Whose side are the Founding Fathers on?

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samuelmcneal said:

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So many of these might mean the opposite of what conservative people (or pro Trump or QAnon proponants) think.

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samuelmcneal said:

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So many of these might mean the opposite of what conservative people (or pro Trump or QAnon proponants) think.

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They are also taken out of context. The founding fathers would very likely be horrified to find out their words were being confused as support for enabling the spread of disease and death at the rate that trump and US governments have allowed this to occur.

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Starting with the first: JFK woukld have been horrified at trump's lies to keep unpleasant facts from people lest it impact on his re-electability. Franklin would be ashamed to find out people think "temporary safety" meant don't seek to manage a world-wide pandemic where the US is managing this worse than every other nation on Earth. John Adams is placing safety before the profit, honor and private interests of an individual, such as trump, a family such as trump's family and a class, such as trump's class. This together with Jefferson's protection of the free press against things like trump's attacks on the free press and his holding up legislation unless a restriction on certain media is added just sees the rest of this go off-topic.

SexyMuthaF said:

Love Clint's gun control policy BWAHAHAHA

You mean this?

http://issues2000.org/Cel...ontrol.htm

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'Black Panther' star faces backlash after sharing anti-vaccination video

LONDON — Hollywood actor Letitia Wright has triggered a wave of criticism from fans and followers after sharing anti-vaccination propaganda.

Among those calling her out was "Avengers: Endgame" co-star Don Cheadle, who on Friday labelled the video "hot garbage," adding that he would "never defend anybody posting this."

Wright, who has not responded to NBC News' request for comment, said she was not against taking a vaccine but simply wanted to ask questions.

"I'm just concerned about what's in it that's all," she initially wrote on Twitter, interacting with fans.

Facing a barrage of comments, the Guyanese-born star defended herself on Friday, tweeting: "My ONLY intention of posting the video was it raised my concerns with what the vaccine contains and what we are putting in our bodies."...

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Wright, who starred alongside the late Chadwick Boseman in the hit 2018 "Black Panther" movie, on Thursday posted a video on Twitter that makes unsubstantiated claims about coronavirus vaccines. She was swiftly rebuked for being "irresponsible" and "reckless."

OldFriends4Sale said:

'Black Panther' star face... (msn.com)

'Black Panther' star faces backlash after sharing anti-vaccination video

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'Black Panther' star faces backlash after sharing anti-vaccination video

LONDON — Hollywood actor Letitia Wright has triggered a wave of criticism from fans and followers after sharing anti-vaccination propaganda.

Among those calling her out was "Avengers: Endgame" co-star Don Cheadle, who on Friday labelled the video "hot garbage," adding that he would "never defend anybody posting this."

Wright, who has not responded to NBC News' request for comment, said she was not against taking a vaccine but simply wanted to ask questions.

"I'm just concerned about what's in it that's all," she initially wrote on Twitter, interacting with fans.

Facing a barrage of comments, the Guyanese-born star defended herself on Friday, tweeting: "My ONLY intention of posting the video was it raised my concerns with what the vaccine contains and what we are putting in our bodies."...

'Black Panther' star face... (msn.com)

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Wright, who starred alongside the late Chadwick Boseman in the hit 2018 "Black Panther" movie, on Thursday posted a video on Twitter that makes unsubstantiated claims about coronavirus vaccines. She was swiftly rebuked for being "irresponsible" and "reckless."

This is what it is ALL ABOUT 'CRITICAL QUESTIONING/THINKING'!!!! You DON'T JUST TAKE STUFF(like a Vaccine Or Whatever Else) BY JUST TO BE TAKING IT!!!!

given how Joe is going to abuse his power to try to force states to take away rights. And YES the requirement to wear a mask in public is absolutely taking away a right. Now some will make up a total falsehood that it isn't... that somehow it isn't? but still justified? It amusing to say the least.

To say it is managing something... yeah just like how some US Citizens were MANAGED in the 1940s... but still say it is not a violation of his rights is double speak.

SexyMuthaF said:

We are also in a Pay To Stay Open situation. Politicians allowing exemptions for certain businesses .... for a price.

yeah and the bigot in new york was targeting places of worship for much stricter restrictions than other businesses. That is sick stuff. It is a clear attack on the first amendment.

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given how Joe is going to abuse his power to try to force states to take away rights. And YES the requirement to wear a mask in public is absolutely taking away a right. Now some will make up a total falsehood that it isn't... that somehow it isn't? but still justified? It amusing to say the least.

To say it is managing something... yeah just like how some US Citizens were MANAGED in the 1940s... but still say it is not a violation of his rights is double speak.

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That something you did not name is a pandemic that is expected to kill more than 400,000 people in the USA. This fact is not something that can dismissed as double speak. Close to 290,000 of these are really dead already. President Unelect trump's failure to manage this is a key factor in each and every one of these deaths and each and every business affected by his stuff up and each and every person affected affected by this crisis.

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The double speak is from you. There is not a single right, liberty or freedom that is not managed - managed in how it is enabled, managed in how it is protected and managed in how it is allowed to be exercised in balance with other liberties, rights, freedoms and laws. That the USA removes the rights, freedoms and liberties of different citizens on a daily basis since its foundations (and not just for some unmentioned purpose in the 1940s) does not mean that seeking to manage a pandemic is just an excuse to strip away liberties, rights and freedoms - They all still remain - It is falsehood to say that these rights, liberties and freedoms have been stripped away.

