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Reply #150 posted 10/28/20 8:20pm

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now this is really interesting. This cannot be real lol

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Reply #151 posted 10/28/20 8:30pm

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https://www.merriam-webst...r-sjw-mean

Social Justice Warrior

An often mocking term for one who is seen as overly progressive
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What does social justice warrior mean?

Social justice warrior is an often mocking term for one who is seen as overly progressive or left-wing. It's often abbreviated as SJW.

Where did social justice warrior come from?

Our earliest records of social justice warrior come from the 1940s, and the term is used entirely without sarcasm.

Rt. Rev. John. A Ryan Dies; Social Justice Warrior
— (headline) The Catholic Advance (Wichita, KS), 21 Sept. 1945 However, this does not indicate that the words were commonly paired; they appear as a fixed phrase quite rarely until the late 20th century, at which point they are mostly used pejoratively.

How is social justice warrior used?

Social justice warrior and SJW are typically used with sardonic application, referring to a person who is seen as overly enthusiastic about issues of fairness in the treatment of matters of race, gender, or identity.

Lussier will present the world premiere of his ambitious Quebecois mood piece Le Tresor de la Langue, which juxtaposes the spoken word - including sound bites from Charles de Gaulle and Quebec nationalist and social-justice warrior Michel Chartrand - with new- music noodlings.
The Gazette (Montreal, Que.), 8 Sept. 1991

It centers on Ziggy Klein, a mousy teenager on the lowest rung of the social ladder at an all-girls school, who befriends Lex and Tessa, a pair of burgeoning social-justice warriors. Lex, a Bangladesh-born adoptee, is a person of color; Tessa, who has a prosthetic arm, identifies as a cyborg. "Inappropriation" follows Ziggy's quest to discover which newly minted labels apply to her.
— Sam Sacks, The Wall Street Journal, 11 Aug. 2018

I learnt a term that these people use as a put-down of those who try to advocate a fairer world for all - SJWs or Social Justice Warriors. I am still struggling to see how that can be a diss.
Sunday News (Auckland, New Zealand), 8 Jul 2018

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Reply #152 posted 10/29/20 12:35am

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The same bullying and over-reacting was going on in this thread 6 months ago...same reactions, different topics.

Personally, I think this forum should be shut down completely. It's used to form alliances and bully.

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I disagree for two reason - it provides a place so this is not discussed in other forums and with decline in numbers here, do you really want fewer people here just because some can they play rough in the rough play compound?

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I come the the Org for PM&M but seldom post there because to me it can be more toxic - disagreeing about politics is one thing but I think the way people are treated in PM&M because they like or don't like the right era or song or to have their opinion on how a song affects them mocked and trashed is worse. People expect disagreements in politics but music is an intensely personal thing for everyone - especially a fan.

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Reply #153 posted 10/29/20 5:37am

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About 6 months ago, when Covid was on the rise and there was quite a bit of misinformation, I asked that we look to more scientific sources such as Johns Hopkins, CDC etc. as there was a sense of hysteria here. I will never forget how I was over-ridden. I am an RN with many years of experience and know that one needs to be careful about sourcing medical information. I was over-ridden by folks getting their information from news outlets like CNN or the NY Times.

I don't think there is enough inquiry here as to where 'information' is being obtained.

Yes, there are a few independent thinkers, but from what I have seen, there is a overwhelming

liberal majority who are right-fighters, many of whom have not read widely or deeply.

This is my main concern about this forum.

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Reply #154 posted 10/29/20 5:40am

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John Krasinski in Jack Ryan (Amazon Studios).

Essay January 31, 2020
Jack Ryan: Social Justice Warrior

Titus Techera

Season two of Jack Ryan is the answer to a question nobody asked: How could the CIA effect regime change in Venezuela with the blessing of elite liberals? The answer only takes a minute of screen time in which Jack Ryan claims that Venezuela is run by a nationalist tyrant who has impoverished the country despite its great natural resources. But, Ryan adds, miraculously, there is a savior in waiting, a social justice female academic, running against him in upcoming elections.

