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Perfect example of the absuridity of "Black Consevatives"

This interview with Armstrong Williams is truly mind boggling....To see accised sexual predator Williams find a way to justify his support of Trump , and to downplay both Trump's odious racism and that of the GOP, is as sad as it's funny... Some people will do ANYTHING for money and fame...

I'm sure he'd shine Trump's shoes and let him rub his burr head if he asked...



https://www.nytimes.com/i...rview.html

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jjhunsecker said:

This interview with Armstrong Williams is truly mind boggling....To see accised sexual predator Williams find a way to justify his support of Trump , and to downplay both Trump's odious racism and that of the GOP, is as sad as it's funny... Some people will do ANYTHING for money and fame...


I'm sure he'd shine Trump's shoes and let him rub his burr head if he asked...







https://www.nytimes.com/i...rview.html


He’d lick Trump’s boots too.
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Again here we have an example that if you are black you better fall in line or else!
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Again here we have an example that if you are black you better fall in line or else!

.......not the mention voter shaming!

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No, it doesn’t...
It shows a man who KNOWS he is doing the wrong thing, but does it anyway because it profits him. Which is why he said he has to “pray “ to atone, and that he has “dumbed down his values” in order to support Trump. That he admits Trump is a “flawed man” who “doesn’t know the impact of his words “, words that Williams admits he actually ignores in order to keep supporting Trump....

Actually READ what is there instead of jumping to a conclusion, for a change...
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Real talk, I do not co-sign on any voter shaming tactics from anyone. At the end of the day, every voter has "Freedom Of Choice" and they should be able to vote for whoever/whatever the funk they want to vote for. Period. Point Blank. End Of.

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Funniest line of the year:

When asked if Trump has any relationships with Black people who are not already rich and famous, Armstrong replies: “His CHAUFFEUR “....

lol lol lol
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No, it doesn’t... It shows a man who KNOWS he is doing the wrong thing, but does it anyway because it profits him. Which is why he said he has to “pray “ to atone, and that he has “dumbed down his values” in order to support Trump. That he admits Trump is a “flawed man” who “doesn’t know the impact of his words “, words that Williams admits he actually ignores in order to keep supporting Trump.... Actually READ what is there instead of jumping to a conclusion, for a change...

And you think Armstorong Williams is the only one in the USA that votes based upon what in his wallet? rolleyes lol

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TonyVanDam said:

Real talk, I do not co-sign on any voter shaming tactics from anyone. At the end of the day, every voter has "Freedom Of Choice" and they should be able to vote for whoever/whatever the funk they want to vote for. Period. Point Blank. End Of.



I don’t disagree... it’s just amusing and saddening simultaneously seeing the contortions that someone like Williams - who is an influential figure, like it or not- makes to justify his support of this man, and his willingness to overlook or simply lie about so much... ultimately because it benefits him and helps him keep his (extremely rare) position.., the rarity of which increases his “value “

Plus, the way I see it, he choose to go into a public forum to discuss these issues. So that means that everyone else has a right to voice an opinion about what he has said
[Edited 11/2/20 6:46am]
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TonyVanDam said:



jjhunsecker said:


No, it doesn’t... It shows a man who KNOWS he is doing the wrong thing, but does it anyway because it profits him. Which is why he said he has to “pray “ to atone, and that he has “dumbed down his values” in order to support Trump. That he admits Trump is a “flawed man” who “doesn’t know the impact of his words “, words that Williams admits he actually ignores in order to keep supporting Trump.... Actually READ what is there instead of jumping to a conclusion, for a change...


And you think Armstorong Williams is the only one in the USA that votes based upon what in his wallet? rolleyes lol



Of course not. But it’s amusing to see that he actually ADMITS he is supporting someone who offends his personal “Christian values “
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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:

This interview with Armstrong Williams is truly mind boggling....To see accised sexual predator Williams find a way to justify his support of Trump , and to downplay both Trump's odious racism and that of the GOP, is as sad as it's funny... Some people will do ANYTHING for money and fame...


I'm sure he'd shine Trump's shoes and let him rub his burr head if he asked...







https://www.nytimes.com/i...rview.html


He’d lick Trump’s boots too.


You could say that he is already doing that
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Real talk, I do not co-sign on any voter shaming tactics from anyone. At the end of the day, every voter has "Freedom Of Choice" and they should be able to vote for whoever/whatever the funk they want to vote for. Period. Point Blank. End Of.



