It's official: Trump has been impeached again!!!

LMAO

Congratulations,Mr.Trump......you just made history!!

SoulAlive said:

2elijah said:

SoulAlive said:

Congratulations,Mr.Trump......you just made history!!

Break out the champagne!!

Well, Trump always considered himself "unique" and "special"...

So I guess TWO IMPEACHMENTS definitely is an achievement

SoulAlive said:

2elijah said:

Astasheiks said:

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Over the last 4 years you have said many things contrary to the above bolded part. And I think many on here would agree with that. I guess now you don't like him because he's showing how pitful he is in the last few months and espcially last week....

He still likes trump. That’s why he was Trump’s super defender for the past 4 years, and if anyone here exposed ugly truths about Trump, he didn’t like it. It’s only just before the election ended, that he started giving his flip-flop views of trump. On top of that he still has rightwing views, so yeah he’s still a trumper. Like so many Trumpers, he’s probably not going to be happy, when Trump gets impeached today. [Edited 1/13/21 11:52am]

As much as I disagree with almost all of Only´s political views, I have to be fair and honest here ,as far as I remember he has never been a Trump fan per se and has often said that Trump wasn´t really his favorite candidate, but still better than Hillary Clinton.

The same goes for DJ Thunderfunk who is more of an independent, libertarian voter than a staunch Republican.

I know that many here often argue with them, and I understand why, but I really don´t see the two as serious Trump supporters. Especially DJ Thunderfunk has repeatedly stressed that he does not like Trump and does not agree with his policies.....it´s just that they both dislike Antifa (for reasons that are not really clear to me) and they both prefer Trump (or rather, the Republicans ) in charge over Hillary Clinton.

Only often mocks Obama and uses stupid names when he mentions him but I really don´t remember any posts by him or DJ where they openly and clearly supported Trump, and I´m talking about the time after he won his first election, not the second one where he lost.

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What I do find strange or hard to understand is how Only downplays what happened at and inside the Capitol. Sure, he disagrees with what happened and the violence but to even compare this to BLM protests or to not see that this was an attempted coup that was obviously planned or at least hoped for by some people on the inside is indeed a bit weak. Let´s call it what it is. This was far more than just a protest. It was an attempted coup.

And Trump is the leader of the coup. And he´s dangerous for American democracy, regardless of political affiliations. No sane Republican voter can seriously sugarcoat what happened and is still happening.

I´ve witnessed two coups in my lifetime and I know a coup when I see a coup.

jjhunsecker said:

Well, Trump always considered himself "unique" and "special"...

So I guess TWO IMPEACHMENTS definitely is an achievement

SoulAlive said:

do we need any more proof that Trump only cares about himself?

Trump is "clueless what any of this means internationally or historically," senior adviser says

From CNN's Jim Acosta

"Yes, he is worried about the long-term brand," the adviser said.

The adviser said there is a real possibility that Trump could end up "broke" based on his accumulation of debt and the stain on the Trump brand.

That is something the President fears, the adviser added

So many injured and dead people, America on the brink of a civil war and all he cares about is his businees and brand? He is the epitome of a selfish, narcissistic egomaniac.

Reminds me of that Ice Cube song "Who´s the Mack", where they show Trump at the end of the video, with the caption "broke mack"....back in 1992 when he was broke.

I really wonder where´s he´s going to be in two years from now. I just can´t see Trump being anything but Trump. I just don´t see him as a poor, 80 year old dude living in a small apartment. His sons or other folks will probably help him out.

jjhunsecker said:

Well, Trump always considered himself "unique" and "special"...

So I guess TWO IMPEACHMENTS definitely is an achievement

Is this going to have any major consequences for him, other than another stain on his reputation? Will he still get his 200.000 dollar pension and secret service for life?

jjhunsecker said:

Well, Trump always considered himself "unique" and "special"...

So I guess TWO IMPEACHMENTS definitely is an achievement

Whose guarding those Nuclear codes while we have 6 more Days of this fool???