The show further reassures its woke audience by segregating the Hispanic antagonists by color—white for the tyrant, but brown for the social justice heroine, just in case good and evil aren't painfully clear. Further still, daring American liberals, both black and white, criticize the tyrant to his face and walk away unscathed. The show manages to be self-righteous about an entirely inverted realty—a Venezuela that is somehow the victim of nationalism in need of social justice.
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Why is this fictional inversion of the reality in Venezuela necessary? Liberals can allow themselves to care for Venezuelans only if they pretend it's not the socialist Maduro, with help from communists in Castro's Cuba, destroying the lives of millions of people—right now and for generations to come. And if you doubt the liberal desire to identify more with tyrants murdering Americans than with America itself, just remember the recent Iran hysteria. Liberals were less forthcoming than the Iranian media about Soleimani's real legacy.

Indeed, the show is plagued by this immoral refusal of the truth. Many on the Left cannot find it in their hearts to support the protestors in Hong Kong seeking freedom from China. At the same time, they still cannot accept that communist China has become the worst tyranny on the planet, despite its regime having placed at least a million Muslim Uyghurs in a new gulag system. So also with the ongoing Iranian protests or the previous ones last November—the Left likes Ayatollah Khamenei because he's an America-hating tyrant.
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A further problem is that liberals believe America is only justified in overthrowing a regime if it is a response to perfect injustice, irrespective of American interests, which preferably are not involved at all. The show's creators meet these stringent conditions by having the Venezuelan regime murder an American senator in Caracas—himself Hispanic, a veteran, and a sort of father figure to Jack Ryan—in some conspiracy connected to the tyrant. It is only under these conditions that Ryan believes himself to be forced, against his will, to overthrow a tyranny.

Aside from distractions, the plot is a mix of such events. Later in the season, Jim Greer, Jack's primary mentor, who is black and Muslim—again, in order to show the correct woke morality—is captured and tortured by the tyrant's men. This, of course, further inspires Ryan to take action against the regime and save Greer.
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The show also offers a suitable heroine to lead the Venezuelan people out of misery. The show sets the future female president up as an idol, a perfect mother to her family and a courageous revolutionary. Crowds at campaign events adore her as she calls for revolution and an end to poverty. She talks about hunger but seems to live in luxury, indeed paradise, and everyone around her is just short of model pretty. Hers is photo-op heroism, without sacrifice, danger, or discomfort.

