With the Trump era coming to an end, we are seeing news outlets posting their postscripts of the Trump era. And of course, obviously, it is ugly.

Here are a couple published by The Guardian and others..

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Trump fed our worst instincts. His global legacy is toxic and immoral

https://www.theguardian.c...nd-immoral

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Most of the 74,222,957 Americans who voted to re-elect Donald Trump – 46.8%of the votes cast in the 2020 presidential election – don’t hold Trump accountable for what he’s done to America.

Their acceptance of Trump’s behavior will be his vilest legacy.

Nearly forty years ago, political scientist James Q Wilson and criminologist George Kelling observed that a broken window left unattended in a community signals that no one cares if windows are broken there. The broken window is thereby an invitation to throw more stones and break more windows.

The message: do whatever you want here because others have done it and got away with it.

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Trump’s Most Malicious Legacy

https://www.theatlantic.c...cy/617319/

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Trump’s legacy is the plague of extreme lies. Truth-based media is the vaccine

https://www.theguardian.c...he-vaccine

The toxic politics of conspiracies and lies did not start four years ago and will live on beyond Trump. But we can protect ourselves and reward the truth

[Edited 12/27/20 17:44pm]

Hopefully trump's loss will enable the GOP to address this in the USA. And we can address it in our countries

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The toxic impact on Australia is measurable - ASIO used to spend 10 to 15% of its time on preventing domestic far right terrorism. It now spends 40% of its time preventing the fascists and far right anti-government nut jobs.

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We already had the Murdoch press issues as Murdoch learned his tricks and manipulative techniques in Australia before going to the USA.

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The rise of QAnon conspiracy theorists has also been seen in Australia

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The one saving grace for us is our equivalents of trump - Pauline Hanson's One Nation party (Yeah, I know, she does not even attempt to hide it), Clive Palmers United Australia Party and the Australian Conservatives are failing in the elections and polls. The attempt by the far right Peter Dutton to take the leadership and Prime Ministership in the Liberal Party failed because he has had a charisma and intelligence by-pass.

Let's just say his legacy world wide is not good.

The thing is, as with W, ut was obvious from the get-go how it would end. I have a friend who is still in the military as a reservist and and to this day questions "how was anyone supposed to know?"

I roll my eyes and smile and tell him to stop living in his Fox News bubble, that's how.

GW Bush left the US on the brink of a catastrophe and a laughingstock around the world.

Trump likewise.

Took/wasetd $18 BILLION from the military to build 3 miles of wall. Mexico certainy never paid it.

Must have failed every business course he ever took to fail at every financial endeavor he has ever conned his way into. And squandered all of his daddy's money.

His legacy as toxic conman with hate as currency is set in stone.

This poster from The Guardian forum nailed it perfectly;

"People give Trump far too much credit. He's an opportunist in the right place at the right time. Instead of wondering - pointlessly - what his legacy might be (I'd wager there won't be much of one), why not ask what it was about American society that allowed him to become president in the first place. After all, things don't happen in a vacuum, he was the product of a sickness at the heart of the US political class and decades of unresolved social issues; the same ones that have seen the continued decline of the US' reputation since somewhere around Vietnam."

The 'sickness' didn't just start with Trump - it goes back decades. Nixon, Reagan, Bush - as JJ once said, the only difference between them and Trump is Trump had a bigger megaphone. But the message/rhetoric is the same. The question is why do folks keep buying into it?

uPtoWnNY said:

This poster from The Guardian forum nailed it perfectly;

"People give Trump far too much credit. He's an opportunist in the right place at the right time. Instead of wondering - pointlessly - what his legacy might be (I'd wager there won't be much of one), why not ask what it was about American society that allowed him to become president in the first place. After all, things don't happen in a vacuum, he was the product of a sickness at the heart of the US political class and decades of unresolved social issues; the same ones that have seen the continued decline of the US' reputation since somewhere around Vietnam."

The 'sickness' didn't just start with Trump - it goes back decades. Nixon, Reagan, Bush - as JJ once said, the only difference between them and Trump is Trump had a bigger megaphone. But the message/rhetoric is the same. The question is why do folks keep buying into it?

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I understand what the Guardian poster means but trump is especially toxic and immoral.

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The degradation of the conservatives with the anti-Civil Rights and and anti-Feminists leading to the far-right "christians", then the Tea Party extremists aided by the rise of tele-evangelists, far-right radio stations then websites and TV "news" stations created an environment where trump could be selected despite a complete lack of skills (other than promoting an image able to be used against ordinary politicians), a complete lack interest (outside of self-interest) and a complete lack of integrity. Rather than a follow on from previous presidents, trump is just a follow on from image without ability reality celebrities like Paris Hilton and those who followed her and Big Brother style public voting off shows.

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As a former reality TV personality, trump's personal legacy should be short lived as people are fickle and will move on to the next personality -- This is unless he can transform himself into a far-right "news" personality. His global legacy is in how he has shown that reality personalities inspiring and supporting extremist can beat moderate politicians or politicians striving to fit the party cookie cutter mold. Also he showed how inadequate the normal checks and balances are when the person can inspire a cult of personality e.g. Where a group of anti-metrosexual misogynists known as the proud boys can be transformed into a terrorist far-right militia able to called to stand by and fight for a reality TV celebrity. Fortunately, many have tried to create an equivalent cult following and most have and will fail.

SexyMuthaF said:

Trump haters have no idea what immoral is they support immoral antifa who takes over motels refuses to leave and causes owner to go out of business

There you go with your ANTIFA. You republicans love ANTIFA.

Never hear about them, only right wingers know anything about them.