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Also, I see what you doing - The thread it not about what you think Biden will do once he is President so you can pass the buck to him. It is about whether covid 19 is currently being used as an excuse to strip away civil liberties, rights and freedoms since it started. Seeking to isolate it from how it is being managed under trump's presidency is disengenuous partisan game play.

Yep, now Rudy tests positive for the Trump virus. Told lab that he wants the results overturned.

v10letblues said:

Yep, now Rudy tests positive for the Trump virus. Told lab that he wants the results overturned.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

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I'm sorry for your loss. I don't have any friends who have gotten to the ICU stage of dealing with Covid, but I have known a couple of healthy people who have had it - months ago - but still have recurring conditions (I aknowledge that some neurological issues can also be related to being in our state of lockdown / isolation).

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It makes one wonder if Covid-19 infection/exposure will eventually get categorized as a pre-existing condition.

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As to stripping away rights? It seems most mandates or fines have been temporary. Goals are given to achieve getting out of a phase - at least in my state, these things are clearly defined. Aside from the usual Conservative / Liberal pissing match, I don't think anyone will allow a permanent law to be passed.

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I find it amazing that roughly 80 years ago, isolationist as we were - once we went into an unpopular war - civilians made personal sacrifices to achieve success. Buying war bonds. Rationing. Going into different trades. It created what eventually became the greatest generation.

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Compare that to today. We do silly, symbolic things to demonstrate our patriotism - but the reality is, an opportunity to demonstrate our patriotism or love of country doesn't show up in every generation. I think this was that opportunity, botched it, and we've only demonstrated that America simply doesn't have the right stuff anymore. Patriotism is prioritized somewhere below narcissistic conspiracy fetishism and the counterintuitive libertarian love of freedom that can only be expressed by being an asshole.

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a temporary loss is still a loss. some just accept the government's orders... some point out the flaws. others with standing are going to push back and some of them will win. again that proved the OP's question.

It's fascinating how we can flip flop between extremities in language. I took the op to imply our rights are stripped away (forging an unprecedented turn) - perhaps the allcaps in hysterics shaded my interpretation. And no, I dont think a temporary loss is still a loss, because the whole point of what I posted was that when Americans had what it takes to be Americans, temporary sacrificies were endured and it was never necessary to ask the question.

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So to put the question differently: do you value the civil rights/liberties of people who want to protect their health, or the health of their loved ones, below those who need to comply with temporary behaviours to maintain a functioning society in extreme circumstances? How do you view what is a civil liberty?

Can you believe this shit?

We basically have to hunker down and follow the strict protocols through Jan./Feb (flu season), as the ICU's are close to full every year with current/past smokers with emphysema. Many of them end up with pneumonias from reg. flu which require ventilators. They are difficult to wean from vents often staying in ICU's 2-3 weeks, hence the high census (occupancy) in ICU's in flu season. When you add Covid to the equation, things get dicey.

In CA, the vaccines will start to be given in 1-2 weeks.

The first vaccines will be given to health care workers, then nursing home residents, then 65+, etc.

Everyone take a breath...it will start to get better.

SexyMuthaF said:

No penny I dont believe that shit only a moron would.

Better start believing it, because that's what your prez trump did.

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Margot said:

We basically have to hunker down and follow the strict protocols through Jan./Feb (flu season), as the ICU's are close to full every year with current/past smokers with emphysema. Many of them end up with pneumonias from reg. flu which require ventilators. They are difficult to wean from vents often staying in ICU's 2-3 weeks, hence the high census (occupancy) in ICU's in flu season. When you add Covid to the equation, things get dicey.

In CA, the vaccines will start to be given in 1-2 weeks.

The first vaccines will be given to health care workers, then nursing home residents, then 65+, etc.

Everyone take a breath...it will start to get better.

Are you going to get the vaccine if it becomes available to you? Are they making it mandatory at your hospital?

The hospital where I work at, sent a survey out this week to the employee's, asking if we thought the vaccine should be mandatory.

To me, not enough trials have been done, how do we know that something in it, won't cause cancer in a couple of years, or any other 100's of things it can do? Do you think it's worth the risk?

PennyPurple said:

Can you believe this shit?

News And Guts

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BREAKING: The Trump administration ordered only enough vaccines for 50 million Americans from Pfizer. The drug giant went back to the White House last summer to make sure officials didn’t want to order more. Trump officials passed and now Pfizer is back-ordered until June.

and there are other companies making them. How many do we need? The last report i read said less that 50% of yhr poprl said they would get one. So 50 million is about 1/3 of thoes so that is a very good start...

Americans love authoritarianism.

2freaky4church1 said:

Americans love authoritarianism.

you seem to.

Anarchy boy.

2freaky4church1 said:

Anarchy boy.

I do not think you are. I would say no one is. Some think they are as they assume that all other things would be about the same. They would not...people would take advantage and someone not at all bound by any rule of law would fill that power vacuum.


you have a car? well I want it... opps you left your keys on the table? Yoink! What can you do?