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Kurt Russell: Actors Should Not Get Political, It Hurts The Craft

This is a odd one. Is this P&R? Idk. It's an opinion piece.

Kurt's been around a long time.
https://www.dailywire.com...-the-craft
Actor Kurt Russell may find himself in the crosshairs of another Twitter cancel campaign for daring to say that Hollywood actors should stay away from politics, arguing that it hurts their craft and alienates audiences.

Speaking with The New York Times, Russell likened himself to a “Court Jester” and wanted to keep that image instead of becoming just another talking head.

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“I’ve always been someone who felt we are court jesters,” said Russell. “That’s what we do. As far as I’m concerned, you should step away from saying anything so that you can still be seen by the audience in any character.”

Though Russell certainly believed actors should have their own views and be informed about issues, he felt that they “lose their status as a court jester” the moment they become political.
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Reply #1 posted 11/19/20 5:45pm

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I guess some actors don't consider themselves court jesters... lol

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Reply #2 posted 11/20/20 1:25am

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I don't think he's ENTIRELY wrong. It's never bothered me but for a while there you couldn't read any reviews for a Tom Cruise movie without the reviewer mentioning that he was a scientologist. Like it or not, if an actor is constantly in the news for one thing or another, be it their chosen religion or political stances, that can play on an audiences mind when they're watching that actor in a movie.

I was much happier before I found out that Dean Cain was a fanatically religious Trump supporter, for example. I'll still watch his Superman show because it doesn't bother me THAT much. I mean, I'll still watch Ghost Dad if it's on and Bill Cosby is a far bigger scumbag than Dean Cain. But some people find Bill Cosby's work hard to watch now. And that's understandable, kind of. And even though there's a massive difference between what Dean Cain believes is right and what Bill Cosby did, a lot of people do unfortunately believe that people with a different political alignment should be "cancelled". Which is, I think, what Kurt Russell is getting at.

Having said that, it's not for Kurt Russell to lay down the law for other actors. If someone believes strongly in a political cause, then they have the right to speak out on it. But they have to be prepared for the consequences of saying something that could alienate half their audience.
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Reply #3 posted 11/20/20 5:13am

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I actually agree with him.

It's like Actor B saying "People who think/vote/side with ____ are wrong, but come out and support me with your $ at the theater" It does affect things.

It's similar but a little different with musicians and sports.

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Reply #4 posted 11/20/20 8:02am

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He's not wrong in a few ways, but he's wrong in the greater sense.

Acting is about reflecting humanity. Politics are a core byproduct of our human make up. There's a reason why entertainment is targeted. We are a storytelling animal. It's how we learn and grow.

An argument can be made against political censorship, if that's what he's on about. As well as diminishing capital returns, should you turn off an audience, or fear of turning off an audience.
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Reply #5 posted 11/20/20 9:38am

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Kurt Russell is right...Actors, Musicians, Athletes, Entertainers.. STFU about politics

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Reply #6 posted 11/20/20 10:35am

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RJOrion said:

Kurt Russell is right...Actors, Musicians, Athletes, Entertainers.. STFU about politics

How about grocery store clerks, preachers, or surgeons?

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Reply #7 posted 11/20/20 10:42am

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ufoclub said:



RJOrion said:


Kurt Russell is right...Actors, Musicians, Athletes, Entertainers.. STFU about politics




How about grocery store clerks, preachers, or surgeons?




are those jobs public entertainers with fanbases involved?...ticket sales involved?...marketing schemes and plans involved?...outside distributors and investors involved?...ratings, soundscans and streaming numbers involved?...


smarten up... that was an asinine question
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Reply #8 posted 11/20/20 8:52pm

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RJOrion said:

ufoclub said:

How about grocery store clerks, preachers, or surgeons?

are those jobs public entertainers with fanbases involved?...ticket sales involved?...marketing schemes and plans involved?...outside distributors and investors involved?...ratings, soundscans and streaming numbers involved?... smarten up... that was an asinine question

Certainly a preacher has his congregation, right? A televangelist has his entire audience?

A reality show star has a built in market.

Correct?

Seems to me that Ben Carson voiced on the subject and even grew the ambitions that moved him into politics. Wiith a fanbase.

[Edited 11/21/20 7:56am]

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Reply #9 posted 11/21/20 2:16am

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Johnny Carson had it down pat.

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Reply #10 posted 11/21/20 8:38am

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ufoclub said:

RJOrion said:

ufoclub said: are those jobs public entertainers with fanbases involved?...ticket sales involved?...marketing schemes and plans involved?...outside distributors and investors involved?...ratings, soundscans and streaming numbers involved?... smarten up... that was an asinine question

Certainly a preacher has his congregation, right? A televangelist has his entire audience?

A reality show star has a built in market.

