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Kyle Rittenhouse OUT on bail





Kyle Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old charged with gunning down two people during Black Lives Matter protests in Kenosha, Wis., posed for a photo with actor Ricky Schroder and his attorney after posting bail Friday.


Wood said Schroder and MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell donated the final money needed to pay Rittenhouse’s $2 million bail.


All three smiled, celebrating the occasion.


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Reply #1 posted 11/21/20 3:52pm

SexyMuthaF

Ricky Schroder was the first zack morris. Prolly before everyones time. Good thing he's out, he did nothing wrong. Self defense, vids prove it.
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Reply #2 posted 11/21/20 4:02pm

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SexyMuthaF said:

Ricky Schroder was the first zack morris. Prolly before everyones time. Good thing he's out, he did nothing wrong. Self defense, vids prove it.

Oh bullshit.

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Reply #3 posted 11/21/20 6:49pm

TrivialPursuit

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SexyMuthaF said:

Good thing he's out, he did nothing wrong. Self defense, vids prove it.


I have had wrestled with this issue since it happened. At first, my thought was "fuck that kid, he's a danger to society."

Then all one has to do is follow the timeline and watch that video.

Crossing a state line or buying a gun is another issue, so I won't address those.

One of the men shot by Rittenhouse had been vandalizing property before the moment he was shot. There were at least three people chasing after Rittenhouse. He had no shot anyone before that, and wasn't in the street lawlessly firing at people. His gun had remained un-discharged to the moment in question.

Rittenhouse had previous stated, in a random video from earlier that evening, that he was there with others to protect local businesses from looters. Many people see BLM as a violent group. I do not believe that BLM is some terrorist organization, and never will. I don't know Rittenhouse's view on them. But his words were clear. He was there with others to protect businesses. Clearly, from earlier protests anyone around had decided to loot store, set property on fire, etc.

Later, people were chasing after him. He fell to the ground, clearly in a vulnerable position as anyone would be on the ground and not on their feet. At least two men approached him. Rittenhouse had no idea what their intentions were however it was fair to say he felt threatened in some fashion. He didn't know if they were armed, or if they had ill-intentions against him for carrying a weapon or whatever. He fired to protect himself. If memory serves, the third person that approached him was an EMT or something (the one that got his arm blown off) and said he was going to render help. To whom, I don't know.

I don't believe this kid was radicalized nor set out to shoot people. He had a gun, so did others. How he got it is beside the point. A lot of people own illegal guns, doesn't make them murderers or killers. If he had not fallen backwards and landed on his butt, he probably would've kept running away from the people following him, and been left to not feel threatened.

But if I were in his position, with a weapon and people were suddenly charging me and standing over me, you're fucking right I'd protect myself. He doesn't owe it to anyone, especially a random citizen, to let himself be overtaken by people older and possibly stronger than him.

Feelings and conjecture aside, the video, in full, is pretty clear.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #4 posted 11/21/20 7:10pm

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So he drove from Illinois, where he lived, to Wisconsin to protect business's?...

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Reply #5 posted 11/21/20 7:18pm

TrivialPursuit

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PennyPurple said:

So he drove from Illinois, where he lived, to Wisconsin to protect business's?...


One is implying he drove for some other nefarious purpose?

By the way, Illinois & Wisconsin border each other. From Antioch to Kenosha is under 3 hours, what most of us would drive just go get to a Le Creuset or Ralph Lauren outlet on a Saturday with our gal pals.

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"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #6 posted 11/21/20 7:29pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

PennyPurple said:

So he drove from Illinois, where he lived, to Wisconsin to protect business's?...


One is implying he drove for some other nefarious purpose?

By the way, Illinois & Wisconsin border each other. From Antioch to Kenosha is under 3 hours, what most of us would drive just go get to a Le Creuset or Ralph Lauren outlet on a Saturday with our gal pals.

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I believe he wanted trouble, and he got it.

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Reply #7 posted 11/21/20 8:21pm

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PennyPurple said:

So he drove from Illinois, where he lived, to Wisconsin to protect business's?...

yeah so? it was not that far... that is not even an issue.

No Matter How ANYONE tries to justify it our rights, freedoms, and Liberties are being restricted in the name of COVID-19.
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Reply #8 posted 11/21/20 8:28pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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PennyPurple said:

TrivialPursuit said:


One is implying he drove for some other nefarious purpose?