You need your own boogieman to make you feel better about yourselves

SexyMuthaF said:

Trump haters have no idea what immoral is they support immoral antifa who takes over motels refuses to leave and causes owner to go out of business

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Immorality has nothing to do with partisan politics - except that imagining immorality is only by the other side is the height of immorality.

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How moral do you think trump is?

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Do you want to see the Dems use the tactics trump has used?

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Do you want to see leftist extremists seek to commit insurrection at a Dem President's call just because a GOP Governor does not do what that President wanted?

SexyMuthaF said:

Nearly all politicians are immoral in some ways

lol

Everyone has a bit of douche in them right? As long as it's your man it's all good. If it's Trump, for you, anything goes.

You woud be supporting your favorite ANTIFA at the drop of a hat if Trump told you to.

He could shoot a baby in the face on 5th Ave and you would smile politely

Everyone shoots a baby in the face in some ways.

[Edited 12/31/20 6:59am]

v10letblues said:

SexyMuthaF said:

Nearly all politicians are immoral in some ways

lol

Everyone has a bit of douche in them right? As long as it's your man it's all good. If it's Trump, for you, anything goes.

You woud be supporting your favorite ANTIFA at the drop of a hat if Trump told you to.

He could shoot a baby in the face on 5th Ave and you would smile politely

Everyone shoots a baby in the face in some ways.

[Edited 12/31/20 6:59am]

SexyMuthaF said:

Nearly all politicians are immoral in some ways

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Knowing this, why pretend that it is only the side you hate that you attack as not knowing what morality is, when to do so you have defended one of the least moral politicians ever - lame duck trump?

SexyMuthaF said:

I dont hate anybody or anything

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You hide your lack of hate far too well.

SexyMuthaF said:

I am the only one who admits and criticizes mistakes and behavior on both sides show me one time where you praised trump or criticized dems I'll wait

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What a load of rot. This thread is about trump but you showed your hate of the Dems by deflecting to how bad they were for not arguing against some made up: Attributing an action by Tacoma Housing Now to bring the plight of rising homeless with trump's covid19 failures to a resolution as if this is by antifa.

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You cannot bring yourself to criticise lame duck trump except with broad statements like nearly all politicians are immoral as response to:

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"Immorality has nothing to do with partisan politics - except that imagining immorality is only by the other side is the height of immorality.

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How moral do you think trump is?

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Do you want to see the Dems use the tactics trump has used?

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Do you want to see leftist extremists seek to commit insurrection at a Dem President's call just because a GOP Governor does not do what that President wanted?"

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You could bring yourself to answer these except by attacking others for not being as good as you.

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PS I have criticised the Dems here to the annoyance of some here or who used to be here - that it is far less than I have criticised trump is because he has been an all time low in regards to honesty, integrity and morality.

SexyMuthaF said:

Your unable to give trump credit for anything thank you for proving my point

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Actually, the thread is about lame duck trump's toxic and immoral legacy. I would be going off-topic to seek to make this about praising trump. I would need to be as bad as you are being.

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You, in your inability to admit and address the evil and immoral acts committed by the outgoing president, are seeking to take the thread off topic to praise trump instead.

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In regard to the topic, you have no point.

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You are proving my on topic point - you cannot answer whether you would happy for the Dems to use the tactics trump used. You cannot answer if you would happy for leftist extremists to seek to commit insurrection against a GOP governor at the President's call.

Toxic with 1/3rd the country just like him.

IanRG said:

SexyMuthaF said:

Trump haters have no idea what immoral is they support immoral antifa who takes over motels refuses to leave and causes owner to go out of business

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Immorality has nothing to do with partisan politics - except that imagining immorality is only by the other side is the height of immorality.

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How moral do you think trump is?

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Do you want to see the Dems use the tactics trump has used?

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Do you want to see leftist extremists seek to commit insurrection at a Dem President's call just because a GOP Governor does not do what that President wanted?

In regard to the trumpism shit show, that's the best thing I've read in a while. A simple but extremely powerful statement. What you said should get any Republican with half a brain and half a care about the USA, to immediately change their thoughts on whether trump has helped or hurt the United States of America. They'd unequivocally lose their shit if a Democrat or progressive had did the things that trump has done. They would have already hurt somebody or done some other heinous shit, and that's why i really don't like a lot of trump loving Republicans. Their hypocrisy is sickening! And they have the nerve to talk about people playing politics.


Thank whomever, that the fool is almost gone. Hopefully by this time next year he'll be on trial or in jail.

SexyMuthaF said:

Following both the 2004 and 2016 elections the Dems in Congress objected during the certification of electoral votes in order to raise concerns about election integrity. They were praised by dem leadership and the media when they did. So yall saying gop is doing something immoral are full of it BWAHAHAHA happy new year

Anything to help make you feel better about supporting Trump.

If this is therapy and it helps you, then great. But if it only keeps you in denial, then that should be worrisome. My guess is you are just trolling to get your socks off.

SexyMuthaF said:

The nonsense and constant fake criticism says libs are obsessed with posting ‘all things negative’ about trump and conservatives. Seems it’s something libs do to calm their insecurities of ‘all things positive’ about trump and conservatives. Libs can’t handle that. 😃

Start a thread about how wonderful Trump is, his achievements and all the publications touting his amazing legacy and great he is.

Hey, go for it. Start thread about something you feel strongly about. No one is stopping you.

SexyMuthaF said:

I dont know how and dont have the time or desire.

But you DO have the time to post on every single Trump thread at all hours of the day or night and respond immediately to every post.

okie dokie.

I understand