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Who Exactly Is THE Leader Of Antifa?!?

THIS is one question that has yet to be answered. hmmm If Antifa is supposed to be the blame for having "agents" playing BLM, Proud Boys, and/or just plain die-hard Trump supporters on all sides, then who in the hell is calling the shots within the mysterious controversial organization?

[Edited 1/9/21 23:40pm]

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Reply #1 posted 01/10/21 12:04am

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TonyVanDam said:

THIS is one question that has yet to be answered. hmmm If Antifa is supposed to be the blame for having "agents" playing BLM, Proud Boys, and/or just plain die-hard Trump supporters on all sides, then who in the hell is calling the shots within the mysterious controversial organization?

[Edited 1/9/21 23:40pm]

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That is just the point.

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If the people supporting the failed coup benefit by pretending their violence was by not by them but by the boogieman, the boogieman does not need to exist, let alone have a leader.

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Reply #2 posted 01/10/21 6:29am

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It is ridiculous to suggest the capital mob was antifa or blm... it is also ridiculous to ignore that what was a scary brief event is worst than the weeks of total take overs and actual occupation of Portland and Seattle both of which were supported at least as much by some left wing elected officials as was the jan 6 event.

oh and anyone that thinks it is ok (Or even legal) for several big tech companies to try to shut down a site like Parlor you are making a hugh error. I can see the reaction of glee... but no matter what you THINK about them this is bad for YOU. And it is a violation of the law. There is a line that has been crossed and this is not going to end well for the likes of Amazon, Apple...ect. It may just end in civil cases (and they have a case and will very likely win).

If you do not defended some speech you abhor then you do NOT support free speech.
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

It is ridiculous to suggest the capital mob was antifa or blm... it is also ridiculous to ignore that what was a scary brief event is worst than the weeks of total take overs and actual occupation of Portland and Seattle both of which were supported at least as much by some left wing elected officials as was the jan 6 event.

oh and anyone that thinks it is ok (Or even legal) for several big tech companies to try to shut down a site like Parlor you are making a hugh error. I can see the reaction of glee... but no matter what you THINK about them this is bad for YOU. And it is a violation of the law. There is a line that has been crossed and this is not going to end well for the likes of Amazon, Apple...ect. It may just end in civil cases (and they have a case and will very likely win).

Nope, Nope, Nope. Parler still exists but these company's have taken the app off of their site. These company's can do anything they want with the apps that they support or don't support.


As far as twitter goes, they can ban anyone for anything, people sign the regulations when they sign up for it, just as we do on this site.


If this site is allowed to ban members, then why do you think that Twitter, FB, Instagram, Snapchat or any of the others don't have the same right?

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Reply #4 posted 01/10/21 6:48am

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TonyVanDam said:

THIS is one question that has yet to be answered. hmmm If Antifa is supposed to be the blame for having "agents" playing BLM, Proud Boys, and/or just plain die-hard Trump supporters on all sides, then who in the hell is calling the shots within the mysterious controversial organization?

[Edited 1/9/21 23:40pm]

Antifa, BLM didn't have anything to do with what happened in the Capitol the other day. It was strictly Trump's MAGA people who are also Qanon, who did all that. Trump held a rally 1 mile away, where they called for violence, several speakers at the rally also called for violence. Trump sent them to the Capitol and told them he would be there with them...he of course was not, he was hiding in the bunker.


Don't believe the fake news. Look at the videos, hear the videos, and your eyes and ears will tell you the truth.

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Reply #5 posted 01/10/21 6:52am

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PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

It is ridiculous to suggest the capital mob was antifa or blm... it is also ridiculous to ignore that what was a scary brief event is worst than the weeks of total take overs and actual occupation of Portland and Seattle both of which were supported at least as much by some left wing elected officials as was the jan 6 event.

oh and anyone that thinks it is ok (Or even legal) for several big tech companies to try to shut down a site like Parlor you are making a hugh error. I can see the reaction of glee... but no matter what you THINK about them this is bad for YOU. And it is a violation of the law. There is a line that has been crossed and this is not going to end well for the likes of Amazon, Apple...ect. It may just end in civil cases (and they have a case and will very likely win).