By the way, Illinois & Wisconsin border each other. From Antioch to Kenosha is under 3 hours, what most of us would drive just go get to a Le Creuset or Ralph Lauren outlet on a Saturday with our gal pals.

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I believe he wanted trouble, and he got it.

proving he was looking for trouble is going to be hard to do...being prepared is not a crime. having the gun on him is a misdemeanor and thus can not be used as an aggravating factor. he was clearly attacked each of the 3 times he shot someone. Th charges should be dropped with prejudice.

No Matter How ANYONE tries to justify it our rights, freedoms, and Liberties are being restricted in the name of COVID-19.
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Reply #9 posted 11/21/20 9:18pm

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Plus, he's WHITE...He gets the benefit of a doubt

A Black doing that exact same thing would be under the jail by now...

[Edited 11/21/20 21:25pm]

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Reply #10 posted 11/21/20 10:13pm

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jjhunsecker said:

Plus, he's WHITE...He gets the benefit of a doubt

A Black doing that exact same thing would be under the jail by now...

[Edited 11/21/20 21:25pm]

... or dead

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Reply #11 posted 11/21/20 10:20pm

IanRG

TrivialPursuit said:

SexyMuthaF said:

Good thing he's out, he did nothing wrong. Self defense, vids prove it.


I have had wrestled with this issue since it happened. At first, my thought was "fuck that kid, he's a danger to society."

Then all one has to do is follow the timeline and watch that video.

Crossing a state line or buying a gun is another issue, so I won't address those.

One of the men shot by Rittenhouse had been vandalizing property before the moment he was shot. There were at least three people chasing after Rittenhouse. He had no shot anyone before that, and wasn't in the street lawlessly firing at people. His gun had remained un-discharged to the moment in question.

Rittenhouse had previous stated, in a random video from earlier that evening, that he was there with others to protect local businesses from looters. Many people see BLM as a violent group. I do not believe that BLM is some terrorist organization, and never will. I don't know Rittenhouse's view on them. But his words were clear. He was there with others to protect businesses. Clearly, from earlier protests anyone around had decided to loot store, set property on fire, etc.

Later, people were chasing after him. He fell to the ground, clearly in a vulnerable position as anyone would be on the ground and not on their feet. At least two men approached him. Rittenhouse had no idea what their intentions were however it was fair to say he felt threatened in some fashion. He didn't know if they were armed, or if they had ill-intentions against him for carrying a weapon or whatever. He fired to protect himself. If memory serves, the third person that approached him was an EMT or something (the one that got his arm blown off) and said he was going to render help. To whom, I don't know.

I don't believe this kid was radicalized nor set out to shoot people. He had a gun, so did others. How he got it is beside the point. A lot of people own illegal guns, doesn't make them murderers or killers. If he had not fallen backwards and landed on his butt, he probably would've kept running away from the people following him, and been left to not feel threatened.

But if I were in his position, with a weapon and people were suddenly charging me and standing over me, you're fucking right I'd protect myself. He doesn't owe it to anyone, especially a random citizen, to let himself be overtaken by people older and possibly stronger than him.

Feelings and conjecture aside, the video, in full, is pretty clear.

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There are way too many assumptions, primarily about his objective and his actions on and off video.

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The worst part of this argument is that you do not think someone travelling 3 hours with their gun to engage with people he is politically opposed to is the equivalent of a gal pal trip to a fashion shop and not a sign of being radicalised. He not only had a gun but he was intent on using it and boasted about shooting people on socials. How many others did the same thing that day?

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I think he will get off but this is part of the problem that BLM is seeking to end. If he gets off it, it will be because of his colour and the cowboy vigilante obsession that drives so much of the gun violence in the USA.

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Reply #12 posted 11/22/20 1:07am

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IanRG said:



jjhunsecker said:


Plus, he's WHITE...He gets the benefit of a doubt


A Black doing that exact same thing would be under the jail by now...


