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Thread started 01/27/21 3:49am

TonyVanDam

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@Left-Wing Orgers...Are you Liberal, Progressive, Radical, OR Revolutionary?

It's no secret that most past & present orgers have all been leaning-left in their political and/or social views. So if you are one of those orgers, please telling me what kind of left-winger are you and how did you get to that point in your professional AND personal life.

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Feel free to get a cup of coffee or tea while we are having the discussion in this thread. coffee coffee cool

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Reply #1 posted 01/27/21 11:08am

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You forgot socialist and social democrat. In Europe, by the way, liberal is considered right wing. Neoliberalism is the term used for the policy of people like Reagan and Thatcher. As for me, I consider myself liberal in the sense that I believe in individuality and personal freedom, but I also lean towards socialism because society is more than a bunch of individuals and things like healthcare and education are good for us all and should be available for everybody.
PS: I'll give a big applause to the one who can find the David Lynch quote in my post! wink
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Reply #2 posted 01/27/21 2:37pm

IanRG

All these terms are arbitrary and mean different things to different people in different places and different times.

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We are all liberal, progessive, radical, revolutionary as well as conservative, nationalistic, individualist, socialist (small s as in regard individual rights vs social rights), libertarian and authoritarian, greedy and selfless, etc.

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The person to fear is the person for whom the ideology or party or allegiance is the primary driver, regardless of where this comes from.

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Reply #3 posted 01/27/21 3:55pm

uPtoWnNY

IanRG said:

All these terms are arbitrary and mean different things to different people in different places and different times.

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We are all liberal, progessive, radical, revolutionary as well as conservative, nationalistic, individualist, socialist (small s as in regard individual rights vs social rights), libertarian and authoritarian, greedy and selfless, etc.

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The person to fear is the person for whom the ideology or party or allegiance is the primary driver, regardless of where this comes from.

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My liberalism/conservatism depends on the issue.

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Reply #4 posted 01/27/21 4:17pm

SoulAlive

I consider myself a moderate Democrat.
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Reply #5 posted 01/27/21 4:45pm

Margot

In US terms, I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

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Reply #6 posted 01/27/21 10:38pm

TrivialPursuit

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Anarchist.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #7 posted 01/28/21 6:04am

TonyVanDam

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SantanaMaitreya said:

You forgot socialist and social democrat. In Europe, by the way, liberal is considered right wing. Neoliberalism is the term used for the policy of people like Reagan and Thatcher. As for me, I consider myself liberal in the sense that I believe in individuality and personal freedom, but I also lean towards socialism because society is more than a bunch of individuals and things like healthcare and education are good for us all and should be available for everybody. PS: I'll give a big applause to the one who can find the David Lynch quote in my post! wink

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1. In THIS thread, I am using the U.S. American understanding of "left-wing".

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2. I left out "socialist" for a reason. It is not only a left-wing thing. Remember, right-wing reactionaries can been socialists too [EXAMPLE: Nazi Germany during WW2].

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Reply #8 posted 01/28/21 9:05am

MarySharon

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Anarchist all the way

Is there any place of refuge one can flee from this insanity
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Reply #9 posted 01/28/21 9:26am

v10letblues

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Liberal/moderate
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Reply #10 posted 01/28/21 11:05am

SantanaMaitrey
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TonyVanDam said:



SantanaMaitreya said:


You forgot socialist and social democrat. In Europe, by the way, liberal is considered right wing. Neoliberalism is the term used for the policy of people like Reagan and Thatcher. As for me, I consider myself liberal in the sense that I believe in individuality and personal freedom, but I also lean towards socialism because society is more than a bunch of individuals and things like healthcare and education are good for us all and should be available for everybody. PS: I'll give a big applause to the one who can find the David Lynch quote in my post! wink

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1. In THIS thread, I am using the U.S. American understanding of "left-wing".


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2. I left out "socialist" for a reason. It is not only a left-wing thing. Remember, right-wing reactionaries can been socialists too [EXAMPLE: Nazi Germany during WW2].


Just because the Nazi party used the word socialism doesn't mean they were socialist. The fascist ideology is the complete opposite of socialism and socialists and communists ended up in the concentration camps.
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Reply #11 posted 01/28/21 11:51am

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Radical means getting at the root. Debating around the root means you are afraid to say what is actually going on.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #12 posted 01/28/21 12:24pm

IanRG

2freaky4church1 said:

Radical means getting at the root. Debating around the root means you are afraid to say what is actually going on.

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Except there is almost always mutually exclusive or conflicting understanding of what part of the root actually should be changed and all with different opinions on impacts and resolutions.

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If you cannot debate because it will compromise your ideology, then you are likely to be the root that needs to be removed.

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If you cannot debate but require people to follow your ideology, then radicalism is just another word for authoritarianism.

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Reply #13 posted 01/28/21 12:52pm

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In the immortal words of former New York City Mayor Ed Koch, I consider myself a “Liberal with Sanity “
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Reply #14 posted 01/28/21 9:26pm

TonyVanDam

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SantanaMaitreya said:

Just because the Nazi party used the word socialism doesn't mean they were socialist. The fascist ideology is the complete opposite of socialism and socialists and communists ended up in the concentration camps.

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Noted. nod

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Reply #15 posted 01/28/21 9:31pm

TonyVanDam

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2freaky4church1 said:

Radical means getting at the root. Debating around the root means you are afraid to say what is actually going on.

