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onlyforaminute

The new strains-Covid variants

Well since the 2nd case of this in the states is in my city. Happy New Year to you all. And stsy your butts at home. They say this new stain isn't more deadly but it spreads faster. Last I heard they are not sure if this new strain is stopped by the new vaccine. Evolution at work.

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oh I see it's more than 1 strain.


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Reply #1 posted 01/01/21 6:29am

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You said new stain BWAHAHAHA happy new year it's gone be good
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Reply #2 posted 01/02/21 12:58pm

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ooops. I'm not paying enough attention. It was 3 new cases of this newer strain in my city. That's how the original began.

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Reply #3 posted 01/02/21 3:31pm

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No worries this place needs a little levity
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Reply #4 posted 01/04/21 10:25am

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Health care workers are bracing for a particularly deadly January, after the U.S saw record high numbers of infections in December. President-elect Joe Biden cautioned this week that "the next few weeks and months are going to be very tough, a very tough period for our nation — maybe the toughest during this entire pandemic."

Researchers say the new variant — dubbed B.1.1.7 — probably originated in the South East region of England in September, before being detected there in November. According to a new report from Imperial College London, Britain's November lockdown did little to curb its spread, which was most prevalent in young people under 20 years old. The World Health Organization says the new variant is responsible for more than half of new infections in the U.K.
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Reply #5 posted 01/04/21 12:14pm

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My butts sitting here watching Boris Johnson. Why? I don't live in the UK. Changed to Newsom.
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Health care workers are bracing for a particularly deadly January, after the U.S saw record high numbers of infections in December. President-elect Joe Biden cautioned this week that "the next few weeks and months are going to be very tough, a very tough period for our nation — maybe the toughest during this entire pandemic." Researchers say the new variant — dubbed B.1.1.7 — probably originated in the South East region of England in September, before being detected there in November. According to a new report from Imperial College London, Britain's November lockdown did little to curb its spread, which was most prevalent in young people under 20 years old. The World Health Organization says the new variant is responsible for more than half of new infections in the U.K.

This is some Strange Ass Crap, hhhmmm, I hope evil is not in the lab cooking up this variant or variants! eek mad crysball

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onlyforaminute said:


Health care workers are bracing for a particularly deadly January, after the U.S saw record high numbers of infections in December. President-elect Joe Biden cautioned this week that "the next few weeks and months are going to be very tough, a very tough period for our nation — maybe the toughest during this entire pandemic." Researchers say the new variant — dubbed B.1.1.7 — probably originated in the South East region of England in September, before being detected there in November. According to a new report from Imperial College London, Britain's November lockdown did little to curb its spread, which was most prevalent in young people under 20 years old. The World Health Organization says the new variant is responsible for more than half of new infections in the U.K.


This is some Strange Ass Crap, hhhmmm, I hope evil is not in the lab cooking up this variant or variants! eek mad crysball


I'd like to think not. Basic evolution should explain it since it's about single celled organisms which could generate 100s to 1000s of generations in a matter of months and this one got a massive spread. It's the same thing with the flu every year a new strain pops up when a older one goes down.
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Reply #8 posted 01/05/21 2:58am

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Well since the 2nd case of this in the states is in my city. Happy New Year to you all. And stsy your butts at home. They say this new stain isn't more deadly but it spreads faster. Last I heard they are not sure if this new strain is stopped by the new vaccine. Evolution at work. ... oh I see it's more than 1 strain. .... ... [Edited 12/31/20 16:18pm]

It's not a Covid-19 strain.
Covid-19 is the disease you can get when infected with the virus.

CoVID-19 = Corona Virus Infection Disease 2019
The virus is called SARS-CoV-2; Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Corona Virus type 2

(And yes there is a SARS-CoV-1, which is commonly known as just SARS)


Besides SARS-CoV-2 and SARS-CoV there are 4 more Coronavirusses to which humans are susceptible; Coronavirus_229E, Coronavirus_HKU1, Coronavirus_NL63 and Coronavirus_OC43

Since SARS-CoV-2 is a 'family member' of these Corona virusses, studies have shown that about 20-25% of the population already has immunity against SARS-CoV-2.

