Just a little WoW moments...Waaaayyy too often people who think they are 'doing good' think pity and projecting a victim mentality on certain people is a good thing.

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voter ID laws are a way to perpetuate racism

minorities are less likely to have state ids

these type of people don't live in areas with easy access to DMVs or other places to get identifications

you have to have access to the internet and be able to pay an internet serv. provider

they don't have the knowledge of how it works

have smart phone but don't have data

for most of the community they are not aware or not informed

...how if you're a convicted felon... swing states like Florida is a huge population of Black voters...

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https://youtu.be/3JGmKHrWKMQ

https://youtu.be/zorEMP8GxBA

SNIP - Of4$

If your actions make the Moderators' job more difficult, it hurts the community. Participating in this site is a privilege, not a right—

[Edited 1/15/21 3:17am]

I have noticed this kind of stratagy for decades.

Not a liberal but am I actually supposed to believe that editing a video so everyone agrees with your point is in some way an unedited truth? Oh look, all the white people come across as smug, elitist, out of touch clowns and all the black people as authentic real America types who agree with the presenter. On Fox News of all places! I'm sure that just happened naturally

My thoughts are, sure, make people show ID to vote, but also make getting an ID cost-free and easy to access. We'll see how behind ID cards libertarian Republicans really are when they are forced to get state ID themselves.

You don't need ID to vote here although I think you have to have some kind of documentation if challenged. I've always brought ID and never been challenged, but then again the time between getting to where I vote and the time I actually vote here is all of 20 seconds... when I see the queues in America.... it's shocking that people allow it.

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That book has been widely debunked.

v10letblues said:

SNIP - Of4$

If your actions make the Moderators' job more difficult, it hurts the community. Participating in this site is a privilege, not a right—

[Edited 1/15/21 3:17am]

SNIP - of4$

find something better to do with your time
Under no circumstance attempt to start a 'debate' about specific moderation decisions in a public forum.

of course I don't tar brush everyone, and I know Malcom is coming from a specific belief or mindset that this particular point in his time, but...


Malcolm X : White Liberal... - YouTube

The white Liberal differs from the white Conservative

only in one way.

The liberal is more deceitful,

more hypocritical,

than the Conservative

Both want power,

but the white Liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as

the negros friend and benefactor.

And by winning the friendship

and support of the negro,

the white Liberal has been able to use the negro

as a pawn or a weapon,

in this political football game that is constantly raging between the white

Liberals and the white Conservatives.

The American negro is nothign but a political football.

And the white Liberals control this ball through tricks or tokenism,

false promises of intergration and civil rights.

In this game of deceiving and using the American negro

the white Liberals have complete cooporation

of the negro civil rights leader who sell

our people out for a few crumbs of token recognition

token games token progress...

How do you magically succeed if you are not being helped? Makes no sense. This goes with the racist trope that blacks are more on welfare. Not true. Actually America has a very mean welfare system, in places like Norway and Finland there are almost no poor people.

Martin Gilens has a good book, how welfare became black. The trope is racist. Jason is fronting the racists too. Also, liberals here tend to believe lies about welfare too. Right wing propagana works.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Since I lived in the People's Republic of Berkeley(huge liberal stonghold) for so long this is what I observed.

Berkeley is very diverse but segregated w/ most of the liberal elite leaders and others living

in the really breath-takingly beautiful Berkely hills in 2-3 million dollar homes built by famous architects, ie., Julia Morgan w/ amazing 180 degree views of the Bay. Only the best...

Very few lived in the 'flats' which is where many Black folks live.

I would encounter these libs in grocery stores where they would run you over w/ their carts, @ the city pool (my poor daughter worked @ the pool and told me stories of their entitled behavior), driving etc.

These were some of the rudest, most demanding of people, BUT, when encountering a Black person, they would become speechless and fawning and ever so in awe...virtue signalling to the hilt.

Many, IMO, were hypocrites of the first order. The Liberal Elite is an accurate name.

Most are well-educated, come from leafy suburbs, have spent NO time in other less genteel neighborhoods, and, 'they always know best'

This is the Berkeley version of the breed, likely more annoying than liberals in other places.

[Edited 2/14/21 17:18pm]

[Edited 2/14/21 17:26pm]

Margot said:

Since I lived in the People's Republic of Berkeley(huge liberal stonghold) for so long this is what I observed.