Nope, Nope, Nope. Parler still exists but these company's have taken the app off of their site. These company's can do anything they want with the apps that they support or don't support.


As far as twitter goes, they can ban anyone for anything, people sign the regulations when they sign up for it, just as we do on this site.


If this site is allowed to ban members, then why do you think that Twitter, FB, Instagram, Snapchat or any of the others don't have the same right?

you are behind it seems. and do not know the law.

If you do not defended some speech you abhor then you do NOT support free speech.
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Reply #6 posted 01/10/21 7:41am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

It is ridiculous to suggest the capital mob was antifa or blm... it is also ridiculous to ignore that what was a scary brief event is worst than the weeks of total take overs and actual occupation of Portland and Seattle both of which were supported at least as much by some left wing elected officials as was the jan 6 event.

oh and anyone that thinks it is ok (Or even legal) for several big tech companies to try to shut down a site like Parlor you are making a hugh error. I can see the reaction of glee... but no matter what you THINK about them this is bad for YOU. And it is a violation of the law. There is a line that has been crossed and this is not going to end well for the likes of Amazon, Apple...ect. It may just end in civil cases (and they have a case and will very likely win).


Are you angry because you can’t visit that site, and pissed because those companies are extremely concerned about the threats and extreme hatred that site promotes? They are smart to take precautions and don’t want to be held responsible for allowing them to promote that kind of evil.

It’s not too bad for us, it’s too bad for the right wingers who participate in such an extreme, hate site. They can’t get their daily dose of brain candy now. You can bet the FBI and other LE agencies are aware of the people who frequent that site.
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Reply #7 posted 01/10/21 7:44am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



PennyPurple said:




OnlyNDaUsa said:


It is ridiculous to suggest the capital mob was antifa or blm... it is also ridiculous to ignore that what was a scary brief event is worst than the weeks of total take overs and actual occupation of Portland and Seattle both of which were supported at least as much by some left wing elected officials as was the jan 6 event.

oh and anyone that thinks it is ok (Or even legal) for several big tech companies to try to shut down a site like Parlor you are making a hugh error. I can see the reaction of glee... but no matter what you THINK about them this is bad for YOU. And it is a violation of the law. There is a line that has been crossed and this is not going to end well for the likes of Amazon, Apple...ect. It may just end in civil cases (and they have a case and will very likely win).



Nope, Nope, Nope. Parler still exists but these company's have taken the app off of their site. These company's can do anything they want with the apps that they support or don't support.



As far as twitter goes, they can ban anyone for anything, people sign the regulations when they sign up for it, just as we do on this site.



If this site is allowed to ban members, then why do you think that Twitter, FB, Instagram, Snapchat or any of the others don't have the same right?




you are behind it seems. and do not know the law.


Penny is right. They violated the terms of their agreement. Those big tech companies have a right to get rid of apps they see as a threat to their company or the country.
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Reply #8 posted 01/10/21 7:55am

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2elijah said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

It is ridiculous to suggest the capital mob was antifa or blm... it is also ridiculous to ignore that what was a scary brief event is worst than the weeks of total take overs and actual occupation of Portland and Seattle both of which were supported at least as much by some left wing elected officials as was the jan 6 event.

oh and anyone that thinks it is ok (Or even legal) for several big tech companies to try to shut down a site like Parlor you are making a hugh error. I can see the reaction of glee... but no matter what you THINK about them this is bad for YOU. And it is a violation of the law. There is a line that has been crossed and this is not going to end well for the likes of Amazon, Apple...ect. It may just end in civil cases (and they have a case and will very likely win).

Are you angry because you can’t visit that site, and pissed because those companies are extremely concerned about the threats and extreme hatred that site promotes? They are smart to take precautions and don’t want to be held responsible for allowing them to promote that kind of evil.

It’s not too bad for us, it’s too bad for the right wingers who participate in such an extreme, hate site. They can’t get their daily dose of brain candy now. You can bet the FBI and other LE agencies are aware of the people who frequent that site.

1) no I do care one way or the other about that site. what i do care about is the free exchange of ideas. they will be sued and they will likely lose.

2) you will care...

If you do not defended some speech you abhor then you do NOT support free speech.
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Reply #9 posted 01/10/21 8:32am

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TonyVanDam said:

THIS is one question that has yet to be answered. hmmm If Antifa is supposed to be the blame for having "agents" playing BLM, Proud Boys, and/or just plain die-hard Trump supporters on all sides, then who in the hell is calling the shots within the mysterious controversial organization?

[Edited 1/9/21 23:40pm]

I believe you sorta hinted at things last year. And maybe so did I. But there definately is per$on$ calling the shots.

People want to simplify things, because they don't want to believe that people can actually make moves that can alter narratives and situations.

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2elijah said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

It is ridiculous to suggest the capital mob was antifa or blm... it is also ridiculous to ignore that what was a scary brief event is worst than the weeks of total take overs and actual occupation of Portland and Seattle both of which were supported at least as much by some left wing elected officials as was the jan 6 event.

oh and anyone that thinks it is ok (Or even legal) for several big tech companies to try to shut down a site like Parlor you are making a hugh error. I can see the reaction of glee... but no matter what you THINK about them this is bad for YOU. And it is a violation of the law. There is a line that has been crossed and this is not going to end well for the likes of Amazon, Apple...ect. It may just end in civil cases (and they have a case and will very likely win).


Are you angry because you can’t visit that site, and pissed because those companies are extremely concerned about the threats and extreme hatred that site promotes? They are smart to take precautions and don’t want to be held responsible for allowing them to promote that kind of evil.

It’s not too bad for us, it’s too bad for the right wingers who participate in such an extreme, hate site. They can’t get their daily dose of brain candy now. You can bet the FBI and other LE agencies are aware of the people who frequent that site.


Does he (and others like him) not realize that Facebook and Apple and Twitter and Amazon are PRIVATE BUSINESSES, and they can decide the rules of their business and their choice of who to associate with. That’s called the CAPITALIST SYSTEM
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Paranoid conspiracy mongering
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Reply #12 posted 01/10/21 8:46am

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IanRG said:



TonyVanDam said:


THIS is one question that has yet to be answered. hmmm If Antifa is supposed to be the blame for having "agents" playing BLM, Proud Boys, and/or just plain die-hard Trump supporters on all sides, then who in the hell is calling the shots within the mysterious controversial organization?


[Edited 1/9/21 23:40pm]



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That is just the point.


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If the people supporting the failed coup benefit by pretending their violence was by not by them but by the boogieman, the boogieman does not need to exist, let alone have a leader.



Rationality and facts are not needed... in fact they are detrimental to their goals and aims
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

It is ridiculous to suggest the capital mob was antifa or blm... it is also ridiculous to ignore that what was a scary brief event is worst than the weeks of total take overs and actual occupation of Portland and Seattle both of which were supported at least as much by some left wing elected officials as was the jan 6 event.

oh and anyone that thinks it is ok (Or even legal) for several big tech companies to try to shut down a site like Parlor you are making a hugh error. I can see the reaction of glee... but no matter what you THINK about them this is bad for YOU. And it is a violation of the law. There is a line that has been crossed and this is not going to end well for the likes of Amazon, Apple...ect. It may just end in civil cases (and they have a case and will very likely win).

uh.. they have alway shut down games and apps that violate their violence or sex content standards.

Parler is running rampant with violence plans, and child porn.

I just just joined it yeterday but didn't get too far into it. It's some bad design and user experience.

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Reply #14 posted 01/10/21 9:43am

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ufoclub said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

It is ridiculous to suggest the capital mob was antifa or blm... it is also ridiculous to ignore that what was a scary brief event is worst than the weeks of total take overs and actual occupation of Portland and Seattle both of which were supported at least as much by some left wing elected officials as was the jan 6 event.

oh and anyone that thinks it is ok (Or even legal) for several big tech companies to try to shut down a site like Parlor you are making a hugh error. I can see the reaction of glee... but no matter what you THINK about them this is bad for YOU. And it is a violation of the law. There is a line that has been crossed and this is not going to end well for the likes of Amazon, Apple...ect. It may just end in civil cases (and they have a case and will very likely win).

uh.. they have alway shut down games and apps that violate their violence or sex content standards.

Parler is running rampant with violence plans, and child porn.

I just just joined it yeterday but didn't get too far into it. It's some bad design and user experience.