Correct?

Seems to me that Ben Carson voiced on the subject and even grew the ambitions that moved him into politics. Wiith a fanbase.

[Edited 11/21/20 7:56am]

There is a slight difference though: entertainers pay taxes. Churches don't.

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And who holds the more influence and sway?

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Reply #11 posted 11/21/20 9:18am

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MarkThrust said:

ufoclub said:

Certainly a preacher has his congregation, right? A televangelist has his entire audience?

A reality show star has a built in market.

Correct?

Seems to me that Ben Carson voiced on the subject and even grew the ambitions that moved him into politics. Wiith a fanbase.

[Edited 11/21/20 7:56am]

There is a slight difference though: entertainers pay taxes. Churches don't.

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And who holds the more influence and sway?

Certainly churches have more influence and sway, or you would have seen Trump faking actor circles... lol.

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Reply #12 posted 11/21/20 9:30am

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ufoclub said:

RJOrion said:

Kurt Russell is right...Actors, Musicians, Athletes, Entertainers.. STFU about politics

How about grocery store clerks, preachers, or surgeons?

Yes, yes, and yes

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Reply #13 posted 11/21/20 12:25pm

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I'm glad Ali, Bill Russell, Jim Brown, John Carlos, Tommie Smith, etc., didn't feel like Kurt.

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Reply #14 posted 11/21/20 5:29pm

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I like to know who’s where, keep being honest actors. Anyone who can’t handle it already hates everything.

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Reply #15 posted 11/22/20 7:48am

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I think we're all entitled to our opinion, but sometimes people are not educated enough on the topic, so it doesn't always help.
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Reply #16 posted 11/22/20 8:35am

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ufoclub said:

MarkThrust said:

There is a slight difference though: entertainers pay taxes. Churches don't.

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And who holds the more influence and sway?

Certainly churches have more influence and sway, or you would have seen Trump faking actor circles... lol.

Naw entertainers have more influence and sway. To the point people in churches/religous groups bring the influence into the churches and groups.

Entertainers especially musicians can translate all kinds of beliefs throught their songs/videos and concerts in blatant and subtle ways that church/religious groups cannot.

When it comes to 'religious groups' the majority ie a local church or mosque in a storefront, are not bringing in money outside of paying the rent Gas & Electric and things for the space, but Celebs overall are high earners, who overall are a part of the group regular joes and janes want to 'pay their fair share'. I had a cousin who dealt with the financial aspect of her church and she broke it down to me. There is only 1 tax they don't pay, but their are others that they do pay, not to mention all utitlites/water -rent/mortgage etc

Churches and religious organizations are generally exempt from income tax and receive other favorable treatment under the tax law; however, certain income of a church or religious organization may be subject to tax, such as income from an unrelated business. The Internal Revenue Service offers this quick reference guide of federal tax law and procedures for churches and religious organizations to help them voluntarily comply with tax rules. The contents of this publication reflect the IRS interpretation of tax laws enacted by Congress, Treasury regulations and court decisions.https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf

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ufoclub said:

MarkThrust said:

There is a slight difference though: entertainers pay taxes. Churches don't.

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And who holds the more influence and sway?

Certainly churches have more influence and sway, or you would have seen Trump faking actor circles... lol.

Yes certain ones do, but so do the NOI and groups like blm who are taking less 'grass roots' and more political stands (but the latter also has a 'religious' direction to it)

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Reply #18 posted 11/22/20 9:13am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

ufoclub said:

Certainly churches have more influence and sway, or you would have seen Trump faking actor circles... lol.

Yes certain ones do, but so do the NOI and groups like blm who are taking less 'grass roots' and more political stands (but the latter also has a 'religious' direction to it)

BLM is confusing to me when people tak about it as a militant organized group, I mean my white in-laws have the slogan framed embroidery style along with photos at the farmhouse.

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Reply #19 posted 11/22/20 11:46am

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wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow

politics in the title and it ran this long in a place where

the mere mention of somethin political gets said...

hope they they keep this level of energy

when my thread may SOUND political

cause i can't stand pnr and a lot of those who frequent

it....

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Reply #20 posted 11/22/20 12:08pm

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KingBAD said:

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow

politics in the title and it ran this long in a place where

the mere mention of somethin political gets said...

hope they they keep this level of energy

when my thread may SOUND political

cause i can't stand pnr and a lot of those who frequent

it....

It's like this art teacher I had in middle school. If you said, "Oh god" or "Jesus" she would, from her desk clear across the classroom, say in a deep southern old lady accent, "Uh, hey you... don't you say the lord's name in vain!".

And I mean she would hear that shit even if you were whispering.

But then one day a kid spilled paint and shouted "Jesus fucking christ!"

