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Thread started 11/11/20 10:45am

onlyforaminute

Oregon decriminalization of all drugs in small amounts.

I think I've become a casual observer over the years. I feel no kind of way about this whatsoever. Then again I don't live in Oregon have zero plans of going there. Heard too many things about that state maybe. Anyways,

https://www.oregonlive.co...ation.html
Oregon made history Tuesday in the movement to reconsider the nation’s war on drugs by becoming the first state to decriminalize small amounts of heroin and other street drugs.

Voters overwhelmingly supported Measure 110, a coup for the New York-based Drug Policy Alliance, the same criminal justice reform group that backed Oregon’s successful marijuana legalization effort in 2014.
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Reply #1 posted 11/11/20 11:08am

OnlyNDaUsa

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What could possibly go wrong?
No Matter How ANYONE tries to justify it our rights, freedoms, and Liberties are being restricted in the name of COVID-19.
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Reply #2 posted 11/11/20 11:37am

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ALL drugs should be legal for adults. Drug abuse should be considered a societal and mental health issue, not a criminal one. And history has shown that drug laws are enforced very selectively, with certain comminities being targeted, and some left alone...Crime, particularly in urban areas, but rural and suburban ones as well, would drop precipitously if drugs were legalized



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Reply #3 posted 11/11/20 5:06pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

What could possibly go wrong?

It really worked for Portugal. We can learn from their example.

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Reply #4 posted 11/12/20 12:27am

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Factcheck: The number of drug overdose deaths reached an all time high of 70980 last year according to CDC. Those who want to make it easier to do hard drugs are the same people who want to ban guns thinking it will save lives by making it harder to get them.
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Reply #5 posted 11/12/20 2:57am

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You consider that a fact check?

Tell me about these drug overdoses and how many of them are prescription drugs.


Those who want to make it easier to do hard drugs are the same people who want to ban guns thinking it will save lives by making it harder to get them.

as opposed to what, people who want to ban drugs thinking it will save lives by making it harder to get them?

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Reply #6 posted 11/12/20 12:29pm

onlyforaminute

I think it's getting to be about a matter of resources as opposed to the public good. So much is getting spend trying to curtail people's behavior yieldly very little results. People want to defund the police mean less resources to use in enforcing laws. Seems like the only option, if folks wanna jump off a bridge let them. Educate them and then stand back.
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Reply #7 posted 11/12/20 11:35pm

Margot

I'm on the fence on this one...are we saying people should have easy access to opioids,

coke, meth?

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Reply #8 posted 11/13/20 2:35am

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Margot said:

I'm on the fence on this one...are we saying people should have easy access to opioids,

coke, meth?

No, it's about not needlessly ruining people's lives with a criminal conviction over a tiny amount of drugs. Rich people are overflowing with cocaine but never got prosecuted, poor people get their lives destroyed over a tiny bag of weed.

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Reply #9 posted 11/13/20 9:14am

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Only makes us do drugs.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #10 posted 11/13/20 9:54am

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jaawwnn said:



Margot said:


I'm on the fence on this one...are we saying people should have easy access to opioids,


coke, meth?



No, it's about not needlessly ruining people's lives with a criminal conviction over a tiny amount of drugs. Rich people are overflowing with cocaine but never got prosecuted, poor people get their lives destroyed over a tiny bag of weed.



That’s my point... “Wars on Drugs “ are always very selective in their targets
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Reply #11 posted 11/13/20 4:16pm

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jaawwnn said:

Margot said:

I'm on the fence on this one...are we saying people should have easy access to opioids,

coke, meth?

No, it's about not needlessly ruining people's lives with a criminal conviction over a tiny amount of drugs. Rich people are overflowing with cocaine but never got prosecuted, poor people get their lives destroyed over a tiny bag of weed.

Oh, OK

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Reply #12 posted 11/13/20 4:52pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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jjhunsecker said:

jaawwnn said:

No, it's about not needlessly ruining people's lives with a criminal conviction over a tiny amount of drugs. Rich people are overflowing with cocaine but never got prosecuted, poor people get their lives destroyed over a tiny bag of weed.

That’s my point... “Wars on Drugs “ are always very selective in their targets

that is how kamala build her reputation (well that and other means)... she targeted the low level dealers as they were often easy convictions so she would pad her wins.

that with the laws joe supported... yeah....

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Reply #13 posted 11/13/20 6:21pm

onlyforaminute

Here's what Portugal has done.... there's more to the article like statistics in the link at 5he bottom.
Background
Portugal decriminalised the personal possession of all drugs in 2001. This means that, while it is no longer a criminal offence to possess drugs for personal use, it is still an administrative violation, punishable by penalties such as fines or community service. The specific penalty to be applied is decided by ‘Commissions for the Dissuasion of Drug Addiction’, which are regional panels made up of legal, health and social work professionals. In reality, the vast majority of those referred to the commissions by the police have their cases ‘suspended’, effectively meaning they receive no penalty.1 People who are dependent on drugs are encouraged to seek treatment, but are rarely sanctioned if they choose not to – the commissions’ aim is for people to enter treatment voluntarily; they do not attempt to force them to do so.2

The initial aim of the commissions, and of the decriminalisation policy more broadly, was to tackle the severely worsening health of Portugal’s drug using population, in particular its people who inject drugs. In the years leading up to the reform, the number of drug-related deaths had soared, and rates of HIV, AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Hepatitis B and C among people who inject drugs were rapidly increasing. There was a growing consensus among law enforcement and health officials that the criminalisation and marginalisation of people who use drugs was contributing to this problem, and that under a new, more humane, legal framework it could be better managed.

Portugal complemented its policy of decriminalisation by allocating greater resources across the drugs field, expanding and improving prevention, treatment, harm reduction and social reintegration programmes. The introduction of these measures coincided with an expansion of the Portuguese welfare state, which included a guaranteed minimum income. While decriminalisation played an important role, it is likely that the positive outcomes described below would not have been achieved without these wider health and social reforms.3

Finally, although Portugal’s decriminalisation policy has attracted the most media attention, it is not the only country to have enacted such a reform. While there are variations in how ‘decriminalisation’ is defined and implemented, around 25 countries have removed criminal penalties for the personal possession of some or all drugs,4 contributing to the growing global shift away from punitive drug policies.

https://transformdrugs.or...-straight/

Seems like taking a few collective steps improves. Some people have said that Oregon is using the revenue from weed sales, weed was legalized there since 2014, to fund this program.
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Reply #14 posted 11/16/20 7:09am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

jjhunsecker said:

jaawwnn said: That’s my point... “Wars on Drugs “ are always very selective in their targets

that is how kamala build her reputation (well that and other means)... she targeted the low level dealers as they were often easy convictions so she would pad her wins.

that with the laws joe supported... yeah....

It's true! And yet there are still people on here calling her a far-left radical

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Reply #15 posted 11/16/20 7:12am

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jaawwnn said:



Margot said:


I'm on the fence on this one...are we saying people should have easy access to opioids,


coke, meth?



No, it's about not needlessly ruining people's lives with a criminal conviction over a tiny amount of drugs. Rich people are overflowing with cocaine but never got prosecuted, poor people get their lives destroyed over a tiny bag of weed.


Yes that’s is definitely a major problem with that here. Wealthy folks don’t face the same punishment.
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