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Affirmative Action fails in California!

We have a fucking problem America. I told you guys the liberals were racist too.

Do these people even know what the term means? Are they sure they care about racial justice?

Read a book damn.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #1 posted 11/06/20 10:25am

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Judge Judy and Judge Milian have both expressed a distaste for California law reasonings

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Reply #2 posted 11/07/20 8:08pm

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Good California ain’t completely gone yet

However they did manage to get Camala in with affirmative action
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Reply #3 posted 11/08/20 8:32pm

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TruthBomb said:

Good California ain’t completely gone yet However they did manage to get Camala in with affirmative action

There were quite a few measures that did not pass:

-being able to register to vote @ 17

-getting rid of bail

-Rent control

[Edited 11/8/20 20:33pm]

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Margot said:



TruthBomb said:


Good California ain’t completely gone yet However they did manage to get Camala in with affirmative action


There were quite a few measures that did not pass:


-being able to register to vote @ 17


-getting rid of bail


-Rent control</p>

[Edited 11/8/20 20:33pm]


Need that more
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Reply #5 posted 11/12/20 9:15am

Margot

onlyforaminute said:

Margot said:

There were quite a few measures that did not pass:

-being able to register to vote @ 17

-getting rid of bail

-Rent control</p>

[Edited 11/8/20 20:33pm]

Need that more

Rent control has a dark side. When I lived in Berkeley I knew 2 nice people (landlords) who were fair, who had to pay( several thousand dollars) both of their tenants to move after many months of non-payment.

I never forgot that.

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Reply #6 posted 11/12/20 9:21am

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I see no fairness in being a landlord in the first place.

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I see no fairness in being a landlord in the first place.



Why not?
No Matter How ANYONE tries to justify it our rights, freedoms, and Liberties are being restricted in the name of COVID-19.
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Reply #8 posted 11/12/20 12:09pm

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Margot said:



onlyforaminute said:


Margot said:



There were quite a few measures that did not pass:


-being able to register to vote @ 17


-getting rid of bail



-Rent control</p>


[Edited 11/8/20 20:33pm]



Need that more



Rent control has a dark side. When I lived in Berkeley I knew 2 nice people (landlords) who were fair, who had to pay( several thousand dollars) both of their tenants to move after many months of non-payment.



I never forgot that.



Im sure there are levels. But housing has skyrocketed into to crazy amounts. I serious wonder how people are surviving. A lot of robbing peter to pay paul is going on. I was watching the soul of America and they stated that today to be classified as middle-class a family of 4 need an income of $103k yearly. The average is like $56k or $58k per year that's a massive difference and yet so many even fall below that.
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Reply #9 posted 11/12/20 2:23pm

Margot

onlyforaminute said:

Margot said:

Rent control has a dark side. When I lived in Berkeley I knew 2 nice people (landlords) who were fair, who had to pay( several thousand dollars) both of their tenants to move after many months of non-payment.

I never forgot that.

Im sure there are levels. But housing has skyrocketed into to crazy amounts. I serious wonder how people are surviving. A lot of robbing peter to pay paul is going on. I was watching the soul of America and they stated that today to be classified as middle-class a family of 4 need an income of $103k yearly. The average is like $56k or $58k per year that's a massive difference and yet so many even fall below that.

There are many cities many cannot afford to live in...Paris, London, Tokyo, Manhatttan etc.

Unless you have lived there a long time, or have a big salary, the Bay Area is just out of reach for most.

It does not have to become a moral issue...

Most of the US is very affordable.

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Reply #10 posted 11/12/20 4:25pm

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Margot said:



onlyforaminute said:


Margot said:




Rent control has a dark side. When I lived in Berkeley I knew 2 nice people (landlords) who were fair, who had to pay( several thousand dollars) both of their tenants to move after many months of non-payment.



I never forgot that.



Im sure there are levels. But housing has skyrocketed into to crazy amounts. I serious wonder how people are surviving. A lot of robbing peter to pay paul is going on. I was watching the soul of America and they stated that today to be classified as middle-class a family of 4 need an income of $103k yearly. The average is like $56k or $58k per year that's a massive difference and yet so many even fall below that.



There are many cities many cannot afford to live in...Paris, London, Tokyo, Manhatttan etc.


Unless you have lived there a long time, or have a big salary, the Bay Area is just out of reach for most.


