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Reply #120 posted 03/27/21 10:50am

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RJOrion said:

of course those of European descent and those who are firm in their "Christian" beliefs will differ and argue and take issue with my (and others) comments in this thread...and they may try to debate and sway opinions and/or beliefs ....but thats to be expected... and mostly ignored....our people have followed their lies and oppressive tactics for centuries, to the extreme detriment of our own race and culture... so YES, its time to not only walk away from Christianity, but RUN away from it...like yesterday

According to your theories, what are those of mixed descents to do then? Run away from themselves?

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Reply #121 posted 03/27/21 10:53am

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Why just Christian? Should they walk away from Islam?

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #122 posted 03/27/21 11:00am

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CherryMoon57 said:



RJOrion said:


of course those of European descent and those who are firm in their "Christian" beliefs will differ and argue and take issue with my (and others) comments in this thread...and they may try to debate and sway opinions and/or beliefs ....but thats to be expected... and mostly ignored....our people have followed their lies and oppressive tactics for centuries, to the extreme detriment of our own race and culture... so YES, its time to not only walk away from Christianity, but RUN away from it...like yesterday



According to your theories, what are those of mixed descents to do then? Run away from themselves?





run AWAY from Christianity...not themselves
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Reply #123 posted 03/27/21 11:04am

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Why just Christian? Should they walk away from Islam?


Good question... since both religions have common roots. I wonder what RJ's stance on this is...

Because Islam and Judaism share a common origin in the Middle East through Abraham, both are considered Abrahamic religions. There are many shared aspects between Judaism and Islam; Islam was strongly influenced by Judaism in its fundamental religious outlook, structure, jurisprudence and practice. https://en.wikipedia.org/...0practice.

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Reply #124 posted 03/27/21 11:24am

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CherryMoon57 said:



2freaky4church1 said:


Why just Christian? Should they walk away from Islam?




Good question... since both religions have common roots. I wonder what RJ's stance on this is...




Because Islam and Judaism share a common origin in the Middle East through Abraham, both are considered Abrahamic religions. There are many shared aspects between Judaism and Islam; Islam was strongly influenced by Judaism in its fundamental religious outlook, structure, jurisprudence and practice. https://en.wikipedia.org/...0practice.





the Arab used Islam to justify and enable THEIR enslavement of Africans too...the Qur'an and the story of Bilal, specifically...these so called organized religions have done NOTHING to improve or assist in the human condition at all...throughout history, they have only caused division, warmongering and oppression.
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Reply #125 posted 03/27/21 11:40am

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strange that the other cultures always wanted to go into Africa and The Americas (lands where the highly spiritual and self sufficient BROWN/BLACK people lived) and rape, pillage,enslave, change and destroy everything to suit their own selfish, hedonistic, and barbaric lifestyles...in fact it STILL goes on today, under the guise of nationalism and colonialism...why did/do they want SO BADLY to control every aspect of the darker peoples lives and souls?...sounds and looks like evil to me
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Reply #126 posted 03/27/21 11:56am

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uPtoWnNY said:



2elijah said:


However, I agree with UptownNY that Christianity has been/is often used to manipulate many, in various ways for control/power/greed. [Edited 3/27/21 7:32am]


Tim Wise has said that many times. Approximately 79% of black Americans identify themselves as christian(more than any other ethnicity). Slightly more than half believe the bible should be taken literally. What those folks should do is redefine christianity & christ for themselves.



According to Newsweek, 94% of non-religious black Americans say they still believe in god or a higher power. Only 3% identify as atheist or agnostic. I'm happy to be part of that tiny percentage. biggrin


I’ve never studied the Bible in depth, but always viewed it as a manual filled with different life experiences to teach humans how to handle those specific, life situations, and how to treat others.

