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Reply #150 posted 03/27/21 5:02pm

IanRG

2elijah said:

CherryMoon57 said:

But let's not confuse evilness with God's actual message. That some have distorted Christianity to exert control over others should not become a reason to discard the original message. That would be like someone blaming a recipe book when they simply ignored all the instructions and the result was a failure. As for persecutions, many Christians are currently persecuted in many parts of the World. 'Evilness' can be found anywhere.

There is no ‘confusion’. Again like I stated clearly in my previous post, how many used Christianity and took its message to manipulate/destroy, and it is often used to judge/create fear/impose guilt on those who choose not to embrace Christianity/its message. Also, I previously mentioned how many people around the world are persecuted because of refusal to embrace specific, religious beliefs including Christianity. No one should be forced to do so.

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And specific non-religious beliefs.

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No one should be forced to believe anything or persecuted for not believing something. All misuse of beliefs for economic, political and ideological gain or for greed and power reasons should be condemned.

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This is not directed at you, but the only people in this thread who are seeking to evangelise their beliefs on others for their own political or ideological purposes are not the Christians. We, be it by religion, by gender, by race, by class, by nation, political group etc etc all have a past that we should be ashamed of and be proud of. Whatever we do, we should seek to be better and we should address, forgive but never forget the evil done in our name or even by us.

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Reply #151 posted 03/27/21 5:05pm

2elijah

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uPtoWnNY said:



I recently found this wonderful book from J.L. Ford. This brother sounds like me nearly 40 years ago, when I started to question things after studying history in depth. He doesn't bash christianity or its followers...he just offers explanations as to why it doesn't work to the benefit of black people. These quotes nail it;

"When pictures of a white-savior god hang on the walls of black chrches and homes, who does that benefit?

"When the most atrocious acts are done to us (Charleston, SC church massacre), we pray for comfort, and then we tell the ones who hate us that, if they just ask god for forgiveness, they can still find a place in heaven right along the same people they harmed."

Great stuff



J.L.Ford may encourage Christians to question Christianity, but according to his YouTube channel, he himself follows the teachings of Louis Farrakhan. eek


I don’t see what that has to do with his views on Christianity, and just to note I’m no fan/supporter of Farrakhan.

Fact is, there are many people who just don’t embrace Christianity.
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Reply #152 posted 03/27/21 5:17pm

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2elijah said:

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J.L.Ford may encourage Christians to question Christianity, but according to his YouTube channel, he himself follows the teachings of Louis Farrakhan. eek

I don’t see what that has to do with his views on Christianity, and just to note I’m no fan/supporter of Farrakhan. Fact is, there are many people who just don’t embrace Christianity. [Edited 3/27/21 17:07pm]

Actually, it could well be the reason for his changed views on Christianity.

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Reply #153 posted 03/27/21 5:36pm

IanRG

RJOrion said:

i mean i dont know what country YOURE from...but in America its taught at the elementary school level that the English language is derived from Latin...how anyone can deny or dispute that is idiotic...some of the damn words are still spelled with their latin roots....you poor thing...you gon' learn today....or, not

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Look it up. It is not.

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To cut and paste once more:

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English language - Wikipedia "English is a West Germanic language first spoken in early medieval England, which has eventually become the leading language of international discourse in the 21st century.[3][4][5] It is named after the Angles, one of the ancient Germanic peoples that migrated to the area of Great Britain that later took their name, England. Both names derive from Anglia, a peninsula on the Baltic Sea. English is most closely related to Frisian and Low Saxon, while its vocabulary has been significantly influenced by other Germanic languages, particularly Old Norse (a North Germanic language), as well as Latin and French.[6][7][8]".

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This bit s not a cut and paste: Every language despite its roots has borrowed words and English does have some borrowed words with Latin roots. Son and Sun are NOT two of them. The Neo-Latin or Romance languages are Italian, French, Spanish, Portugese. My wife's great grandmother spoke Romansh, the last surviving Latin in common usage outside of Scientific names etc. The Germanic, Slavic, Baltic and Nordic languages are not Latin based Romance languages.