Exactly.
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Truth is when African-Americans sit back and look at their values and such many have very conservative views and always have. But like any group, there is no 1 all way of thinking. So why should Black folk. Isn't that a part of free thought? Hell some call themselves Black and won't call themselves African-American, others call themselves African American and not Black etc some very religious, others are not at all. Some very rural and country life oriented others are City or Urban to the core. Some love the use of the N word, others loath it.

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Being conservative is not about being a Trump supporter. How many Democrative Black folk are against Gay Marriage, Trans issues and Abortion? LOTS






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TonyVanDam said:


Real talk, I do not co-sign on any voter shaming tactics from anyone. At the end of the day, every voter has "Freedom Of Choice" and they should be able to vote for whoever/whatever the funk they want to vote for. Period. Point Blank. End Of.





Exactly.
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Truth is when African-Americans sit back and look at their values and such many have very conservative views and always have. But like any group, there is no 1 all way of thinking. So why should Black folk. Isn't that a part of free thought? Hell some call themselves Black and won't call themselves African-American, others call themselves African American and not Black etc some very religious, others are not at all. Some very rural and country life oriented others are City or Urban to the core. Some love the use of the N word, others loath it.


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Being conservative is not about being a Trump supporter. How many Democrative Black folk are against Gay Marriage, Trans issues and Abortion? LOTS












I’ve actually said this many times. The Black community is not monolithic politically and in many other ways. There are many “conservative” Black people, especially among those who are very religious, and West Indian and African immigrants. And they have a perfect right to those views.

However, what unites MOST Black people- across the political spectrum- is a wish for equality and a fight against the systemic racism and discrimination that affects ALL of us, no matter our views. Which is why a man like Armstrong Williams is so anathema to most Blacks. He is seen as a person who coddles and excuses White racism. He pretty much admitted that in the interview! Which is not something that other Black conservatives like Michael Steele and Colin Powell or the late brilliant Stanley Crouch would do...

The question remains: if roughly 35-45% of Black people hold socially conservative views, why can’t Republicans get more than 10% of the Black vote?
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Here is my answer: There are two types of Trump supporters. One is a cult following; they support him no matter what. Then there are the other ones. Much more intelligent. Much more sophisticated. They may not like his character, but they think, I’m going to hold my nose because it suits my agenda. That’s the calculation they make.


The man has a point. If you're against abortion then you probably think you're saving many lives voting for Trump. I mean, I wouldn't call that particularly "sophisticated" thinking myself but it was always a mistake on the Dems part to attack Trump's character instead of his policies.

[Edited 11/2/20 7:25am]

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The Platinum Plan is not that horrible is it? lol

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Blacks should be Anarchist but what do eye know.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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2freaky4church1 said:

Blacks should be Anarchist but what do eye know.



They should be? Oh and no one is really an anarchist... Basically they want to be left alone... But I am for slashing taxes and regulations.
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Silicon Valley is where anarchism went to die.

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jjhunsecker said:

OldFriends4Sale said:



Exactly.
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Truth is when African-Americans sit back and look at their values and such many have very conservative views and always have. But like any group, there is no 1 all way of thinking. So why should Black folk. Isn't that a part of free thought? Hell some call themselves Black and won't call themselves African-American, others call themselves African American and not Black etc some very religious, others are not at all. Some very rural and country life oriented others are City or Urban to the core. Some love the use of the N word, others loath it.

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Being conservative is not about being a Trump supporter. How many Democrative Black folk are against Gay Marriage, Trans issues and Abortion? LOTS






I’ve actually said this many times. The Black community is not monolithic politically and in many other ways. There are many “conservative” Black people, especially among those who are very religious, and West Indian and African immigrants. And they have a perfect right to those views. However, what unites MOST Black people- across the political spectrum- is a wish for equality and a fight against the systemic racism and discrimination that affects ALL of us, no matter our views. Which is why a man like Armstrong Williams is so anathema to most Blacks. He is seen as a person who coddles and excuses White racism. He pretty much admitted that in the interview! Which is not something that other Black conservatives like Michael Steele and Colin Powell or the late brilliant Stanley Crouch would do... The question remains: if roughly 35-45% of Black people hold socially conservative views, why can’t Republicans get more than 10% of the Black vote?

I guess the issue or question would have to be be asked to Blacks/African-Americans 'why do you vote Democratic?' or 'why are you Democrat?' And I think that would tell a lot. I think a lot of people only know 10% maybe of what their parties policies are. Most is a feeling a thought or hearsay, or 'just because'. We already know in general too many people don't fully know what/why/how things move or are decided. Which is a problem on all sides.

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The question I ask most people is 'why are you Repubican/Democrat?' I and my family changed to Independants a long time ago. I personally think local/state politics is more important and impactful to my life. I really don't have a stake in presidential voting sides. And I admit I voted for Obama the first time, because I wanted to see a biracial man in office. Had absolutely nothing to do with policies. I voted 3rd party when Trump/Hillary ran. It was my conscience.

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"Sometimes you get a look, or an 'I don't know about that' but, most times, from just talking, folks open up and realize for themselves just how conservative their values are."

But he's not out to change minds; he wants rebuild a sense of community

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As analysts debunk the myth of the black voter monolith, some black Republicans are stepping forward to counter stereotypes and assert a political identity very different from the usual assumption that all black Americans are Democrats, especially in the era of Donald Trump.

As one of seven Republicans running for the seat, Mole credits his religious background for his motivations to join the crowded race. Those same traditions are often associated with centrist African American political leanings. But for black Americans like Mole, their conservatism leads some to question whether their political party and preferences actually match their worldview.

"I am the typical black person who voted for Barack Obama, but I then voted for Trump," he said. "At some point you think for yourself and say: 'You know what? I'm not voting this person or this ticket just because my grandma or parents did.'"

Ahead of a June Republican primary and the 2020 presidential election, Mole says he is connecting with fellow voters in ways he said speak more to the nuance of conservative cultural traditions.
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Kaaryn Walker, president of Black Conservatives for Truth, founded the advocacy group as an outlet for black Americans to connect with one another and draw attention to conservative policy initiatives. "Sometimes you find that people share the same politics you do, but because of fear or backlash, black people don't talk about it," said Walker.

"If you want to see the Republican party be more diverse, you have to see us being active in the party," she said.

Walker has identified as a conservative for more than 25 years, pointing to her pro-life leanings and support for free market economics. Like Mole, an upbringing steeped in tradition led her to a closer affiliation with Republicans than the Democratic party her family typically supported.

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In her outreach, she often challenges others to rethink how Democratic platforms represent black values.

"We engage on policy and that's when people start seeing distinctions," she said. "People start seeing other like-minded conservatives and say: 'My policy and mindset doesn't fit the Democratic party and that's OK.'"
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Walker admits an uphill battle in wooing fellow African Americans who take issue with the president's record. She counters criticisms of being a "traitor to her race" by contending no one person is representative of the party values.

"If the only reason that you're a Democrat is because you think the Republicans are racist then you need to go back and figure out why you're really a Democrat," she said.

"Racism does not discriminate by party, and you see that playing out right now in the Democratic primaries with misstep after misstep."

But the vitriol has gotten intense. Walker recalled being unfriended, blocked or disinvited from events many times in recent years.

The rise of prominent black Republican figures whose platforms stoke controversy can also make her a target.

"Sometimes I'll get a call to my phone or social media and a phantom voice is yelling, screaming and cursing at me," she said. "But then they're surprised when I respond with 'Are you done? Now let's try that again and actually have a dialogue because that's what politics are about.'"
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"We're a community whose principles and convictions are silenced in the broader narrative of black voters," she said. "But we're here fighting to preserve our conservative culture as we vote Republican across the country."
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Funny! We get a photo of Herman Cain, who’s support of Trump cost him his life...

As for the other 12 Black Trump supporters pictured, maybe they can find a bar to meet up in on Election Day.,, and still have room to socially distance
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Here is my answer: There are two types of Trump supporters. One is a cult following; they support him no matter what. Then there are the other ones. Much more intelligent. Much more sophisticated. They may not like his character, but they think, I’m going to hold my nose because it suits my agenda. That’s the calculation they make.


The man has a point. If you're against abortion then you probably think you're saving many lives voting for Trump. I mean, I wouldn't call that particularly "sophisticated" thinking myself but it was always a mistake on the Dems part to attack Trump's character instead of his policies.

[Edited 11/2/20 7:25am]



Trump’s character- his bigotry and lack of compassion and cruelty and hypocrisy- drove his POLICIES. They are interconnected
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OldFriends4Sale said:

"When you have a problem deciding whether you want me or Trump, then you ain't black."






Rasmussen's most recent "National Daily Black Likely Voter" poll,
which closed on Oct. 29,
showed 31 percent of likely Black voters opting for Trump/Pence.

https://thehill.com/opini...er-victory

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I know Republican and Conservative are not synoymous but this is an interesting thing I never considered before.
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"This is also pretty standard. Black men, like men in most other demographic groups, tend to be more Republican-leaning than their female counterparts."

- By Astead W. Herndon, Nick Corasaniti and Kathleen Gray Oct. 31, 2020 (NYTimes)

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jjhunsecker said:

jaawwnn said:

Here is my answer: There are two types of Trump supporters. One is a cult following; they support him no matter what. Then there are the other ones. Much more intelligent. Much more sophisticated. They may not like his character, but they think, I’m going to hold my nose because it suits my agenda. That’s the calculation they make.


The man has a point. If you're against abortion then you probably think you're saving many lives voting for Trump. I mean, I wouldn't call that particularly "sophisticated" thinking myself but it was always a mistake on the Dems part to attack Trump's character instead of his policies.

[Edited 11/2/20 7:25am]

Trump’s character- his bigotry and lack of compassion and cruelty and hypocrisy- drove his POLICIES. They are interconnected

Eh, maybe, albeit very generally. Trump doesn't care about being pro-life or appointing conservative judges except to the point that it gets him to win and stay president. Attacking his character as a cruel, childish hypocrite isn't much of an argument not to vote for him if you're achieving your agenda through him.

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jaawwnn said:



jjhunsecker said:


jaawwnn said:

Here is my answer: There are two types of Trump supporters. One is a cult following; they support him no matter what. Then there are the other ones. Much more intelligent. Much more sophisticated. They may not like his character, but they think, I’m going to hold my nose because it suits my agenda. That’s the calculation they make.


The man has a point. If you're against abortion then you probably think you're saving many lives voting for Trump. I mean, I wouldn't call that particularly "sophisticated" thinking myself but it was always a mistake on the Dems part to attack Trump's character instead of his policies.


[Edited 11/2/20 7:25am]



Trump’s character- his bigotry and lack of compassion and cruelty and hypocrisy- drove his POLICIES. They are interconnected

Eh, maybe, albeit very generally. Trump doesn't care about being pro-life or appointing conservative judges except to the point that it gets him to win and stay president. Attacking his character as a cruel, childish hypocrite isn't much of an argument not to vote for him if you're achieving your agenda through him.



BUT... if a person claims to be “moral” and “religious “, supporting a man as debased and indecent as Trump just indicates their hypocrisy, and proves that their “values” and “morality “ are variable and transactional, and not concrete
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OldFriends4Sale said:



OldFriends4Sale said:



"When you have a problem deciding whether you want me or Trump, then you ain't black."









Rasmussen's most recent "National Daily Black Likely Voter" poll,
which closed on Oct. 29,
showed 31 percent of likely Black voters opting for Trump/Pence.

https://thehill.com/opini...er-victory



In their dreams...
No other reputable poll shows anywhere near this level of Black male support
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jjhunsecker said:

jaawwnn said:

Eh, maybe, albeit very generally. Trump doesn't care about being pro-life or appointing conservative judges except to the point that it gets him to win and stay president. Attacking his character as a cruel, childish hypocrite isn't much of an argument not to vote for him if you're achieving your agenda through him.

BUT... if a person claims to be “moral” and “religious “, supporting a man as debased and indecent as Trump just indicates their hypocrisy, and proves that their “values” and “morality “ are variable and transactional, and not concrete

True, and I agree, but no one cares about being called a hypocrite when they're winning.

If Biden wins the election i'll be watching very closely to see if the dems start, for example, bowing to the demands of Republicans who have rediscovered that they are fiscal conservatives now that a democrat is in power.

People need to realise that having a gotcha moment isn't a victory.

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Kim Klacick, whether she can or cannot, raises the question 'why not?' As she has said for 40+yrs Democrats have had Baltimore, but certain poor Black neighborhoods/communities have only gotten worse

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So why not? And are people(black people) missing a possibility for a change for the better, by just not voting for a Repubican candidate?
The 'democratic?' women on the View just tried to trash her, most likely just because she is Republican. Sunny looked like a little bobblehead in how she reacted to her, almost like she was jealous of her looks or something. Nothing rational.

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jjhunsecker said:

OldFriends4Sale said:


Rasmussen's most recent "National Daily Black Likely Voter" poll,
which closed on Oct. 29,
showed 31 percent of likely Black voters opting for Trump/Pence.

https://thehill.com/opini...er-victory

In their dreams... No other reputable poll shows anywhere near this level of Black male support




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Baltimore Man Says Donald Trump Is Not Against Black People He Is Against Globalist

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