It's no secret that most past & present orgers have all been leaning-left in their political and/or social views. So if you are one of those orgers, please telling me what kind of left-winger are you and how did you get to that point in your professional AND personal life.

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Feel free to get a cup of coffee or tea while we are having the discussion in this thread.

All these terms are arbitrary and mean different things to different people in different places and different times.

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We are all liberal, progessive, radical, revolutionary as well as conservative, nationalistic, individualist, socialist (small s as in regard individual rights vs social rights), libertarian and authoritarian, greedy and selfless, etc.

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The person to fear is the person for whom the ideology or party or allegiance is the primary driver, regardless of where this comes from.

IanRG said:

All these terms are arbitrary and mean different things to different people in different places and different times.

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We are all liberal, progessive, radical, revolutionary as well as conservative, nationalistic, individualist, socialist (small s as in regard individual rights vs social rights), libertarian and authoritarian, greedy and selfless, etc.

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The person to fear is the person for whom the ideology or party or allegiance is the primary driver, regardless of where this comes from.

My liberalism/conservatism depends on the issue.

In US terms, I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

Anarchist.

SantanaMaitreya said:

You forgot socialist and social democrat. In Europe, by the way, liberal is considered right wing. Neoliberalism is the term used for the policy of people like Reagan and Thatcher. As for me, I consider myself liberal in the sense that I believe in individuality and personal freedom, but I also lean towards socialism because society is more than a bunch of individuals and things like healthcare and education are good for us all and should be available for everybody. PS: I'll give a big applause to the one who can find the David Lynch quote in my post!

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1. In THIS thread, I am using the U.S. American understanding of "left-wing".

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2. I left out "socialist" for a reason. It is not only a left-wing thing. Remember, right-wing reactionaries can been socialists too [EXAMPLE: Nazi Germany during WW2].

Anarchist all the way

TonyVanDam said:

Radical means getting at the root. Debating around the root means you are afraid to say what is actually going on.

2freaky4church1 said:

Radical means getting at the root. Debating around the root means you are afraid to say what is actually going on.

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Except there is almost always mutually exclusive or conflicting understanding of what part of the root actually should be changed and all with different opinions on impacts and resolutions.

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If you cannot debate because it will compromise your ideology, then you are likely to be the root that needs to be removed.

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If you cannot debate but require people to follow your ideology, then radicalism is just another word for authoritarianism.

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SantanaMaitreya said:

Just because the Nazi party used the word socialism doesn't mean they were socialist. The fascist ideology is the complete opposite of socialism and socialists and communists ended up in the concentration camps.

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Noted.

2freaky4church1 said:

Radical means getting at the root. Debating around the root means you are afraid to say what is actually going on.

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Jimmy Dore, Dr. Cornel West, & Richard M. Stallman are THE definite 21st century radicals. Those guys are so left-wing that Bernie Sanders, AOC, & The TYT Network are worried!

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These are not "radicals" they are cartoons.

v10letblues said:

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These are not "radicals" they are cartoons.

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Please elaborate.

Root: don't touch a hot stove. You get burnt.

case in point: the black conservative Coleman hughes just did an interview with Noam Chomsky!

2freaky4church1 said:

Root: don't touch a hot stove. You get burnt.

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Just my point - the root falls back to slogans and veiled threats with no substance or a direct answer as to why we should think their way is the only way. No debate, just do as I demand or get burned.

SantanaMaitreya said:

You forgot socialist and social democrat. In Europe, by the way, liberal is considered right wing. Neoliberalism is the term used for the policy of people like Reagan and Thatcher. As for me, I consider myself liberal in the sense that I believe in individuality and personal freedom, but I also lean towards socialism because society is more than a bunch of individuals and things like healthcare and education are good for us all and should be available for everybody. PS: I'll give a big applause to the one who can find the David Lynch quote in my post!

Wild at Heart ? Sailor´s reason why he wears that funky looking jacket?

"This is a snakeskin jacket! And for me it's a symbol of my individuality, and my belief... in personal freedom."

I think Americans would label me a liberal, in European terms I am probably more of a social democrat but there are some issues where I am a bit conservative. As far as personal freedoms are concerned, I am probably very liberal, maybe even libertarian, but as far as health insurance and civic society are concerned I´d say I´m more left-leaning. I like the system of countries such as Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden etc. but I also think that they are prone to people abusing that system.

As far as drug laws , abortion, sexual lifestyles and other "freedoms" are concerned, I am a staunch advocate of personal choice and freedoms, even if my personal opinion on those matters is not necessarily "pro", but I wouldn´t want the state or government to interfere or dictate on those matters.

KoolEaze said:

I think Americans would label me a liberal, in European terms I am probably more of a social democrat but there are some issues where I am a bit conservative. As far as personal freedoms are concerned, I am probably very liberal, maybe even libertarian, but as far as health insurance and civic society are concerned I´d say I´m more left-leaning. I like the system of countries such as Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden etc. but I also think that they are prone to people abusing that system.

As far as drug laws , abortion, sexual lifestyles and other "freedoms" are concerned, I am a staunch advocate of personal choice and freedoms, even if my personal opinion on those matters is not necessarily "pro", but I wouldn´t want the state or government to interfere or dictate on those matters.

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As I said - Most of us are a mix and we do not fit into neat boxes, let alone agree on the defintion of each of the boxes.

Progressive

KoolEaze said:

SantanaMaitreya said:

KoolEaze said:

Wild at Heart ? Sailor´s reason why he wears that funky looking jacket?

"This is a snakeskin jacket! And for me it's a symbol of my individuality, and my belief... in personal freedom."

We have a winner!

I really like that movie. After watching it I just had to see all of David Lynch´s work.

lust said:

Labels, labels, labels. Divide, divide and continue to divide. What a dull way to identify oneself.

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Agreed. It is like arguing over what genre is that song or what is good or bad music.

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There are only three types of music, From the top:

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1 Prince's music,

2 Other music you like,

3 Music you don't like.

IanRG said: