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Australia had 3 cases of Corona.

Gday mate you guys rock. See how easy it is America. Be more like them.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #1 posted 02/09/21 6:29pm

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Australia has had 29000 cases of Covid and over 900 deaths.

They’ve done very well relative to many but let’s not make up silly numbers.
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Reply #2 posted 02/10/21 12:15am

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lust said:

Australia has had 29000 cases of Covid and over 900 deaths. They’ve done very well relative to many but let’s not make up silly numbers.

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It can give hope to others that you can get this under control:

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It has taken 77 days to add the last 1000 cases and most of these are people in quarantine when they come into Australia.

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It has taken 148 days to add the last 100 deaths and the last death was 44 days ago.

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How? The people, the equivalent of the president and the equivalent of the governors, be that right, left or indifferent have worked together (not without disagreement) for the good of all. And as a result our economy is more open and recovering faster and safer than most.

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Reply #3 posted 02/11/21 12:05am

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It also helps that Australia is one big island.
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Reply #4 posted 02/11/21 1:16am

IanRG

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It also helps that Australia is one big island.

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And the USA had an ocean between it and China and another ocean between it and Italy/Europe. Didn't help.

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The reason: Most of the spread of Covid 19 occured by people flying between countries.

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Reply #5 posted 02/14/21 7:52am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Gday mate you guys rock. See how easy it is America. Be more like them.


eek

What Lust said + don't forget it's summer in Australia right now. Let's see what happens in July/August/September.

And oh, you might (if you're sincerely interrested) have a look at this:

https://youtu.be/LoJ0m4GlGV4
Especially from 21mins. 36 secs.

Get your facts right.

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Reply #6 posted 02/14/21 7:10pm

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TweetyV6 said:



2freaky4church1 said:


Gday mate you guys rock. See how easy it is America. Be more like them.




eek

What Lust said + don't forget it's summer in Australia right now. Let's see what happens in July/August/September.

And oh, you might (if you're sincerely interrested) have a look at this:

https://youtu.be/LoJ0m4GlGV4
Especially from 21mins. 36 secs.

Get your facts right.



The Southern Hemisphere has done a full winter season during the pandemic.
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Reply #7 posted 02/14/21 7:12pm

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SantanaMaitreya said:

It also helps that Australia is one big island.


Are you suggesting that Covid is out of control in the U.S due to Canadians and Mexicans wandering over the border? If you are, Nope. If you’re not, then your comment is a massive red herring.
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Reply #8 posted 02/14/21 7:13pm

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IanRG said:



lust said:


Australia has had 29000 cases of Covid and over 900 deaths. They’ve done very well relative to many but let’s not make up silly numbers.

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It can give hope to others that you can get this under control:


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It has taken 77 days to add the last 1000 cases and most of these are people in quarantine when they come into Australia.


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It has taken 148 days to add the last 100 deaths and the last death was 44 days ago.


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How? The people, the equivalent of the president and the equivalent of the governors, be that right, left or indifferent have worked together (not without disagreement) for the good of all. And as a result our economy is more open and recovering faster and safer than most.




All very impressive but claiming they’ve had 3 cases is hilariously incorrect.
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Reply #9 posted 02/14/21 7:19pm

IanRG

lust said:

IanRG said:

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It can give hope to others that you can get this under control:

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It has taken 77 days to add the last 1000 cases and most of these are people in quarantine when they come into Australia.

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It has taken 148 days to add the last 100 deaths and the last death was 44 days ago.

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How? The people, the equivalent of the president and the equivalent of the governors, be that right, left or indifferent have worked together (not without disagreement) for the good of all. And as a result our economy is more open and recovering faster and safer than most.

All very impressive but claiming they’ve had 3 cases is hilariously incorrect.

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Correct

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Reply #10 posted 02/14/21 9:06pm

IanRG

lust said:

TweetyV6 said:


eek

What Lust said + don't forget it's summer in Australia right now. Let's see what happens in July/August/September.

And oh, you might (if you're sincerely interrested) have a look at this:

https://youtu.be/LoJ0m4GlGV4
Especially from 21mins. 36 secs.

Get your facts right.

The Southern Hemisphere has done a full winter season during the pandemic.

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Correct, most of us have had a full year. Tweety is wrong: our winter is June to August, not July to September.

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We were the 63rd worst by cases 1 June 2020. By the end of our winter, we improved to being 69th despite a spike in Melbourne due to a slow response to a quarantine and high density housing breakout. Despite the assertions in the youtube, the lockdown in Melbourne was harsher than in USA and Europe. As a result it was shorter and effective.