Berkeley is very diverse but segregated w/ most of the liberal elite leaders and others living

in the really breath-takingly beautiful Berkely hills in 2-3 million dollar homes built by famous architects, ie., Julia Morgan w/ amazing 180 degree views of the Bay. Only the best...

Very few lived in the 'flats' which is where many Black folks live.

I would encounter these libs in grocery stores where they would run you over w/ their carts, @ the city pool (my poor daughter worked @ the pool and told me stories of their entitled behavior), driving etc.

These were some of the rudest, most demanding of people, BUT, when encountering a Black person, they would become speechless and fawning and ever so in awe...virtue signalling to the hilt.

Many, IMO, were hypocrites of the first order. The Liberal Elite is an accurate name.

Most are well-educated, come from leafy suburbs, have spent NO time in other less genteel neighborhoods, and, 'they always know best'

This is the Berkeley version of the breed, likely more annoying than liberals in other places.

[Edited 2/14/21 17:18pm]

[Edited 2/14/21 17:26pm]

What you write here is not something I necessarily disagree with ...

I think the majority of White people-no matter their political persuasion- dislike and fear the black "underclass" (And as you yourself said in another thread, most Whites are essentially unable or unwilling to discern the difference between a black ghetto thug and the overwhelming amount of Black people who are decent law abiding citizens, and especially to discern class and cultural and educational differences amongst Black people)

But I have said this before, and will repeat it again here, that there are some differences between how White liberals and White conservatives GENERALLY view Black (and Latino ) people :

White liberals absolutely LOVE Black people and Latinos who have achieved through what they believe to be the meritocracy of higher education and corporate culture. I refer to folks such as Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Sonia Sotomayor, the Castro brothers, Alexadria Ocasio-Cortez, Deval Patrick, and especially Michelle and Barack Obama. These are the minorities that White liberals can point to as proof that American society is not completely racist, and as "role models for their people".

White Conservatives, on the other hand , generally dislike most Black and Latino people . And they especially DISLIKE high achieving minorities like the ones I mentioned above. (In my experience, a lot of White people are particularly hostile to a Black person who is "above" or "better" than them). The ONLY minorities that White conservatives like are those that are completely alienated from their own culture, and the concerns of the majority of their own people. You constantly hear White conservatives talk about those Blacks who "Think for themselves". The Blacks and latinos I'm talking about here are people like Candice Owens, Clarence Thomas, David Clarke, Mia Love, and Raphael Ted Cruz.

[Edited 2/14/21 21:18pm]

Re:white people being unable or unwilling to discern the difference between thugs and others. What I said was that many white people do not have that much real contact w/the black community and therefore extrapolate because of that.

There is a wide swath of white people unaccounted for in your analysis. They are neither overtly liberal nor conservative and I think most of them are trying to understand and do better.

I particularly dislike the Berkeley or high-income 'strain' as they are often well-off, well-educated and speak with a loud voice. I would be very careful relying on this type for too much as they are supremely self-involved. Most of their days are filled w/acquisition; only the best wines, cars (Teslas are big), distinctive architecture, endless discussions about cuisine, travel, prestigious universities for their offspring, ad infinitum. All of this preening takes up the majority of their days.

Of course, they are usually very preachy, dogmatic, 'know best' and virtue signal to others to hide what they are really about. Unfortunately this group is overly represented in power positions; media execs, tech titans, university level professors, etc.

jjhunsecker said:

Margot said:

Since I lived in the People's Republic of Berkeley(huge liberal stonghold) for so long this is what I observed.

Berkeley is very diverse but segregated w/ most of the liberal elite leaders and others living

in the really breath-takingly beautiful Berkely hills in 2-3 million dollar homes built by famous architects, ie., Julia Morgan w/ amazing 180 degree views of the Bay. Only the best...

Very few lived in the 'flats' which is where many Black folks live.

I would encounter these libs in grocery stores where they would run you over w/ their carts, @ the city pool (my poor daughter worked @ the pool and told me stories of their entitled behavior), driving etc.

These were some of the rudest, most demanding of people, BUT, when encountering a Black person, they would become speechless and fawning and ever so in awe...virtue signalling to the hilt.

Many, IMO, were hypocrites of the first order. The Liberal Elite is an accurate name.

Most are well-educated, come from leafy suburbs, have spent NO time in other less genteel neighborhoods, and, 'they always know best'

This is the Berkeley version of the breed, likely more annoying than liberals in other places.