It does not have to become a moral issue...


Most of the US is very affordable.


Not sure what that means in context?

Im guessing your speaking as a conservative. And are basically saying if you can't afford to live in a particular city move. But ones jobs and salary doesn't move with them so that concept makes zero sense to me. As far asthe concept of the shrinking middle-class. Everything reaches an apex eventually.
Time keeps on slipping into the future...


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Reply #11 posted 11/12/20 5:00pm

Margot

onlyforaminute said:

Margot said:

There are many cities many cannot afford to live in...Paris, London, Tokyo, Manhatttan etc.

Unless you have lived there a long time, or have a big salary, the Bay Area is just out of reach for most.

It does not have to become a moral issue...

Most of the US is very affordable.

Not sure what that means in context? Im guessing your speaking as a conservative. And are basically saying if you can't afford to live in a particular city move. But ones jobs and salary doesn't move with them so that concept makes zero sense to me. As far asthe concept of the shrinking middle-class. Everything reaches an apex eventually.

I am not a conservative. I am democrat.

My family and I purchased 'fixer-uppers', did most of the work ourselves and sold homes every 2-3 years. I worked as an RN 3-4 days a week as well.

Rinse and repeat...many long, hard days. Not many people wish to work that hard.

Now, after years of sweat equity, we are well-off.

The Bay Area does not owe me anything, IMO.

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Reply #12 posted 11/12/20 5:17pm

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Margot said:



onlyforaminute said:


Margot said:




There are many cities many cannot afford to live in...Paris, London, Tokyo, Manhatttan etc.


Unless you have lived there a long time, or have a big salary, the Bay Area is just out of reach for most.


It does not have to become a moral issue...


Most of the US is very affordable.



Not sure what that means in context? Im guessing your speaking as a conservative. And are basically saying if you can't afford to live in a particular city move. But ones jobs and salary doesn't move with them so that concept makes zero sense to me. As far asthe concept of the shrinking middle-class. Everything reaches an apex eventually.



I am not a conservative. I am democrat.


My family and I purchased 'fixer-uppers', did most of the work ourselves and sold homes every 2-3 years. I worked as an RN 3-4 days a week as well.


Rinse and repeat...many long, hard days. Not many people wish to work that hard.


Now, after years of sweat equity, we are well-off.


The Bay Area does not owe me anything, IMO.


Well not everybody is supposed to be doing the same exact thing. Seems that's the only way to make a liveable wage these days, flipping houses. Seems like everyone one talks to is in real estate. I think there's something very wrong with that model. I'm not sure what but that's a lopsided market. Is that the only work there is?
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Reply #13 posted 11/12/20 5:33pm

Margot

onlyforaminute said:

Margot said:

I am not a conservative. I am democrat.

My family and I purchased 'fixer-uppers', did most of the work ourselves and sold homes every 2-3 years. I worked as an RN 3-4 days a week as well.

Rinse and repeat...many long, hard days. Not many people wish to work that hard.

Now, after years of sweat equity, we are well-off.

The Bay Area does not owe me anything, IMO.

Well not everybody is supposed to be doing the same exact thing. Seems that's the only way to make a liveable wage these days, flipping houses. Seems like everyone one talks to is in real estate. I think there's something very wrong with that model. I'm not sure what but that's a lopsided market. Is that the only work there is?

We happen to love home renovation and design...you do you.

Like I said, most people need a very high-paying job, existing equity or a gift from Mom & Dad. We chose one way and it worked (but it was hard)

Once again, the Bay area does not owe anyone to live here.

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Reply #14 posted 11/12/20 6:25pm

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Affirmative Action should be a system of more active and diverse seeking of qualified applicants from diverse backgrounds. So they put ads or recruit it ways to get more diversity.

it ought not be a system of quotas where they accept unqualified over qualified applicants.

Yes identity can be used as a factor even a deciding factor... as long as the identity is an under represented in that field in general AND in that particular institution.

No Matter How ANYONE tries to justify it our rights, freedoms, and Liberties are being restricted in the name of COVID-19.
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Reply #15 posted 11/12/20 7:54pm

onlyforaminute

Margot said:



onlyforaminute said:


Margot said:




I am not a conservative. I am democrat.


My family and I purchased 'fixer-uppers', did most of the work ourselves and sold homes every 2-3 years. I worked as an RN 3-4 days a week as well.