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... or dead



Try to imagine a Black guy showing up at a Unite the Right rally or one of those Liberate (fill in the blank) gatherings with a gun because he wanted to “protect property “, and he ended up shooting some people in “self defense “.... like you said, they’d be carrying his corpse out of there a minute and a half after he fired his first round
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Reply #13 posted 11/22/20 4:21am

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Yeah I figured that cold-blooded murderer would find a way out. Did trump call him and congratulate him? Or were the cops that gave him a high-five and a bottle of water, after he murdered two protesters, there to cheer him on after being released? Maybe they took him for some lunch. popcorn
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Reply #14 posted 11/22/20 4:26am

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PennyPurple said:

So he drove from Illinois, where he lived, to Wisconsin to protect business's?...


Exactly. lol Wow. I remember some nutty righties defending him for killing two unarmed protesters. I mean Ritty had a big ass rifle, and the protesters had no weapon. How were they a threat to him, when he was the one with the dangerous weapon pointing and walking in a crowd, and was not law enforcement. If he was suppose to be protecting businesses, why was he waking through the crowd with a weapon?

It’s obvious some tried to get the gun from him, because they probably thought he was going to start shooting at people, and he panicked and ran. He should have known better.
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Reply #15 posted 11/22/20 4:34am

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jjhunsecker said:

Plus, he's WHITE...He gets the benefit of a doubt


A Black doing that exact same thing would be under the jail by now...

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They would have shot him dead on the spot. The cops damn sure wouldn’t have given him a bottle of water or a high five, like they did with that kid. He would not have had any chance to say it was self-defense, because just holding that kind of weapon and being Black, would have got him shot immediately by cops.

Trump will probably send him a Christmas gift.

He willingly went into the crowd with a weapon. He was not part of law enforcement so he should not have been there with a gun in the first place. That’s the part that seems to be dismissed.
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Reply #16 posted 11/22/20 4:59am

SexyMuthaF

Look up john Muhammad and lee Malvo, they killed 17 in random sniper attacks and were treated with kid gloves by police.shoulda both been executed but instead are living easy life in cushy prison.
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Reply #17 posted 11/22/20 5:56am

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jjhunsecker said:

Plus, he's WHITE...He gets the benefit of a doubt

A Black doing that exact same thing would be under the jail by now...

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No, they would've been shot on sight, not offered a bottle of water and to be able to walk away to go back home to Illinois.

Edited to add: I replied without reading the other replys, but it looks like we are all saying the same thing.

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Reply #18 posted 11/22/20 7:24am

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PennyPurple said:

jjhunsecker said:

Plus, he's WHITE...He gets the benefit of a doubt

A Black doing that exact same thing would be under the jail by now...

[Edited 11/21/20 21:25pm]

No, they would've been shot on sight, not offered a bottle of water and to be able to walk away to go back home to Illinois.

Edited to add: I replied without reading the other replys, but it looks like we are all saying the same thing.

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Huh? I have seem armed black me out...one was at a tea party rally with guns and he was not shot and the lying media went out of there way to NOT show he was black.

No Matter How ANYONE tries to justify it our rights, freedoms, and Liberties are being restricted in the name of COVID-19.
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Reply #19 posted 11/22/20 7:26am

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most of the time black subjects are taking into custody without much resistance. BLM has a valid point but most of the time the person is not harmed...even when the do resist, run, or are using a weapon.

No Matter How ANYONE tries to justify it our rights, freedoms, and Liberties are being restricted in the name of COVID-19.
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Reply #20 posted 11/22/20 7:38am

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2elijah said:

PennyPurple said:

So he drove from Illinois, where he lived, to Wisconsin to protect business's?...


Exactly. lol Wow. I remember some nutty righties defending him for killing two unarmed protesters. I mean Ritty had a big ass rifle, and the protesters had no weapon. How were they a threat to him, when he was the one with the dangerous weapon pointing and walking in a crowd, and was not law enforcement. If he was suppose to be protecting businesses, why was he waking through the crowd with a weapon?

It’s obvious some tried to get the gun from him, because they probably thought he was going to start shooting at people, and he panicked and ran. He should have known better.
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True... the people in the crowd probably assumed that he was a potential mass shooter, and went after him to disarm him. Why else would they go after him? But there are different rules for different people
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Reply #21 posted 11/22/20 7:50am

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IanRG said:



jjhunsecker said:


Plus, he's WHITE...He gets the benefit of a doubt


A Black doing that exact same thing would be under the jail by now...


[Edited 11/21/20 21:25pm]




... or dead


Or dead, exactly!
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Reply #22 posted 11/22/20 7:53am

SexyMuthaF

So much ignorance by far left. First they went after Kyle because he was extinguishing fires the rioters had started, then they went after him for shooting the short bald asshole, plus he was wearing similar clothes to another guy thet was there. It's all well documented.
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Reply #23 posted 11/22/20 7:57am

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jjhunsecker said:

2elijah said:
Exactly. lol Wow. I remember some nutty righties defending him for killing two unarmed protesters. I mean Ritty had a big ass rifle, and the protesters had no weapon. How were they a threat to him, when he was the one with the dangerous weapon pointing and walking in a crowd, and was not law enforcement. If he was suppose to be protecting businesses, why was he waking through the crowd with a weapon? It’s obvious some tried to get the gun from him, because they probably thought he was going to start shooting at people, and he panicked and ran. He should have known better. [Edited 11/22/20 7:05am]
True... the people in the crowd probably assumed that he was a potential mass shooter, and went after him to disarm him. Why else would they go after him? But there are different rules for different people

Huh?

the video (what little that I have seen) contracts that. He put out a fire and that is when he was attacked. And EVEN if they did... that is still a felony. See it is legal 100% legal for an adult (they had no reason to assume he was not 18) to openly carry a rifle... so the fact that he had one is NOT a basis to assume criminality: PERIOD.

it also shows the folly of vigilante mob *in this case an actual lynch mob* taking the law into their own hands... as it is a yuge risk you take... you better be correct.

also there is something many people MISS (many here never grasped it in the Martin case) that the state of mind, the motive, of the victim is not relevant to the state of mind, in that moment of the defendant.

Also several people here have made up the deception that the violent, destructive elements of the BLM protests are all white supremacist... so are the people that attacked Kyle White supremacist?

No Matter How ANYONE tries to justify it our rights, freedoms, and Liberties are being restricted in the name of COVID-19.
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Reply #24 posted 11/22/20 8:07am

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SexyMuthaF said:

So much ignorance by far left. First they went after Kyle because he was extinguishing fires the rioters had started, then they went after him for shooting the short bald asshole, plus he was wearing similar clothes to another guy thet was there. It's all well documented.

it is on video and one thing that Wisconsin got Right was their self defence laws. and we KNOW that some are dishonest when they make up that Illinois should have charged him? For what? LOLZ

or make up that because he had a gun he must have planned it? wow so he planned to be attacked? He arranged for some criminals to set a fire in a rolling trash bin to be used as a weapon against police so he could put out the fire so that he would get attacked so he could shoot someone?


Right! Or the total fantasy that if he was black he would have been murdered?

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SexyMuthaF said:

Look up john Muhammad and lee Malvo, they killed 17 in random sniper attacks and were treated with kid gloves by police.shoulda both been executed but instead are living easy life in cushy prison.

So you’re against trials and the rule of law? For police to summarily execute any suspect in a crime? Sounds like a wish for the creation of a police state.

Those two killers are I jail ... along with many other serial murderers
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Reply #26 posted 11/22/20 8:12am

SexyMuthaF

These are not race riots they are political riots. The white troublemakers are activists who claim to be rioting in pursuit of racial justice so why does everybody lie and call them white supremacists?
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Reply #27 posted 11/22/20 8:14am

SexyMuthaF

J I was proving you wrong about cops always shooting black suspects. If ever two deserved to be shot by police it's those two, but they weren't.
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Reply #28 posted 11/22/20 8:15am

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jjhunsecker said:

SexyMuthaF said:
Look up john Muhammad and lee Malvo, they killed 17 in random sniper attacks and were treated with kid gloves by police.shoulda both been executed but instead are living easy life in cushy prison.
So you’re against trials and the rule of law? For police to summarily execute any suspect in a crime? Sounds like a wish for the creation of a police state. Those two killers are I jail ... along with many other serial murderers

Huh? neither SexyMuthaF nor myself are suggesting anyone should not be taken peacfully...if anyone is suggesting some should be shot and killed it is... others spreading the myth that if he was black he would have been.

No Matter How ANYONE tries to justify it our rights, freedoms, and Liberties are being restricted in the name of COVID-19.
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Reply #29 posted 11/22/20 8:18am

SexyMuthaF

Exactly. No matter how evil the suspect they should always be taken in peacefully.
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