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Reply #30 posted 01/14/21 9:42am

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Why do we do that? Who cares if some country beats us? What does that even mean? Competition is not a good ethic.


As a simple citizen it really doesn't matter. As long as my faucet turns on and the light switch works life is good.
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Reply #31 posted 01/19/21 9:57pm

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I've lived, worked and traveled in China.

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The country is developping at an impresive pace, that much is true.

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This said, I'm often under the impression that Westerners imagine China as being close to being as developped as the West. This is far from true.

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Overall, skillsets are still awfully bad, regardless how qualified you need to be for the job.

To take simple examples, you really don't want to depend on a Chinese doctor if you suffer from some serious disease.

And if you call a plumber or an electrician, it's likely they'll break something at the same time they will fix what you called them to fix.

Don't get me wrong, there are many very smart people in China, but the political system, cultural habits and educational system aren't very favorable to proper professional training.

To give you an example: I wasn't allowed to grade my students less than 70%, no matter what task they surrendered. And I worked in a public university, mind you, not some expensive private school. This was true for many other departments and universities, not just mine.

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People's living conditions, while also significantly better than they used to be, remain awful for many Chinese.

All my students had to share really old and creepy 4 beds dorms with toilets and showers outside, electricty was cut at midnight every night and there were power cuts and water cuts on a regular basis, not to mention very erratic heating in winter.

I've seen many poor people live in what you could hardly call anything else than dumpsters.

And I used to live in one of the biggest cities so, given what I've seen there, you can imagine how bad it is in the most remote areas (of which there are plenty).

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So IDK how long it'll take for China to reach the same level of development as the West and the Asian dragons. It'll happen, eventually, but not before a few decades at best.

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This said, China is putting a shitload of money in hi-tech such as AI, 5G and so on, so they may soon kick our asses -particularly European asses- when it comes to certain specific industrial sectors.

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But the thing we should be the most careful of, at the moment, is their cultural "softpower".

True, unlike the Americans after WW2, the Chinese have little to offer in terms of a "Chinese dream", unless you fancy authoritarian regimes. Yet, they do their best to promote the efficiency of such a regime over representative democracy, and given the crisis Wester democracies are going through, they may find some supporters. The recent Trump fiasco, the French yellow vests 2 years ago, or our lack of capability to manage the Covid-19 outbreak are things Chinese media delight on, showing the Chinese and the rest of the world how weak, chaotic and unefficient democracy is by comparison to the Party's iron fist.

When I say "the rest of the world", it's because they have English languages media in Africa for example. They'd definitely trying to reach out people beyond their own borders.

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They also keep intefering more and more with our cultural products. We often overlook that fact, but most Hollywood studios now take China's censorship system in consideration to be sure that their blockbusters won't be banned from being distributed there. IDK about you, but I'm really pissed to know that the films I watch have been tailored not to offend China's communist party. This means, among other things, that depictions of drugs, sex, violence, homosexuality or any other "immoral" behaviors have to be kept minimal, or bye bye Chinese market.

The Chinese also tend to try and interfere more and more with any depiction of their country abroad. For example, a German children books' publisher had to redo their atlas to put Taiwan in the same color as China, or their Chinese printer wouldn't print the book. A recent French exhibition about China was asked to bow to the Chinese's demands to present the communist party's "official" version of historical events, or they wouldn't be lended the artefacts they were promised, etc.

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So while one should always rejoice to learn that a country's developping and that its people's quality of life improves, one should not forget that the dominance of Western cultural values that we think as being universal, such as freedom of speech and democracy, are being more and more challenged by certain countries, beginning with China.

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Reply #32 posted 01/26/21 8:22pm

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They're probably still miles ahead of US (India). sad

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Reply #33 posted 01/27/21 9:49am

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databank said:

I've lived, worked and traveled in China.


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The country is developping at an impresive pace, that much is true.


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This said, I'm often under the impression that Westerners imagine China as being close to being as developped as the West. This is far from true.


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Overall, skillsets are still awfully bad, regardless how qualified you need to be for the job.


To take simple examples, you really don't want to depend on a Chinese doctor if you suffer from some serious disease.


And if you call a plumber or an electrician, it's likely they'll break something at the same time they will fix what you called them to fix.


Don't get me wrong, there are many very smart people in China, but the political system, cultural habits and educational system aren't very favorable to proper professional training.


To give you an example: I wasn't allowed to grade my students less than 70%, no matter what task they surrendered. And I worked in a public university, mind you, not some expensive private school. This was true for many other departments and universities, not just mine.


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People's living conditions, while also significantly better than they used to be, remain awful for many Chinese.


All my students had to share really old and creepy 4 beds dorms with toilets and showers outside, electricty was cut at midnight every night and there were power cuts and water cuts on a regular basis, not to mention very erratic heating in winter.


I've seen many poor people live in what you could hardly call anything else than dumpsters.


And I used to live in one of the biggest cities so, given what I've seen there, you can imagine how bad it is in the most remote areas (of which there are plenty).