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Jimmy Dore, Dr. Cornel West, & Richard M. Stallman are THE definite 21st century radicals. Those guys are so left-wing that Bernie Sanders, AOC, & The TYT Network are worried! lol

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Reply #16 posted 01/29/21 3:39am

v10letblues

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These are not "radicals" they are cartoons.

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Reply #17 posted 01/29/21 5:41am

TonyVanDam

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v10letblues said:

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These are not "radicals" they are cartoons.

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Please elaborate.

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Reply #18 posted 01/29/21 10:17am

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Root: don't touch a hot stove. You get burnt.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #19 posted 01/29/21 10:19am

2freaky4church
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case in point: the black conservative Coleman hughes just did an interview with Noam Chomsky!

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #20 posted 01/29/21 1:40pm

IanRG

2freaky4church1 said:

Root: don't touch a hot stove. You get burnt.

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Just my point - the root falls back to slogans and veiled threats with no substance or a direct answer as to why we should think their way is the only way. No debate, just do as I demand or get burned.

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Reply #21 posted 01/30/21 4:39am

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SantanaMaitreya said:

You forgot socialist and social democrat. In Europe, by the way, liberal is considered right wing. Neoliberalism is the term used for the policy of people like Reagan and Thatcher. As for me, I consider myself liberal in the sense that I believe in individuality and personal freedom, but I also lean towards socialism because society is more than a bunch of individuals and things like healthcare and education are good for us all and should be available for everybody. PS: I'll give a big applause to the one who can find the David Lynch quote in my post! wink

Wild at Heart ? Sailor´s reason why he wears that funky looking jacket?

"This is a snakeskin jacket! And for me it's a symbol of my individuality, and my belief... in personal freedom."


" I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?"
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Reply #22 posted 01/30/21 4:45am

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I think Americans would label me a liberal, in European terms I am probably more of a social democrat but there are some issues where I am a bit conservative. As far as personal freedoms are concerned, I am probably very liberal, maybe even libertarian, but as far as health insurance and civic society are concerned I´d say I´m more left-leaning. I like the system of countries such as Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden etc. but I also think that they are prone to people abusing that system.

As far as drug laws , abortion, sexual lifestyles and other "freedoms" are concerned, I am a staunch advocate of personal choice and freedoms, even if my personal opinion on those matters is not necessarily "pro", but I wouldn´t want the state or government to interfere or dictate on those matters.

" I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?"
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Reply #23 posted 01/30/21 2:27pm

IanRG

KoolEaze said:

I think Americans would label me a liberal, in European terms I am probably more of a social democrat but there are some issues where I am a bit conservative. As far as personal freedoms are concerned, I am probably very liberal, maybe even libertarian, but as far as health insurance and civic society are concerned I´d say I´m more left-leaning. I like the system of countries such as Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden etc. but I also think that they are prone to people abusing that system.

As far as drug laws , abortion, sexual lifestyles and other "freedoms" are concerned, I am a staunch advocate of personal choice and freedoms, even if my personal opinion on those matters is not necessarily "pro", but I wouldn´t want the state or government to interfere or dictate on those matters.

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As I said - Most of us are a mix and we do not fit into neat boxes, let alone agree on the defintion of each of the boxes.

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Reply #24 posted 01/31/21 12:49am

SeventeenDayze

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Trolls be gone!
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Reply #25 posted 01/31/21 12:53am

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KoolEaze said:



SantanaMaitreya said:


You forgot socialist and social democrat. In Europe, by the way, liberal is considered right wing. Neoliberalism is the term used for the policy of people like Reagan and Thatcher. As for me, I consider myself liberal in the sense that I believe in individuality and personal freedom, but I also lean towards socialism because society is more than a bunch of individuals and things like healthcare and education are good for us all and should be available for everybody. PS: I'll give a big applause to the one who can find the David Lynch quote in my post! wink

Wild at Heart ? Sailor´s reason why he wears that funky looking jacket?


"This is a snakeskin jacket! And for me it's a symbol of my individuality, and my belief... in personal freedom."




We have a winner! clapping clapping clapping
O tempora! O mores!
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Reply #26 posted 01/31/21 6:09am

KoolEaze

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SantanaMaitreya said:

KoolEaze said:

Wild at Heart ? Sailor´s reason why he wears that funky looking jacket?

"This is a snakeskin jacket! And for me it's a symbol of my individuality, and my belief... in personal freedom."


We have a winner! clapping clapping clapping

I really like that movie. After watching it I just had to see all of David Lynch´s work. wink

" I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?"
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Reply #27 posted 02/06/21 12:38pm

lust

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Labels, labels, labels.

Divide, divide and continue to divide.

What a dull way to identify oneself.
If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
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Reply #28 posted 02/06/21 1:25pm

IanRG

lust said:

Labels, labels, labels. Divide, divide and continue to divide. What a dull way to identify oneself.

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Agreed. It is like arguing over what genre is that song or what is good or bad music.

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There are only three types of music, From the top:

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1 Prince's music,

2 Other music you like,

3 Music you don't like.

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Reply #29 posted 02/06/21 1:49pm

SantanaMaitrey
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IanRG said:



lust said:


Labels, labels, labels. Divide, divide and continue to divide. What a dull way to identify oneself.

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Agreed. It is like arguing over what genre is that song or what is good or bad music.


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There are only three types of music, From the top:


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1 Prince's music,


2 Other music you like,


3 Music you don't like.


Then why don't we ever see you in the Prince Music & More forum?
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