KoolEaze said:

KoolEaze said:

2elijah said:

Astasheiks said: He still likes trump. That’s why he was Trump’s super defender for the past 4 years, and if anyone here exposed ugly truths about Trump, he didn’t like it. It’s only just before the election ended, that he started giving his flip-flop views of trump. On top of that he still has rightwing views, so yeah he’s still a trumper. Like so many Trumpers, he’s probably not going to be happy, when Trump gets impeached today. [Edited 1/13/21 11:52am]

As much as I disagree with almost all of Only´s political views, I have to be fair and honest here ,as far as I remember he has never been a Trump fan per se and has often said that Trump wasn´t really his favorite candidate, but still better than Hillary Clinton.

The same goes for DJ Thunderfunk who is more of an independent, libertarian voter than a staunch Republican.

I know that many here often argue with them, and I understand why, but I really don´t see the two as serious Trump supporters. Especially DJ Thunderfunk has repeatedly stressed that he does not like Trump and does not agree with his policies.....it´s just that they both dislike Antifa (for reasons that are not really clear to me) and they both prefer Trump (or rather, the Republicans ) in charge over Hillary Clinton.

Only often mocks Obama and uses stupid names when he mentions him but I really don´t remember any posts by him or DJ where they openly and clearly supported Trump, and I´m talking about the time after he won his first election, not the second one where he lost.

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What I do find strange or hard to understand is how Only downplays what happened at and inside the Capitol. Sure, he disagrees with what happened and the violence but to even compare this to BLM protests or to not see that this was an attempted coup that was obviously planned or at least hoped for by some people on the inside is indeed a bit weak. Let´s call it what it is. This was far more than just a protest. It was an attempted coup.

And Trump is the leader of the coup. And he´s dangerous for American democracy, regardless of political affiliations. No sane Republican voter can seriously sugarcoat what happened and is still happening.

I´ve witnessed two coups in my lifetime and I know a coup when I see a coup.

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I understand what you are saying but there is a difference between liking the coup leader as a person vs defending all his political positions.

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What Only has done since 2015 is voice his dislike of the coup leader as person, but he has defended him in virtually all he has done for the good of the party. This has seen him defend or deny his support of his racist comments and acts, how badly he has managed the pandemic, most of the acts he has done to steal the election and, now, whilst condeming the violence of 6 January, deflecting to the process to prevent future violence for the coup leader and bring him to justice.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

SoulAlive said:

One more week and Trump will be gone the Trump era is just about over.

Yep and as much as I disagree with the Joe and that woman ms Harris... I am almost glad to see him go. I said this in 2016 it might be best to suffer Hillary than have trump... dispite lies and make believe and selective memory... I do not like and have never liked him. I often do not agree with specific claims made about him many that were proven untrue..but debating those is not a defence of those acts.

But you voted for trump in 2016. And didn't vote Against him in 2020..........

KoolEaze said:

jjhunsecker said:

Well, Trump always considered himself "unique" and "special"...

So I guess TWO IMPEACHMENTS definitely is an achievement

Is this going to have any major consequences for him, other than another stain on his reputation? Will he still get his 200.000 dollar pension and secret service for life?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics/senate-impeachment-process-next-steps/index.html

He ought to lose it!

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Trump will probably start asking for donations and crowdfund for his own social media platform...he'll probably get this $ easily from his brainwashed hardcore minions....But that's if he can get past the mountain of lawsuits/red tape that await him once his term is done...That will probably keep him occupied for quite some time.

PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

SoulAlive said: Yep and as much as I disagree with the Joe and that woman ms Harris... I am almost glad to see him go. I said this in 2016 it might be best to suffer Hillary than have trump... dispite lies and make believe and selective memory... I do not like and have never liked him. I often do not agree with specific claims made about him many that were proven untrue..but debating those is not a defence of those acts.

But you voted for trump in 2016. And didn't vote Against him in 2020..........

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And voted for Sanders in the 2020 Primaries with the stated purpose of destabilising the major opposition to trump and getting a person in who trump could beat.

Astasheiks said:

KoolEaze said:

Is this going to have any major consequences for him, other than another stain on his reputation? Will he still get his 200.000 dollar pension and secret service for life?

What's the point of holding an impeachment trial for a former President?

There is precedent for impeaching former officials.

