that. It’s nice that you both respect one another’s beliefs, and don’t belittle/dismiss/disrespect it, because you have different views on it.
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Reply #265 posted 04/05/21 7:19am

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2Elijah, what are your beliefts?

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #266 posted 04/05/21 3:18pm

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CherryMoon57 said:

Who has any authority to decide what a sound and realistic logic is? You should read Job, especially the last part (God's response).

each one of us has that authority to discern and think for ourselves... thats why we are equipped with brains...a powerful and amazing internal organ that give each of us (in different measure) the ability to reason and think logically...when we neglect our own ability to reason and think for ourselves, and allow others to make life altering decisions for us, we are then forfeiting our own ability to make sound and logical decisions and employ rational reasoning on our own...that is the very basis and foundation of mind control...and the story of Job is one of the most blatantly fictional and universally disputed stories in the bible and is a direct contradiction of the supposed concept of God and Satan ... why would a beneficent and all powerful God even need to bargain with Satan and allow him to torment mankind?...the same Satan/Lucifer that was allegedly banished from God's kingdom as being the personification of evil and deceit?...when did those two reconcile to get together to allegedly test humankind as such?... it all goes against common sense and reality... using sound logic and innate intelligence would surely lead most intelligent people to the same conclusion

I completely agree ; discernment is a good thing to have and I know from a lot of your posts that you have a very independent and critical mind. This is a very important quality that you do need to preserve. I believe God has equipped all of us with the tools to not only discern but also to understand what it is He has to offer us. As for Satan in the Bible, yes he represents evil, deceit but also temptation and sin, and as you very well know evil and sin have invaded our world so this is not fictional. As for your questions regarding the book of Job, and God's authority vs Satan, here is the full explanation: https://unlockingthebible...-or-satan/

I found this useful too: https://www.blueletterbib...art_90.cfm

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Reply #267 posted 04/05/21 3:26pm

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IanRG said:

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Your miss use of this image shames you. Prince was a very religious person with a strong faith in God.

if that is indeed true, and if Prince was indeed a Trinitarian Christian (he wasnt), just where did it get him in the end?? he died as a lonely malnourished, suffering, sickly man, all alone in an elevator...no friends, no wife, no children, bearing no fruit, having no will and TESTAMENT (allegedly), with his glorious hard earned musical legacy and finances in shambles...his hard earned possessions and artifacts being fought over by vultures and opportunistic lawyers and bankers and recording industry sharks...is that what the religion you claim he "practiced" did for his amazing soul?...LOL...you can keep your faux salvation if thats the fruit it bears...

and the gif i used was extremely well placed and highly appropriate, because when Prince Rogers Nelson was alive and well, he didnt suffer FOOLS

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Just because Prince's body and material possessions weren't at the top. doesn't mean his soul wasn't. We all die one day and all we have big or small has to stay behind. Money has no value in heaven. Prince certainly knew this.

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Reply #268 posted 04/06/21 12:36pm

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2elijah said:

I will thank UptownNY for sharing his views and bringing to light, this topic though. Graycap23, remind me to never participate on a thread about religion, in this forum again. whew lol Time to turn on the ‘ignore’ switch on that matter. [Edited 4/4/21 8:42am]

You're welcome. biggrin

Funny thing is, my current gf is the complete opposite of me on this subject. Her faith is very important to her, but we get along fine....she has her view on christianity, I have mine, and we don't step on each other.

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That is great. As we have all agreed, being able to question beliefs is important, so I hope that you can discuss your different beliefs together as equals.

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To that end, I trust that you would never seek to dismiss her beliefs as being a result of brainwashing or merely because her mother and grandmother passed on a family tradition. I trust that she would never seek to consider you as without morals etc.

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Differences in religion and politics is a minefield but, with love and respect, there is always a path through

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Reply #269 posted 04/06/21 12:55pm

uPtoWnNY

IanRG said:

uPtoWnNY said:

You're welcome. biggrin

Funny thing is, my current gf is the complete opposite of me on this subject. Her faith is very important to her, but we get along fine....she has her view on christianity, I have mine, and we don't step on each other.

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That is great. As we have all agreed, being able to question beliefs is important, so I hope that you can discuss your different beliefs together as equals.

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To that end, I trust that you would never seek to dismiss her beliefs as being a result of brainwashing or merely because her mother and grandmother passed on a family tradition. I trust that she would never seek to consider you as without morals etc.

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Differences in religion and politics is a minefield but, with love and respect, there is always a path through

She jokes that when she prays, she does it for both of us. I'm like, whatever floats your boat.

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