Rinse and repeat...many long, hard days. Not many people wish to work that hard.


Now, after years of sweat equity, we are well-off.


The Bay Area does not owe me anything, IMO.



Well not everybody is supposed to be doing the same exact thing. Seems that's the only way to make a liveable wage these days, flipping houses. Seems like everyone one talks to is in real estate. I think there's something very wrong with that model. I'm not sure what but that's a lopsided market. Is that the only work there is?



We happen to love home renovation and design...you do you.


Like I said, most people need a very high-paying job, existing equity or a gift from Mom & Dad. We chose one way and it worked (but it was hard)


Once again, the Bay area does not owe anyone to live here.


The Bay Area isn't THE stste of CA. It's one city in it. Unless you are saying that every single person living in the state is supposed to have a high paying job here to maintain a roof over their head? I'm not sure what you're getting at.
Given the multiple thing taking place in the state right now. IMO unlike maybe some other states AA isn't number one on my list of things to worry about.
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Reply #16 posted 11/12/20 10:36pm

Margot

onlyforaminute said:

Margot said:

We happen to love home renovation and design...you do you.

Like I said, most people need a very high-paying job, existing equity or a gift from Mom & Dad. We chose one way and it worked (but it was hard)

Once again, the Bay area does not owe anyone to live here.

The Bay Area isn't THE stste of CA. It's one city in it. Unless you are saying that every single person living in the state is supposed to have a high paying job here to maintain a roof over their head? I'm not sure what you're getting at. Given the multiple thing taking place in the state right now. IMO unlike maybe some other states AA isn't number one on my list of things to worry about.

All I am saying is that it is an expensive state and most know that.

THere are many places I cannot afford to live and that is fine with me.

I am just trying to keep it real.

Get off your high horse.

Please stop responding to my posts... I have a bad history with you.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

jaawwnn said:

I see no fairness in being a landlord in the first place.

Why not?

Even under capitalism it barely makes sense. There's no labour involved, just exploitation.

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Reply #18 posted 11/13/20 7:18am

onlyforaminute

Margot said:



onlyforaminute said:


Margot said:




We happen to love home renovation and design...you do you.


Like I said, most people need a very high-paying job, existing equity or a gift from Mom & Dad. We chose one way and it worked (but it was hard)


Once again, the Bay area does not owe anyone to live here.



The Bay Area isn't THE stste of CA. It's one city in it. Unless you are saying that every single person living in the state is supposed to have a high paying job here to maintain a roof over their head? I'm not sure what you're getting at. Given the multiple thing taking place in the state right now. IMO unlike maybe some other states AA isn't number one on my list of things to worry about.



All I am saying is that it is an expensive state and most know that.


THere are many places I cannot afford to live and that is fine with me.


I am just trying to keep it real.


Get off your high horse.


Please stop responding to my posts... I have a bad history with you.




Fine with me but I have zero history with you. Never have engaged with you.
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Rent Control has been a God send for me. We have a huge (by NY standards) apartment that has been rent controlled, and compared to some of our newer neighbors, and others in the area, we’re paying half the price for double the space.
Our landlords are dying for us to leave because they know how much they can get for our place... but fuck them, the greedy bastards !
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jjhunsecker said:

Rent Control has been a God send for me. We have a huge (by NY standards) apartment that has been rent controlled, and compared to some of our newer neighbors, and others in the area, we’re paying half the price for double the space.
Our landlords are dying for us to leave because they know how much they can get for our place... but fuck them, the greedy bastards !

The sad thing is that you are seeing less rent control, in large cities, with so much homelessness. The rents are skyrocketing even during a Pandemic, which makes no sense. Many are even struggling to pay their mortgages, let alone those in rental units with no rent control.