1) that is not wht they are doing here

2) wow i am sick...why do you know this? if so if they have CP then do not shut them down find them and charge them. somehow I doubt either is true. and the SCOUTS ruled that a threat on the internet was not a crime unless several other conditions were met.

3) oh you you have a parlor account?

If you do not defended some speech you abhor then you do NOT support free speech.
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Reply #15 posted 01/10/21 9:44am

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jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:
Are you angry because you can’t visit that site, and pissed because those companies are extremely concerned about the threats and extreme hatred that site promotes? They are smart to take precautions and don’t want to be held responsible for allowing them to promote that kind of evil. It’s not too bad for us, it’s too bad for the right wingers who participate in such an extreme, hate site. They can’t get their daily dose of brain candy now. You can bet the FBI and other LE agencies are aware of the people who frequent that site.
Does he (and others like him) not realize that Facebook and Apple and Twitter and Amazon are PRIVATE BUSINESSES, and they can decide the rules of their business and their choice of who to associate with. That’s called the CAPITALIST SYSTEM

yes to a certin extent...but there are limits...

If you do not defended some speech you abhor then you do NOT support free speech.
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Reply #16 posted 01/10/21 10:02am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



2elijah said:


OnlyNDaUsa said:

It is ridiculous to suggest the capital mob was antifa or blm... it is also ridiculous to ignore that what was a scary brief event is worst than the weeks of total take overs and actual occupation of Portland and Seattle both of which were supported at least as much by some left wing elected officials as was the jan 6 event.

oh and anyone that thinks it is ok (Or even legal) for several big tech companies to try to shut down a site like Parlor you are making a hugh error. I can see the reaction of glee... but no matter what you THINK about them this is bad for YOU. And it is a violation of the law. There is a line that has been crossed and this is not going to end well for the likes of Amazon, Apple...ect. It may just end in civil cases (and they have a case and will very likely win).




Are you angry because you can’t visit that site, and pissed because those companies are extremely concerned about the threats and extreme hatred that site promotes? They are smart to take precautions and don’t want to be held responsible for allowing them to promote that kind of evil.



It’s not too bad for us, it’s too bad for the right wingers who participate in such an extreme, hate site. They can’t get their daily dose of brain candy now. You can bet the FBI and other LE agencies are aware of the people who frequent that site.



1) no I do care one way or the other about that site. what i do care about is the free exchange of ideas. they will be sued and they will likely lose.




2) you will care...


I’ll care that that horrible sites/ and other hate sites like that are shut down forever.
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Reply #17 posted 01/10/21 10:20am

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2elijah said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

1) no I do care one way or the other about that site. what i do care about is the free exchange of ideas. they will be sued and they will likely lose.

2) you will care...

I’ll care that that horrible sites/ and other hate sites like that are shut down forever.

yes it is EASY to agree or approve when you do not like the target...but just remember that if this is okay then so would any company doing the same to any other group.

If you do not defended some speech you abhor then you do NOT support free speech.
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The right like to create their own boogeymen. They have to create their own arguments. I see it here and on right wing media. Hannity and Tucker, like ONLY always frame their arguments based on their own manufactured prepositions. Whenever a discussions turns to hard truths they distract with whatever bits and pieces they can string together to create their false arguments and false comparisons.

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It's pathetic, but Fox News is able to make a shit load of money off of this tactic and the GOP is able fund raise quite nicely off this tactic also.

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One can have a free exchange of ideas, but twitter and the other social media, doesn't have to host that free exchange of ideas.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

2elijah said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:
It’s not too bad for us, it’s too bad for the right wingers who participate in such an extreme, hate site. They can’t get their daily dose of brain candy now. You can bet the FBI and other LE agencies are aware of the people who frequent that site.

1) no I do care one way or the other about that site. what i do care about is the free exchange of ideas. they will be sued and they will likely lose.

2) you will care...

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PennyPurple said:

One can have a free exchange of ideas, but twitter and the other social media, doesn't have to host that free exchange of ideas.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yes and this is not what I am taking issues with. and like i said it is easy to approve when you think the target should not exist. but the problem is do you trust them to always do this ONLY to sites you do not like?