I wasn’t raised in the church, although I have family members and friends that attend Church services, I was never very religious. However, I believe in compassion, respect, acceptance of humans from all backgrounds as being part of this earth, and I don’t think you need religion to know this.
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Reply #127 posted 03/27/21 12:02pm

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2elijah said:

CherryMoon57 said:


2elijah said:

CherryMoon57 said:


https://obu.edu/stories/blog/2020/06/what-does-the-bible-say-about-race.php

'The main points of this study [7] can be synthesized into the following points:



  1. The biblical world was multi-ethnic, and numerous different ethnic groups, including Black Africans, were involved in God’s unfolding plan of redemption.
  2. All people are created in the image of God, and therefore all races and ethnic groups have the same equal status and equal unique value.
  3. Inter-ethnic marriages are sanctioned by Scripture when they are within the faith.
  4. The gospel demands that we carry compassion and the message of Christ across ethnic lines.
  5. The NT teaches that as Christians we are all unified together “in Christ,” regardless of our differing ethnicities. ^Furthermore, our primary concept of self-identity should not be our ethnicity, but our membership as part of the body and family of Christ.
  6. The picture of God’s people at the climax of history depicts a multi-ethnic congregation from every tribe, language, people, and nation, all gathered together in worship around God’s throne.'



How’s that holding true or working out in this society, especially all over the world you will find societies, that use race classification systems to deny equality to different hues? Humans have been murdered (and it is still happening) for their race/religious beliefs. However, I agree with UptownNY that Christianity has been/is often used to manipulate many, in various ways for control/power/greed. [Edited 3/27/21 7:32am]

The race classification system you are talking about is not taught in the Bible. Unfortunately God's will for humanity isn't always the model followed in our societies.


Yes, well that’s obvious.

So... since we agreed that the above positive Christian values have been lost on society and that the problem resides within people and not the Christian values themselves, why preconise that anyone departs from Christianity?

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Reply #128 posted 03/27/21 12:26pm

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the Arab used Islam to justify and enable THEIR enslavement of Africans too...the Qur'an and the story of Bilal, specifically...these so called organized religions have done NOTHING to improve or assist in the human condition at all...throughout history, they have only caused division, warmongering and oppression.

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Reply #129 posted 03/27/21 12:37pm

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it turns my stomach to hear people say THANK YOU JESUS!!, when something good happens for them...instead of thanking their own hard work and efforts, or whomever helped them, they thank an alleged prophet who if existed, was a total stranger, who has been dead for over 2 thousand years...thats like a child thanking Santa Claus for his Christmas presents because its been hidden from the child that his parents actually bought those presents...there is literally ZERO difference
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Reply #130 posted 03/27/21 12:43pm

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2elijah said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Tim Wise has said that many times. Approximately 79% of black Americans identify themselves as christian(more than any other ethnicity). Slightly more than half believe the bible should be taken literally. What those folks should do is redefine christianity & christ for themselves.

According to Newsweek, 94% of non-religious black Americans say they still believe in god or a higher power. Only 3% identify as atheist or agnostic. I'm happy to be part of that tiny percentage. biggrin

I’ve never studied the Bible in depth, but always viewed it as a manual filled with different life experiences to teach humans how to handle those specific, life situations, and how to treat others. I wasn’t raised in the church, although I have family members and friends that attend Church services, I was never very religious. However, I believe in compassion, respect, acceptance of humans from all backgrounds as being part of this earth, and I don’t think you need religion to know this.

If you ever do study the Bible, you will soon realise that it is much more than just a how-to manual. That's why I think that once anyone (from any nation/ethnicity) becomes a true Christian they will never wish to 'depart' from their faith.

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Reply #131 posted 03/27/21 1:06pm

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if you REALLY study the bible, you will see that it is a book full of conflicting contradictions and heinous mistranslations...its not just wise to study the book, but even wiser to study the book's author and the author's motivation for creating the text and content of said book...do yall REALLY know who King James was?..or Constantine I?...if you study the lives and deeds of these people, you should have concerns about anything EITHER of them would do or say, and be concerned about the books theyve overseen and commissioned...ie., the Old and New Testaments of the so called Bible
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Reply #132 posted 03/27/21 2:10pm

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CherryMoon57 said:



2elijah said:


uPtoWnNY said:



Tim Wise has said that many times. Approximately 79% of black Americans identify themselves as christian(more than any other ethnicity). Slightly more than half believe the bible should be taken literally. What those folks should do is redefine christianity & christ for themselves.



