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Reply #30 posted 01/26/21 3:44pm

Astasheiks

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uPtoWnNY said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Let's remember a few things here, although we're waxing philosophical:

1) none of us know what heaven is like or if it exists; I believe it does (at least I hope I'm right)

2) we don't know God or what God has set forth in heaven; anything the bible says is not even a vapor of the whole truth

3) there's a different between "can't do" and "don't have to worry about"

Once I started studing history(particularly ancient history) & science, I began to reject all the religious crap that was pounded into my head growing up. The men who wrote the bible had no knowledge of stars, galaxies, black holes, dinosaurs, prehistoric man, etc. They made up these stories to explain the world and to keep folks in line....to me, it's no different than Greek/Roman mythology or Aesop's fables. And if Moses did exist, he didn't get the 10 commandments from some pie-in-the-sky 'god' - he lifted them from the 42 Negative Confessions(in the Book of the Dead) when he lived in Egypt.

If 'god' does exist, it's playing a cruel trick on ppeople of color. All that hollering, testifying, praying and forgiving didn't stop Jim Crow & lynchings. But my people are still convinced 'god' gives a fuck about us.

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Reply #31 posted 01/26/21 4:17pm

lust

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IanRG said:



lust said:


IanRG said:


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The problem with any discussion on religion and theology here is it always becomes a place for the athiests to evangelise their beliefs instead of discussing the topic.


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It is a real shame.



Perhaps that’s fair. But then again if beliefs require the safety of an echo chamber without challenge then perhaps they are not as solid or worthwhile of holding in the first place!

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Agreed - but surely this is a different topic. Ultimately every topic exists within agreed assumptions



Yeah, that’s also fair. I feel that my first two replies qualified on that basis.
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Reply #32 posted 01/26/21 7:10pm

TrivialPursuit

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IanRG said:

TrivialPursuit said:


I suppose theological debates are for another time. My reply to the OP was simply to theorize and answer her question, from a Christian perspective.

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The problem with any discussion on religion and theology here is it always becomes a place for the athiests to evangelise their beliefs instead of discussing the topic.

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It is a real shame.


Anyone can voice a belief. People are going to believe what they want, and that's it, whether atheist, Christian or otherwise.

I was just presenting one POV, as was uptownny or anyone else. It's not a "is God real" thread. It's just a square one and then a question based on that.

People presenting different POV isn't a "problem" if the listener is firm in their own beliefs. It's when they're fragile or easily feel attacked that it's a problem for that person.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #33 posted 01/26/21 8:44pm

IanRG

TrivialPursuit said:

IanRG said:

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The problem with any discussion on religion and theology here is it always becomes a place for the athiests to evangelise their beliefs instead of discussing the topic.

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It is a real shame.


Anyone can voice a belief. People are going to believe what they want, and that's it, whether atheist, Christian or otherwise.

I was just presenting one POV, as was uptownny or anyone else. It's not a "is God real" thread. It's just a square one and then a question based on that.

People presenting different POV isn't a "problem" if the listener is firm in their own beliefs. It's when they're fragile or easily feel attacked that it's a problem for that person.

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Absolutely, but is was you who questioned why people stopped discussing this. All I did was point out what happens to religious threads here.

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Reply #34 posted 01/27/21 10:50am

TrivialPursuit

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Absolutely, but is was you who questioned why people stopped discussing this. All I did was point out what happens to religious threads here.


Where did I question why people stopped discussing this? Did I miss where I was trying to revitalize the thread? I said, twice, the OP's subject isn't theological debate of whether God exists. It's the assumption that God does exist as does Heaven and what one can or cannot do there. My answer to the OP was based in that assumption. It was someone else who came by with a "religion is bullshit" note. Which is fine, I never clapped back at that. It was their opinion.

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Reply #35 posted 01/27/21 11:22am

IanRG

TrivialPursuit said:

IanRG said:

Absolutely, but is was you who questioned why people stopped discussing this. All I did was point out what happens to religious threads here.


Where did I question why people stopped discussing this? Did I miss where I was trying to revitalize the thread? I said, twice, the OP's subject isn't theological debate of whether God exists. It's the assumption that God does exist as does Heaven and what one can or cannot do there. My answer to the OP was based in that assumption. It was someone else who came by with a "religion is bullshit" note. Which is fine, I never clapped back at that. It was their opinion.

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You seem to want an argument where we are agreeing.

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You twice stated that this is not a theological debate of whether God exists and this was my point as well.

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In other words, you were trying to bring the discussion back to the topic because people were no longer discussing it and this was what I was doing as well.

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Reply #36 posted 01/27/21 11:55am

TrivialPursuit

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IanRG said:

TrivialPursuit said:


Where did I question why people stopped discussing this? Did I miss where I was trying to revitalize the thread? I said, twice, the OP's subject isn't theological debate of whether God exists. It's the assumption that God does exist as does Heaven and what one can or cannot do there. My answer to the OP was based in that assumption. It was someone else who came by with a "religion is bullshit" note. Which is fine, I never clapped back at that. It was their opinion.

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You seem to want an argument where we are agreeing.


Not at all. Let's move on...

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #37 posted 01/27/21 1:34pm

IanRG

So to answer the question, it is assumed that there is a Heaven. But what does this mean?

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For most religions this means that God (or Gods) exist. An exception would generally be Buddhism but different forms of this can include Heaven as a transient state of being or a spiritual or different plain of existence eg through Taoist, Hindu or local adopted stories.

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Even within Christianity there are different heavens: The Kingdom of Heaven (or of God) on earth, Heaven and the New Heaven. Under the ancient Hebews the understanding of the Kingdom of Heaven was very different from what Jesus taught.

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There are different understandings of Heaven and these change what you would be able to do or not do in Heaven.

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Reply #38 posted 01/30/21 7:43am

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jfenster said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:
You can sin... Remember Lucifer sinned when he tried to take over and was cast out. [Edited 1/17/21 20:44pm]
Lucifer is not human....

if an angle can sin then so could a human...Of course based on the standard Bible people do not go to Heaven when they die. That concept is not Biblical.

I do like the idea that there would be things you would not need to do as opposed to things that you could not do.

But I reject the idea that one can not sin in Heaven.


as to not being able to tell others on Earth about heaven... if that was the case then there are many things you can not do... all in that same area...

so maybe a better answer is "you can't interact or communicate with those not in Heaven"

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Reply #39 posted 01/30/21 12:26pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Let's remember a few things here, although we're waxing philosophical:

1) none of us know what heaven is like or if it exists; I believe it does (at least I hope I'm right)

2) we don't know God or what God has set forth in heaven; anything the bible says is not even a vapor of the whole truth

3) there's a different between "can't do" and "don't have to worry about"

Once I started studing history(particularly ancient history) & science, I began to reject all the religious crap that was pounded into my head growing up. The men who wrote the bible had no knowledge of stars, galaxies, black holes, dinosaurs, prehistoric man, etc. They made up these stories to explain the world and to keep folks in line....to me, it's no different than Greek/Roman mythology or Aesop's fables. And if Moses did exist, he didn't get the 10 commandments from some pie-in-the-sky 'god' - he lifted them from the 42 Negative Confessions(in the Book of the Dead) when he lived in Egypt.

If 'god' does exist, it's playing a cruel trick on ppeople of color. All that hollering, testifying, praying and forgiving didn't stop Jim Crow & lynchings. But my people are still convinced 'god' gives a fuck about us.

[Edited 1/21/21 19:20pm]

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Reply #40 posted 01/30/21 1:56pm

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For all we know, we are living in Hell, on this Earth, right now.

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Reply #41 posted 01/30/21 2:06pm

TrivialPursuit

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PennyPurple said:

For all we know, we are living in Hell, on this Earth, right now.


Seems that way.

My former pastor, Carlton Pearson, started believing that and incorporating the doctrine of Inclusion into his message. He lost everything. The church, friends, his home (I think). He was labeled a heretic by Charisma magazine, and I think Dateline even did an expose on him. Luckily, I was already out of this church and the state, when that all went down.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #42 posted 01/30/21 6:13pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

PennyPurple said:

For all we know, we are living in Hell, on this Earth, right now.


Seems that way.

My former pastor, Carlton Pearson, started believing that and incorporating the doctrine of Inclusion into his message. He lost everything. The church, friends, his home (I think). He was labeled a heretic by Charisma magazine, and I think Dateline even did an expose on him. Luckily, I was already out of this church and the state, when that all went down.

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That is terrible. The damage that the far right has done to Christianity and Christ's teachings is so severe.

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Reply #43 posted 01/30/21 6:36pm

TrivialPursuit

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IanRG said:

That is terrible. The damage that the far right has done to Christianity and Christ's teachings is so severe.


I don't want to hijack the OP's thread, so I'll only say this on that: the right's biggest problem has always been that they think God is a Republican. It's vulgar how they blend religion and politics. And I'm a Christian saying this.

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Reply #44 posted 01/30/21 6:39pm

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PennyPurple said:

For all we know, we are living in Hell, on this Earth, right now.

seems like it now... at least the last 10 days

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Reply #45 posted 01/30/21 7:20pm

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This thread wasn't to discuss the existence of heaven....that's not for this thread
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Reply #46 posted 01/30/21 9:18pm

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jfenster said:

This thread wasn't to discuss the existence of heaven....that's not for this thread

But there can't be a discussion on 2 things u can't do in Heaven, when we don't even know if there is a Heaven.

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Reply #47 posted 01/30/21 9:57pm

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PennyPurple said:

jfenster said:

This thread wasn't to discuss the existence of heaven....that's not for this thread

But there can't be a discussion on 2 things u can't do in Heaven, when we don't even know if there is a Heaven.

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Or where we believe that Heaven exists but, other than some broad statements in the teaching by Jesus, we don't know what it is like.

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Reply #48 posted 01/30/21 10:21pm

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IanRG said:

PennyPurple said:

But there can't be a discussion on 2 things u can't do in Heaven, when we don't even know if there is a Heaven.

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Or where we believe that Heaven exists but, other than some broad statements in the teaching by Jesus, we don't know what it is like.

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^Why are Jesus' views reliable?

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Reply #49 posted 01/31/21 12:05am

IanRG

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IanRG said:

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Or where we believe that Heaven exists but, other than some broad statements in the teaching by Jesus, we don't know what it is like.

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^Why are Jesus' views reliable?

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Because within the parameters set by the OP and as I have discussed, any questions on the existence of Heaven is outside of this thread. This means that any questions on the existence of God are alos off topic.

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I have discussed Heaven from a Christian point of view, a Jewish point of view, a Mormon point of view, generally for most religions and by the different inclusions to Buddhism. In this Jesus as the God, the Son is prime source for Christians.

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Reply #50 posted 02/02/21 3:04pm

jfenster

All these negate heaven and God r just to further confuse the people on the fence
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Reply #51 posted 02/04/21 12:59pm

johnjames

Exist lol

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Reply #52 posted 02/06/21 1:44pm

AMERICA1ST

Not sure but I bet one is killing babies and justify it by callig it women's health rights.

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Reply #53 posted 02/06/21 3:27pm

TrivialPursuit

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Not sure but I bet one is killing babies and justify it by callig it women's health rights.


Don't you have a capital to storm or something? snowflake

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Reply #54 posted 02/06/21 4:56pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

AMERICA1ST said:

Not sure but I bet one is killing babies and justify it by callig it women's health rights.


Don't you have a capital to storm or something? snowflake

falloff lol

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Reply #55 posted 02/10/21 6:56pm

Margot

1. There will be no need to fight and fuss on Prince.org, there will be blissful agreement.

2. Probably no NBA...

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Reply #56 posted 02/17/21 4:16am

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2 things you can't do??

In the immortal words of those old tv shows.. Bitches and Hoes!!
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Reply #57 posted 02/20/21 1:57am

Purplegarden

1. Insult or attack God, Jesus, the Holy spirit or any celestial being ranking higher than yourself.

2. Harass other heavenites.

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However getting all groupie up in front of Prince is fine!

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Reply #58 posted 02/24/21 8:30pm

AMERICA1ST

1 Celebrate someone's death or wish bad things on someone due to politics

2 Wear a surgical mask

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