These people already have been ill by any other Corona virus and have build up T-cell and B-cell immunity-memory.

These other Corona variants are part of the virus mix which is known to cause 'the flu'
Other 'flu' causing virusses are:

Influenza A (3 types)
Influenza B (2 Types)
RS Virusses
Enterovirus
Rhinovirus

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Reply #9 posted 01/05/21 11:34am

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It's all confusing to me.

https://www.cdc.gov/coron...riant.html
COVID-19
Cases are rising. Act now! Wear a mask; Stay 6 feet apart; Avoid crowds.
YOUR HEALTH
New COVID-19 Variants
Updated Jan. 3, 2021
Information about the characteristics of these variants is rapidly emerging. Scientists are working to learn more about how easily they might spread, whether they could cause more severe illness, and whether currently authorized vaccines will protect people against them. At this time, there is no evidence that these variants cause more severe illness or increased risk of death.

What we know
Viruses constantly change through mutation, and new variants of a virus are expected to occur over time. Sometimes new variants emerge and disappear. Other times, new variants emerge and persist. Multiple variants of the virus that causes COVID-19 have been documented in the United States and globally during this pandemic.

The virus that causes COVID-19 is a type of coronavirus, a large family of viruses. Coronaviruses are named for the crown-like spikes on their surfaces. Scientists monitor changes in the virus, including changes to the spikes on the surface of the virus. These studies, including genetic analyses of the virus, are helping us understand how changes to the virus might affect how it spreads and what happens to people who are infected with it.

Multiple COVID-19 variants are circulating globally. In the United Kingdom (UK), a new variant has emerged with an unusually large number of mutations. This variant seems to spread more easily and quickly than other variants. Currently, there is no evidence that it causes more severe illness or increased risk of death. This variant was first detected in September 2020 and is now highly prevalent in London and southeast England. It has since been detected in numerous countries around the world, including the United States and Canada.

In South Africa, another variant has emerged independently of the variant detected in the UK. This variant, originally detected in early October, shares some mutations with the variant detected in the UK. There have been cases caused by this variant outside of South Africa. This variant seems to spread more easily and quickly than other variants. Currently, there is no evidence that it causes more severe illness or increased risk of death.

Another variant recently emerged in Nigeria. CDC also is monitoring this strain but, at this time, there is no evidence to indicate this variant is causing more severe illness or increased spread of COVID-19 in Nigeria.



https://www.cdc.gov/coron...riant.html
A new variant strain of SARS-CoV-2 that contains a series of mutations has been described in the United Kingdom (UK) and become highly prevalent in London and southeast England. Based on these mutations, this variant strain has been predicted to potentially be more rapidly transmissible than other circulating strains of SARS-CoV-2. Although a variant may predominate in a geographic area, that fact alone does not mean that the variant is more infectious. Scientists are working to learn more about this variant to better understand how easily it might be transmitted and whether currently authorized vaccines will protect people against it. At this time, there is no evidence that this variant causes more severe illness or increased risk of death. Information regarding the virologic, epidemiologic, and clinical characteristics of the variant are rapidly emerging. CDC, in collaboration with other public health agencies, is monitoring the situation closely. CDC will communicate new information as it becomes available.
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Reply #10 posted 01/05/21 12:34pm

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onlyforaminute said:

It's all confusing to me. https://www.cdc.gov/coron...riant.html COVID-19 Cases are rising. Act now! Wear a mask; Stay 6 feet apart; Avoid crowds. YOUR HEALTH New COVID-19 Variants Updated Jan. 3, 2021 Information about the characteristics of these variants is rapidly emerging. Scientists are working to learn more about how easily they might spread, whether they could cause more severe illness, and whether currently authorized vaccines will protect people against them. At this time, there is no evidence that these variants cause more severe illness or increased risk of death. What we know Viruses constantly change through mutation, and new variants of a virus are expected to occur over time. Sometimes new variants emerge and disappear. Other times, new variants emerge and persist. Multiple variants of the virus that causes COVID-19 have been documented in the United States and globally during this pandemic. The virus that causes COVID-19 is a type of coronavirus, a large family of viruses. Coronaviruses are named for the crown-like spikes on their surfaces. Scientists monitor changes in the virus, including changes to the spikes on the surface of the virus. These studies, including genetic analyses of the virus, are helping us understand how changes to the virus might affect how it spreads and what happens to people who are infected with it. Multiple COVID-19 variants are circulating globally. In the United Kingdom (UK), a new variant has emerged with an unusually large number of mutations. This variant seems to spread more easily and quickly than other variants. Currently, there is no evidence that it causes more severe illness or increased risk of death. This variant was first detected in September 2020 and is now highly prevalent in London and southeast England. It has since been detected in numerous countries around the world, including the United States and Canada. In South Africa, another variant has emerged independently of the variant detected in the UK. This variant, originally detected in early October, shares some mutations with the variant detected in the UK. There have been cases caused by this variant outside of South Africa. This variant seems to spread more easily and quickly than other variants. Currently, there is no evidence that it causes more severe illness or increased risk of death. Another variant recently emerged in Nigeria. CDC also is monitoring this strain but, at this time, there is no evidence to indicate this variant is causing more severe illness or increased spread of COVID-19 in Nigeria. https://www.cdc.gov/coron...riant.html A new variant strain of SARS-CoV-2 that contains a series of mutations has been described in the United Kingdom (UK) and become highly prevalent in London and southeast England. Based on these mutations, this variant strain has been predicted to potentially be more rapidly transmissible than other circulating strains of SARS-CoV-2. Although a variant may predominate in a geographic area, that fact alone does not mean that the variant is more infectious. Scientists are working to learn more about this variant to better understand how easily it might be transmitted and whether currently authorized vaccines will protect people against it. At this time, there is no evidence that this variant causes more severe illness or increased risk of death. Information regarding the virologic, epidemiologic, and clinical characteristics of the variant are rapidly emerging. CDC, in collaboration with other public health agencies, is monitoring the situation closely. CDC will communicate new information as it becomes available.

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It is is easy: Covid19 is used as shorthand for the virus, just as SARS was used as shorthand for previous one. Neither is the official name of the virus, but both are convenient ways to refer to these viruses.

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Tweaty is confusing species with clades or variants. There are 7 (not 6) known species of corona viruses that can infect humans - The virus that causes MERS (MERS-CoV) is missing. These are only the ones that have been identified. There are and were probably many more corona viruses: for example the 1919 Spanish Flu may have been one.

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Within each species of corona virus there may be clades or groups of variants of that species of virus - MERS has two, Covid19 is still being investigated but there are either 5 or 7 known clades depending on who you listen to and how they group the variants. Within each clade there will be many variants. That there are different clades and variants has been known since the early days of the pandemic. For example in Australia our track and trace process to control the spread at the beginning identified the variants here with enough accuracy to know the geograpic source of the infection. The prime cause of the early spread here was not from China and SEA despite our locality and strong and largely uncontrolled movement in the first months of 2020 (I was in Malaysia, Thailand and Myanmar in Jan/Feb 2020) but from the USA. And the USA spread was from the variants in Italy. This is only possible to determine this because there is more than just the species, there are groups of variants known as clades within the species and variants within clades.

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Reply #11 posted 01/05/21 12:37pm

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Great info IanRG

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IanRG said:

It is is easy: Covid19 is used as shorthand for the virus


Nope.

Covid-19 is the name of the disease that people can get when infected with the virus SARS-CoV-2

Virus name: SARS-CoV-2; Severe Acute Resperatory Syndrome - Corona Virus Type 2
When you get ill from an infection with SARS-CoV-2 = Covid-19; Corona Virus Infection Disease [1st discovered in] 2019

There's not much more to it.

See Wikipedia

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Reply #13 posted 01/06/21 7:23am

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Tweety, u are not known for facts. hmmm

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #14 posted 01/09/21 11:35am

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TweetyV6 said:



IanRG said:



It is is easy: Covid19 is used as shorthand for the virus




Nope.

Covid-19 is the name of the disease that people can get when infected with the virus SARS-CoV-2

Virus name: SARS-CoV-2; Severe Acute Resperatory Syndrome - Corona Virus Type 2
When you get ill from an infection with SARS-CoV-2 = Covid-19; Corona Virus Infection Disease [1st discovered in] 2019

There's not much more to it.

See Wikipedia



What “Nope”? You’re clearly both right. Covid-19 IS the name for the disease and not the virus AND “Covid-19” has become a commonly used colloquialism for the virus. The two facts are not mutually exclusive. Yes, it’s an incorrect use but it is used that way by a large potion of the public. I think that’s all that Ian is pointing out.

Let’s face it, if the average Joe was smart of enough to know the correct nomenclature, the pandemic would have been over ages ago!
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TweetyV6 said:

IanRG said:

It is is easy: Covid19 is used as shorthand for the virus

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Tweaty is confusing species with clades or variants. There are 7 (not 6) known species of corona viruses that can infect humans - The virus that causes MERS (MERS-CoV) is missing. These are only the ones that have been identified. There are and were probably many more corona viruses: for example the 1919 Spanish Flu may have been one.

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Within each species of corona virus there may be clades or groups of variants of that species of virus - MERS has two, Covid19 is still being investigated but there are either 5 or 7 known clades depending on who you listen to and how they group the variants. Within each clade there will be many variants. That there are different clades and variants has been known since the early days of the pandemic. For example in Australia our track and trace process to control the spread at the beginning identified the variants here with enough accuracy to know the geograpic source of the infection. The prime cause of the early spread here was not from China and SEA despite our locality and strong and largely uncontrolled movement in the first months of 2020 (I was in Malaysia, Thailand and Myanmar in Jan/Feb 2020) but from the USA. And the USA spread was from the variants in Italy. This is only possible to determine this because there is more than just the species, there are groups of variants known as clades within the species and variants within clades.


Nope.

Covid-19 is the name of the disease that people can get when infected with the virus SARS-CoV-2

Virus name: SARS-CoV-2; Severe Acute Resperatory Syndrome - Corona Virus Type 2
When you get ill from an infection with SARS-CoV-2 = Covid-19; Corona Virus Infection Disease [1st discovered in] 2019

There's not much more to it.

See Wikipedia

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I put the rest back that you seem to have missed. The bits where you confused species with clades and variants and missed a whole species. These are actual errors.

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I agree with what you are saying about the difference between a scientific name for the virus and disease. But is an undeniable fact that colloquially this distinction is lost - people refer to both as Covid 19 or "coves" or the "rona" or "coronavirus" and I am sure that there there are many slang words for it round the world.

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You really should read what you link to before you post it: In regard to what you said and got wrong, this is what your link said:

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"Variants

There are many thousands of variants of SARS-CoV-2, which can be grouped into the much larger clades.[110] Several different clade nomenclatures have been proposed. Nextstrain divides the variants into five clades (19A, 19B, 20A, 20B, and 20C), while GISAID divdes them into seven (L, O, V, S, G, GH, and GR).[111]"

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How many species on earth are colloquially referred to by their correct scientific name?

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What proportion of people do you think know and exclusively use the proper scientific name of every species they encounter?

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How many diseases or conditions are referred to by a colloquial name?

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Reply #16 posted 01/09/21 3:35pm

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Geesh when someone says they have a cold or flu since when is there some correction on which virus they're referring to or calling it by its proper name? I love the way folks love to distract. I used to fall for it a very long time ago. The only info not shared is if these various vaccinations are going to be diverse enough so we can go back to living. The Clorox wipes box for years has had coronavirus listed as one of the germs it kills. Obviously there's been strains people have been exposed to since forever. But hey lets keep mudding the water by being overly technical to a point of no points being made.
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Reply #17 posted 01/15/21 10:13pm

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It is the nature of viruses to mutate.

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Margot said:

It is the nature of viruses to mutate.

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Agreed. And so far Covid 19's mutations have been relatively slow compared to other viruses.

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the rona by any other name is here to stay. It will be part of a refular issued vaccination. We need to stay vigliant until we have way more people with antibodies.

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