[Edited 2/14/21 17:18pm]

[Edited 2/14/21 17:26pm]

What you write here is not something I necessarily disagree with ...

I think the majority of White people-no matter their political persuasion- dislike and fear the black "underclass" (And as you yourself said in another thread, most Whites are essentially unable or unwilling to discern the difference between a black ghetto thug and the overwhelming amount of Black people who are decent law abiding citizens, and especially to discern class and cultural and educational differences amongst Black people)

But I have said this before, and will repeat it again here, that there are some differences between how White liberals and White conservatives GENERALLY view Black (and Latino ) people :

White liberals absolutely LOVE Black people and Latinos who have achieved through what they believe to be the meritocracy of higher education and corporate culture. I refer to folks such as Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Sonia Sotomayor, the Castro brothers, Alexadria Ocasio-Cortez, Deval Patrick, and especially Michelle and Barack Obama. These are the minorities that White liberals can point to as proof that American society is not completely racist, and as "role models for their people".

White Conservatives, on the other hand , generally dislike most Black and Latino people . And they especially DISLIKE high achieving minorities like the ones I mentioned above. (In my experience, a lot of White people are particularly hostile to a Black person who is "above" or "better" than them). The ONLY minorities that White conservatives like are those that are completely alienated from their own culture, and the concerns of the majority of their own people. You constantly hear White conservatives talk about those Blacks who "Think for themselves". The Blacks and latinos I'm talking about here are people like Candice Owens, Clarence Thomas, David Clarke, Mia Love, and Raphael Ted Cruz.

[Edited 2/14/21 21:18pm]

jjhunsecker said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

of course I don't tar brush everyone, and I know Malcom is coming from a specific belief or mindset that this particular point in his time, but...


Malcolm X : White Liberal... - YouTube

The white Liberal differs from the white Conservative

only in one way.

The liberal is more deceitful,

more hypocritical,

than the Conservative

Both want power,

but the white Liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as

the negros friend and benefactor.

And by winning the friendship

and support of the negro,

the white Liberal has been able to use the negro

as a pawn or a weapon,

in this political football game that is constantly raging between the white

Liberals and the white Conservatives.

The American negro is nothign but a political football.

And the white Liberals control this ball through tricks or tokenism,

false promises of intergration and civil rights.

In this game of deceiving and using the American negro

the white Liberals have complete cooporation

of the negro civil rights leader who sell

our people out for a few crumbs of token recognition

token games token progress...

Malcolm X at that time believed that ALL White people were evil and racist, and that NO White person- of any political stripe- could be trusted by non-Whites. He considered White people to be “Devils “ Are you telling us that you agree with that perspective? That every single White person harbors unrelenting racial animus, and must be considered the enemy? Is this a viewpoint that you personally share?

I think Malcolm X was on to something in that top Liberal leadership is deceitful, wants power but cloaks it in a way that 'makes people feel good' and also makes them look like they care.

I think they actively promise so they can garner votes.

Extreme Conservatives are horrible too.

There is a middle group who are more sincere but not represented well.

Margot said:

jjhunsecker said:

OldFriends4Sale said: Malcolm X at that time believed that ALL White people were evil and racist, and that NO White person- of any political stripe- could be trusted by non-Whites. He considered White people to be “Devils “ Are you telling us that you agree with that perspective? That every single White person harbors unrelenting racial animus, and must be considered the enemy? Is this a viewpoint that you personally share?

I think Malcolm X was on to something in that top Liberal leadership is deceitful, wants power but cloaks it in a way that 'makes people feel good' and also makes them look like they care.

I think they actively promise so they can garner votes.

Extreme Conservatives are horrible too.

There is a middle group who are more sincere but not represented well.

What Malcolm was saying here is that ALL White people are to be distrusted, whether they call themselves "liberal" or "conservative". That was the view that he held at that time.

Margot said:

Re:white people being unable or unwilling to discern the difference between thugs and others. What I said was that many white people do not have that much real contact w/the black community and therefore extrapolate because of that.

There is a wide swath of white people unaccounted for in your analysis. They are neither overtly liberal nor conservative and I think most of them are trying to understand and do better.

I particularly dislike the Berkeley or high-income 'strain' as they are often well-off, well-educated and speak with a loud voice. I would be very careful relying on this type for too much as they are supremely self-involved. Most of their days are filled w/acquisition; only the best wines, cars (Teslas are big), distinctive architecture, endless discussions about cuisine, travel, prestigious universities for their offspring, ad infinitum. All of this preening takes up the majority of their days.