There’s still so much construction of apartment buildings going up
within NYC and NJ for example, and the building owners are charging extremely high rents, yet so mainly layoffs/down sizing happening with many employers right now. Studios even in boroughs surrounding Manhattan are ranging from $1800 plus while one bedrooms are over $2000 now. It’s sad, because there really is not much price regulation going on with rents in NYC. The homelessness rate is skyrocketing and getting worse. Many claiming unemployment, and lots of NYers are leaving NYC because of the extremely, high rents. Forget about the price of owning a home here.
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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:
Rent Control has been a God send for me. We have a huge (by NY standards) apartment that has been rent controlled, and compared to some of our newer neighbors, and others in the area, we’re paying half the price for double the space. Our landlords are dying for us to leave because they know how much they can get for our place... but fuck them, the greedy bastards !
The sad thing is that you are seeing less rent control, in large cities, with so much homelessness. The rents are skyrocketing even during a Pandemic, which makes no sense. Many are even struggling to pay their mortgages, let alone those in rental units with no rent control. There’s still so much construction going on in NY and NJ for example, and the building owners are charging extremely high rents, yet so mainly layoffs/down sizing happening with many employers right now. Studios even in boroughs surrounding Manhattan are ranging from $1800, while 1 bedrooms are over $2000 now. It’s sad, because there really is not much price regulation going on with rents in NYC. The homelessness rate is skyrocketing and getting worse. Many residents are leaving NYC because of the extremely, high rents. Forget about the price of owning a home here.

Sounds very familiar. Ireland is the same, Dublin rents are New York bad.

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jaawwnn said:



2elijah said:


jjhunsecker said:
Rent Control has been a God send for me. We have a huge (by NY standards) apartment that has been rent controlled, and compared to some of our newer neighbors, and others in the area, we’re paying half the price for double the space. Our landlords are dying for us to leave because they know how much they can get for our place... but fuck them, the greedy bastards !

The sad thing is that you are seeing less rent control, in large cities, with so much homelessness. The rents are skyrocketing even during a Pandemic, which makes no sense. Many are even struggling to pay their mortgages, let alone those in rental units with no rent control. There’s still so much construction going on in NY and NJ for example, and the building owners are charging extremely high rents, yet so mainly layoffs/down sizing happening with many employers right now. Studios even in boroughs surrounding Manhattan are ranging from $1800, while 1 bedrooms are over $2000 now. It’s sad, because there really is not much price regulation going on with rents in NYC. The homelessness rate is skyrocketing and getting worse. Many residents are leaving NYC because of the extremely, high rents. Forget about the price of owning a home here.

Sounds very familiar. Ireland is the same, Dublin rents are New York bad.


For that kind of rent, they may as well buy a house, but then again not everyone has the resources to purchase a home as well.
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Reply #23 posted 11/13/20 9:29am

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2elijah said:

jaawwnn said:



2elijah said:


jjhunsecker said:
Rent Control has been a God send for me. We have a huge (by NY standards) apartment that has been rent controlled, and compared to some of our newer neighbors, and others in the area, we’re paying half the price for double the space. Our landlords are dying for us to leave because they know how much they can get for our place... but fuck them, the greedy bastards !

The sad thing is that you are seeing less rent control, in large cities, with so much homelessness. The rents are skyrocketing even during a Pandemic, which makes no sense. Many are even struggling to pay their mortgages, let alone those in rental units with no rent control. There’s still so much construction going on in NY and NJ for example, and the building owners are charging extremely high rents, yet so mainly layoffs/down sizing happening with many employers right now. Studios even in boroughs surrounding Manhattan are ranging from $1800, while 1 bedrooms are over $2000 now. It’s sad, because there really is not much price regulation going on with rents in NYC. The homelessness rate is skyrocketing and getting worse. Many residents are leaving NYC because of the extremely, high rents. Forget about the price of owning a home here.

Sounds very familiar. Ireland is the same, Dublin rents are New York bad.


For that kind of rent, they may as well buy a house, but then again not everyone has the resources to purchase a home as well.

You would think but the prices of houses have skyrocketed past the $500k mark for a basic house in an average lower midclass neighborhood.
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I was only able to afford a house (outside of Dublin!) because I had relations I could stay with rent-free while saving for a mortgage deposit. Not everyone is so lucky.

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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:

Rent Control has been a God send for me. We have a huge (by NY standards) apartment that has been rent controlled, and compared to some of our newer neighbors, and others in the area, we’re paying half the price for double the space.
Our landlords are dying for us to leave because they know how much they can get for our place... but fuck them, the greedy bastards !

The sad thing is that you are seeing less rent control, in large cities, with so much homelessness. The rents are skyrocketing even during a Pandemic, which makes no sense. Many are even struggling to pay their mortgages, let alone those in rental units with no rent control.