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So IDK how long it'll take for China to reach the same level of development as the West and the Asian dragons. It'll happen, eventually, but not before a few decades at best.


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This said, China is putting a shitload of money in hi-tech such as AI, 5G and so on, so they may soon kick our asses -particularly European asses- when it comes to certain specific industrial sectors.


.


But the thing we should be the most careful of, at the moment, is their cultural "softpower".


True, unlike the Americans after WW2, the Chinese have little to offer in terms of a "Chinese dream", unless you fancy authoritarian regimes. Yet, they do their best to promote the efficiency of such a regime over representative democracy, and given the crisis Wester democracies are going through, they may find some supporters. The recent Trump fiasco, the French yellow vests 2 years ago, or our lack of capability to manage the Covid-19 outbreak are things Chinese media delight on, showing the Chinese and the rest of the world how weak, chaotic and unefficient democracy is by comparison to the Party's iron fist.


When I say "the rest of the world", it's because they have English languages media in Africa for example. They'd definitely trying to reach out people beyond their own borders.


.


They also keep intefering more and more with our cultural products. We often overlook that fact, but most Hollywood studios now take China's censorship system in consideration to be sure that their blockbusters won't be banned from being distributed there. IDK about you, but I'm really pissed to know that the films I watch have been tailored not to offend China's communist party. This means, among other things, that depictions of drugs, sex, violence, homosexuality or any other "immoral" behaviors have to be kept minimal, or bye bye Chinese market.


The Chinese also tend to try and interfere more and more with any depiction of their country abroad. For example, a German children books' publisher had to redo their atlas to put Taiwan in the same color as China, or their Chinese printer wouldn't print the book. A recent French exhibition about China was asked to bow to the Chinese's demands to present the communist party's "official" version of historical events, or they wouldn't be lended the artefacts they were promised, etc.


.


So while one should always rejoice to learn that a country's developping and that its people's quality of life improves, one should not forget that the dominance of Western cultural values that we think as being universal, such as freedom of speech and democracy, are being more and more challenged by certain countries, beginning with China.


I appreciate your what you had to say here.
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Reply #35 posted 02/17/21 10:52am

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They definitely have a different view in how to govern people. On some levels it seems to be working for them with tweeks here and there.
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Reply #36 posted 02/18/21 9:06am

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17 February 2021 Business


China is now the EU's biggest trading partner, overtaking the US in 2020.

China bucked a wider trend, as trade with most of Europe's major partners dipped due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

Trade between China and the EU was worth $709bn (€586bn, £511bn) last year, compared with $671bn worth of imports and exports from the US.

Although China's economy cratered in the first quarter due to the pandemic, its economic recovery later in the year fuelled demand for EU goods.

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The EU and China, however, are trying to deepen their economic ties, with both sides seeking to ratify an investment deal that would give European companies better access to the Chinese market.

Analysts are tipping global trade to turn around in 2021 after a lacklustre 2020.

The real value of global trade is set to rise by 7.6% after an an estimated contraction of 13.5% in 2020 to $16.4tn, according to research firm IHS Markit.
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Reply #37 posted 02/18/21 9:45am

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OF4S, we don't live in China. Worry about us.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #38 posted 02/19/21 6:45pm

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Biden was bought by China years ago. They have already surpassed us now. THe next four years will be the beginning of the end for America as we have known it in the world.

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Reply #39 posted 02/19/21 9:43pm

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THe next four years will be the beginning of the end for America as we have known it in the world.

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Thank God - This is what the people of the USA by an overwhelming majority voted for.

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Reply #40 posted 02/22/21 4:48am

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AMERICA1ST said:

Biden was bought by China years ago. They have already surpassed us now. THe next four years will be the beginning of the end for America as we have known it in the world.

lol is this the current brainworm being pushed by the far right? You guys just jump from country to country having panic attacks about them don't you?

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Reply #41 posted 02/22/21 6:21pm

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AMERICA1ST said:

THe next four years will be the beginning of the end for America as we have known it in the world.

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Thank God - This is what the people of the USA by an overwhelming majority voted for.

Yes - all the dead people and illegal immigrants and people who had multiple votes under their name ...overwhelming.

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Reply #42 posted 02/22/21 9:17pm

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IanRG said:

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Thank God - This is what the people of the USA by an overwhelming majority voted for.

Yes - all the dead people and illegal immigrants and people who had multiple votes under their name ...overwhelming.

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Even the coup leaders lawyer when they piggy backed on the Texas AG request to overturn another State's election result to the Supreme Court said that there is no evidence of voter fraud that would change the result and there peobably never would be.

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Aside from all the anti-AMERICAN insurrectionists ALL are calling what you parrot a lie.

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Reply #43 posted 02/24/21 8:28pm

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There are CHina towns in many American cities. Why are not there America towns in China where Americans establish economic, cultural, and political influence like CHinese do in the USA?

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Reply #44 posted 02/25/21 10:04am

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I guess the question is...does America thrive best when it has true competition? Or rather is it at it's worst of best behavior?
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Reply #45 posted 02/25/21 10:03pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Why do we do that? Who cares if some country beats us? What does that even mean? Competition is not a good ethic.

