jfenster said:

I have the answer...I want to see what's said on here

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1 To be in Heaven is to be with God, so you cannot be without God,

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2 Make assumptions about Heaven and what the first point means.

Die?

be sad?

Be out of the presence of God.

Ever die again.

poop and Pee?

jfenster said:

According to Paul Heaven and Earth have to become one--a perfected earth. You do not go to heaven. The Bible does say the rich will have a hard time getting a ticket. I'd suspect an endless Prince concert with an endless keg and lotsa food.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Will right wingers get in?

2freaky4church1 said:

jfenster said:

I have the answer...I want to see what's said on here

1. Do it

2. Talk

Actually what are you refering to because of what Human does in the Flesh does on Earth as compare to be in the Spirit in Heaven I assume there are many many things that could be listed....???

Astasheiks said:

jfenster said:

I have the answer...I want to see what's said on here

1. Do it

2. Talk

Actually what are you refering to because of what Human does in the Flesh does on Earth as compare to be in the Spirit in Heaven I assume there are many many things that could be listed....???

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Heaps and heaps of different things all made up for by the different things you can do. No one on earth can know what these things are.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

poop and Pee?

That. It wouldn't be heaven if you had to go through this HELL all over again.

IanRG said:

Astasheiks said:

1. Do it

2. Talk

Actually what are you refering to because of what Human does in the Flesh does on Earth as compare to be in the Spirit in Heaven I assume there are many many things that could be listed....???

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Heaps and heaps of different things all made up for by the different things you can do. No one on earth can know what these things are.

Apparantly jfenster has been there and back...

Let's remember a few things here, although we're waxing philosophical:

1) none of us know what heaven is like or if it exists; I believe it does (at least I hope I'm right)

2) we don't know God or what God has set forth in heaven; anything the bible says is not even a vapor of the whole truth

3) there's a different between "can't do" and "don't have to worry about"

Because someone mentioned it, we won't have to worry about pooping and peeing in heaven, because if our bodies are made perfect then our bodies expelling waste is unnecessary. It's part of being imperfect. It's not something we have to concern ourselves with.

We're unable to sin in heaven because sin cannot abide in the presence of God. Our bodies, including our minds, are made perfect and secrets will have been revealed, so to sin or have the desire to sin is unable to reside in us. In our flesh, sin can abide. Sin can't abide in perfected bodies and minds. It's the human spiritual struggle on earth, isn't it?

We don't have to worry about dying because there is no death. Nor is there a reason to be sad. God is love, and if love is endless and abiding, and we're living in it then sadness cannot abide.

By the way, if you wanna be technical, the word does say that earth was made for man, heaven was made for God. So in eternity, humans will reside on a new earth, and God in a new heaven. Of course, God's presence is everywhere, so even on a new earth, God's presence is forever with us, we'll abide with him in that regard; no separation. Man's always had dominion over the earth, including a new earth.

You wanna know what really tweaks my brain? All the heaven stuff aside or whatever, to just consider the idea of eternity, that time doesn't exist, and we would just exist forever in a place where we never get old and are always in joy... that's amazing. Try to visual what eternity would be. I think of an imagine of clouds, and you can see no horizon no end to it. It just goes and goes and never ever ends. Doesn't "seems like it won't end," but truly never ends. That flips me out. I think our finite brains can't comprehend that anyway, which is where I get the block or the tweaked feeling. You can't even say "eternity is a long time," because the construct of time doesn't exist. God doesn't operate in the limits of time, so God only knows eternity. Blows me away to think of the concept of eternity.

TrivialPursuit said:

Let's remember a few things here, although we're waxing philosophical:

1) none of us know what heaven is like or if it exists; I believe it does (at least I hope I'm right)

2) we don't know God or what God has set forth in heaven; anything the bible says is not even a vapor of the whole truth

3) there's a different between "can't do" and "don't have to worry about"

Once I started studing history(particularly ancient history) & science, I began to reject all the religious crap that was pounded into my head growing up. The men who wrote the bible had no knowledge of stars, galaxies, black holes, dinosaurs, prehistoric man, etc. They made up these stories to explain the world and to keep folks in line....to me, it's no different than Greek/Roman mythology or Aesop's fables. And if Moses did exist, he didn't get the 10 commandments from some pie-in-the-sky 'god' - he lifted them from the 42 Negative Confessions(in the Book of the Dead) when he lived in Egypt.