Of course, they are usually very preachy, dogmatic, 'know best' and virtue signal to others to hide what they are really about. Unfortunately this group is overly represented in power positions; media execs, tech titans, university level professors, etc.

jjhunsecker said:

What you write here is not something I necessarily disagree with ...

I think the majority of White people-no matter their political persuasion- dislike and fear the black "underclass" (And as you yourself said in another thread, most Whites are essentially unable or unwilling to discern the difference between a black ghetto thug and the overwhelming amount of Black people who are decent law abiding citizens, and especially to discern class and cultural and educational differences amongst Black people)

But I have said this before, and will repeat it again here, that there are some differences between how White liberals and White conservatives GENERALLY view Black (and Latino ) people :

White liberals absolutely LOVE Black people and Latinos who have achieved through what they believe to be the meritocracy of higher education and corporate culture. I refer to folks such as Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Sonia Sotomayor, the Castro brothers, Alexadria Ocasio-Cortez, Deval Patrick, and especially Michelle and Barack Obama. These are the minorities that White liberals can point to as proof that American society is not completely racist, and as "role models for their people".

White Conservatives, on the other hand , generally dislike most Black and Latino people . And they especially DISLIKE high achieving minorities like the ones I mentioned above. (In my experience, a lot of White people are particularly hostile to a Black person who is "above" or "better" than them). The ONLY minorities that White conservatives like are those that are completely alienated from their own culture, and the concerns of the majority of their own people. You constantly hear White conservatives talk about those Blacks who "Think for themselves". The Blacks and latinos I'm talking about here are people like Candice Owens, Clarence Thomas, David Clarke, Mia Love, and Raphael Ted Cruz.

[Edited 2/14/21 21:18pm]

BOLDED bit: What this really means is that many White people are very willing to stereotype and label all Black people in a negative fashion. They make no effort to understand the history and culture, or even get to know individuals. In the original thread, you said that I "would not be happy to her this", but really, it just confirms a lot of my long held beliefs based on my life experiences, and that of friends, family, and even other Black people I don't even know personally. That type of ignorance has caused a lot of pain and suffering in the black community, and has probably fostered a good deal self-stereotyping and negative reinforcement as well.

And the type of people you're talking about in Berkeley are simply displaying a lot of the behavior exhibited by wealthy people all over America. In many ways very similar to extremely wealthy people in say, Dallas or Phoenix- except there the rich are "Conservatives". So the behavior that you're describing is basically that of rich White people of almost any political stripe. You just happen to be around the ones in Berkeley who consider themselves "liberal"

The difference w/Berkeley libs is that they don't admit to their materialism/wealth-seeking which makes them hypocrites. There is more deceit.

I know you've talked about your frustration about white people not discerning well. I think there is hope w/younger people as it seems they have more exposure, are better informed and less prejudiced about a number of issues. I can see it in my daughter and her friends.

I have had more exposure than most as you may remember but I have to say it was pretty rough though I was in a transitional neighborhood and was likely not welcome.

jjhunsecker said:

Margot said:

Re:white people being unable or unwilling to discern the difference between thugs and others. What I said was that many white people do not have that much real contact w/the black community and therefore extrapolate because of that.

There is a wide swath of white people unaccounted for in your analysis. They are neither overtly liberal nor conservative and I think most of them are trying to understand and do better.

I particularly dislike the Berkeley or high-income 'strain' as they are often well-off, well-educated and speak with a loud voice. I would be very careful relying on this type for too much as they are supremely self-involved. Most of their days are filled w/acquisition; only the best wines, cars (Teslas are big), distinctive architecture, endless discussions about cuisine, travel, prestigious universities for their offspring, ad infinitum. All of this preening takes up the majority of their days.

Of course, they are usually very preachy, dogmatic, 'know best' and virtue signal to others to hide what they are really about. Unfortunately this group is overly represented in power positions; media execs, tech titans, university level professors, etc.

BOLDED bit: What this really means is that many White people are very willing to stereotype and label all Black people in a negative fashion. They make no effort to understand the history and culture, or even get to know individuals. In the original thread, you said that I "would not be happy to her this", but really, it just confirms a lot of my long held beliefs based on my life experiences, and that of friends, family, and even other Black people I don't even know personally. That type of ignorance has caused a lot of pain and suffering in the black community, and has probably fostered a good deal self-stereotyping and negative reinforcement as well.

And the type of people you're talking about in Berkeley are simply displaying a lot of the behavior exhibited by wealthy people all over America. In many ways very similar to extremely wealthy people in say, Dallas or Phoenix- except there the rich are "Conservatives". So the behavior that you're describing is basically that of rich White people of almost any political stripe. You just happen to be around the ones in Berkeley who consider themselves "liberal"

Margot said:

The difference w/Berkeley libs is that they don't admit to their materialism/wealth-seeking which makes them hypocrites. There is more deceit.

I know you've talked about your frustration about white people not discerning well. I think there is hope w/younger people as it seems they have more exposure, are better informed and less prejudiced about a number of issues. I can see it in my daughter and her friends.

I have had more exposure than most as you may remember but I have to say it was pretty rough though I was in a transitional neighborhood and was likely not welcome.

jjhunsecker said:

BOLDED bit: What this really means is that many White people are very willing to stereotype and label all Black people in a negative fashion. They make no effort to understand the history and culture, or even get to know individuals. In the original thread, you said that I "would not be happy to her this", but really, it just confirms a lot of my long held beliefs based on my life experiences, and that of friends, family, and even other Black people I don't even know personally. That type of ignorance has caused a lot of pain and suffering in the black community, and has probably fostered a good deal self-stereotyping and negative reinforcement as well.

And the type of people you're talking about in Berkeley are simply displaying a lot of the behavior exhibited by wealthy people all over America. In many ways very similar to extremely wealthy people in say, Dallas or Phoenix- except there the rich are "Conservatives". So the behavior that you're describing is basically that of rich White people of almost any political stripe. You just happen to be around the ones in Berkeley who consider themselves "liberal"

I agree...SOME of the White "liberals" are more hypocritical about their greed and bigotry. White "conservatives" don't even pretend to hide it.

I will say this though- at least the White Liberals acknowledge that racism and discrimination and bias actually exist. Many White Conservatives are in complete denial about those things, and often try to "blame the victim'

[Edited 2/15/21 15:43pm]

[Edited 2/15/21 20:39pm]

jjhunsecker said:

Margot said:

The difference w/Berkeley libs is that they don't admit to their materialism/wealth-seeking which makes them hypocrites. There is more deceit.

I know you've talked about your frustration about white people not discerning well. I think there is hope w/younger people as it seems they have more exposure, are better informed and less prejudiced about a number of issues. I can see it in my daughter and her friends.

I have had more exposure than most as you may remember but I have to say it was pretty rough though I was in a transitional neighborhood and was likely not welcome.

I agree...SOME of the White "liberals" are more hypocritical about their greed and bigotry. White "conservatives" don't even pretend to hide it

[Edited 2/15/21 15:43pm]

....and to quote my hero Malcolm, I prefer to know who I'm dealing with over someone who shakes my hand, smiles in my face and calls me n***** behind my back.

There's a lot of 'deceit' here in so-called 'progressive' NYC....when it comes to segregated neighborhoods & schools, we're near the top of the list.

uPtoWnNY said:

jjhunsecker said:

I agree...SOME of the White "liberals" are more hypocritical about their greed and bigotry. White "conservatives" don't even pretend to hide it

[Edited 2/15/21 15:43pm]

....and to quote my hero Malcolm, I prefer to know who I'm dealing with over someone who shakes my hand, smiles in my face and calls me n***** behind my back.

There's a lot of 'deceit' here in so-called 'progressive' NYC....when it comes to segregated neighborhoods & schools, we're near the top of the list.

NYC was never that "progressive"- maybe some parts were, like the East Village or maybe the Upper West Side....but other areas might as well have been Selma or Birmingham.

Did you get a chance to see the documentary about the Yusef Hawkins murder in Bensonhurst Brooklyn on HBO ? It took me right back to those days as a young man growing up in the city

It's the liberal elite leadership, the ones who are the decision-makers whom I find most eggregious.

I always get the impression they are deceitful and looking to shore up a voter block.

Your average white liberal is likely trying to do right.

Margot said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I have noticed this kind of stratagy for decades.

So have I...and it makes me embarrassed to be black in America. We reached a new low with the way white liberals and Joe Biden have exploited black people. They just will not wake up.

[Edited 2/19/21 18:43pm]

AMERICA1ST said: