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2elijah

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Trump pardons Steve Bannon, Elliot Brody, dozens of others, on last night in WH

So far he hasn’t pardoned himself or family members. We’ll see if he will still pardon any of his rioters before 11:59am today.


https://www.cnbc.com/2021...ation.html


“President Donald Trump issued dozens of pardons on his last night in the White House, including one to his former campaign chief and ex-White House advisor Steve Bannon, who was charged with swindling donors to a supposed effort to build a wall on the border with Mexico.

Others who received some of the 73 pardons from Trump included the major Republican fundraiser Elliott Broidy, who pleaded guilty last fall to acting as an unregistered foreign agent and the rapper Lil Wayne, who pleaded guilty to a weapons charge last month.”
[Edited 1/20/21 4:28am]
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Reply #1 posted 01/20/21 3:18am

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You can see the other names granted pardons or commutations on link below.

Statement from the Press Secretary Regarding Executive Grants of Clemency
LAW & JUSTICE

Issued on: January 20, 2021

https://www.whitehouse.go...cy-012021/
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Reply #2 posted 01/20/21 4:44am

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Not as bad as I thought it would be. At least none of the idiots from the attack on the Capitol last week.

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Reply #3 posted 01/20/21 6:24am

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PennyPurple said:

Not as bad as I thought it would be. At least none of the idiots from the attack on the Capitol last week.


No, but just a bunch of other pieces of shit, especially Bannon. Disgusting.
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Reply #4 posted 01/20/21 6:45am

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PennyPurple said:

Not as bad as I thought it would be. At least none of the idiots from the attack on the Capitol last week.


He threw his Trumpers under the bus. Now he’ll enjoy the over $100 million dollars of his supporters donations to fund his lifestyle, while many of Trump’s rioters sit in a cell.
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Reply #5 posted 01/20/21 7:13am

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PennyPurple said:

Not as bad as I thought it would be. At least none of the idiots from the attack on the Capitol last week.

I´d much rather see Bannon in prison than some irrelevant idiots because in my opionion Bannon is much smarter and far more dangerous , and much better connected than those fools who stormed the Capitol. Bannon is networking like crazy in Europe and all over the world. It´s really disappointing to see him pardoned.

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Reply #6 posted 01/20/21 9:54am

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If Bannon was the worst that not bad and overall he was pretty light on using the power
“You can’t do it by executive order, unless you’re a dictator,”
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Reply #7 posted 01/20/21 11:04am

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He did executive orders gay bashing. Classic idiocy.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #8 posted 01/20/21 11:37am

Empress

OnlyNDaUsa said:

If Bannon was the worst that not bad and overall he was pretty light on using the power

Your true colours always shine through. stfu

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Reply #9 posted 01/20/21 12:18pm

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Empress said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:


If Bannon was the worst that not bad and overall he was pretty light on using the power

Your true colours always shine through. stfu




Be nice. Trump issued fewer than many have. And he could have
Pardoned many more. My true colors are facts.
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Reply #10 posted 01/20/21 1:17pm

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What's this strange system that a president is even allowed to do that?
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Reply #11 posted 01/20/21 2:05pm

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SantanaMaitreya said:

What's this strange system that a president is even allowed to do that?

It´s really shocking as far as I´m concerned. I think those matters should be left to judges and juries to decide, and should not be based on gut feelings, friendships, benefits , favors and grudges.

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Reply #12 posted 01/20/21 3:19pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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SantanaMaitreya said:

What's this strange system that a president is even allowed to do that?

there are quite a few other counties that have similar laws... oh and barack did way more... more that 4 times as many and the king is carter... (i assume A Johnson is #2)

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Reply #13 posted 01/20/21 4:24pm

IanRG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

SantanaMaitreya said:

What's this strange system that a president is even allowed to do that?

there are quite a few other counties that have similar laws... oh and barack did way more... more that 4 times as many and the king is carter... (i assume A Johnson is #2)

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Carter is only king because of the Vietnam war draft dodging pardons.

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Johnson was high because of the Civil War pardons.

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Obama only granted 72 more pardons over two terms as the coup leader granted over one term. That is 106 average per term for Obama and 140 per term for the coup leader. Instead Obama mainly granted commuted sentences through a formal process mainly to correct for drug sentencing issues.

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The clear differences is that most of the commuted sentences by Obama were by a formal process that required the applicant to demonstrate why they deserved this by a set of rules on rehab and good works since the crime - a number of those with commuted sentences were only released in 2017 after Obama left office based on the formula. Contrast this with the coup leader's process of whim, to protect people who did their crimes for the coup leader on in executing roles given them by the coup leader (eg Bannon) or paid for a pardon. The coup leader cancelled the process set up by Obama.

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That this power exists at all is only part of the problem, it is how this power is executed that is the rest of the problem. That some other countries have a pardon process is no defence for how bad the US application of this has been, regardless of who the president is.

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Reply #14 posted 01/20/21 4:46pm

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it is funny when some are SO DESPERATE to be right they have to add all kinds of conditions and make excuses... and pretend as if I did not know full well the numbers.

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Reply #15 posted 01/20/21 5:15pm

IanRG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

it is funny when some are SO DESPERATE to be right they have to add all kinds of conditions and make excuses... and pretend as if I did not know full well the numbers.

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Thank you for confirming that you do read what is said to you and for confirming you still don't have the courage to directly address me. I was wondering when you would try to accuse me of desparation after I pointed out the desparation in your responses.

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Recognising the volume of pardons for Vietnam war draft dodgers and the Civil War as special cases is not a desparate act, it is a fact. Take these off Carter's and Johnson's totals and they did not use this power out of the ordinary compared to other Presidents.

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Recognising that the coup leader pardoned more per term than Obama is not a desparate act, it is a fact.

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Recognisng the difference between whim, bribes and pardons for those doing crimes for, or enabled by working with the coup leader and a formal program of clemency that often included finished a more reasonable sentence following aggressive sentencing practices is not a desparate act, it is a clear point of differentiation.

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I NEVER pretend you know anything. Too many people have seen your number based arguments in other threads over the years.

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All of this ignores that the key issue with the coup leader's pardons is not the number, but that so many went to people who did crimes for him in election roles or in jobs given to them by the coup leader in his office. Plus the $2 million price for some of the others.

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Reply #16 posted 01/20/21 5:25pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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IanRG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

it is funny when some are SO DESPERATE to be right they have to add all kinds of conditions and make excuses... and pretend as if I did not know full well the numbers.

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Thank you for confirming that you do read what is said to you and for confirming you still don't have the courage to directly address me. I was wondering when you try to accuse me of desparation after I pointed out the desparation in your responses.

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Recognising the volume of pardons for Vietnam war draft dodgers and the Civil War as special cases is not a desparate act, it is a fact. Take these off Carter's and Johnson's totals and they did not use this power out of the ordinary compared to other Presidents.

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Recognising that the coup leader pardoned more per term than Obama is not a desparate act, it is a fact.

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Recognisng the difference between whim, bribes and pardons for those doing crimes for, or enabled by working with the coup leader and a formal program of clemency that often including finished a more reasonable sentence following aggressive sentencing practices is not a desparate act, it is a clear point of differentiation.

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I NEVER pretend you know anything. Too many people have seen your number arguments in other threads over the years.

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All of this ignores that the key issue with the coup leader's pardons is not the number but that so many went to people who did crimes for him in election roles or president jobs given to them by the coup leader. Plus the $2 million price for some of the others.

like most of your post (like this one) I read only the first few lines...

“You can’t do it by executive order, unless you’re a dictator,”
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Reply #17 posted 01/20/21 5:32pm

IanRG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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Thank you for confirming that you do read what is said to you and for confirming you still don't have the courage to directly address me. I was wondering when you try to accuse me of desparation after I pointed out the desparation in your responses.

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Recognising the volume of pardons for Vietnam war draft dodgers and the Civil War as special cases is not a desparate act, it is a fact. Take these off Carter's and Johnson's totals and they did not use this power out of the ordinary compared to other Presidents.

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Recognising that the coup leader pardoned more per term than Obama is not a desparate act, it is a fact.

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Recognisng the difference between whim, bribes and pardons for those doing crimes for, or enabled by working with the coup leader and a formal program of clemency that often including finished a more reasonable sentence following aggressive sentencing practices is not a desparate act, it is a clear point of differentiation.

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I NEVER pretend you know anything. Too many people have seen your number arguments in other threads over the years.

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All of this ignores that the key issue with the coup leader's pardons is not the number but that so many went to people who did crimes for him in election roles or president jobs given to them by the coup leader. Plus the $2 million price for some of the others.

like most of your post (like this one) I read only the first few lines...

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Sure? This is wrong. The first few lines had no discussion of numbers but you said you "did not know full well the numbers".

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No matter how many games you play, you will always fail because you are playing games. The purpose of the forum is to debate, not play obvious partisan games.

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Reply #18 posted 01/20/21 5:35pm

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IanRG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

like most of your post (like this one) I read only the first few lines...

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Sure? This is wrong. The first few lines had no discussion of numbers but you said "I did not know full well the numbers".

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No matter how many games you play, you will always fail because you are playing games. The purpose of the forum is to debate, not play obvious partisan games.

you mentioned numbers in the first line "Carter is only king because of the Vietnam war draft dodging pardons."

“You can’t do it by executive order, unless you’re a dictator,”
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Reply #19 posted 01/20/21 5:39pm

IanRG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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Sure? This is wrong. The first few lines had no discussion of numbers but you said "I did not know full well the numbers".

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No matter how many games you play, you will always fail because you are playing games. The purpose of the forum is to debate, not play obvious partisan games.

you mentioned numbers in the first line "Carter is only king because of the Vietnam war draft dodging pardons."

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No I said "Carter is only king because of the Vietnam war draft dodging pardons". I mentioned no numbers here.

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The place where you demonstated that you do NOT know the numbers was in the discussion where I mentioned the numbers in regard to Obama's vs the coup leaders pardons per term.

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Reply #20 posted 01/20/21 5:45pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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IanRG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

you mentioned numbers in the first line "Carter is only king because of the Vietnam war draft dodging pardons."

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No I said "Carter is only king because of the Vietnam war draft dodging pardons". I mentioned no numbers here.

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The place where you demonstated that you do NOT know the numbers was in the discussion where I mentioned the numbers in regard to Obama's vs the coup leaders pardons per term.

I infered the implied numbers of carters 100Kish pardons... and I said FEW lines... you used a number in the 3rd line... so fail....and no you did not trick me to reading past that 3rd line

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Reply #21 posted 01/20/21 6:06pm

IanRG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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No I said "Carter is only king because of the Vietnam war draft dodging pardons". I mentioned no numbers here.

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The place where you demonstated that you do NOT know the numbers was in the discussion where I mentioned the numbers in regard to Obama's vs the coup leaders pardons per term.

I infered the implied numbers of carters 100Kish pardons... and I said FEW lines... you used a number in the 3rd line... so fail....and no you did not trick me to reading past that 3rd line

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You inference is not me mentioning a number. Please make up you mind - first it was few, then it was one, now it is back to few.

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As to the rest of the BS: I am not trying to trick you into anything. I am just recognising the pointlessness of obvious partisan game play. I am just discussing the posts on the thread and the constant, clear and present errors by those who have supported the coup leader since 2015.

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And we are still left with the coup leader granted more pardons per term than Obama and the coup leader's pardons were too often for crimes done by his campaign team and by people working for the office he disgraced.

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Where as Obama's higher number of clemencies was a result of a systematic correction for aggressive sentencting practices that included demonstrations of good works and completing a more reasonable sentence.

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Reply #22 posted 01/20/21 6:37pm

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It is being reported that, on Saturday 16 Jan, Pat Cipollone, a White House cousel and others advised the coup leader against self pardons for all the reasons we have discussed - it is unlikely to hold up in court, it is tantamount to an admission of guilt so would open him up to more legal issues.

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This was also applied to pardons for his family and for the 6th Jan insurrectionists. That it included those involved with the coup attempt shows again that his throwing them under a bus was not what he wanted to do but was done to protect his ass.

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Reply #23 posted 01/20/21 8:16pm

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Trump is too stupid to realize that....if he had pardoned himself,that would just make him look like the corrupt criminal that he is lol he had to be talked out of it by his advisors,LOL.
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Reply #24 posted 01/21/21 5:46am

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SoulAlive said:

Trump is too stupid to realize that....if he had pardoned himself,that would just make him look like the corrupt criminal that he is lol he had to be talked out of it by his advisors,LOL.

The ironic thing is that he is corrupt. Lol. So glad that poison is no longer president. Such a miserable, hateful person. Now all those terrorists who attacked the Capitol, now see how trump used them, to do his dirty work, and the idiots are losing their jobs, got arrested, and many of them will be sitting in prison, while Trump is chilling in Florida. They deserve what they get.
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Reply #25 posted 01/21/21 9:06am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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Thank you for confirming that you do read what is said to you and for confirming you still don't have the courage to directly address me. I was wondering when you try to accuse me of desparation after I pointed out the desparation in your responses.

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Recognising the volume of pardons for Vietnam war draft dodgers and the Civil War as special cases is not a desparate act, it is a fact. Take these off Carter's and Johnson's totals and they did not use this power out of the ordinary compared to other Presidents.

.

Recognising that the coup leader pardoned more per term than Obama is not a desparate act, it is a fact.

.

Recognisng the difference between whim, bribes and pardons for those doing crimes for, or enabled by working with the coup leader and a formal program of clemency that often including finished a more reasonable sentence following aggressive sentencing practices is not a desparate act, it is a clear point of differentiation.

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I NEVER pretend you know anything. Too many people have seen your number arguments in other threads over the years.

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All of this ignores that the key issue with the coup leader's pardons is not the number but that so many went to people who did crimes for him in election roles or president jobs given to them by the coup leader. Plus the $2 million price for some of the others.

like most of your post (like this one) I read only the first few lines...

Isn´t that very disrespectful ? If that´s the case, why do you even argue with him in the first place?

And you know you can´t possibly compare Trump´s pardons with those you mentioned above. It´s one thing to pardon Vietnam draft dodgers or ex-junkies but Bannon is on a whole different level as far as crime is concerned. He´s a fraud, he ripped off people, he´s dangerous, he even backstabbed his leader and he´s building neonazi networks in Europe. The man is dangerous and should pay the price for the things he´s done, he does not deserve to be pardoned.

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KoolEaze said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

like most of your post (like this one) I read only the first few lines...

Isn´t that very disrespectful ? If that´s the case, why do you even argue with him in the first place?

And you know you can´t possibly compare Trump´s pardons with those you mentioned above. It´s one thing to pardon Vietnam draft dodgers or ex-junkies but Bannon is on a whole different level as far as crime is concerned. He´s a fraud, he ripped off people, he´s dangerous, he even backstabbed his leader and he´s building neonazi networks in Europe. The man is dangerous and should pay the price for the things he´s done, he does not deserve to be pardoned.

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For Only it is all about the gameplay. He imagines that he knows how to rile people so he can push his spin, deflections and lies without having to address what is said in reply to him. What he says is not the case, it is just being deliberately disrespectful. It follows guidance that was spread among far-right on-line forums by people like Bannon on tactics to push the cause and how to avoid facts and counter arguments.

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This is not the first time we have discussed the coup leader's pardons. Last time it was the same thing - it is not about the relative numbers, especially where these include draft dodgers avoiding a prior war or clemency for reformed junkies. It is about those that did crimes directly for the coup leader getting a full pardon.

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Given the rocky relationship between the coup leader and Bannon, this could backfire on the coup leader.

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Reply #27 posted 01/21/21 1:23pm

SoulAlive

yep,the cult members got played lol Trump used them to do his dirty work and now he's out of the picture while they're now jobless or in prison,lol

2elijah said:

SoulAlive said:
Trump is too stupid to realize that....if he had pardoned himself,that would just make him look like the corrupt criminal that he is lol he had to be talked out of it by his advisors,LOL.
The ironic thing is that he is corrupt. Lol. So glad that poison is no longer president. Such a miserable, hateful person. Now all those terrorists who attacked the Capitol, now see how trump used them, to do his dirty work, and the idiots are losing their jobs, got arrested, and many of them will be sitting in prison, while Trump is chilling in Florida. They deserve what they get.
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Reply #28 posted 01/21/21 1:56pm

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IanRG said:

KoolEaze said:

Isn´t that very disrespectful ? If that´s the case, why do you even argue with him in the first place?

And you know you can´t possibly compare Trump´s pardons with those you mentioned above. It´s one thing to pardon Vietnam draft dodgers or ex-junkies but Bannon is on a whole different level as far as crime is concerned. He´s a fraud, he ripped off people, he´s dangerous, he even backstabbed his leader and he´s building neonazi networks in Europe. The man is dangerous and should pay the price for the things he´s done, he does not deserve to be pardoned.

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For Only it is all about the gameplay. He imagines that he knows how to rile people so he can push his spin, deflections and lies without having to address what is said in reply to him. What he says is not the case, it is just being deliberately disrespectful. It follows guidance that was spread among far-right on-line forums by people like Bannon on tactics to push the cause and how to avoid facts and counter arguments.

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This is not the first time we have discussed the coup leader's pardons. Last time it was the same thing - it is not about the relative numbers, especially where these include draft dodgers avoiding a prior war or clemency for reformed junkies. It is about those that did crimes directly for the coup leader getting a full pardon.

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Given the rocky relationship between the coup leader and Bannon, this could backfire on the coup leader.

I´m a bit disappointed in Only, I would´ve expected a better answer from him. wink

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And I hope that the era of Trump and Bannon is finally over. It will take years to undo the damage that´s been done because they both opened Pandora´s box and him no longer being the president is not going to change the people who voted for him over night, but it´s a good start.

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Reply #29 posted 01/21/21 4:35pm

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KoolEaze said:

IanRG said:

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For Only it is all about the gameplay. He imagines that he knows how to rile people so he can push his spin, deflections and lies without having to address what is said in reply to him. What he says is not the case, it is just being deliberately disrespectful. It follows guidance that was spread among far-right on-line forums by people like Bannon on tactics to push the cause and how to avoid facts and counter arguments.

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This is not the first time we have discussed the coup leader's pardons. Last time it was the same thing - it is not about the relative numbers, especially where these include draft dodgers avoiding a prior war or clemency for reformed junkies. It is about those that did crimes directly for the coup leader getting a full pardon.

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Given the rocky relationship between the coup leader and Bannon, this could backfire on the coup leader.

I´m a bit disappointed in Only, I would´ve expected a better answer from him. wink

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And I hope that the era of Trump and Bannon is finally over. It will take years to undo the damage that´s been done because they both opened Pandora´s box and him no longer being the president is not going to change the people who voted for him over night, but it´s a good start.

LOL at the wink! maybe you missed that I made no real statement on Bannon other that if he was the worst one then that was not at all what some were assuming he would do.


what is more interesting was who didn't get one: now I do not think they should get one but no pardon for manning, sonwden or Assabge was a surprise.


but the best part is how some make up how he abused it when really he was light on its use.

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