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What happens when a narcissist loses? Expect "rage" and "terror," psychologists warn

"A truly significant loss… may trigger not only a reign of terror but destruction without limit," one expert says

MATTHEW ROZSA OCTOBER 28, 2020 11:00PM (UTC)

There is agreement among psychologists — and, for that matter, anyone who has been abused by narcissistic personalities — that President Donald Trump fits the psychological profile of a narcissist. What does that mean for the upcoming election, particularly if Trump loses, as polls suggest? Psychologists tell Salon that pathological narcissists who do not get their way tend to react abusively — which could lead to one of several devastating political scenarios for the nation in the election's aftermath.

To read more click: https://www.salon.com/202...buMBFvAJ-Y



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Reply #1 posted 10/30/20 5:35am

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If he loses (and I'm praying he does and I'm not a religious person in the least) he will go off like you've never seen him go off and it will last for months and possibly years. He will throw everyone under the bus and blame anyone he can for his loss. He'll become more delusional than he already is and he'll stop at nothing to discredit Biden and anyone that supported him.

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Reply #2 posted 10/30/20 9:46am

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I can imagine him just not turning up for work for the next three months.

"I think people ought to know that we're anti-fascist, we're anti-violence, we're anti-racist and we're pro-creative. We're against ignorance."
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Reply #3 posted 10/30/20 11:26am

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jaawwnn said:

I can imagine him just not turning up for work for the next three months.

That would be a good thing. Mr Stepford, I mean Pence could hold down the fort until mid-Jan.

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Reply #4 posted 10/30/20 11:57am

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silliness and propaganda

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Reply #5 posted 10/31/20 11:48am

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interesting given how the left reacted violently when Hillary got fewer votes and lost the election in 2016.

My question is will all of you accept the final official electoral results? Or will it be 2017 all over again? Will you do what hillary never did in 2016 and do as she said recently that joe should not concede under any circumstances?

over the last 4 years we have seen how violent the left can be when they do not get what they want...

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Reply #6 posted 10/31/20 2:49pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

interesting given how the left reacted violently when Hillary got fewer votes and lost the election in 2016.

My question is will all of you accept the final official electoral results? Or will it be 2017 all over again? Will you do what hillary never did in 2016 and do as she said recently that joe should not concede under any circumstances?

over the last 4 years we have seen how violent the left can be when they do not get what they want...

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What violence when Hillary won the popular vote but lost due to the electoral college gerrymander?

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Sure there were more people at the peaceful protests than at trump's inauguration, but they were not violent. trump's narcissism meant he forced people to lie about the numbers and you defended this.

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And the facts are simply againt the spin from Fox and co. The political violence, terrorism and planned insurrections over the last 4 years has come mostly from domestic far-right fascist or anti government terrorist militias and white supremacists. Not only have these groups been responsible for 3 times the poltical violence in the USA of that by every other group, domestic or overseas, combined but the type of violence you have been inflicting has been more dangerous than the types of violence by other sides. The violence from the right has killed almost all the people who have died in US political violence. The murders and shootings in and around the anti-racism protests by people from all sides of politics that has been before the courts has been mainly by people from the right. The thefts and business disruption has been condemned by all. YOU KNOW THIS and this is just a deflection.

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Back to the topic: your president has encouraged violence by the right time and time and time again. And he has asked the fascists and far-right anti-government terrorist militias to liberate and stand by for more violence if he needs them. He encouraged the caravans of pretend soldiers to attack the protesters (protesting is a right - but you seek to deny this right if it is against you). trump knows your kind: He realised he could shoot and kill a person in the street and you would defend him. The corrollary of this is he and his kind defend each other and deflect to imagined, made up or overblown threats like "86" as justification for more violence.

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The fear is not just how badly will trump manage his loss if he loses but how will those who sold their soul and their party to trump handle this. Ultimately how will the US pull back from the brink of civil war being encouraged by groups like the Boogaloos boys etc and seek to be the UNITED States. This is not just a problem for the republicans and far right groups but for the rest of country - Biden's rhetoric on seeking to be a president for all people is not matched by his party's recent history either.

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Reply #7 posted 10/31/20 3:10pm

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point of order: at no point in that incoherent rant was the simple answer given...

So I ask again:


will you accept the final electoral results? Yes or No?

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Reply #8 posted 10/31/20 4:07pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

point of order: at no point in that incoherent rant was the simple answer given...

So I ask again:


will you accept the final electoral results? Yes or No?

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Point of order: the topic is "What happens when a narcissist loses? Expect "rage" and "terror," psychologists warn".

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This is about whether trump will accept the result in 2020. You are deflecting by quoting myths from Fox and co about a different election and different person.

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That you choose to yet again attack the person with the lie that what I said was "incoherent" and a "rant" rather than addressing the issue is just expected.

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My response addressed the deflections you tried to raise AND how they relate to the topic - trump has spent the last 4 years demonstrating his narcissism and this has been enabled by his base of fascists, white supremacists, far-right anti-government militias and you. trump has prepped them to believe that they are not the problem but are the solution. trump has asked them publicly to be ready to respond with the violence they have used to support him over the last 4 years as the most significant perpetrators of political violence and attempted insurrections in the USA. trump's narcissism is weaponised. If trump loses, we can only hope that he does not continue to call on those who have spent the last 4 years violently defending him or these nut jobs switch to their next hero.

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Assuming trump loses, the next few months are in the hands of whether trump skulks away and merely seeks to protect himself and friends with pardons galore or calls on his violent base. In the latter case the USA is in the hands of whether the fascists, white supremacists and far-right anti-government militia drop trump as a spent has-been or a trigger for more of their violence.

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RJOrion said:

silliness and propaganda


what? lol

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Reply #10 posted 10/31/20 4:25pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

interesting given how the left reacted violently when Hillary got fewer votes and lost the election in 2016.

My question is will all of you accept the final official electoral results? Or will it be 2017 all over again? Will you do what hillary never did in 2016 and do as she said recently that joe should not concede under any circumstances?

over the last 4 years we have seen how violent the left can be when they do not get what they want...

What violence happened when Hilary Clinton got more people's votes but less electoral votes?

Meanwhile: https://fox2now.com/news/...s-on-i-35/

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Reply #11 posted 10/31/20 4:41pm

IanRG

ufoclub said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

interesting given how the left reacted violently when Hillary got fewer votes and lost the election in 2016.

My question is will all of you accept the final official electoral results? Or will it be 2017 all over again? Will you do what hillary never did in 2016 and do as she said recently that joe should not concede under any circumstances?

over the last 4 years we have seen how violent the left can be when they do not get what they want...

What violence happened when Hilary Clinton got more people's votes but less electoral votes?

Meanwhile: https://fox2now.com/news/...s-on-i-35/

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None - There was the peaceful protest against sexual violence.

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Reply #12 posted 10/31/20 6:37pm

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IanRG said:

ufoclub said:

What violence happened when Hilary Clinton got more people's votes but less electoral votes?

Meanwhile: https://fox2now.com/news/...s-on-i-35/

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None - There was the peaceful protest against sexual violence.

But does this person actually believe some kind of violence happened? If there was none, and I don't remember anything... then they are broadcasting either a lie or a delusion. It's fascinating.

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Reply #13 posted 10/31/20 8:26pm

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The right is a dangerous and highly volatile group. Trump has been rousing them up and feeding their hate. I want to hope or the best, but it's almost guarenteed that there will be at least some violence in the aftermath of a possible Trump loss.

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Reply #14 posted 10/31/20 8:45pm

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IanRG said:

ufoclub said:

What violence happened when Hilary Clinton got more people's votes but less electoral votes?

Meanwhile: https://fox2now.com/news/...s-on-i-35/

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None - There was the peaceful protest against sexual violence.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-38700648

so more than none?

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[Edited 10/31/20 20:46pm]

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Reply #15 posted 10/31/20 9:42pm

IanRG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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None - There was the peaceful protest against sexual violence.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-38700648

so more than none?

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[Edited 10/31/20 20:46pm]

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OK, so I was wrong and I did not know or remember that there was virtually none - which is still too much.

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However, no one was shot and killed, run down by a car, tried to plan insurrection or joined groups to work for a civil war like the Boogaloos as we have seen from the fascists, white supremacists and far-right anti-government militias. Looking further, there were protestors and police with minor injuries - some broke some windows, the police were over zealous in their use of tear gas and stun grenades including against an old couple and a mother and child. Naturally this resulted in things being thrown.

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Lets compare these minor incidents to what is quite possible if trump loses: There is nothing in what you posted that says Hillary encourgaged or organised violence because she did not win. Against this we have trump openly calling on people to liberate States from their Democratic governors, blaming the same for militias planning to do this, sending codewords and symbols to fascists, white supremacists and far right anti-government militias indicating his support and encouragment of these, saying in the presidential debate, no less, when called to condemn violence that one of these groups should "stand by". The threat today is from trump's narcissism and all the work he has done to have these evil groups ready and standing by for him - groups he knows are responsible for 3 quarters of political murders in the USA. Against this you want to make a point out of some property damage and minor injuries once the police started using tear gas and stun grenades?

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Reply #16 posted 11/01/20 1:40am

IanRG

And it has already started - trump encouraged people to harass voters and there are reports of people being harassed going to polling stations.

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Add to this the MAGA cavalry surrounding, slowing and apparently seeking to force a Biden campaign bus off the road. trump's response: a tweet of the video with "I LOVE TEXAS".

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Link

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And there are still people who think trump is worth voting for or saying they did not vote for him but defend him regardless.

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This is what happens when a narcissist has the power of the presidency, ties to fascists, white supremacists and far-right anti government militia and even risks losing!

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Reply #17 posted 11/01/20 12:02pm

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jaawwnn said:

I can imagine him just not turning up for work for the next three months.



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Reply #18 posted 11/01/20 12:22pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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None - There was the peaceful protest against sexual violence.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-38700648

so more than none?

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[Edited 10/31/20 20:46pm]

Ah okay, you. mean like, riots and property destruction. Here's more of a breakdown on that front:

https://www.usatoday.com/.../93633154/

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Reply #19 posted 11/01/20 12:35pm

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In Texas and now on the Garden State FWY. The crazies are panicking already and starting their stupidity already

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Reply #20 posted 11/01/20 12:53pm

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It kinda feels like a fight between intelligence and toxic masculinity (And there Stockholm syndrome suffering enablers) at this point!

Too much?
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