According to Newsweek, 94% of non-religious black Americans say they still believe in god or a higher power. Only 3% identify as atheist or agnostic. I'm happy to be part of that tiny percentage. biggrin



I’ve never studied the Bible in depth, but always viewed it as a manual filled with different life experiences to teach humans how to handle those specific, life situations, and how to treat others. I wasn’t raised in the church, although I have family members and friends that attend Church services, I was never very religious. However, I believe in compassion, respect, acceptance of humans from all backgrounds as being part of this earth, and I don’t think you need religion to know this.

If you ever do study the Bible, you will soon realise that it is much more than just a how-to manual. That's why I think that once anyone (from any nation/ethnicity) becomes a true Christian they will never wish to 'depart' from their faith.


‘True Christian?’. I’ve seen many who claim they’re true Christians project prejudice towards those from different racial groups, who are also Christians. So by that list you posted, some so-called Christians need a reality check.

There are non-Christians full of compassion, have big hearts, treat others with respect, and have no problem accepting that all humans have a right to be on this earth. I’ve met many who call themselves ‘True Christians’ who are very judgmental of others. So whose to say Christianity is the end all/be all for Humans to treat each other with respect/acceptance of differences? There are many non-Christian households where children are taught good values. Doesn’t always have to be taught through religion. It’s unfortunately been used too often to manipulate.
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Reply #133 posted 03/27/21 2:18pm

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CherryMoon57 said:



2elijah said:




CherryMoon57 said:






2elijah said:



CherryMoon57 said:




https://obu.edu/stories/blog/2020/06/what-does-the-bible-say-about-race.php

'The main points of this study [7] can be synthesized into the following points:





  1. The biblical world was multi-ethnic, and numerous different ethnic groups, including Black Africans, were involved in God’s unfolding plan of redemption.


  2. All people are created in the image of God, and therefore all races and ethnic groups have the same equal status and equal unique value.


  3. Inter-ethnic marriages are sanctioned by Scripture when they are within the faith.


  4. The gospel demands that we carry compassion and the message of Christ across ethnic lines.


  5. The NT teaches that as Christians we are all unified together “in Christ,” regardless of our differing ethnicities. ^Furthermore, our primary concept of self-identity should not be our ethnicity, but our membership as part of the body and family of Christ.


  6. The picture of God’s people at the climax of history depicts a multi-ethnic congregation from every tribe, language, people, and nation, all gathered together in worship around God’s throne.'







How’s that holding true or working out in this society, especially all over the world you will find societies, that use race classification systems to deny equality to different hues? Humans have been murdered (and it is still happening) for their race/religious beliefs. However, I agree with UptownNY that Christianity has been/is often used to manipulate many, in various ways for control/power/greed. [Edited 3/27/21 7:32am]



The race classification system you are talking about is not taught in the Bible. Unfortunately God's will for humanity isn't always the model followed in our societies.






Yes, well that’s obvious.



So... since we agreed that the above positive Christian values have been lost on society and that the problem resides within people and not the Christian values themselves, why preconise that anyone departs from Christianity?


I wouldn’t say it’s been ‘lost’ on society, because not everyone has to embrace it. It’s not a requirement to be ‘Human.’

I just think many have begun to question Christianity, and are realizing how it was used to divide/conquer/punish those who refused to accept those teachings, throughout history. I mean when you try to force a religious belief on specific groups of people by force, how can the enforcers of that faith be ‘true Christians’ or of good, when they themselves have used/or use evil tactics to force their Christian beliefs on others, at the same time, robbing ‘others’ of their culture(s)?

Even today, around the world many are being forced to convert to specific forms of religion, and many killed if they don’t comply.
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Reply #134 posted 03/27/21 2:27pm

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RJOrion said:

if you REALLY study the bible, you will see that it is a book full of conflicting contradictions and heinous mistranslations...its not just wise to study the book, but even wiser to study the book's author and the author's motivation for creating the text and content of said book...do yall REALLY know who King James was?..or Constantine I?...if you study the lives and deeds of these people, you should have concerns about anything EITHER of them would do or say, and be concerned about the books theyve overseen and commissioned...ie., the Old and New Testaments of the so called Bible

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It is so very obvious that you, a person who sees no error in rounding up 292 to 400, has never studied the Bible at all, let alone in any detail.

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Constantine and King James DID NOT write the Bible. They did not commission or oversee the creation of the Bible - It existed before the pair of them. There is no proof that the books of the Bible, be they in the Old Testament or New Testament have been changed from what they said in their original Hebrew or Greek in any significant way by either of them. There is certainly no proof that these imagined changes have changed it support the evil done in name of Christianity or in European expansionism.

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Wisdom does not come from the all the errors you have made here. Your inability to answer these errors should show your this. That you cannot let go of your beliefs in something as simple as filious is not the root of the word son and sol is not the root of the word sun shows this.

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You obession with the King James and Constantine has lead you to make things up.

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All King James did was commission an English translation: The King James Bible is not even the first English translation, it is not even the first complete English translation - It was centuries after others. In this, it does not change the understanding in any significant way. The biggest problems today with the King James translation is that it relies on English as written more than 400 years ago and through archeology and studies in ancient linguistics etc, we have better source materials than was available to people who did the King James translation

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The Old Testament is good place to see that what you want to believe is wrong. As we discussed before, but you got confused - the Old Testament are the Jewish Books written long before Christ's time on Earth. The Jews did not collect all these books into a set (commonly referred to as the Jewish Bible) until BETWEEN Christ's time on Earth and Constantine's conversion to Christianity. Key sections were not even considered canonical by the Jews until then. If the changes you imagine were created by Constantine or King James occured, these would be known by the Jewish people in the shared books between the Christian Bible and Jewish Bible. Instead as more and more is known through archeological studies and finds etc, the Christians and Jews have often worked together to ensure that current translations and understandings of the texts are common and accurate to before Constantine. Indeed proof that Constantine did nothing to the Old Testament is that the official Latin translation was not commissioned till long after Constantine's death. In this translation, aside from a few things like the Psalms, the sources used by-passed the Greek translations and used Jewish Hebrew sources. There simply is not any proof that Constantine did what you imagine.

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Reply #135 posted 03/27/21 2:47pm

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"If you are the child of god and god is a part of you, then in your imagination, god suppose to look like you. And when you accept a picture of the deity assigned to you by another people, you become the spiritual prisoners of that other people."

"A people will never be free when they worship a god assigned to them....."

Truth from John Henrik Clarke

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Reply #136 posted 03/27/21 3:14pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

"If you are the child of god and god is a part of you, then in your imagination, god suppose to look like you. And when you accept a picture of the deity assigned to you by another people, you become the spiritual prisoners of that other people."

"A people will never be free when they worship a god assigned to them....."

Truth from John Henrik Clarke

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No one today in the USA has had God assigned to them.

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Please stop seeking to evangelise your beliefs. Someone here said "I don't even broadcast my beliefs unless asked." No one asked, yet all we see is broadcasting of your beliefs.

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If you are a child of God, then God exists and God's existence is NOT a creation of us. We are all in the image of God. To push God must look like you, and not people of other races, is just as bad and disingenuous not matter how you look. If God exists as Christians believe and you have zero proof that this is not true, to seek to talk others out of believing at the expense of their soul is seeking to assign your beliefs on them.

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Reply #137 posted 03/27/21 3:31pm

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2elijah said:

CherryMoon57 said:

So... since we agreed that the above positive Christian values have been lost on society and that the problem resides within people and not the Christian values themselves, why preconise that anyone departs from Christianity?

I wouldn’t say it’s been ‘lost’ on society, because not everyone has to embrace it. It’s not a requirement to be ‘Human.’ I just think many have begun to question Christianity, and are realizing how it was used to divide/conquer/punish those who refused to accept those teachings, throughout history. I mean when you try to force a religious belief on specific groups of people by force, how can the enforcers of that faith be ‘true Christians’ or of good, when they themselves have used/or use evil tactics to force their Christian beliefs on others, at the same time, robbing ‘others’ of their culture(s)? Even today, around the world many are being forced to convert to specific forms of religion, and many killed if they don’t comply. [Edited 3/27/21 14:26pm]

But let's not confuse evilness with God's actual message. That some have distorted Christianity to exert control over others should not become a reason to discard the original message. That would be like someone blaming a recipe book when they simply ignored all the instructions and the result was a failure. As for persecutions, many Christians are currently persecuted in many parts of the World. 'Evilness' can be found anywhere.

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Reply #138 posted 03/27/21 3:39pm

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People (not just Blacks) should walk away from Christianity not because of what they may or may not stand to gain from doing so, but because Christianity is a superstition. Jesus was a failed doomsday preacher who stayed dead. If people find comfort in the story on a metaphorical / purely emotional level, that's fine. But it's superstitious to believe literally that one can converse via prayer and 'scripture' with a 1st century Jewish apocalyptic preacher who was raised from the dead in a super-physical immortal bodily state that then conveniently had to go back to heaven.

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Reply #139 posted 03/27/21 3:48pm

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toejam said:

People (not just Blacks) should walk away from Christianity not because of what they may or may not stand to gain from doing so, but because Christianity is a superstition. Jesus was a failed doomsday preacher who stayed dead. If people find comfort in the story on a metaphorical / purely emotional level, that's fine. But it's superstitious to believe literally that one can converse via prayer and 'scripture' with a 1st century Jewish apocalyptic preacher who was raised from the dead in a super-physical immortal bodily state that then conveniently had to go back to heaven.

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Your unproven assertion is just your belief and opinion.

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Reply #140 posted 03/27/21 3:58pm

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Humans and their silly ass beliefs............

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #141 posted 03/27/21 4:07pm

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Humans and their silly ass beliefs............

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Welcome, fellow human.

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Reply #142 posted 03/27/21 4:19pm

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toejam said:

People (not just Blacks) should walk away from Christianity not because of what they may or may not stand to gain from doing so, but because Christianity is a superstition. Jesus was a failed doomsday preacher who stayed dead. If people find comfort in the story on a metaphorical / purely emotional level, that's fine. But it's superstitious to believe literally that one can converse via prayer and 'scripture' with a 1st century Jewish apocalyptic preacher who was raised from the dead in a super-physical immortal bodily state that then conveniently had to go back to heaven.



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Reply #143 posted 03/27/21 4:25pm

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IanRG said:



RJOrion said:


if you REALLY study the bible, you will see that it is a book full of conflicting contradictions and heinous mistranslations...its not just wise to study the book, but even wiser to study the book's author and the author's motivation for creating the text and content of said book...do yall REALLY know who King James was?..or Constantine I?...if you study the lives and deeds of these people, you should have concerns about anything EITHER of them would do or say, and be concerned about the books theyve overseen and commissioned...ie., the Old and New Testaments of the so called Bible

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It is so very obvious that you, a person who sees no error in rounding up 292 to 400, has never studied the Bible at all, let alone in any detail.


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Constantine and King James DID NOT write the Bible. They did not commission or oversee the creation of the Bible - It existed before the pair of them. There is no proof that the books of the Bible, be they in the Old Testament or New Testament have been changed from what they said in their original Hebrew or Greek in any significant way by either of them. There is certainly no proof that these imagined changes have changed it support the evil done in name of Christianity or in European expansionism.


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Wisdom does not come from the all the errors you have made here. Your inability to answer these errors should show your this. That you cannot let go of your beliefs in something as simple as filious is not the root of the word son and sol is not the root of the word sun shows this.


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You obession with the King James and Constantine has lead you to make things up.


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All King James did was commission an English translation: The King James Bible is not even the first English translation, it is not even the first complete English translation - It was centuries after others. In this, it does not change the understanding in any significant way. The biggest problems today with the King James translation is that it relies on English as written more than 400 years ago and through archeology and studies in ancient linguistics etc, we have better source materials than was available to people who did the King James translation


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The Old Testament is good place to see that what you want to believe is wrong. As we discussed before, but you got confused - the Old Testament are the Jewish Books written long before Christ's time on Earth. The Jews did not collect all these books into a set (commonly referred to as the Jewish Bible) until BETWEEN Christ's time on Earth and Constantine's conversion to Christianity. Key sections were not even considered canonical by the Jews until then. If the changes you imagine were created by Constantine or King James occured, these would be known by the Jewish people in the shared books between the Christian Bible and Jewish Bible. Instead as more and more is known through archeological studies and finds etc, the Christians and Jews have often worked together to ensure that current translations and understandings of the texts are common and accurate to before Constantine. Indeed proof that Constantine did nothing to the Old Testament is that the official Latin translation was not commissioned till long after Constantine's death. In this translation, aside from a few things like the Psalms, the sources used by-passed the Greek translations and used Jewish Hebrew sources. There simply is not any proof that Constantine did what you imagine.





let it go ...youre copy and pasting gibberish and delusions...regurgitating the same misconceptions and folly as most so called Christians do...i dont know if youre trying to convince yourself or others, but your comments are just more misleading and misinformed Christian propaganda...but thats what yall do...i dont even think yall realize how conflicted and out of touch with reality you look and sound..."bless" your heart...may you one day find the truth...or, not
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Reply #144 posted 03/27/21 4:29pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

I recently found this wonderful book from J.L. Ford. This brother sounds like me nearly 40 years ago, when I started to question things after studying history in depth. He doesn't bash christianity or its followers...he just offers explanations as to why it doesn't work to the benefit of black people. These quotes nail it;
"When pictures of a white-savior god hang on the walls of black chrches and homes, who does that benefit?
"When the most atrocious acts are done to us (Charleston, SC church massacre), we pray for comfort, and then we tell the ones who hate us that, if they just ask god for forgiveness, they can still find a place in heaven right along the same people they harmed."
Great stuff


J.L.Ford may encourage Christians to question Christianity, but according to his YouTube channel, he himself follows the teachings of Louis Farrakhan. eek

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Reply #145 posted 03/27/21 4:42pm

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CherryMoon57 said:



2elijah said:


CherryMoon57 said:


So... since we agreed that the above positive Christian values have been lost on society and that the problem resides within people and not the Christian values themselves, why preconise that anyone departs from Christianity?



I wouldn’t say it’s been ‘lost’ on society, because not everyone has to embrace it. It’s not a requirement to be ‘Human.’ I just think many have begun to question Christianity, and are realizing how it was used to divide/conquer/punish those who refused to accept those teachings, throughout history. I mean when you try to force a religious belief on specific groups of people by force, how can the enforcers of that faith be ‘true Christians’ or of good, when they themselves have used/or use evil tactics to force their Christian beliefs on others, at the same time, robbing ‘others’ of their culture(s)? Even today, around the world many are being forced to convert to specific forms of religion, and many killed if they don’t comply. [Edited 3/27/21 14:26pm]

But let's not confuse evilness with God's actual message. That some have distorted Christianity to exert control over others should not become a reason to discard the original message. That would be like someone blaming a recipe book when they simply ignored all the instructions and the result was a failure. As for persecutions, many Christians are currently persecuted in many parts of the World. 'Evilness' can be found anywhere.


There is no ‘confusion’. Again like I stated clearly in my previous post, how many used Christianity and took its message to manipulate/destroy, and it is often used to judge/create fear/impose guilt on those who choose not to embrace Christianity/its message. We all have a choice to either accept/or not, religious beliefs.

Also, I previously mentioned how many people around the world are persecuted because of refusal to embrace specific, religious beliefs including Christianity. No one should be forced to do so, but it happens.
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Reply #146 posted 03/27/21 4:51pm

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RJOrion said:

IanRG said:

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It is so very obvious that you, a person who sees no error in rounding up 292 to 400, has never studied the Bible at all, let alone in any detail.

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Constantine and King James DID NOT write the Bible. They did not commission or oversee the creation of the Bible - It existed before the pair of them. There is no proof that the books of the Bible, be they in the Old Testament or New Testament have been changed from what they said in their original Hebrew or Greek in any significant way by either of them. There is certainly no proof that these imagined changes have changed it support the evil done in name of Christianity or in European expansionism.

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Wisdom does not come from the all the errors you have made here. Your inability to answer these errors should show your this. That you cannot let go of your beliefs in something as simple as filious is not the root of the word son and sol is not the root of the word sun shows this.

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You obession with the King James and Constantine has lead you to make things up.

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All King James did was commission an English translation: The King James Bible is not even the first English translation, it is not even the first complete English translation - It was centuries after others. In this, it does not change the understanding in any significant way. The biggest problems today with the King James translation is that it relies on English as written more than 400 years ago and through archeology and studies in ancient linguistics etc, we have better source materials than was available to people who did the King James translation

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The Old Testament is good place to see that what you want to believe is wrong. As we discussed before, but you got confused - the Old Testament are the Jewish Books written long before Christ's time on Earth. The Jews did not collect all these books into a set (commonly referred to as the Jewish Bible) until BETWEEN Christ's time on Earth and Constantine's conversion to Christianity. Key sections were not even considered canonical by the Jews until then. If the changes you imagine were created by Constantine or King James occured, these would be known by the Jewish people in the shared books between the Christian Bible and Jewish Bible. Instead as more and more is known through archeological studies and finds etc, the Christians and Jews have often worked together to ensure that current translations and understandings of the texts are common and accurate to before Constantine. Indeed proof that Constantine did nothing to the Old Testament is that the official Latin translation was not commissioned till long after Constantine's death. In this translation, aside from a few things like the Psalms, the sources used by-passed the Greek translations and used Jewish Hebrew sources. There simply is not any proof that Constantine did what you imagine.

let it go ...youre copy and pasting gibberish and delusions...regurgitating the same misconceptions and folly as most so called Christians do...i dont know if youre trying to convince yourself or others, but your comments are just more misleading and misinformed Christian propaganda...but thats what yall do...i dont even think yall realize how conflicted and out of touch with reality you look and sound..."bless" your heart...may you one day find the truth...or, not

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I have only made two copy and pastes: One to show you that you are wrong about English being modern Latin. YOU said try google, I did and I posted the first response that confirmed your belief is in error. The only other cut and paste where I showed your lie when you falsely claimed I said the Sumerians did not exist - I never said that and I cut and pasted proof that I said opposite and you were lying.

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Every single thing I said in this post is verifiably accurate.

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Please have the integrity to actually address what I said. Take one point and actually address it, if you can. Otherwise, just reflect on why you need to reply as you do whenever you cannor address a comment made in reply to your assertions.

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Reply #147 posted 03/27/21 4:57pm

RJOrion

IanRG said:



RJOrion said:


IanRG said:


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It is so very obvious that you, a person who sees no error in rounding up 292 to 400, has never studied the Bible at all, let alone in any detail.


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Constantine and King James DID NOT write the Bible. They did not commission or oversee the creation of the Bible - It existed before the pair of them. There is no proof that the books of the Bible, be they in the Old Testament or New Testament have been changed from what they said in their original Hebrew or Greek in any significant way by either of them. There is certainly no proof that these imagined changes have changed it support the evil done in name of Christianity or in European expansionism.


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Wisdom does not come from the all the errors you have made here. Your inability to answer these errors should show your this. That you cannot let go of your beliefs in something as simple as filious is not the root of the word son and sol is not the root of the word sun shows this.


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You obession with the King James and Constantine has lead you to make things up.


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All King James did was commission an English translation: The King James Bible is not even the first English translation, it is not even the first complete English translation - It was centuries after others. In this, it does not change the understanding in any significant way. The biggest problems today with the King James translation is that it relies on English as written more than 400 years ago and through archeology and studies in ancient linguistics etc, we have better source materials than was available to people who did the King James translation


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The Old Testament is good place to see that what you want to believe is wrong. As we discussed before, but you got confused - the Old Testament are the Jewish Books written long before Christ's time on Earth. The Jews did not collect all these books into a set (commonly referred to as the Jewish Bible) until BETWEEN Christ's time on Earth and Constantine's conversion to Christianity. Key sections were not even considered canonical by the Jews until then. If the changes you imagine were created by Constantine or King James occured, these would be known by the Jewish people in the shared books between the Christian Bible and Jewish Bible. Instead as more and more is known through archeological studies and finds etc, the Christians and Jews have often worked together to ensure that current translations and understandings of the texts are common and accurate to before Constantine. Indeed proof that Constantine did nothing to the Old Testament is that the official Latin translation was not commissioned till long after Constantine's death. In this translation, aside from a few things like the Psalms, the sources used by-passed the Greek translations and used Jewish Hebrew sources. There simply is not any proof that Constantine did what you imagine.



let it go ...youre copy and pasting gibberish and delusions...regurgitating the same misconceptions and folly as most so called Christians do...i dont know if youre trying to convince yourself or others, but your comments are just more misleading and misinformed Christian propaganda...but thats what yall do...i dont even think yall realize how conflicted and out of touch with reality you look and sound..."bless" your heart...may you one day find the truth...or, not

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I have only made two copy and pastes: One to show you that you are wrong about English being modern Latin. YOU said try google, I did and I posted the first response that confirmed your belief is in error. The only other cut and paste where I showed your lie when you falsely claimed I said the Sumerians did not exist - I never said that and I cut and pasted proof that I said opposite and you were lying.


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Every single thing I said in this post is verifiably accurate.


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Please have the integrity to actually address what I said. Take one point and actually address it, if you can. Otherwise, just reflect on why you need to reply as you do whenever you cannor address a comment made in reply to your assertions.




now youre just lying...i never said english was "modern latin" ...i said it was derived from Latin...if you dont accept that, youre being a total fool in denial..."About 80 percent of the entries in any English dictionary are borrowed, mainly from Latin. Over 60 percent of all English words have Greek or Latin roots. In the vocabulary of the sciences and technology, the figure rises to over 90 percent."

"English (and most other Western-European languages) adopted many words from Latin and Greek throughout history, because especially Latin was the Lingua Franca all through Antiquity, the Middle Ages, the Renaissance, and later."

now THATS how you copy and paste, EFFECTIVELY

please stop making a fool of yourself...its not cute at all
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Reply #148 posted 03/27/21 5:01pm

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2elijah said:

CherryMoon57 said:

But let's not confuse evilness with God's actual message. That some have distorted Christianity to exert control over others should not become a reason to discard the original message. That would be like someone blaming a recipe book when they simply ignored all the instructions and the result was a failure. As for persecutions, many Christians are currently persecuted in many parts of the World. 'Evilness' can be found anywhere.

There is no ‘confusion’. Again like I stated clearly in my previous post, how many used Christianity and took its message to manipulate/destroy, and it is often used to judge/create fear/impose guilt on those who choose not to embrace Christianity/its message. Also, I previously mentioned how many people around the world are persecuted because of refusal to embrace specific, religious beliefs including Christianity. No one should be forced to do so.

Likewise, no one should try to manipulate Christians into leaving their faith for the wong reasons or with hidden intents to re-direct them towards other extreme belief systems they deem superior to theirs.

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Reply #149 posted 03/27/21 5:02pm

RJOrion

i mean i dont know what country YOURE from...but in America its taught at the elementary school level that the English language is derived from Latin...how anyone can deny or dispute that is idiotic...some of the damn words are still spelled with their latin roots....you poor thing...you gon' learn today....or, not
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