If 'god' does exist, it's playing a cruel trick on ppeople of color. All that hollering, testifying, praying and forgiving didn't stop Jim Crow & lynchings. But my people are still convinced 'god' gives a fuck about us.

[Edited 1/21/21 19:20pm]

uPtoWnNY said:

onlyforaminute said:

Well since we can have infinite amounts of universes and a bunch of unknowable dimensions. I say options are opened on what is possible. Who the heck are we to put finite perimeters on the infinite.

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True - this echoes what was said by a Pope in the 13th Century where he postulated that we cannot restrict God and God's creation to one universe and 3 dimensions. And the Mormon thought that people can become the God of their own universe.

lust said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Once I started studing history(particularly ancient history) & science, I began to reject all the religious crap that was pounded into my head growing up. The men who wrote the bible had no knowledge of stars, galaxies, black holes, dinosaurs, prehistoric man, etc. They made up these stories to explain the world and to keep folks in line....to me, it's no different than Greek/Roman mythology or Aesop's fables. And if Moses did exist, he didn't get the 10 commandments from some pie-in-the-sky 'god' - he lifted them from the 42 Negative Confessions(in the Book of the Dead) when he lived in Egypt.

If 'god' does exist, it's playing a cruel trick on ppeople of color. All that hollering, testifying, praying and forgiving didn't stop Jim Crow & lynchings. But my people are still convinced 'god' gives a fuck about us.

[Edited 1/21/21 19:20pm]

Amen!

George Carlin said it best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE

uPtoWnNY said:

IanRG said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Pete Enns, why I am not an atheist:

https://www.youtube.com/w...sFvAX189hg

uPtoWnNY said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Let's remember a few things here, although we're waxing philosophical:

1) none of us know what heaven is like or if it exists; I believe it does (at least I hope I'm right)

2) we don't know God or what God has set forth in heaven; anything the bible says is not even a vapor of the whole truth

3) there's a different between "can't do" and "don't have to worry about"

Once I started studing history(particularly ancient history) & science, I began to reject all the religious crap that was pounded into my head growing up. The men who wrote the bible had no knowledge of stars, galaxies, black holes, dinosaurs, prehistoric man, etc. They made up these stories to explain the world and to keep folks in line....to me, it's no different than Greek/Roman mythology or Aesop's fables. And if Moses did exist, he didn't get the 10 commandments from some pie-in-the-sky 'god' - he lifted them from the 42 Negative Confessions(in the Book of the Dead) when he lived in Egypt.

If 'god' does exist, it's playing a cruel trick on ppeople of color. All that hollering, testifying, praying and forgiving didn't stop Jim Crow & lynchings. But my people are still convinced 'god' gives a fuck about us.

I suppose theological debates are for another time. My reply to the OP was simply to theorize and answer her question, from a Christian perspective.

TrivialPursuit said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Once I started studing history(particularly ancient history) & science, I began to reject all the religious crap that was pounded into my head growing up. The men who wrote the bible had no knowledge of stars, galaxies, black holes, dinosaurs, prehistoric man, etc. They made up these stories to explain the world and to keep folks in line....to me, it's no different than Greek/Roman mythology or Aesop's fables. And if Moses did exist, he didn't get the 10 commandments from some pie-in-the-sky 'god' - he lifted them from the 42 Negative Confessions(in the Book of the Dead) when he lived in Egypt.

If 'god' does exist, it's playing a cruel trick on ppeople of color. All that hollering, testifying, praying and forgiving didn't stop Jim Crow & lynchings. But my people are still convinced 'god' gives a fuck about us.

I suppose theological debates are for another time. My reply to the OP was simply to theorize and answer her question, from a Christian perspective.

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The problem with any discussion on religion and theology here is it always becomes a place for the athiests to evangelise their beliefs instead of discussing the topic.

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It is a real shame.

IanRG said:

lust said:

IanRG said:

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The problem with any discussion on religion and theology here is it always becomes a place for the athiests to evangelise their beliefs instead of discussing the topic.

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It is a real shame.

Perhaps that’s fair. But then again if beliefs require the safety of an echo chamber without challenge then perhaps they are not as solid or worthwhile of holding in the first place!

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Agreed - but surely this is a different topic. Ultimately every topic exists within agreed assumptions