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Sun is NOT from the Latin Sol or Solaris.

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Son is NOT from the Latin Filius or Filios.

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And think about: To believe that people who spoke Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek were sitting around thinking that in more than 1,500 years a future king of some islands 2,000 miles away will commission the translation of what we will write in Greek about our new religion and they will have a homonym of son and sun, so we better base our religion on an Egyptian religion.

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Reply #154 posted 03/27/21 5:47pm

RJOrion

oh boy...more foolishness and gibberish...from that All Knowing source of Wisdom, called Wikipedia (LMAO)...again...bless your heart and let it go...you and your alleged wikipedia source are wrong... and any linguistic scholar worth their weight in gold would concur... im asking you again, nicely...please stop...the thread is about Blacks walking/running away from Christianity...not whether or not Sol/SOUL/Sun/son are connected or synonymous literally, figuratively or spiritually...youve gone far astray... but youre unwittingly continuing to prove my points, and indirectly proving the OPs point
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Reply #155 posted 03/27/21 6:00pm

IanRG

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IanRG said:

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I have only made two copy and pastes: One to show you that you are wrong about English being modern Latin. YOU said try google, I did and I posted the first response that confirmed your belief is in error. The only other cut and paste where I showed your lie when you falsely claimed I said the Sumerians did not exist - I never said that and I cut and pasted proof that I said opposite and you were lying.

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Every single thing I said in this post is verifiably accurate.

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Please have the integrity to actually address what I said. Take one point and actually address it, if you can. Otherwise, just reflect on why you need to reply as you do whenever you cannor address a comment made in reply to your assertions.

now youre just lying...i never said english was "modern latin" ...i said it was derived from Latin...if you dont accept that, youre being a total fool in denial..."About 80 percent of the entries in any English dictionary are borrowed, mainly from Latin. Over 60 percent of all English words have Greek or Latin roots. In the vocabulary of the sciences and technology, the figure rises to over 90 percent." "English (and most other Western-European languages) adopted many words from Latin and Greek throughout history, because especially Latin was the Lingua Franca all through Antiquity, the Middle Ages, the Renaissance, and later." now THATS how you copy and paste, EFFECTIVELY please stop making a fool of yourself...its not cute at all

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Personal attacks merely reveal you weakness. No lying by me - you said it is derived from Latin. Firstly this means it is modern Latin or Romance language - it is not.

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You are now confusing where it borrowed words from with what the language it is derived from. It is derived from Germanic languages not Romance languages.

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Two words that are NOT borrowed from Latin are son and sun.

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When you don't understand what you talking about, you may just cut and paste from a short article in Dictionary.com or places that have borrowed from this.

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When you look at it in more detail you will find that the number of Latin based words in Old English is only about 140 words. One Hundred and Forty. None of these is Son or Sun.

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Most of the Latin derived words in English did not come directly from Latin - they came primarily through French but from Spanish and Portugese etc. Many of the Latin words are just the Latin adopted versions of Greek words. We do not refer the sun as sol (except in astro-physics eg the Solar System). We do not refer to our male children as our Fillius or Fillios.

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Is word count in a dictionary even a relevant measure: "However, a significant portion of the English word hoard comes from Romance and Latinate sources. Estimates of native words (derived from Old English) range from 20%–33%, with the rest made up of foreign borrowings. (These estimates, however, are based on the total raw counts of dictionary entries, where the frequency of use for most non-native words is low to nil." Counts of words in common use show that when we speak 75% to 90% of our words are Native English words. This is a mix of Old, Middle and new English words. Two of these are son and sun.

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Reply #156 posted 03/27/21 6:04pm

IanRG

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oh boy...more foolishness and gibberish...from that All Knowing source of Wisdom, called Wikipedia (LMAO)...again...bless your heart and let it go...you and your alleged wikipedia source are wrong... and any linguistic scholar worth their weight in gold would concur... im asking you again, nicely...please stop...the thread is about Blacks walking/running away from Christianity...not whether or not Sol/SOUL/Sun/son are connected or synonymous literally, figuratively or spiritually...youve gone far astray... but youre unwittingly continuing to prove my points, and indirectly proving the OPs point [Edited 3/27/21 17:48pm]

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Wrong - there is no connection between the Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic or Eqyption for son and sun. The assumed confusion based on the words being homonyms in English words from its Germanic orgin is a beginner's error. You keep on proving your points are wrong.

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Reply #157 posted 03/27/21 6:11pm

RJOrion

good night, Ian...im watching the Knicks game now...im done here...i have nothing more to say on this matter to you...you believe and think as you wish...Im just so glad that as so called "black people", we are experiencing a gradual spiritual awakening, and freeing ourselves from the spiritual bondage of the European slavemasters' version of Christianity, and their biased and predjudiced take on world history in general...you can continue to seek wisdom and salvation through Wikipedia & King James and Constantine I...those are YOUR people
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Reply #158 posted 03/27/21 6:34pm

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CherryMoon57 said:



2elijah said:


CherryMoon57 said:



J.L.Ford may encourage Christians to question Christianity, but according to his YouTube channel, he himself follows the teachings of Louis Farrakhan. eek



I don’t see what that has to do with his views on Christianity, and just to note I’m no fan/supporter of Farrakhan. Fact is, there are many people who just don’t embrace Christianity. [Edited 3/27/21 17:07pm]

Actually, it could well be the reason for his changed views on Christianity.


Doesn’t take away the truth about how Christianity has been used to manipulate many, and why some have chosen to question/walk away from it. At the end of the day, it’s a personal choice.
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Reply #159 posted 03/27/21 7:03pm

IanRG

RJOrion said:

not whether or not Sol/SOUL/Sun/son are connected or synonymous literally, figuratively or spiritually

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YOU are one who raised this sidebar to join with GrayCap's offtopic diversion. YOU are the one got this so very wrong with a beginner's error.

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YOUR error is right here again for all to see.

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They are not synonyms (different words that mean the same thing eg son and fillius). Look back, but this time read what I said with your dictionary.com open to look up what the words you don't understand mean. You will see I always said homonyms (words that mean different things but are pronounced the same eg sun and son). It was you who said that because the words sun and son sound the same this indicates that Christianity is based on an Egyptian religion. I said this is only in English and YOU started this back and forth.

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This backdown is because your argument in this back and forth is not a sustainable argument: To be clear, it is a beginner's error to think the similar sound of son and sun (and now soul and sol) in English shows a religion's roots.

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Oh and on words listed vs words used:

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"The Second Edition of the Oxford English Dictionary contains full entries for 171,476 words in current use, and 47,156 obsolete words. To this may be added around 9,500 derivative words included as subentries, bringing the total to 228,132. Subtracting the archaic words leaves us with about 180,976 current words.

Over half of these words are nouns, about a quarter adjectives, and about a seventh verbs; the rest is made up of interjections, conjunctions, prepositions, suffixes, etc. These figures take no account of entries with senses for different parts of speech (such as noun and adjective, like alternative, or preposition and conjunction, like before and after).

Only 25% of the words in the English language are of native origin. Here is a list of the languages from which most of the remainder were borrowed from.

  • Latin, including modern scientific and technical Latin: 28.24%
  • French, including Old French and early Anglo-French: 28.3%
  • Old and Middle English, Old Norse, and Dutch: 25%
  • Greek: 5.32%
  • No etymology given: 4.03%
  • Derived from proper names: 3.28%
  • All other languages contributed less than 1%"

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Against this, the average voculary used by people that speak English as a first language in (generally) English speaking nations is 20,000 words. This means that on average we only use 8% to 11%of the language. Given between 75% and 90% percent of words as used are native English words (Like sun, son and Soul), many of the words borrowed from Latin are going to be in the not used much if at all category. Note: Direct Latin is only 28.2% and much of that is modern scientific and technical Latin - everytime someone refers to an plant or animal or medicine by a colloquial name rather than their scientific name, they are not using the modern scientific or technical Latin name. None of this means that English is not derived from and part of the Germanic languages.

