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Graycap23

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Sedition?

So how are the current vote related nonsense from the GOP not sedition?

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Reply #1 posted 01/03/21 11:53am

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Do you mean the House members and Senators that are planning on objecting to the results?

or the recent Trump tape of him asking to "find" enough votes to win?

Objecting to the results is legal. I am not sure about the tape, sounds dangerously close to asking them to Fix the results.

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Reply #2 posted 01/03/21 11:56am

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and it can not really be Sedition until joe is sworn in. Call the assumed results what you will the election process is NOT over and joe is not president yet.

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Reply #3 posted 01/03/21 1:31pm

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Graycap23 said:

So how are the current vote related nonsense from the GOP not sedition?


Certainly comes across as sedition.
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Reply #4 posted 01/03/21 2:07pm

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The Washington Post


‘I just want to find 11,780 votes’: In extraordinary hour-long call, Trump pressures Georgia secretary of state to recalculate the vote in his favor



https://www.washingtonpos...story.html

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Reply #5 posted 01/03/21 2:17pm

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luv4u said:

The Washington Post


‘I just want to find 11,780 votes’: In extraordinary hour-long call, Trump pressures Georgia secretary of state to recalculate the vote in his favor



https://www.washingtonpos...story.html

yeah that is troubling... maybe criminal? he sure seems to be asking for the votes to be found in a manner that is criminal. And he did seem to float a threat to the Secretary if he did not 'find' the votes. To say it is a crime and it was risky to not do what he was asking.

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Reply #6 posted 01/03/21 3:58pm

SexyMuthaF

Tryin to get the sos to come clean ain't no crime everybody know he dirty I heard the tape and is it even legal to record without two party consent
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Reply #7 posted 01/03/21 5:05pm

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Read the full transcript of Trump's audio call with Georgia secretary of state
Updated 7:52 PM ET, Sun January 3, 2021

https://www.cnn.com/2021/...index.html

Transcript begins:
Meadows: “Ok. Alright. Mr. President, everyone is on the line. This is Mark Meadows, the chief of staff. Just so we all are aware. On the line is secretary of state, and two other individuals. Jordan and Mr. Germany with him. You also have the attorneys that represent the president, Kurt and Alex and Cleta Mitchell — who is not the attorney of record but has been involved — myself and then the president. So Mr. President, I'll turn it over to you.”

(Click on link to read the full transcript of the phone call/or listen to full audio provided on this link)
[Edited 1/4/21 3:27am]
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Reply #8 posted 01/03/21 6:15pm

SexyMuthaF

To answer grays question ain't nothing being done by the gop that's against the law
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Reply #9 posted 01/03/21 6:39pm

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Some see what Trump did as a possible crime.



Source:Twitter

Andrew Weissmann
@AWeissmann_
“Trump's threats to Georgia Sec of State; Trump, to Ukraine President; Trump to US Senators who won't violate the Constitution for him - and on and on - are all examples of POTUS criminal extortion and election tampering. And those who knowingly assist him violate 18 USC 2 & 371.”



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https://news.yahoo.com/am...55096.html


Trump's 'less-than-perfect' call to Georgia officials could also be a crime
David Knowles

January 3, 2021


(Edited for compliance)

“Trump’s actions could constitute election fraud. Section 52 of the U.S. Code concerns voting and elections, and provides for a sentence of up to five years for:

“A person, including an election official, who in any election for Federal office

(1) knowingly and willfully intimidates, threatens, or coerces, or attempts to intimidate, threaten, or coerce, any person for-

(A) registering to vote, or voting, or attempting to register or vote;

(B) urging or aiding any person to register to vote,

(C) exercising any right under this chapter; or

(2) knowingly and willfully deprives, defrauds, or attempts to deprive or defraud the residents of a State of a fair and impartially conducted election process, by

(A) the procurement or submission of voter registration applications that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held; or

(B) the procurement, casting, or tabulation of ballots that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held.”

Trump’s citing possible criminal charges for Raffensperger unless he produces a different election result in Georgia could be seen as extortion, which section 18, chapter 41 of the U.S. code expressly prohibits.

The former lead counsel in Trump’s impeachment trial — which was predicated on what Trump called his “perfect phone call” to the president of Ukraine — agreed that this was also a less-than-perfect call by the president.“
[Edited 1/3/21 18:43pm]
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Reply #10 posted 01/03/21 11:29pm

SexyMuthaF

Somebody in big trouble for leaking the call this getting good

www.fox5atlanta.com/news/...-votes.amp

"The audio published by @TheWashingtonPost is heavily edited and omits the stipulation that all discussions were for the purpose of settling litigation and confidential under federal and state law."
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Reply #11 posted 01/04/21 12:42am

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Somebody in big trouble for leaking the call this getting good www.fox5atlanta.com/news/...-votes.amp "The audio published by @TheWashingtonPost is heavily edited and omits the stipulation that all discussions were for the purpose of settling litigation and confidential under federal and state law."

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You really should read what you post and get someone to explain it to you. Even the Fox article you posted does not agree with you:

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"FOX 5 Atlanta is waiting for clarification from Shafer on if he was referring to previously filed lawsuits about the election or new lawsuits stemming from the leaked phone call. At no point in the conversation does the talk appear to turn towards a settlement and a search of state and federal databases show no current pending litigation against the secretary of state. The search also revealed no new legal actions filed as of Sunday evening. There are also reports a Georgia State Election Board has also sent a letter to Raffensperger asking him to open an investigation into criminal or civil wrongdoing involving the phone call. According to Georgia law, only one party has to consent to have a phone conversation legally recorded outside of obtaining a warrant."

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The full uneditied version was always available and it only shows lame duck trump in a worse light. The only thing Shafer could find was to seek to declare the conversation to something there is nor proof or mention of it being. You also missed that the call could also an investigation into trump's criminal or civil wrong doing.

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Reply #12 posted 01/04/21 12:52am

SexyMuthaF

You keep on pretending trump just decided to make a phone call on his own even though he had several attorneys on the call as well if you think those attorneys would let him say anything illegal then your as delusional as the other liberals here
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Reply #13 posted 01/04/21 1:43am

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You keep on pretending trump just decided to make a phone call on his own even though he had several attorneys on the call as well if you think those attorneys would let him say anything illegal then your as delusional as the other liberals here

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You see, this makes no sense - If it was a legal call it would have been by attorneys. This was a political call and YOUR source and everyone else had the full call. Even Fox discredited the lie for trump that this was a legal call.

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Since when has trump limited his rants, tweets and calls to just what an attorney or any other advisor advised?

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The irony of you making yet another personal attack on the people you hate is that you are selectively reading your source to spin it as saying what it specifically discredited:

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Fox was set up by Murdoch and the GOP to be specifically biased towards the GOP and even it said "FOX 5 Atlanta is waiting for clarification from Shafer on if he was referring to previously filed lawsuits about the election or new lawsuits stemming from the leaked phone call. At no point in the conversation does the talk appear to turn towards a settlement and a search of state and federal databases show no current pending litigation against the secretary of state. The search also revealed no new legal actions filed as of Sunday evening. There are also reports a Georgia State Election Board has also sent a letter to Raffensperger asking him to open an investigation into criminal or civil wrongdoing involving the phone call. According to Georgia law, only one party has to consent to have a phone conversation legally recorded outside of obtaining a warrant."

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Reply #14 posted 01/04/21 3:17am

SexyMuthaF

OMG you think trump would use his attorneys as a mouthpiece to have a back and forth conversation with the sos BWAHAHAHA
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Reply #15 posted 01/04/21 3:26am

IanRG

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OMG you think trump would use his attorneys as a mouthpiece to have a back and forth conversation with the sos BWAHAHAHA

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No, I am pointing out to YOU that, despite your claim, HE would not and did not. Just like Only, you struggle to keep up with a discussion and the points you tried to make one or two posts ago.

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It is clear from the rant, threats and deparation in trump's words and tone that he was NOT following any attorney's advice, NOT discussing any settlement. He was just a feeble old man not used to negotiating failing to convince a person from his own side that they should commit crimes for him just he does not have to face the reality that he lost the election with the biggest loss since Mondale lost to Reagan.

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Reply #16 posted 01/04/21 3:31am

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IanRG said:



SexyMuthaF said:


OMG you think trump would use his attorneys as a mouthpiece to have a back and forth conversation with the sos BWAHAHAHA

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No, I am pointing out to YOU that, despite your claim, HE would not and did not. Just like Only, you struggle to keep up with a discussion and the points you tried to make one or two posts ago.


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It is clear from the rant, threats and deparation in trump's words and tone that he was NOT following any attorney's advice, NOT discussing any settlement. He was just a feeble old man not used to negotiating failing to convince a person from his own side that they should commit crimes for him just he does not have to face the reality that he lost the election with the biggest loss since Mondale lost to Reagan.