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Despite it being a southern winter, the countries that overtook us were primarily in the northern summer.

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As you point out we have a winter result in the current figures already. Getting the facts right requires more than spinning that this is seasonal.

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Reply #11 posted 02/14/21 9:45pm

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IanRG said:



lust said:


TweetyV6 said:



eek

What Lust said + don't forget it's summer in Australia right now. Let's see what happens in July/August/September.

And oh, you might (if you're sincerely interrested) have a look at this:

https://youtu.be/LoJ0m4GlGV4
Especially from 21mins. 36 secs.

Get your facts right.



The Southern Hemisphere has done a full winter season during the pandemic.

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Correct, most of us have had a full year. Tweety is wrong: our winter is June to August, not July to September.


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We were the 63rd worst by cases 1 June 2020. By the end of our winter, we improved to being 69th despite a spike in Melbourne due to a slow response to a quarantine and high density housing breakout. Despite the assertions in the youtube, the lockdown in Melbourne was harsher than in USA and Europe. As a result it was shorter and effective.


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Despite it being a southern winter, the countries that overtook us were primarily in the northern summer.


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As you point out we have a winter result in the current figures already. Getting the facts right requires more than spinning that this is seasonal.



Boggles my mind how that’s not blatantly obvious. Particularly from someone who “knows so much” about climate. Ahem!
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Reply #12 posted 02/16/21 5:52am

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Gday mate you guys rock. See how easy it is America. Be more like them.

America doesn't have to be like any country on this planet. THe reason that America takes in more immigrants than all develloped countries combined is because America is not like Australia or any other country on Earth.

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lust said:

SantanaMaitreya said:

It also helps that Australia is one big island.


Are you suggesting that Covid is out of control in the U.S due to Canadians and Mexicans wandering over the border? If you are, Nope. If you’re not, then your comment is a massive red herring.

Not at all. I'm just saying that it's easier to isolate a country/continent that's surrounded by oceans than a country that's on the mainland surrounded by other countries, which makes travel easier, both for humans and for a virus. I was thinking mostly about Europe anyway. And the way a country handles the virus of course also has an impact.
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Reply #15 posted 02/16/21 11:13am

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SantanaMaitreya said:

lust said:



Are you suggesting that Covid is out of control in the U.S due to Canadians and Mexicans wandering over the border? If you are, Nope. If you’re not, then your comment is a massive red herring.

Not at all. I'm just saying that it's easier to isolate a country/continent that's surrounded by oceans than a country that's on the mainland surrounded by other countries, which makes travel easier, both for humans and for a virus. I was thinking mostly about Europe anyway. And the way a country handles the virus of course also has an impact.


Europe have been letting people fly into Europe, Australia haven’t. Airplanes don’t care about oceans.
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Reply #16 posted 02/16/21 11:36am

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Yeah, that's so strange. Shops have to close, theaters have to close, but airplanes still fly. confused
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Reply #17 posted 02/16/21 12:10pm

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AMERICA1ST said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Gday mate you guys rock. See how easy it is America. Be more like them.

America doesn't have to be like any country on this planet. THe reason that America takes in more immigrants than all develloped countries combined is because America is not like Australia or any other country on Earth.

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Immigration is not how Covid 19 spread to any country.

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It is imagining you are somehow different is why AMERICA is 1ST for the number of covid cases and for the number of people killed by Covid 19. As it did not come to the USA from Canada or Mexico but came in initially by planes from Asia and Europe, you had the same physical distance advantage as Australia had, but you threw it away by mismanagement and making it politcal.

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Oh, and to your US exceptionalism: this is wrong. The annual immigration into the USA is not higher that every other developed country combines. It is not even the highest by developed countries - Germany has had more immigration than the USA every year since 2013. Since 2000 the US has only taken in less than 20% of the total immigrants taken in by OECD countries - For you to be right, the USA would have had to have taken in another 68 million since 2000.

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Reply #18 posted 02/16/21 12:15pm

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Yeah, that's so strange. Shops have to close, theaters have to close, but airplanes still fly. confused


They do in order to manage freight and repatriating citizens. But you can put measures in place to mitigate the risk by only allowing citizens and residents return and having them go into managed isolation on return. Draconian? Perhaps but it’s why Aus/NZ has done so well. Don’t let oceans or low population numbers fool you. We all still mainly live in cities and the virus would
have had no trouble spreading here through our cities if we let it in en masse and didn’t have hard but short lockdowns.

In Auckland NZ, we’re in lockdown now for 3 days (unless extended) due to just 3 cases of Covid. We’ll be back open in a few days with no community cases (assuming we’ve caught it in time) and full freedoms. Without the precautions we’ve taken, we’d be as fucked as everywhere else.

We’re certainly not perfect and have our share of idiotic deniers who refuse to mask up when in lockdown and won’t scan in to places. We’ve perhaps been riding our luck a bit due to those idiots but history will tell if we make it through unscathed.

We just had one more death (an arriving returnee) so that’s “just” 26 deaths in total for population of 5 million.
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Reply #19 posted 02/16/21 12:19pm

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SantanaMaitreya said:

lust said:
Are you suggesting that Covid is out of control in the U.S due to Canadians and Mexicans wandering over the border? If you are, Nope. If you’re not, then your comment is a massive red herring.
Not at all. I'm just saying that it's easier to isolate a country/continent that's surrounded by oceans than a country that's on the mainland surrounded by other countries, which makes travel easier, both for humans and for a virus. I was thinking mostly about Europe anyway. And the way a country handles the virus of course also has an impact.

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A closed border is no different from an ocean. Australia has prevented the U/USA style spread by periodically closing internal land borders as required (or at time when not necessary).

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In my personal experience as I don't live in the city I work in, during the last closure against the city I work in, I stayed out of that city. This meant whilst my work mates who live in that city could not travel to the State of Queensland, I could visit my Queensland clients. There are no oceans between Queensland, my home city or my work city and my home city has had no local covid case since September 2020.

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IanRG said:



SantanaMaitreya said:


lust said:
Are you suggesting that Covid is out of control in the U.S due to Canadians and Mexicans wandering over the border? If you are, Nope. If you’re not, then your comment is a massive red herring.

Not at all. I'm just saying that it's easier to isolate a country/continent that's surrounded by oceans than a country that's on the mainland surrounded by other countries, which makes travel easier, both for humans and for a virus. I was thinking mostly about Europe anyway. And the way a country handles the virus of course also has an impact.

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A closed border is no different from an ocean. Australia has prevented the U/USA style spread by periodically closing internal land borders as required (or at time when not necessary).


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In my personal experience as I don't live in the city I work in, during the last closure against the city I work in, I stayed out of that city. This meant whilst my work mates who live in that city could not travel to the State of Queensland, I could visit my Queensland clients. There are no oceans between Queensland, my home city or my work city and my home city has had no local covid case since September 2020.

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Closing borders is much easier if your border is one big ocean. But I don't want to repeat myself. I'm a Midnight Oil fan and I know that they're giving live shows again, so Australia must be doing something right. In my country, it's a mess. Vaccinations are happening, but very slowly. There's a 9 pm curfew and today a judge ruled that that's illegal and now another judge ruled that the law is still in place... Pfff...
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Reply #21 posted 02/16/21 2:51pm

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Some of the strongest lockdowns in the world happened in Australia. I have several close friends there, it was seriously hard core.

Also, what people seem to be missing is that the population of Australia is roughly 25 million vs 327 million in the U.S. and the countries are not that far apart in size (Australia is much bigger than a lot of people realize). California alone has a population of 39 million in an area 1/18 the size of Australia.


It's not just about, "Australia did a better job." Not that simple.

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Reply #22 posted 02/16/21 3:18pm

IanRG

SantanaMaitreya said:

IanRG said:

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A closed border is no different from an ocean. Australia has prevented the U/USA style spread by periodically closing internal land borders as required (or at time when not necessary).

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In my personal experience as I don't live in the city I work in, during the last closure against the city I work in, I stayed out of that city. This meant whilst my work mates who live in that city could not travel to the State of Queensland, I could visit my Queensland clients. There are no oceans between Queensland, my home city or my work city and my home city has had no local covid case since September 2020.

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Closing borders is much easier if your border is one big ocean. But I don't want to repeat myself. I'm a Midnight Oil fan and I know that they're giving live shows again, so Australia must be doing something right. In my country, it's a mess. Vaccinations are happening, but very slowly. There's a 9 pm curfew and today a judge ruled that that's illegal and now another judge ruled that the law is still in place... Pfff...

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You are missing the two points:

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1 Land vs water borders are irrelevant to airplanes - The USA proved this. Even Europe proved this as the Chinese visitors flew in to Italy. I was in Myanmar, Thailand and Malaysia in Jan/Feb 2020, all by plane across water. Despite high traffic between Australia and China/SEA, most of the first 1,000 cases in Australia flew in from the USA after infected people flew in to the USA. This is as a result of double ocean crossings.

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2 The borders Australia uses to control this once in Australia were (except for Tasmania) all land borders and it is these controls that differeniate us from USA/Europe.

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It is easier to control international land borders than borders between internal states, provinces and in regard to the what I said between council areas - my house is in the same State as the recently locked down areas but is outside of councils in Sydney, Blue Mountains, Wollongong and Central Coast. This is why I was allowed to go to Queensland but other people in my business were not.

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Reply #23 posted 02/16/21 9:15pm

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Some of the strongest lockdowns in the world happened in Australia. I have several close friends there, it was seriously hard core.

Also, what people seem to be missing is that the population of Australia is roughly 25 million vs 327 million in the U.S. and the countries are not that far apart in size (Australia is much bigger than a lot of people realize). California alone has a population of 39 million in an area 1/18 the size of Australia.



It's not just about, "Australia did a better job." Not that simple.



Not just about it but largely about it. The size of Australia is a non sequitur.
Fun fact. Aussies are not spread out evenly across the continent. Most of it is a barren desert and people live in large cities around the edge. Once the virus was in Sydney and Melbourne, it would have spread like it has in large U.S cities but for the lockdowns. Yes, they were full on but that meant that they were short lived and then life gets back to normal in ways that those in countries with scientifically illiterate leaders and a petulant population could only dream of.
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Cerebus said:

Some of the strongest lockdowns in the world happened in Australia. I have several close friends there, it was seriously hard core.

Also, what people seem to be missing is that the population of Australia is roughly 25 million vs 327 million in the U.S. and the countries are not that far apart in size (Australia is much bigger than a lot of people realize). California alone has a population of 39 million in an area 1/18 the size of Australia.



It's not just about, "Australia did a better job." Not that simple.



But ok. Let’s compare U.S with N.Z.

Population. U.S is 66 times that of N.Z
Population density. U.S is about double that of N.Z
Covid deaths. U.S is 18,769 times that of N.Z

Not good is it!
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Reply #25 posted 02/16/21 10:07pm

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lust said:

Cerebus said:

Some of the strongest lockdowns in the world happened in Australia. I have several close friends there, it was seriously hard core.

Also, what people seem to be missing is that the population of Australia is roughly 25 million vs 327 million in the U.S. and the countries are not that far apart in size (Australia is much bigger than a lot of people realize). California alone has a population of 39 million in an area 1/18 the size of Australia.


It's not just about, "Australia did a better job." Not that simple.

But ok. Let’s compare U.S with N.Z. Population. U.S is 66 times that of N.Z Population density. U.S is about double that of N.Z Covid deaths. U.S is 18,769 times that of N.Z Not good is it!



I almost brought up NZ, because they did about as good a job as anyplace. Australia did a good job stopping the spread of Covid, even if it drove a lot of people into a deep depression. lol You're not going to convince me that anyplace had some magic answer, though. The size of Australia is still a valid point because of the population difference. The U.S. NEVER had a country wide policy. There was never any federal mandates. It was state by state and very often county by county. So when you start comparing on those scales even 25 million around your coasts is 15 million less than just California. Population density does matter. And honestly for as many people as there are in California we did a much better job than a lot of states with less population.

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Reply #26 posted 02/16/21 10:23pm

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NZ is about to leave lockdown. Auckland will move to Level 2, which is social distancing, but shops, schools and all public facilities open and people are expected to get back to work. Rest of country is Level One which is basically normal, but with QR code scanning and wearing masks on all public transport.

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This latest outbreak was caused in South Auckland, an area of NZ a lot like a poor urban area in America. The family at the centre did not use QR codes or scan and did not seem to give a shit until they got sick. It is likely the daughter a school girl got it as 3 more related to her have tested positive.

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This angers me a bit, as I play my part, scan everywhere I go, wear the masks and tale precautions like most NZers and these people can not eb bothered doing their part, the 3 week lockdown in August was caused by another family of poor south aucklanders, who could not be bothered scanning or taking any precautions and it caused 179 cases and 3 deaths.

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We all need to be more careful and considerate, as lockdowns cost the economy money and it angers fellow citizens.

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As for comparing NZ to USA.

NZ has had 26 deaths from a population of 5 million that is 5 per million people

It has had 1984 confirmed and 356 Probable cases, which is 389 per million people.

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The USA has had in comparison some 29 million cases out of 330 million people or around 84,000 per million and 500k deaths which is 1625 or so per million.

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That means people in the USA are 230 times more likely to catch it than in NZ and 325 times more likely to die, so we can't even have the Americans bragging about population size.