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PS You are adding to your errors: Soul is from Old English "Sawl" whist the Latin word for Soul is "anima", "animus", "anima mea". Once again, mere homonyms, not synonyms.

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Reply #160 posted 03/27/21 7:14pm

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RJOrion said:

good night, Ian...im watching the Knicks game now...im done here...i have nothing more to say on this matter to you...you believe and think as you wish...Im just so glad that as so called "black people", we are experiencing a gradual spiritual awakening, and freeing ourselves from the spiritual bondage of the European slavemasters' version of Christianity, and their biased and predjudiced take on world history in general...you can continue to seek wisdom and salvation through Wikipedia & King James and Constantine I...those are YOUR people

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Reply #161 posted 03/27/21 7:19pm

IanRG

2elijah said:

CherryMoon57 said:

Actually, it could well be the reason for his changed views on Christianity.

Doesn’t take away the truth about how Christianity has been used to manipulate many, and why some have chosen to question/walk away from it. At the end of the day, it’s a personal choice. [Edited 3/27/21 19:01pm]

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And some have questioned and not walked away, but chosen to follow the inspiration and examples of all the great people that have used their Christianity better.

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But, yes the evil acts by Christians are doubly evil (assuming Christians are right in their belief about God) because everyone who walks away as a result of these evils is inpart on the heads of the person or people that did those evil acts. This is why I was so appalled at the Anglican Bishop who knew and did nothing about the people in my area who were sexually assaulted by his clergy (including me). To see him lie to the Royal Commission on childhood sexual abuse by institutions even when he was so advanced in years and on verge of what he believes will be his Judgement made no sense and it does cause people to question.

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Reply #162 posted 03/28/21 1:58am

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2elijah said:

CherryMoon57 said:

Actually, it could well be the reason for his changed views on Christianity.

Doesn’t take away the truth about how Christianity has been used to manipulate many, and why some have chosen to question/walk away from it. At the end of the day, it’s a personal choice. [Edited 3/27/21 19:01pm]

Yes, very much so. Also, let's bear in mind that the kind of sick people who wish to manipulate others will use anything to get to their ends, preying on the weak and vulnerable. However that does not take away the fact that the majority of Christian people and organisations are good sincere people and that many have been doing amazing things for others around the world - often through extremely difficult conditions - so let's not tarnish the picture unecessarily.

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Reply #163 posted 03/28/21 2:05am

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RJ did have a point though, happy sun day everyone!

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Reply #164 posted 03/28/21 5:11am

IanRG

CherryMoon57 said:

RJ did have a point though, happy sun day everyone!

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Haha - be careful, RJ does not need to be more confused about son and sun!!!

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Reply #165 posted 03/28/21 2:24pm

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People (not just Blacks) should walk away from Christianity not because of what they may or may not stand to gain from doing so, but because Christianity is a superstition. Jesus was a failed doomsday preacher who stayed dead. If people find comfort in the story on a metaphorical / purely emotional level, that's fine. But it's superstitious to believe literally that one can converse via prayer and 'scripture' with a 1st century Jewish apocalyptic preacher who was raised from the dead in a super-physical immortal bodily state that then conveniently had to go back to heaven.

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Your unproven assertion is just your belief and opinion.

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That Jesus was a failed doomsday preacher is the predominant view of historians of this period. I agree it isn't "proven". Very little can be proven about Jesus, given that he himself left no writings, and the earliest sources we have date to about 20 years after his death - a time when there were already multiple competing 'gospels' on the market. The best we can do is assess an array of possibilities. There are other possibilities about Jesus. But the idea he was a failed doomsday preacher is probable, as far as I see, when one views the evidence in light of its historical context. Jesus predicited that a cataclysmic apolcalypse was to occur within the lifetime of his contemporaries. It was thought+taught by him that God was soon to intervene to gather the elect, to violently reorder the world, and set up a utopian kingdom. It didn't happen.

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Of course there are plenty of self-identifying "Christians" who accept this failing of Jesus (scholars like E.P. Sanders, Dale Allison, Dale Martin, Ian Mills & Laura Rob...ew Podcast, and plenty of others). I have no problem with these sorts of self-identifying "Christians" who accept that Jesus was wrong in his predicitions but still find meaning in the story enough to hold on to the title. But for me, it seems weird to place as one's number one object of worship a failed doomsday preacher from 2,000yrs ago, who is said to have been resurrected into a super-physical immortal body, yet, not unsurprisingly, had to go back to heaven. Smells fishy. It makes better sense that he just stayed dead like everyone else who lived back then - Indeed like John the Baptist who was another fiery Jewish apocalyptic preacher who gathered disciples, who was executed by the ruling classes for the threat his message was perceived to carry, who was buried, and who was believed to have been raised from the dead.

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Reply #166 posted 03/28/21 2:36pm

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CherryMoon57 said:



2elijah said:


CherryMoon57 said:


Actually, it could well be the reason for his changed views on Christianity.



Doesn’t take away the truth about how Christianity has been used to manipulate many, and why some have chosen to question/walk away from it. At the end of the day, it’s a personal choice. [Edited 3/27/21 19:01pm]

Yes, very much so. Also, let's bear in mind that the kind of sick people who wish to manipulate others will use anything to get to their ends, preying on the weak and vulnerable. However that does not take away the fact that the majority of Christian people and organisations are good sincere people and that many have been doing amazing things for others around the world - often through extremely difficult conditions - so let's not tarnish the picture unecessarily.


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Lol. So basically you’re not good at hearing the truth that many Christians have flaws, like everyone else, and they don’t always hold up to their beliefs, while preaching about Christianity, and many of them judgmental of those who choose not to embrace Christianity. Non-Christians have done good deeds as well, and have their flaws too, so it shouldn’t be that difficult for you to understand that no one is ‘perfect’ regardless of their religious or non-religious beliefs. All Humans have flaws. With that being said, moving on. Toodles!
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Reply #167 posted 03/28/21 3:30pm

IanRG

2elijah said:

CherryMoon57 said:

Yes, very much so. Also, let's bear in mind that the kind of sick people who wish to manipulate others will use anything to get to their ends, preying on the weak and vulnerable. However that does not take away the fact that the majority of Christian people and organisations are good sincere people and that many have been doing amazing things for others around the world - often through extremely difficult conditions - so let's not tarnish the picture unecessarily.

falloff Lol. So basically you’re not good at hearing the truth that many Christians have flaws, like everyone else, and they don’t always hold up to their beliefs, while preaching about Christianity, and many of them judgmental of those who choose not to embrace Christianity. Non-Christians have done good deeds as well, and have their flaws too, so it shouldn’t be that difficult for you to understand that no one is ‘perfect’ regardless of their religious or non-religious beliefs. All Humans have flaws. With that being said, moving on. Toodles! [Edited 3/28/21 14:37pm]

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That is a basic Christian understanding.

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Reply #168 posted 03/28/21 3:31pm

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2elijah said:

CherryMoon57 said:

Yes, very much so. Also, let's bear in mind that the kind of sick people who wish to manipulate others will use anything to get to their ends, preying on the weak and vulnerable. However that does not take away the fact that the majority of Christian people and organisations are good sincere people and that many have been doing amazing things for others around the world - often through extremely difficult conditions - so let's not tarnish the picture unecessarily.

falloff Lol. So basically you’re not good at hearing the truth that many Christians have flaws, like everyone else, and they don’t always hold up to their beliefs, while preaching about Christianity, and many of them judgmental of those who choose not to embrace Christianity. Non-Christians have done good deeds as well, and have their flaws too, so it shouldn’t be that difficult for you to understand that no one is ‘perfect’ regardless of their religious or non-religious beliefs. All Humans have flaws. With that being said, moving on. Toodles! [Edited 3/28/21 14:37pm]


Who said anything about perfection?

Christianity is about humans - of any colour, nation, social background, etc - re-connecting with their creator, not suddenly becoming flawless. Forgiven for past sins, but certainly not flawless.

Christ is the flawless one, not us.


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Reply #169 posted 03/28/21 4:53pm

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CherryMoon57 said:



2elijah said:


CherryMoon57 said:


Yes, very much so. Also, let's bear in mind that the kind of sick people who wish to manipulate others will use anything to get to their ends, preying on the weak and vulnerable. However that does not take away the fact that the majority of Christian people and organisations are good sincere people and that many have been doing amazing things for others around the world - often through extremely difficult conditions - so let's not tarnish the picture unecessarily.



falloff Lol. So basically you’re not good at hearing the truth that many Christians have flaws, like everyone else, and they don’t always hold up to their beliefs, while preaching about Christianity, and many of them judgmental of those who choose not to embrace Christianity. Non-Christians have done good deeds as well, and have their flaws too, so it shouldn’t be that difficult for you to understand that no one is ‘perfect’ regardless of their religious or non-religious beliefs. All Humans have flaws. With that being said, moving on. Toodles! [Edited 3/28/21 14:37pm]


Who said anything about perfection?

Christianity is about humans - of any colour, nation, social background, etc - re-connecting with their creator, not suddenly becoming flawless. Forgiven for past sins, but certainly not flawless.

Christ is the flawless one, not us.



Like I said ‘No one is perfect.’ This ends my discussion with you on this topic, but carry on! popcorn
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Reply #170 posted 03/28/21 9:08pm

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Christianity made better slaves, 100% certified Uncle Toms, & straight up Sambos out of black folks.

....and made us the most forgiving people on the planet. I was sick to my stomach seeing the relatives of Dylan Roof's victims offer that savage forgiveness.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/06/22/black-america-should-stop-forgiving-white-racists/

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Reply #171 posted 03/29/21 5:59am

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uPtoWnNY said:

TonyVanDam said:

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Christianity made better slaves, 100% certified Uncle Toms, & straight up Sambos out of black folks.

....and made us the most forgiving people on the planet. I was sick to my stomach seeing the relatives of Dylan Roof's victims offer that savage forgiveness.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/06/22/black-america-should-stop-forgiving-white-racists/

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If or when I pray, I do not pray for my enemies to be forgiven. I actually pray AND beg for my enemies destruction! nod

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Reply #172 posted 03/29/21 6:00am

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TonyVanDam said:



uPtoWnNY said:




TonyVanDam said:



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Christianity made better slaves, 100% certified Uncle Toms, & straight up Sambos out of black folks.





....and made us the most forgiving people on the planet. I was sick to my stomach seeing the relatives of Dylan Roof's victims offer that savage forgiveness.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/06/22/black-america-should-stop-forgiving-white-racists/



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If or when I pray, I do not pray for my enemies to be forgiven. I actually pray AND beg for my enemies destruction! nod





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Reply #173 posted 03/29/21 9:57am

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RJOrion said:

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im not mixing up anything at all, and neither is he . The Europeans who constructed all these historical lies and propaganda, are the ones that mixed stuff up...intentionally or otherwise...and the case has BEEN closed...for hundreds of years now... convince yourself because im solid, ten toes down, in my wisdom and knowledge

The "Europeans" who constructed "historical lies" and "propaganda." Real in-depth stuff here on the org. One minute we're talking about 12 thousand year old civilisations, the next we're going back 400 years and acting like it's the same.

"I think people ought to know that we're anti-fascist, we're anti-violence, we're anti-racist and we're pro-creative. We're against ignorance."
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Reply #174 posted 03/29/21 11:47am

IanRG

TonyVanDam said:

uPtoWnNY said:

....and made us the most forgiving people on the planet. I was sick to my stomach seeing the relatives of Dylan Roof's victims offer that savage forgiveness.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/06/22/black-america-should-stop-forgiving-white-racists/

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If or when I pray, I do not pray for my enemies to be forgiven. I actually pray AND beg for my enemies destruction! nod

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These two posts are perfect examples of the thinking that led to so many of the times that people who call themselves Christian have failed to follow the teachings of Christ. A fitting contribution to a thread that started with anger at whether those other people should get to share heaven with the OP's people.

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Reply #175 posted 03/29/21 11:58am

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IanRG said:



TonyVanDam said:




uPtoWnNY said:





....and made us the most forgiving people on the planet. I was sick to my stomach seeing the relatives of Dylan Roof's victims offer that savage forgiveness.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/06/22/black-america-should-stop-forgiving-white-racists/



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If or when I pray, I do not pray for my enemies to be forgiven. I actually pray AND beg for my enemies destruction! nod



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These two posts are perfect examples of the thinking that led to so many of the times that people who call themselves Christian have failed to follow the teachings of Christ. A fitting contribution to a thread that started with anger at whether those other people should get to share heaven with the OP's people.




and every one of your posts is a perfect example of the misinformation, fanaticism, and lunacy of the Trinity Concepts of Christianity, and what it does to the minds of its practitioners...if we "blacks" want to walk/run away from Christianity, why does it concern you so much that you continue to endlessly post foolish rhetoric to try to convince anyone otherwise?
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Reply #176 posted 03/29/21 1:22pm

IanRG

RJOrion said:

IanRG said:

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These two posts are perfect examples of the thinking that led to so many of the times that people who call themselves Christian have failed to follow the teachings of Christ. A fitting contribution to a thread that started with anger at whether those other people should get to share heaven with the OP's people.

and every one of your posts is a perfect example of the misinformation, fanaticism, and lunacy of the Trinity Concepts of Christianity, and what it does to the minds of its practitioners...if we "blacks" want to walk/run away from Christianity, why does it concern you so much that you continue to endlessly post foolish rhetoric to try to convince anyone otherwise?

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Personal attacks are never a substitute for adult conversation. I note you still cannot address your errors even though the Knicks game is over.

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PS I have not said anyone should or should not choose their own religion. It is not me seeking to force beliefs on others here.

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Reply #177 posted 03/29/21 1:30pm

RJOrion

IanRG said:



RJOrion said:


IanRG said:


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These two posts are perfect examples of the thinking that led to so many of the times that people who call themselves Christian have failed to follow the teachings of Christ. A fitting contribution to a thread that started with anger at whether those other people should get to share heaven with the OP's people.



and every one of your posts is a perfect example of the misinformation, fanaticism, and lunacy of the Trinity Concepts of Christianity, and what it does to the minds of its practitioners...if we "blacks" want to walk/run away from Christianity, why does it concern you so much that you continue to endlessly post foolish rhetoric to try to convince anyone otherwise?

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Personal attacks are never a substitute for adult conversation. I note you still cannot address your errors even though the Knicks game is over.


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PS I have not said anyone should or should not choose their own religion. It is not me seeking to force beliefs on others here.



ive made no errors, nor have i made any personal attacks...im attacking the nonsensical notion that "Blacks" should somehow accept, embrace or even practice so called Christianity...
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Reply #178 posted 03/29/21 3:02pm

uPtoWnNY

IanRG said:

TonyVanDam said:

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If or when I pray, I do not pray for my enemies to be forgiven. I actually pray AND beg for my enemies destruction! nod

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These two posts are perfect examples of the thinking that led to so many of the times that people who call themselves Christian have failed to follow the teachings of Christ. A fitting contribution to a thread that started with anger at whether those other people should get to share heaven with the OP's people.

I want no part of any philosophy (christianity or otherwise) that tells me I have to love/forgive/pray for racist lowlifes who think I'm less than human, and who would kill me and mine if they could get away with it. Black Americans have been doing that nonsense for decades, and what has it done for us? Would a black criminal get the same forgiveness as Dylan Roof? or the 9/11 terrorists? Why are my people always asked to take the high road?

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Reply #179 posted 03/29/21 3:29pm

RJOrion

its also EXTREMELY odd that white christian leaders spend more time trying to prostelytize and convert people of color, than their own people...churhes placed strategically everywhere in the black & so called "minority" communities...the same way drugs, guns and liquor spots are strategically placed in our communities...its no coincidence at all...they are all tools and mechanisms of bondage and oppression
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