Exactly Ian. Trump did it all by himself... tried to convince the GA SOS to commit a crime to overturn the election.
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Reply #17 posted 01/04/21 12:32pm

SexyMuthaF

Ian I forgive you for not being familiar with conference calls because nobody wants to talk to you but lawyers on the call dont have to say a word and probably didnt they were there to protect the prez from saying the wrong thing get it now
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Reply #18 posted 01/04/21 1:15pm

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SexyMuthaF said:

Ian I forgive you for not being familiar with conference calls because nobody wants to talk to you but lawyers on the call dont have to say a word and probably didnt they were there to protect the prez from saying the wrong thing get it now

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I cannot forgive your willful ignorance nor your personal attacks and the way you and Only use strawman lies to change what a person said to argue against that.

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It looks like Cleta Mitchell is going to be in trouble from her firm for breaking its rules and the WH Chief of Staff has confirmed that she was NOT the Attorney of Record. Her firm stated:

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"Our policy did allow our attorneys to participate in observing election recounts and similar actions on a voluntary basis in their individual capacity as private citizens so long as they did not act as legal advisers. ... We are aware of, and are concerned by, Ms. Mitchell’s participation in the January 2 conference call and are working to understand her involvement more thoroughly."

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Now to the two strawman - What I said was trump was not stopped from saying what he said by anyone, he did it all himself. No one stopped him. It is clear from the rant, threats and desparation in trump's words and tone that he was NOT following any attorney's advice, NOT discussing any settlement. He was just a feeble old man not used to negotiating failing to convince a person from his own side that they should commit crimes for him just so he does not have to face the reality that he lost the election with the biggest loss since Mondale lost to Reagan.

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Reply #19 posted 01/04/21 2:23pm

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If I have to see that asinine BWAHHAHA another time, I’m going to fucking vomit!

How childish and stupid to keep repeating the same idiotic phrase over and over again
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Reply #20 posted 01/04/21 4:17pm

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Interesting how Trump was trying to go after the votes in Fulton County. Not surprised he would go after a large Black voter base. He’s a piece of garbage.
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Reply #21 posted 01/04/21 6:10pm

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2elijah said:

Interesting how Trump was trying to go after the votes in Fulton County. Not surprised he would go after a large Black voter base. He’s a piece of garbage.


And he’s obsessed with Stacey Abrams- he can’t stand that a Black Woman beat his old cracker ass !
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jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:

Interesting how Trump was trying to go after the votes in Fulton County. Not surprised he would go after a large Black voter base. He’s a piece of garbage.


And he’s obsessed with Stacey Abrams- he can’t stand that a Black Woman beat his old cracker ass !

Trump whined about her yesterday. And it’s clear he is pissed at her for getting so many out to vote against him, especially Black voters. The man is so hateful/racist and dysfunctional. Not surprised that in the counties of certain states, he tried to cry voter fraud, that it’s interesting that he was targeting those counties that had a high Black voter turn out, and trying to delegitimize their votes.
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Reply #23 posted 01/05/21 7:27am

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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:



And he’s obsessed with Stacey Abrams- he can’t stand that a Black Woman beat his old cracker ass !

Trump whined about her yesterday. And it’s clear he is pissed at her for getting so many out to vote against him, especially Black voters. The man is so hateful/racist and dysfunctional. Not surprised that in the counties of certain states, he tried to cry voter fraud, that it’s interesting that he was targeting those counties that had a high Black voter turn out, and trying to delegitimize their votes.


It’s like Trump is thinking: “If they still had poll taxes and literacy tests, I would have won “
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Reply #24 posted 01/05/21 7:55am

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Will he refuse to leave on 1/20/21? Will he have to be escorted out ‘on demand’? This guy really can’t get over he lost the election. Pathetic. Smh.


https://apnews.com/articl...2a0da5688e

Trump says he’ll ‘fight like hell’ to hold on to presidency
By LISA MASCARO, MARY CLARE JALONICK and KEVIN FREKING
today


“With mounting desperation, Donald Trump declared Monday night he would “fight like hell” to hold on to the presidency and appealed to Republican lawmakers to reverse his election loss to Joe Biden when they convene this week to confirm the Electoral College vote.

Electoral voters won by President-elect Biden are “not gonna take this White House!” he shouted as supporters cheered at an outdoor rally in Georgia. Trump’s announced purpose for the trip was to boost Republican Senate candidates in Tuesday’s runoff election, but he spent much of his speech complaining bitterly about his election loss — which he insists he won “by a lot.”
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jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:


Trump whined about her yesterday. And it’s clear he is pissed at her for getting so many out to vote against him, especially Black voters. The man is so hateful/racist and dysfunctional. Not surprised that in the counties of certain states, he tried to cry voter fraud, that it’s interesting that he was targeting those counties that had a high Black voter turn out, and trying to delegitimize their votes.