While the main penalty for a guilty verdict in an impeachment trial is removal from office, senators could vote to bar Trump from holding office in the future -- remember, he has not ruled out running for president in 2024. He could also lose his six-figure pension and other post-presidential perks.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics/senate-impeachment-process-next-steps/index.html

He ought to lose it!

[Edited 1/13/21 15:19pm]

I think ONE official was impeached and then acquitted after he left office. But it is not clear that it was challenged. And that it was an acquittal so there was not real reason to seek remedy in the courts. So even if he gets convicted it would likely challenge it and I think he would have a good chance to win.

from the Constitution: "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

Not "former" President or former officials.

Oh and the one case (that I know of) of a former official being impeached doesn't set a legal precedent... that is it could not be used as evidence that they are legal. That is because it was not challenged.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Astasheiks said:

What's the point of holding an impeachment trial for a former President?

There is precedent for impeaching former officials.

While the main penalty for a guilty verdict in an impeachment trial is removal from office, senators could vote to bar Trump from holding office in the future -- remember, he has not ruled out running for president in 2024. He could also lose his six-figure pension and other post-presidential perks.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics/senate-impeachment-process-next-steps/index.html

He ought to lose it!

[Edited 1/13/21 15:19pm]

I think ONE official was impeached and then acquitted after he left office. But it is not clear that it was challenged. And that it was an acquittal so there was not real reason to seek remedy in the courts. So even if he gets convicted it would likely challenge it and I think he would have a good chance to win.

from the Constitution: "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

Not "former" President or former officials.

Oh and the one case (that I know of) of a former official being impeached doesn't set a legal precedent... that is it could not be used as evidence that they are legal. That is because it was not challenged.

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As ever, you understanding of the law and of legal precedent is seriously limited.

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The Senate has considered 2 cases of person who had already left office - A Senator and a Cabinet secretary in addition to Belknap.

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You cannot seek to restrict precedent to just what has been challenged rather than what has been decided by the court. These three courts decided to hear the cases. The SC and other courts have no power to hear a challenge to this - this has been confimed in the courts. The decision by the Chief Justice and Senators who took the Oath of Affirmation creates the precedent because they can decide to not hear the case and they did not.

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From the constitution: "Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States." As the decision by the Senate can apply to future offices, there is no limit that a president impeached for inciting the seditious violence you say you are against can hide behind an assumed statute of limitations.

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So you have no constitutional impediment to hearing the case after the person ceases to hold the office, legal precedent in the form of cases where the court heard cases after the person ceased to hold the office and these courts have the power to make a judgement against the coup leader in regard to his wish to seek future offices.

[Edited 1/13/21 17:08pm]

SoulAlive said:

SnapChat has just banned Trump permanently

Astasheiks said:

KoolEaze said:

Is this going to have any major consequences for him, other than another stain on his reputation? Will he still get his 200.000 dollar pension and secret service for life?

What's the point of holding an impeachment trial for a former President?

There is precedent for impeaching former officials.

While the main penalty for a guilty verdict in an impeachment trial is removal from office, senators could vote to bar Trump from holding office in the future -- remember, he has not ruled out running for president in 2024. He could also lose his six-figure pension and other post-presidential perks.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/13/politics/senate-impeachment-process-next-steps/index.html

He ought to lose it!

[Edited 1/13/21 15:19pm]

Thanks for the info.

SoulAlive said:

at the end of the day.....Trump is a failed,one-term president who was impeached TWICE. that’s what he’ll be remembered for.

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And this is as a direct result of the coup leader setting up the circumstances of 6 January, getting all these fascists and anti-government far-right militias to the rally, sending them fired up to attack Pence and the Congress so they do not recognise President Elect Biden as the winner of the election, expressing his love and understanding of his special people rather than the belated recognition that he and his people overplayed the attempts to steal the election.

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It is very interesting in how he, today, is attacking his fellow failed coup participants and disatancing himself from its failure. The steal is all over and the ass covering has started - The second impeachment has already achieved a positive.

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SoulAlive said:

at the end of the day.....Trump is a failed,one-term president who was impeached TWICE. that’s what he’ll be remembered for.

This is key. It speaks volumes and it will speak FOREVER.

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KoolEaze said: