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Joe Biden-President Elect -and related election/post-election news - Part 2

I don’t see the 1st Joe Biden-President elect thread anymore. So if it’s ok I started a continuation thread for any related news. With the Georgia race tomorrow, and the confirmation for Joe Biden on Wednesday, January 6th coming up as well.
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Reply #1 posted 01/04/21 8:25pm

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I’m rooting for the Dems in that race.

https://www.nbcnews.com/p...e-n1252785

On eve of Georgia Senate vote, Biden says races will 'chart course' of 'next generation'

Jan. 4, 2021, 6:22 PM EST
By Adam Edelman

“President-elect Joe Biden made his final pitch Monday to Georgia voters to give him a Democratic Senate to work with in Washington, asking them to elect Democrats Jon Ossoff and Rev. Raphael Warnock in Tuesday’s runoff elections.

“Folks, this is it, it’s a year new, and tomorrow can be a new day for Atlanta, for Georgia and for America,” Biden said a drive-in rally in Atlanta.”

Referring to the fact that his own victory in Georgia was the first time a Democrat carried the state in a presidential race since 1992, Biden told voters that “we need you to vote again in record numbers.”
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If the dims win the senate it will be a diaster.
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So the talk of the objections are more and more and I am amused how soon some forget that this is not all that uncommon. Didn't it happen in 2004? (and to a lessor extent in 2016 and 2000?)

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Reply #4 posted 01/05/21 6:50am

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Shame we lost that thread. I was enjoying the smack down on the Trumplicans.

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Shame we lost that thread. I was enjoying the smack down on the Trumplicans.


Well I’m not surprised it got taken down.

On another note, I’m hoping the Dems in GA race today win. Of course Trump is claiming that in 2022 he will be campaigning against the GA SOS, and we know that’s because he’s angry he couldn’t bribe him to cheat and lie for him.
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2elijah said:

Milty2 said:

Shame we lost that thread. I was enjoying the smack down on the Trumplicans.

Well I’m not surprised it got taken down. On another note, I’m hoping the Dems in GA race today win. Of course Trump is claiming that in 2022 he will be campaigning against the GA SOS, and we know that’s because he’s angry he couldn’t bribe him to cheat and lie for him.

Joe Scarborough did a great job today taking down the Evangelicals who've sold their souls to Trump.

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2elijah said:


Milty2 said:

Shame we lost that thread. I was enjoying the smack down on the Trumplicans.



Well I’m not surprised it got taken down. On another note, I’m hoping the Dems in GA race today win. Of course Trump is claiming that in 2022 he will be campaigning against the GA SOS, and we know that’s because he’s angry he couldn’t bribe him to cheat and lie for him.


Joe Scarborough did a great job today taking down the Evangelicals who've sold their souls to Trump.

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It’s terrible what’s going on in this country right now. Many Evangelicals claim their Christians, yet many of them embrace bad behavior/lies. Smh.
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Good call by the Mayor of DC as we are living in some unsettling times. Never know what may transpire from these rallies between today and tomorrow, especially once Biden is confirmed.


https://apnews.com/articl...1e6ed4abe4


DC mayor calls in National Guard ahead of pro-Trump protests

By ASHRAF KHALIL and LOLITA C. BALDOR
today


“Bracing for possible violence, the nation’s capital has mobilized the National Guard ahead of planned protests by President Donald Trump’s supporters in connection with the congressional vote expected Wednesday to affirm Joe Biden’s election victory.

Trump’s supporters are planning to rally Tuesday and Wednesday, seeking to bolster the president’s unproven claims of widespread voter fraud. “There are people intent on coming to our city armed,” D.C. Acting Police Chief Robert Contee said Monday.


A pro-Trump rally in December ended in violence as hundreds of Trump supporters, wearing the signature black and yellow of the Proud Boys faction, sought out confrontations with a collective of local activists attempting to bar them from Black Lives Matter Plaza, an area near the White House.

On Monday, Metropolitan Police Department officers arrested the leader of the Proud Boys, Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, 36, after he arrived in Washington ahead of this week’s protests. Tarrio was accused of burning a Black Lives Matter banner that was torn down from a historic Black church in downtown Washington during the December protests.

A warrant had been issued for Tarrio’s arrest for destruction of property, police said. He was also facing a weapons charges after officers found him with two high-capacity firearm magazines when he was arrested, a police spokesman said.”
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Reply #10 posted 01/05/21 9:02am

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2elijah said:

Good call by the Mayor of DC as we are living in some unsettling times. Never know what may transpire from these rallies between today and tomorrow, especially once Biden is confirmed. https://apnews.com/articl...1e6ed4abe4 DC mayor calls in National Guard ahead of pro-Trump protests

He's going to spin this as some kind of communist attempt to quash his supporters. It's inevitable.

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2elijah said:


Good call by the Mayor of DC as we are living in some unsettling times. Never know what may transpire from these rallies between today and tomorrow, especially once Biden is confirmed. https://apnews.com/articl...1e6ed4abe4 DC mayor calls in National Guard ahead of pro-Trump protests


He's going to spin this as some kind of communist attempt to quash his supporters. It's inevitable.


Yep and it’s interesting how trump and the righties never condemn the violence committed by the proud boys, yet they cry ‘Antifa!’ while intentionally playing blind to the actions of the proud boys and other violent, far-right groups. Smh.
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Reply #12 posted 01/05/21 12:40pm

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Milty2 said:

Shame we lost that thread. I was enjoying the smack down on the Trumplicans.

Yeah, What happen to it??? eek mad

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2elijah said:

Milty2 said:

He's going to spin this as some kind of communist attempt to quash his supporters. It's inevitable.

Yep and it’s interesting how trump and the righties never condemn the violence committed by the proud boys, yet they cry ‘Antifa!’ while intentionally playing blind to the actions of the proud boys and other violent, far-right groups. Smh.

yes yeahthat thumbs up!

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You mean to tell me, Trump still tried to decertify Georgia votes today in court, and once again got rejected? falloff When will he get it that he lost the election? Unbelievable

https://www.cnn.com/2021/...index.html

Judge rejects another Trump attempt to decertify Georgia votes

By Katelyn Polantz, CNN
Updated 2:17 PM EST, Tue January 05, 2021

(CNN) A federal judge in Georgia denied yet another attempt by President Donald Trump to decertify its presidential election results and President-elect Joe Biden's victory.

Judge Mark Cohen held a hearing Tuesday morning amid fallout from Trump's call to pressure state officials to "find" votes. Trump had sued Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and Gov. Brian Kemp on New Year's Eve, seeking the emergency hearing on his request for an injunction.


The state had argued in response that the case shouldn't go forward for multiple reasons, including that Trump was seeking to disenfranchise millions of voters at the "thirteenth hour," well after the election was soundly conducted and the results had been recounted, audited and certified.“
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Reply #15 posted 01/05/21 12:57pm

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So the talk of the objections are more and more and I am amused how soon some forget that this is not all that uncommon. Didn't it happen in 2004? (and to a lessor extent in 2016 and 2000?)

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What is uncommon is that in these prior years there was no real expectation by the losing presidential candidate that the objections could be used to steal the election and change the result. There may have been individuals who thought this, but they were not the outgoing president seeking to rally State and Federal elected or appointed government officials, supporters and terrorist organisations to overturn the sum of the certified results or face retribution.

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IanRG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

So the talk of the objections are more and more and I am amused how soon some forget that this is not all that uncommon. Didn't it happen in 2004? (and to a lessor extent in 2016 and 2000?)

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What is uncommon is that in these prior years there was no real expectation by the losing presidential candidate that the objections could be used to steal the election and change the result. There may have been individuals who thought this, but they were not the outgoing president seeking to rally State and Federal elected or appointed government officials, supporters and terrorist organisations to overturn the sum of the certified results or face retribution.

oh i forgot it is okay when some do it just not others.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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What is uncommon is that in these prior years there was no real expectation by the losing presidential candidate that the objections could be used to steal the election and change the result. There may have been individuals who thought this, but they were not the outgoing president seeking to rally State and Federal elected or appointed government officials, supporters and terrorist organisations to overturn the sum of the certified results or face retribution.

oh i forgot it is okay when some do it just not others.