If you do not defended some speech you abhor then you do NOT support free speech.
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

One can have a free exchange of ideas, but twitter and the other social media, doesn't have to host that free exchange of ideas.

yes and this is not what I am taking issues with. and like i said it is easy to approve when you think the target should not exist. but the problem is do you trust them to always do this ONLY to sites you do not like?

When you sign up for social media, you sign their rules and regs. trump was given 5 years too long on the twitter account.

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PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yes and this is not what I am taking issues with. and like i said it is easy to approve when you think the target should not exist. but the problem is do you trust them to always do this ONLY to sites you do not like?

When you sign up for social media, you sign their rules and regs. trump was given 5 years too long on the twitter account.

it is not just that... as i said you not up to date.

If you do not defended some speech you abhor then you do NOT support free speech.
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OnlyNDaUsa said:



PennyPurple said:


One can have a free exchange of ideas, but twitter and the other social media, doesn't have to host that free exchange of ideas.



OnlyNDaUsa said:








yes and this is not what I am taking issues with. and like i said it is easy to approve when you think the target should not exist. but the problem is do you trust them to always do this ONLY to sites you do not like?


Sites we don’t like? It doesn’t a rocket scientist to figure out why that app had to be removed by those companies, considering it helped to promote violence at that rally, and egg on the hatred/anger that already exists with many of their members, who may have participated in the attack on the Capitol. Then they have to be concerned about the communication between members who made threats towards elected officials and about showing up at the inauguration to commit more violence. It’s best those companies removed that app, as those sites are used by millions, and that app could reach millions and influence more people to go out and commit crimes.
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Reply #24 posted 01/10/21 12:31pm

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The right like to create their own boogeymen. They have to create their own arguments. I see it here and on right wing media. Hannity and Tucker, like ONLY always frame their arguments based on their own manufactured prepositions. Whenever a discussions turns to hard truths they distract with whatever bits and pieces they can string together to create their false arguments and false comparisons.

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It's pathetic, but Fox News is able to make a shit load of money off of this tactic and the GOP is able fund raise quite nicely off this tactic also.

[Edited 1/10/21 11:12am]

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And this is the point.

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Conspiracy theorists often say follow the money. The only people making money from the term Antifa are the personalities in the far right media.

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Reply #25 posted 01/10/21 1:00pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

When you sign up for social media, you sign their rules and regs. trump was given 5 years too long on the twitter account.

it is not just that... as i said you not up to date.

No, you don't get it.

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Reply #26 posted 01/10/21 2:41pm

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PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yes and this is not what I am taking issues with. and like i said it is easy to approve when you think the target should not exist. but the problem is do you trust them to always do this ONLY to sites you do not like?

When you sign up for social media, you sign their rules and regs. trump was given 5 years too long on the twitter account.

Exactly.These sites are allowed to have their own rules and they have every right to kick you off if you break those rules.If I were in charge of Twitter,I would have removed Trump from it years ago.His inflammatory,race-baiting,hateful rhetoric is dangerous and unacceptable.

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SoulAlive said:

PennyPurple said:

When you sign up for social media, you sign their rules and regs. trump was given 5 years too long on the twitter account.

Exactly.These sites are allowed to have their own rules and they have every right to kick you off if you break those rules.If I were in charge of Twitter,I would have removed Trump from it years ago.His inflammatory,race-baiting,hateful rhetoric is dangerous and unacceptable.

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This is not about shutting down sites that aren't agreed with: There has already been evidence that these sites are being used as a tool for further seditious activity. I don't need to read the fine print on their terms and conditions to know that this is not a freedom of speech matter as much as a sense of urgency approach to minimizing further damage.

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I have friends on FB who are warning each other not to accept any updates from Amazon on their mobile devices, etc...it isn't about the app stores...! Amazon is their web service provider... biggrin. It's funny to see such useless advice, but I do have concerns when conspiracy addicts lose their outlet. We'll have to watch and see how it manifests again.

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As to the actual point of this thread? Although it seems logically 'theoretical' there might be a guiding hand behind antifa, with 95% of the information we have about antifa coming from right-wing disinformation (so embarassingly, and hilariously, demonstrated in another thread), it's hard to say. I would not be surprised if it is as decentralized as ever, and without some credible digital footprint, I'm inclined to say that is the case.

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lol

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