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Australia has had 29k cases in a population of 25 million making around 850 per million, it has had 909 deaths, making it around 36 per million people.

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This means the USA is 100 times more likely to catch it than Australia and 45 times more likely to die.

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IanRG said:

lust said:

TweetyV6 said: The Southern Hemisphere has done a full winter season during the pandemic.

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Correct, most of us have had a full year. Tweety is wrong: our winter is June to August, not July to September.

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We were the 63rd worst by cases 1 June 2020. By the end of our winter, we improved to being 69th despite a spike in Melbourne due to a slow response to a quarantine and high density housing breakout. Despite the assertions in the youtube, the lockdown in Melbourne was harsher than in USA and Europe. As a result it was shorter and effective.

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Despite it being a southern winter, the countries that overtook us were primarily in the northern summer.

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As you point out we have a winter result in the current figures already. Getting the facts right requires more than spinning that this is seasonal.


Your winter counts 9 days of June, full month of July, full month of August and 21 days of September, I know.

Lock-down stringency has no correlation with Covid-19 mortality.
See Chapter 5, page 35 of this paper

Then, there are more factors that play a role. Seasonality is one, but also the relative humidity, the hours of UV light per day and many other environmental

There is no spinning in that the virus is seasonal. That's a fact.

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Cerebus said:



lust said:


Cerebus said:

Some of the strongest lockdowns in the world happened in Australia. I have several close friends there, it was seriously hard core.

Also, what people seem to be missing is that the population of Australia is roughly 25 million vs 327 million in the U.S. and the countries are not that far apart in size (Australia is much bigger than a lot of people realize). California alone has a population of 39 million in an area 1/18 the size of Australia.



It's not just about, "Australia did a better job." Not that simple.



But ok. Let’s compare U.S with N.Z. Population. U.S is 66 times that of N.Z Population density. U.S is about double that of N.Z Covid deaths. U.S is 18,769 times that of N.Z Not good is it!





I almost brought up NZ, because they did about as good a job as anyplace. Australia did a good job stopping the spread of Covid, even if it drove a lot of people into a deep depression. lol You're not going to convince me that anyplace had some magic answer, though. The size of Australia is still a valid point because of the population difference. The U.S. NEVER had a country wide policy. There was never any federal mandates. It was state by state and very often county by county. So when you start comparing on those scales even 25 million around your coasts is 15 million less than just California. Population density does matter. And honestly for as many people as there are in California we did a much better job than a lot of states with less population.



Of course population density matters.

Now that we’ve agreed on that, you’ll have to explain why twice the population density explains a death rate multiplier of 18,769 times.

Stop making excuses for your country’s monumental and catastrophic failure.

“NZ did as good a any place”. 😂 You absolute clown. I don’t know ONE person who’s even had Covid. If we did as good as “anyplace”, there would BE no pandemic. Start taking some responsibility.
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Reply #29 posted 02/16/21 11:57pm

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Purplegarden said:

NZ is about to leave lockdown. Auckland will move to Level 2, which is social distancing, but shops, schools and all public facilities open and people are expected to get back to work. Rest of country is Level One which is basically normal, but with QR code scanning and wearing masks on all public transport.


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This latest outbreak was caused in South Auckland, an area of NZ a lot like a poor urban area in America. The family at the centre did not use QR codes or scan and did not seem to give a shit until they got sick. It is likely the daughter a school girl got it as 3 more related to her have tested positive.


.


This angers me a bit, as I play my part, scan everywhere I go, wear the masks and tale precautions like most NZers and these people can not eb bothered doing their part, the 3 week lockdown in August was caused by another family of poor south aucklanders, who could not be bothered scanning or taking any precautions and it caused 179 cases and 3 deaths.


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We all need to be more careful and considerate, as lockdowns cost the economy money and it angers fellow citizens.


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As for comparing NZ to USA.



NZ has had 26 deaths from a population of 5 million that is 5 per million people


It has had 1984 confirmed and 356 Probable cases, which is 389 per million people.


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The USA has had in comparison some 29 million cases out of 330 million people or around 84,000 per million and 500k deaths which is 1625 or so per million.


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That means people in the USA are 230 times more likely to catch it than in NZ and 325 times more likely to die, so we can't even have the Americans bragging about population size.


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Australia has had 29k cases in a population of 25 million making around 850 per million, it has had 909 deaths, making it around 36 per million people.


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This means the USA is 100 times more likely to catch it than Australia and 45 times more likely to die.



Amen. About time we made scanning mandatory though. Sick of all the wankers who get their info from social media and get exposed to the kind of dumbfuckery witnessed above.
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