Competiton is inherent to life on this planet. It is has been an universal constant in every aspect of existence. Everything competes - even the process of like begins with sperm competing for the egg. We do it because we have to in order to exist on our own. Alas, you are not truly living if you dont compete at some point. If you are not competing, you are not in the game and if you are not in the game, you are a loser.

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Reply #46 posted 02/26/21 2:35am

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onlyforaminute said:

I guess the question is...does America thrive best when it has true competition? Or rather is it at it's worst of best behavior?

It's certainly a society that has been set up on those grounds, at least in theory. In practice, giant monopolies like Amazon, Google and Walmart are pretty much planned economies within the main state, which never fails to make me laugh when people talk about America being the land of free competition.



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2freaky4church1 said:

Why do we do that? Who cares if some country beats us? What does that even mean? Competition is not a good ethic.

Competiton is inherent to life on this planet. It is has been an universal constant in every aspect of existence. Everything competes - even the process of like begins with sperm competing for the egg. We do it because we have to in order to exist on our own. Alas, you are not truly living if you dont compete at some point. If you are not competing, you are not in the game and if you are not in the game, you are a loser.

I mean, we have endless examples in nature and in humanity of this not being true but you wouldn't listen even if I laid them out for you.

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Reply #47 posted 02/26/21 10:18am

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onlyforaminute said:


I guess the question is...does America thrive best when it has true competition? Or rather is it at it's worst of best behavior?

It's certainly a society that has been set up on those grounds, at least in theory. In practice, giant monopolies like Amazon, Google and Walmart are pretty much planned economies within the main state, which never fails to make me laugh when people talk about America being the land of free competition.









I grew in the generation where monopolies were thought of as being the bane of evil. ATT got broken up. Microsoft went thru it.

A Democratic congressional staff report recommends changes to antitrust laws and enforcement that could result in major changes for Big Tech companies, such as spinning off or separating parts of their businesses or making it harder to buy smaller companies.

After a 16-month investigation into competitive practices at Apple, Amazon, Facebook and Google, the House Judiciary subcommittee on antitrust found that the four businesses enjoy monopoly power that needs to be reined in by Congress and enforcers.
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jaawwnn said:

I grew in the generation where monopolies were thought of as being the bane of evil. ATT got broken up. Microsoft went thru it. A Democratic congressional staff report recommends changes to antitrust laws and enforcement that could result in major changes for Big Tech companies, such as spinning off or separating parts of their businesses or making it harder to buy smaller companies. After a 16-month investigation into competitive practices at Apple, Amazon, Facebook and Google, the House Judiciary subcommittee on antitrust found that the four businesses enjoy monopoly power that needs to be reined in by Congress and enforcers.

What do you reckon is going to happen? I can't see anyone in US Congress having the will to break up or nationalize Amazon even partly.

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jaawwnn said:



onlyforaminute said:


jaawwnn said:


I grew in the generation where monopolies were thought of as being the bane of evil. ATT got broken up. Microsoft went thru it. A Democratic congressional staff report recommends changes to antitrust laws and enforcement that could result in major changes for Big Tech companies, such as spinning off or separating parts of their businesses or making it harder to buy smaller companies. After a 16-month investigation into competitive practices at Apple, Amazon, Facebook and Google, the House Judiciary subcommittee on antitrust found that the four businesses enjoy monopoly power that needs to be reined in by Congress and enforcers.


What do you reckon is going to happen? I can't see anyone in US Congress having the will to break up or nationalize Amazon even partly.


Not sure. Many questioned Bezos stepping down at Amazon. It's hard to say why since he also heads Blue Origin and there is a very hyped vigor for the space program these days. I think keeping an eye on things going on across the board with this crop of billionaires and their race towards becoming trillionares is highly important.
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Reply #50 posted 02/27/21 1:54pm

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What Amazon has done is amazing. It's taken them decades to achieve. As the underdog, they took on the dominant brick and mortar stores and beat them to a pulp.

It was all done in super slow-motion and dominant players just back let it happen. Their own ignorance/arrogance is how they got creamed.

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At one point we all looked to Walmart in the same way we now see Amazon. Of course Walmart is still pretty dominant, but much as they once were.

As much as I don't like monopolies, i don't see how/why we would/should go after company just because it is better and smarter.

Amazon infrastructure is massive now. Their scale is so massive. Who can even compete with them? No one can just go after Amazon and think they could do it over night. Amazon has massive warehouses across the world and the technology to run it all. The data centers than run Amazon alone are mind boggling.

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Amazon has become mine and a lot of people's de-facto store. I love it, but I also see how big a problem their dominance is for competition. My biggest problem with Amazon is how they can now rig the system by seeing what sells, and then undercutting others by then selling their own Amazon brands. I definitely think Amazon should be barred from selling their own label products because of unfair advantage.

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So other than limiting Amazon from selling their own products, going after them would just be cutting our nose to spite our face because that would just be allowing/downgraing to a worse shopping experience for the sake foolish irrational frustration.

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