There’s still so much construction of apartment buildings going up
within NYC and NJ for example, and the building owners are charging extremely high rents, yet so mainly layoffs/down sizing happening with many employers right now. Studios even in boroughs surrounding Manhattan are ranging from $1800 plus while one bedrooms are over $2000 now. It’s sad, because there really is not much price regulation going on with rents in NYC. The homelessness rate is skyrocketing and getting worse. Many claiming unemployment, and lots of NYers are leaving NYC because of the extremely, high rents. Forget about the price of owning a home here.
[Edited 11/13/20 8:54am]


That’s just disgraceful. The average person gets screwed over and over
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Reply #26 posted 11/13/20 9:55am

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Most of the US is completely affordable. Coastal CA has always been expensive.

It is still possible to buy in the Bay Area but one needs to be ready to roll up sleeves and look 'outside the box.'

For example, last year we found a home in Marin Co (very expensive) on the train line. It was going for $500,000.

It was zoned for multi-use. The garage could have been renovated into a cute studio, the yard was large and could have been shared with a fence installation and garden.

The tenant could have moved into a cute studio for $1000. (a steal in Marin) on the train-line into San Fran. The rent would have paid for the renovation. Win-win

I owned a duplex and was a landlord for 13 years. 98% of my tenants were wonderful, paid on time etc. In exchange, I offered a fully renovated place, fairly-priced, clean etc.

The last tenants, however, 'knew their rights' and wanted to sue for 'mold'. The home was extensively evaluated by a reputable mold remediation company and found to be free of mold. (The tenants, BTW, had installed an unauthorized dark room with many toxic chemicals etc.)

They were a nightmare for me. They refused to pay rent and I had to pay them to leave.

Landlords still need to pay the mortgage even when tenants refuse to pay rent.

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I have sympathy for landlords to the extent that they are just stuck in the system of the financialization of every aspect of existence like everyone else.

However, there are many of us who just want somewhere affordable to live while we pursue interests outside of finding new ways of making money by owning land and charging people money to stay on it.

There are landlords and there are landlords, you know?




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2elijah said:

jaawwnn said:



2elijah said:


jjhunsecker said:
Rent Control has been a God send for me. We have a huge (by NY standards) apartment that has been rent controlled, and compared to some of our newer neighbors, and others in the area, we’re paying half the price for double the space. Our landlords are dying for us to leave because they know how much they can get for our place... but fuck them, the greedy bastards !

The sad thing is that you are seeing less rent control, in large cities, with so much homelessness. The rents are skyrocketing even during a Pandemic, which makes no sense. Many are even struggling to pay their mortgages, let alone those in rental units with no rent control. There’s still so much construction going on in NY and NJ for example, and the building owners are charging extremely high rents, yet so mainly layoffs/down sizing happening with many employers right now. Studios even in boroughs surrounding Manhattan are ranging from $1800, while 1 bedrooms are over $2000 now. It’s sad, because there really is not much price regulation going on with rents in NYC. The homelessness rate is skyrocketing and getting worse. Many residents are leaving NYC because of the extremely, high rents. Forget about the price of owning a home here.

Sounds very familiar. Ireland is the same, Dublin rents are New York bad.


For that kind of rent, they may as well buy a house, but then again not everyone has the resources to purchase a home as well.


Home ownership is not for everyone. Especially if you are not particularly handy, and all those repairs that can come up are completely your responsibility. Along with all the maintenance issues. I’ve been there, and it’s not always easy
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Reply #29 posted 11/13/20 10:52am

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jaawwnn said:

I have sympathy for landlords to the extent that they are just stuck in the system of the financialization of every aspect of existence like everyone else.

However, there are many of us who just want somewhere affordable to live while we pursue interests outside of finding new ways of making money by owning land and charging people money to stay on it.

There are landlords and there are landlords, you know?




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My interests do not lie only with financialization, I also knew I had to augment my income to be able to live in the Bay Area. Just offering another viewpoint... And, home design/ renovation is one of my passions.

  • It feels to me that this forum is often lacking a more entrepreunurial approach to issues. (BTW, I think Prince was extremely entrepreneurial and did the hard work required. After his musical talent, it was the trait I most admired)
  • I also feel the judgement on this forum for those who are financially successful, it's as though they are somehow deemed ethically-challenged.
  • BTW, there are tenants and there are tenants. I will never be a landlord again.
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