And... nothing... she was just at her desk, looking at a book, didn't react. lol

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Reply #21 posted 11/22/20 12:14pm

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hollywood is NOT a think tank! no sane person should regard actors/actresses as guiding lights to follow. just my 2c.

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Reply #22 posted 11/22/20 12:17pm

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Agreed!
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Reply #23 posted 11/22/20 1:43pm

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XxAxX said:

hollywood is NOT a think tank! no sane person should regard actors/actresses as guiding lights to follow. just my 2c.

Except for that fact that some of them are regular people that might have figured out how to get by better than most other regular people...

Isn't "Hollywood" an industry based on storytelling, and storytelling has alway been about messages or lessons to learn, going back to fables and religious stories? It seems to be rooted in telling an audience what's what.

On another note...

Who would have figured that Jon Voight would actually become the character he played in "The Rainmaker"?

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Reply #24 posted 11/22/20 4:25pm

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Isn't this just the cancel culture in action seeking to silence those they disagree with?

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Many artists have used their art as a vehicle to address politics. I have a book of dissident poetry written by people in Myanmar (it is quite different from the more formally structured Burmese poetry). This was key to the (partial) bringing down of the military juntas to the point that poetry was highly censured and took a long time to be approved due to potential hidden meanings within the poem. We have Prince's music where many songs from the beginning at the very least included some politics and several were exclusively political. We have had actors, writers and producers from all sides use their art as a stepping stone to politics or as a constant influence on why and what they do as their art.

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My favourite Myamar poem is by favourite is by သုခမိန်လှိုင် (Thukhamein Hlaing):

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To clear my thoughts

I wanted to write a poem

that doesn't require thinking.

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I tried for a day

for a month

for a year

I tried all my life.

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XxAxX said:

hollywood is NOT a think tank! no sane person should regard actors/actresses as guiding lights to follow. just my 2c.

nod nod nod nod

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IanRG said:

Isn't this just the cancel culture in action seeking to silence those they disagree with?

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Many artists have used their art as a vehicle to address politics. I have a book of dissident poetry written by people in Myanmar (it is quite different from the more formally structured Burmese poetry). This was key to the (partial) bringing down of the military juntas to the point that poetry was highly censured and took a long time to be approved due to potential hidden meanings within the poem. We have Prince's music where many songs from the beginning at the very least included some politics and several were exclusively political. We have had actors, writers and producers from all sides use their art as a stepping stone to politics or as a constant influence on why and what they do as their art.

.

My favourite Myamar poem is by favourite is by သုခမိန်လှိုင် (Thukhamein Hlaing):

.

To clear my thoughts

I wanted to write a poem

that doesn't require thinking.

.

I tried for a day

for a month

for a year

I tried all my life.

Yup!!!! Plus they are hypocrite

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uPtoWnNY said:

I'm glad Ali, Bill Russell, Jim Brown, John Carlos, Tommie Smith, etc., didn't feel like Kurt.



Not to mention Harry Belafonte, Sam Cooke, Marlon Brando, Paul Newman, Warren Beatty, and John Lennon
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Reply #28 posted 11/22/20 5:26pm

IanRG

kpowers said:

IanRG said:

Isn't this just the cancel culture in action seeking to silence those they disagree with?

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Many artists have used their art as a vehicle to address politics. I have a book of dissident poetry written by people in Myanmar (it is quite different from the more formally structured Burmese poetry). This was key to the (partial) bringing down of the military juntas to the point that poetry was highly censured and took a long time to be approved due to potential hidden meanings within the poem. We have Prince's music where many songs from the beginning at the very least included some politics and several were exclusively political. We have had actors, writers and producers from all sides use their art as a stepping stone to politics or as a constant influence on why and what they do as their art.

.

My favourite Myamar poem is by favourite is by သုခမိန်လှိုင် (Thukhamein Hlaing):

.

To clear my thoughts

I wanted to write a poem

that doesn't require thinking.

.

I tried for a day

for a month

for a year

I tried all my life.

Yup!!!! Plus they are hypocrite

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Exactly - Kurt Russell seeking to silence other actors if they go political is hypocritical because the statement, itself, is a political statement. Everyone should be free to express political opinions (whilst suffering reasonable, appropriate and commensurate consequences for what and how they say it) regardless of their position and everyone is also free to choose to believe that person if they so desire.

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Reply #29 posted 11/22/20 6:23pm

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IanRG said:

kpowers said:

Yup!!!! Plus they are hypocrite

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Exactly - Kurt Russell seeking to silence other actors if they go political is hypocritical because the statement, itself, is a political statement. Everyone should be free to express political opinions (whilst suffering reasonable, appropriate and commensurate consequences for what and how they say it) regardless of their position and everyone is also free to choose to believe that person if they so desire.

And many actors shaming others if they don't agree with their views

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