It’s like Trump is thinking: “If they still had poll taxes and literacy tests, I would have won “

Exactly! Because his focus on those counties is to delegitimize Black votes.
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Reply #26 posted 01/05/21 8:06am

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And then there is this. They’re angry because the GA SOS refused to be bullied by Trump, to cheat the election by stealing votes, and now the MAGA fools will target repubs, who weren’t loyal to Trump. These fools really believe Trump won, and Trump will continue fueling the fire and lies, to get donations from them to fill his pockets.




https://www.politico.com/...ors-454924


MAGA activists plot revenge on Republican ‘traitors’


“MAGA figureheads and pro-Trump activists are vowing to excommunicate Republicans who vigorously oppose the doomed effort to keep President Donald Trump in power.

The threats have played out in recent days with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, who was once seen as a possible ally in Trump’s efforts to overturn President-elect Joe Biden’s win in the swing state. But Raffensperger has consistently refused to validate Trump’s baseless voter fraud claims, and on Saturday, he bluntly told the president the rigged-election theories were simply wrong. After a recording of the Saturday call leaked to the press, the MAGA world erupted with incandescent range.

A national security threat,” proclaimed Charlie Kirk, MAGA youth leader and Turning Point USA co-founder. “Brad Raffensperger should immediately be investigated.”

In the coming days, that MAGA revenge complex could target everyone from low-level members of Congress to Vice President Mike Pence, as Congress meets on Jan. 6 to formally certify Biden’s victory. “Republicans,” Trump warned on Twitter, “NEVER FORGET!” speaking to lawmakers who have said they will not oppose Biden’s certification. And Trump allies are plotting to fund potential pro-MAGA primary challengers to oust those disloyal Republicans.”
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Reply #27 posted 01/05/21 10:18am

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Pence needs to follow the law, not what Trump wants. His public comment trying to influence Pence, is no different than what he did in the phone call to the GA SOS.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/...index.html


“This is it. President Donald Trump's dogged effort to ignore the voters, state election officials, the courts and the Electoral College has come down to his latest wild idea -- that he'll just get Vice President Mike Pence to steal the thing for him.

But it's not going to happen, even though Pence's quiet and approving stares at his boss have suggested the kind of blind loyalty Trump prizes.

(Edited for compliance)

You can read the law here.

https://www.law.cornell.e.../text/3/15

It's not the cleanest of language, but it's pretty clear that only a congressman and senator, together, can object to a state's electoral votes, and it has to be in writing. There's nothing in the law about Pence doing anything but calling on tellers and announcing the results.”
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Reply #28 posted 01/05/21 2:03pm

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2elijah said:

Pence needs to follow the law, not what Trump wants. His public comment trying to influence Pence, is no different than what he did in the phone call to the GA SOS. https://www.cnn.com/2021/...index.html “This is it. President Donald Trump's dogged effort to ignore the voters, state election officials, the courts and the Electoral College has come down to his latest wild idea -- that he'll just get Vice President Mike Pence to steal the thing for him. But it's not going to happen, even though Pence's quiet and approving stares at his boss have suggested the kind of blind loyalty Trump prizes. (Edited for compliance) You can read the law here. https://www.law.cornell.e.../text/3/15 It's not the cleanest of language, but it's pretty clear that only a congressman and senator, together, can object to a state's electoral votes, and it has to be in writing. There's nothing in the law about Pence doing anything but calling on tellers and announcing the results.” [Edited 1/5/21 10:42am]

Pence is a professional GOP mannequin.

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Reply #29 posted 01/05/21 7:02pm

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As though Trump didn’t know before he tried to influence Pence to block it. lol


https://www.cnn.com/2021/...index.html


Pence informed Trump that he can't block Biden's win
By Kaitlan Collins and Jim Acosta, CNN


Updated 9:33 PM EST, Tue January 05, 2021

Vice President Mike Pence on Tuesday told President Donald Trump that he does not have the authority to block certification of President-elect Joe Biden's win when Congress meets to count electoral votes, sources told CNN.

Trump, who already had turned up the pressure on Pence to steal the election, warned him that it would be politically "damaging" for Pence to refuse to block certification, according to a source familiar with the conversation.

Pence gently informed Trump during the meeting that the power doesn't exist for him to derail the process, the source added.
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