No you're wrong. It's ENTIRELY unreasonable for Trump and his lawyers to be persuing this cause in this manner. They've been told over and over and over that there has been no election fraud and why is that? It's because there is no evidence. They constantly fail to present evidence too and so in this case, with this level of mendacity, your equation is not the same.

If anyone objected in 2004/08/12/16 to whoever was the winner, it never got any further than that. This situation is on a whole other level.

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Reply #18 posted 01/05/21 1:46pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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What is uncommon is that in these prior years there was no real expectation by the losing presidential candidate that the objections could be used to steal the election and change the result. There may have been individuals who thought this, but they were not the outgoing president seeking to rally State and Federal elected or appointed government officials, supporters and terrorist organisations to overturn the sum of the certified results or face retribution.

oh i forgot it is okay when some do it just not others.

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Who has tried to steal the election in the way trump is?

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If there was any previous similar attempt to do this, then NO it is not NOT OK when some do it, just not when others do.

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It really is a poor argument to seek to justify all that trump has tried and failed to do by misrepresenting what has occurred in the past. You have already admitted that trump lost - you should be appalled at trump's inability to face reality, if only because what you are defending could be used against your GOP in the future.

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Milty2 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

oh i forgot it is okay when some do it just not others.

No you're wrong. It's ENTIRELY unreasonable for Trump and his lawyers to be persuing this cause in this manner. They've been told over and over and over that there has been no election fraud and why is that? It's because there is no evidence. They constantly fail to present evidence too and so in this case, with this level of mendacity, your equation is not the same.

If anyone objected in 2004/08/12/16 to whoever was the winner, it never got any further than that. This situation is on a whole other level.

huh? what? I have been saying since Nov 6 that trump lost and he ought to concede and drop all challenges. All I am saying here is is that the dems tried to pull this before and you and others seem to think that was fine... I do not think it is okay. It is legal sure (that is objecting) but just because something is legal don't mean they ought to. Boxer should not have objected and jill should not have have (under Hillary's command) held recounts... but those were legal. And now like then will have no impact on the results.

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IanRG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

oh i forgot it is okay when some do it just not others.

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Who has tried to steal the election in the way trump is?

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If there was any previous similar attempt to do this, then NO it is not NOT OK when some do it, just not when others do.

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It really is a poor argument to seek to justify all that trump has tried and failed to do by misrepresenting what has occurred in the past. You have already admitted that trump lost - you should be appalled at trump's inability to face reality, if only because what you are defending could be used against your GOP in the future.

he is trying legal means to win... he is just managing the election....


so NOW you agree with me that this is not okay? cool

I do not need to justify a legal action... and i said (I bet before you did) that joe won and trump lost and that he ought to give up and concede and drop all challenges... As to being appalled? I would not say I was appalled...this is all legal. It is an embarrassment. and he is only harming whatever is left of his legacy.

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Reply #21 posted 01/05/21 2:05pm

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IanRG said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:




IanRG said:



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What is uncommon is that in these prior years there was no real expectation by the losing presidential candidate that the objections could be used to steal the election and change the result. There may have been individuals who thought this, but they were not the outgoing president seeking to rally State and Federal elected or appointed government officials, supporters and terrorist organisations to overturn the sum of the certified results or face retribution.




oh i forgot it is okay when some do it just not others.



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Who has tried to steal the election in the way trump is?


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If there was any previous similar attempt to do this, then NO it is not NOT OK when some do it, just not when others do.


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It really is a poor argument to seek to justify all that trump has tried and failed to do by misrepresenting what has occurred in the past. You have already admitted that trump lost - you should be appalled at trump's inability to face reality, if only because what you are defending could be used against your GOP in the future.


Exactly. No president in my time, has ever tried to cheat/steal an election or do what Trump is doing, not even when Gore or Clinton lost. There were many voters unhappy that they Gore and Clinton) lost, and some who didn’t want to accept that Bush or Trump had won, but never have I seen a presidential candidate who lost a race or a sitting president, who lost, act like Trump. Not even people act the way many Trump voters are behaving today, and falling for the baseless conspiracy theories/lies Trump and some of Trump’s associates are spreading. Even some supporters willing to commit crimes or due to keep that nutbag in office.

Especially with all the crazy, conspiracy theories, lies and and assumptions that parts in voting machines were replaced or overnight, on election night, that because Biden picked up the lead in some states, that someone stole ballots. Trump is just in complete denial he lost, and trying to stay in office because he won’t have presidential immunity from SDNY, once he is no longer president.
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2elijah said:

IanRG said:

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Who has tried to steal the election in the way trump is?

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If there was any previous similar attempt to do this, then NO it is not NOT OK when some do it, just not when others do.

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It really is a poor argument to seek to justify all that trump has tried and failed to do by misrepresenting what has occurred in the past. You have already admitted that trump lost - you should be appalled at trump's inability to face reality, if only because what you are defending could be used against your GOP in the future.

Exactly. No president in my time, has ever tried to cheat/steal an election or in do what Trump is doing, not even when Gore or Clinton lost. There were many voters unhappy that they lost, and some who didn’t want to accept that Bush or Trump had won, but never have I seen a presidential candidate who lost a race or a sitting president, who lost, act like Trump. Not even act the way many Trump voters are behaving today, and falling for the baseless conspiracy theories/lies Trump and some of Trump’s associates are spreading. Even some supporters willing to commit crimes or due to keep that nutbag in office. Especially with all the crazy, conspiracy theories, lies and and assumptions that parts in voting machines were replaced or overnight, on election night, that because Biden picked up the lead in some states, that someone stole ballots. Trump is just in complete denial he lost, and trying to stay in office because he won’t have presidential immunity from SDNY, once he is no longer president.

I am not sure that is true... I think you may just be assuming... but if it was true 3 months ago it is true today and will be true on Jan 21. *and I stopped reading at the end of the first sentence




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Ok I went back and read the rest. you agree with me on much of that. As I have been saying for 60 days. Trump lost and he should concede and drop all challenges. The idea of the parts being changed in 2020 is as bad as those that said the machines were hacked in 2016... just dumb. *and I layed that out as to why is was dumb as they would have had to gone in...hacked them without being seen...machine by machine... then go back after the election and unhack them... machine by machine with out being seen and missing NONE of the ones that were hacked... same here...

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Reply #23 posted 01/05/21 2:24pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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Who has tried to steal the election in the way trump is?

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If there was any previous similar attempt to do this, then NO it is not NOT OK when some do it, just not when others do.

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It really is a poor argument to seek to justify all that trump has tried and failed to do by misrepresenting what has occurred in the past. You have already admitted that trump lost - you should be appalled at trump's inability to face reality, if only because what you are defending could be used against your GOP in the future.

he is trying legal means to win... he is just managing the election....


so NOW you agree with me that this is not okay? cool

I do not need to justify a legal action... and i said (I bet before you did) that joe won and trump lost and that he ought to give up and concede and drop all challenges... As to being appalled? I would not say I was appalled...this is all legal. It is an embarrassment. and he is only harming whatever is left of his legacy.

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Do not strawman my arguments to pretend I agree with you.

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You are unable to show that any one has made "any previous similar attempt to do this, then NO it is not NOT OK when some do it, just not when others do" The some I am referring to is trump, because no one else in living memory has tried to this, despite your claims that they did.

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Where we disagree is that trump is doing far more than any one else has done and your whataboutism to deflect to previous objections misses the point - trump is not just seeking to preserve electoral integrity - he is trying to steal the election by a mix of legal and illegal means.

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If you look at the 2004 and 2016 objections - They worked. Their intent was not for loser to steal the election, it was about election integrity. The integrity of the elections in those years was preserved with a win that reflected the certified result. The focus on preserving electoral integrity resulted in trump creating a new standalone agency to oversee the security and integrity of voting machines as part of managing potential infrastructure cybersecurity issues. This worked so well trump had to fire its Director because it impeded his ability to steal the election.

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IanRG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

he is trying legal means to win... he is just managing the election....


so NOW you agree with me that this is not okay? cool

I do not need to justify a legal action... and i said (I bet before you did) that joe won and trump lost and that he ought to give up and concede and drop all challenges... As to being appalled? I would not say I was appalled...this is all legal. It is an embarrassment. and he is only harming whatever is left of his legacy.

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Do not strawman my arguments to pretend I agree with you.

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As you unable to show that any one has made "any previous similar attempt to do this, then NO it is not NOT OK when some do it, just not when others do." The some I am referring to is trump, because no one else in living memory has tried to this, despite your claims that they did.

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Where we disagree is that trump is doing far more than any one else has done and your whataboutism to deflect to previous objections misses the point - trump is not just seeking to preserve electoral integrity - he is trying to steal the election by a mix of legal and illegal means.

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If you look at the 2004 and 2016 objections - They worked. Their intent was not for loser to steal the election, it was about election integrity. The integrity of the elections in those years was preserved with a win that reflected the certified result. The focus on preserving electoral integrity resulted in trump creating a new standalone agency to oversee the security and integrity of voting machines as part of managing potential infrastructure cybersecurity issues. This worked so well trump had to fire its Director because it impeded his ability to steal the election.

1) you stawman my stawman that is not one as you do agree with me that trump lost and should conceed and drop all challanged and FURTHER that his LEGAL act will fail

2) not sure I made the claim as you framed it.. is that another strawman from you? As others have objected in recent election or used legal means in an attempt to change the outcome yes this has been done in recent history.


3) i never made any argument as to compair much less equate the extent of attempes so is that another srawman?

4) you assume

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Reply #25 posted 01/05/21 3:00pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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Do not strawman my arguments to pretend I agree with you.

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As you unable to show that any one has made "any previous similar attempt to do this, then NO it is not NOT OK when some do it, just not when others do." The some I am referring to is trump, because no one else in living memory has tried to this, despite your claims that they did.

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Where we disagree is that trump is doing far more than any one else has done and your whataboutism to deflect to previous objections misses the point - trump is not just seeking to preserve electoral integrity - he is trying to steal the election by a mix of legal and illegal means.

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If you look at the 2004 and 2016 objections - They worked. Their intent was not for loser to steal the election, it was about election integrity. The integrity of the elections in those years was preserved with a win that reflected the certified result. The focus on preserving electoral integrity resulted in trump creating a new standalone agency to oversee the security and integrity of voting machines as part of managing potential infrastructure cybersecurity issues. This worked so well trump had to fire its Director because it impeded his ability to steal the election.

1) you stawman my stawman

4) you assume

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I am not going to play your game of trying to dismiss your self-confessed strawman argument by creating ficticious strawmen within strawmen.

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The simple fact is I do not agree with you because you cannot show that any losing presidential candidate in 2000, 2004 or 2016 did what trump is trying to set up for a 6th of Jan attempt to steal the 2020 election result against him. That objections were raised in prior years with no expectation that they would change the result is not the same as trump seeking by various legal and illegal methods to use the 6th January to actually change the result. No matter how you seek to change what I said and what you said to fabricate an agreement, there is no agreement that on Jan 6 2001, 2005 and 2017 the losing presidential candidate tried to use trumpian tactics to change the result. I am OK with others seeking to preserve electoral integrity, I am not OK with an election loser seeking to steal the election by undermining the election result using a mix of loopholes, threats etc.

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There is no assumption about Chris Krebs was sacked for not supporting trump's voting machine fraud claims. It is a fact.

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You mean to tell me, Trump still tried to decertify Georgia votes today in court, and once again got rejected? falloff When will he get it that he lost the election? Unbelievable https://www.cnn.com/2021/...index.html Judge rejects another Trump attempt to decertify Georgia votes By Katelyn Polantz, CNN Updated 2:17 PM EST, Tue January 05, 2021 (CNN) A federal judge in Georgia denied yet another attempt by President Donald Trump to decertify its presidential election results and President-elect Joe Biden's victory. Judge Mark Cohen held a hearing Tuesday morning amid fallout from Trump's call to pressure state officials to "find" votes. Trump had sued Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and Gov. Brian Kemp on New Year's Eve, seeking the emergency hearing on his request for an injunction. The state had argued in response that the case shouldn't go forward for multiple reasons, including that Trump was seeking to disenfranchise millions of voters at the "thirteenth hour," well after the election was soundly conducted and the results had been recounted, audited and certified.“ [Edited 1/5/21 12:48pm]

How many times does he have to lose? lol

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You mean to tell me, Trump still tried to decertify Georgia votes today in court, and once again got rejected? falloff When will he get it that he lost the election? Unbelievable https://www.cnn.com/2021/...index.html Judge rejects another Trump attempt to decertify Georgia votes By Katelyn Polantz, CNN Updated 2:17 PM EST, Tue January 05, 2021 (CNN) A federal judge in Georgia denied yet another attempt by President Donald Trump to decertify its presidential election results and President-elect Joe Biden's victory. Judge Mark Cohen held a hearing Tuesday morning amid fallout from Trump's call to pressure state officials to "find" votes. Trump had sued Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and Gov. Brian Kemp on New Year's Eve, seeking the emergency hearing on his request for an injunction. The state had argued in response that the case shouldn't go forward for multiple reasons, including that Trump was seeking to disenfranchise millions of voters at the "thirteenth hour," well after the election was soundly conducted and the results had been recounted, audited and certified.“ [Edited 1/5/21 12:48pm]

How many times does he have to lose? lol

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He is just giving us what he believes we want. Remember he said "We're going to win so much, you're going to be so sick and tired of winning". No one is sick and tired of him winning now.

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Reply #28 posted 01/05/21 3:39pm

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Reported plans of Donald Trump traveling to Scotland to avoid Joe Biden’s inauguration just went south as authorities say he won’t be allowed to visit. Only essential travel in and out of Scotland is allowed due to Covid and a Scottish official said, "Coming to play golf is not what I would consider to be an essential purpose." Via .

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Reply #29 posted 01/05/21 3:56pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



2elijah said:


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Who has tried to steal the election in the way trump is?


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If there was any previous similar attempt to do this, then NO it is not NOT OK when some do it, just not when others do.


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It really is a poor argument to seek to justify all that trump has tried and failed to do by misrepresenting what has occurred in the past. You have already admitted that trump lost - you should be appalled at trump's inability to face reality, if only because what you are defending could be used against your GOP in the future.



Exactly. No president in my time, has ever tried to cheat/steal an election or in do what Trump is doing, not even when Gore or Clinton lost. There were many voters unhappy that they lost, and some who didn’t want to accept that Bush or Trump had won, but never have I seen a presidential candidate who lost a race or a sitting president, who lost, act like Trump. Not even act the way many Trump voters are behaving today, and falling for the baseless conspiracy theories/lies Trump and some of Trump’s associates are spreading. Even some supporters willing to commit crimes or due to keep that nutbag in office. Especially with all the crazy, conspiracy theories, lies and and assumptions that parts in voting machines were replaced or overnight, on election night, that because Biden picked up the lead in some states, that someone stole ballots. Trump is just in complete denial he lost, and trying to stay in office because he won’t have presidential immunity from SDNY, once he is no longer president.



I am not sure that is true... I think you may just be assuming... but if it was true 3 months ago it is true today and will be true on Jan 21. *and I stopped reading at the end of the first sentence





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Ok I went back and read the rest. you agree with me on much of that. As I have been saying for 60 days. Trump lost and he should concede and drop all challenges. The idea of the parts being changed in 2020 is as bad as those that said the machines were hacked in 2016... just dumb. *and I layed that out as to why is was dumb as they would have had to gone in...hacked them without being seen...machine by machine... then go back after the election and unhack them... machine by machine with out being seen and missing NONE of the ones that were hacked... same here...

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I agree with you?? Uhm. You read my post, so actually you agree with me, after you re-read my post.
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