Nor have liberals escaped their longstanding sentimentality about evil. The misery of more than 30 million Venezuelans is no reason to avoid scenes where the tyrant and his right-hand man reminisce about their childhood patriotism and good intentions. This might seem gratuitous and merely an inability to take tyranny seriously—but it's not. Sentimentality about cruelty simply prepares viewers for the overarching theme of the show: colonialism is evil, and American capitalism is to blame.
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In this fictive universe, foreign tyrants offer little competition to American senators when it comes to orchestrating evil for profit. When Ryan unveils the season's main conspiracy, led by a U.S. senator—obviously, a rich, white man—the story finally achieves the complete liberal vision of politics. The enemy was us all along!
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The show's obsession with skin color as morality might appear to be simple woke virtue signaling, or perhaps a well-meaning overreaction to America's past racism. But it goes beyond this. It is, in fact, the direct result of a view of world politics where America acts only for the advancement of its colonial schemes and the pursuit of wealth, not honor or principle. American exploitation explains every tyrant in the world.
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This also explains the obvious madness of depicting Venezuela as a nationalist tyranny in need of the socialist revolution, when in reality that revolution already occurred and continues to beat and starve its people. But from the liberal point of view, the real evil is always American capitalist exploitation—hence the need for more socialism.
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Moreover, this mentality forces the Left to view nationalism as a form of false consciousness—a favorite old Marxist phrase. This remains an understandable defensive mistake, since it starts, like the tyrant, from good intentions about family and community, but eventually leads to violence. Nationalists lack an adequate understanding of the evils of capitalism, and America especially. And so they fail to see that without the socialist revolution, even good intentions are doomed to be captured by capitalism.
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So most of what's wrong with the show, especially the obviously crazy or sentimental moments, follows from the standard Marxist vision, muddled though it is by woke passions. This ideological framework frequently gets in the way of some good old-fashioned action, in which Ryan and his fellow spooks and Special Forces operators kick ass and take names. But the framework isn't incidental. It is what lets the writers recast the reality of Venezuela today.
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You might not think of the Marxist temptation our liberals keep succumbing to as a kind of fantasy or cosplay, but it is. Since TV sells us political fantasies with worrisome regularity, why not this one, too? Admittedly, Marx thought of his work as rigorously scientific, and the politics he inspired was deadly serious. America's Left elites, however, have never understood Marxism or socialism as a concrete regime. To them, it's mostly a rebellious fantasy, albeit a dangerous one.
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Other parts of the show, especially the action, are quite good and all shot in HDR (high dynamic range), which is the new standard for prestige TV. The acting is passable and the production is quite impressive, which has the effect of beautifying a country that is supposedly starving. This way, viewers who have no idea about the realities of Venezuela can enjoy the thriller without any concerns.
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For those who do know enough to see what's wrong with Jack Ryan's Venezuela, it's trickier. To achieve the same effect, imagine Xi Jinping and China are misunderstood victims of American capitalism and the Uyghurs in the gulags are in need of more socialist brainwashing—which must be even truer for the wealthy protesters in Hong Kong. Or imagine Ayatollah Khamenei is a victim of capitalism and the protesters in the streets of Iranian cities are in need of Marx to rid them of their false consciousness problems.

The new Jack Ryan has moved on from its focus on Jack as a wounded warrior to a new effort to undermine the idea of American decency as a whole—a perversion of Tom Clancy's legacy.


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Reply #155 posted 10/29/20 6:06am

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Margot said:

About 6 months ago, when Covid was on the rise and there was quite a bit of misinformation, I asked that we look to more scientific sources such as Johns Hopkins, CDC etc. as there was a sense of hysteria here. I will never forget how I was over-ridden. I am an RN with many years of experience and know that one needs to be careful about sourcing medical information. I was over-ridden by folks getting their information from news outlets like CNN or the NY Times.

I don't think there is enough inquiry here as to where 'information' is being obtained.

Yes, there are a few independent thinkers, but from what I have seen, there is a overwhelming

liberal majority who are right-fighters, many of whom have not read widely or deeply.

This is my main concern about this forum.

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And I work with medical researchers from around the world and have only experienced false information about covid 19 in this forum by people seeking to support trump and co. in playing it down. My brother is an RN and his wife, a doctor and they are both appalled by the right's failure in places like the USA and UK - We are looking at this from Australia, where the right here has been far more successful, so it is not an issue of liberal right-fighters.

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It is not independent thought that is required but factual thought based on science not political preference.

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Also remember this is an independent fan site for a musician, not a media outlet or scientific think tank.

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Reply #156 posted 10/29/20 6:53am

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"I think people ought to know that we're anti-fascist, we're anti-violence, we're anti-racist and we're pro-creative. We're against ignorance."
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Reply #157 posted 10/29/20 6:54am

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such a good joke

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Reply #158 posted 10/29/20 7:02am

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All in good fun

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Reply #159 posted 10/29/20 8:49am

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How about the irony of Halloween. The right linked it to Satanism, killing babies, razor blades in apples, crazy lies. Remember those fake haunted houses with the abortion rooms?

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #161 posted 10/29/20 9:12am

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lololol Ben Garrison cartoons! Man, that's a hard turn to the right, respect!

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Reply #162 posted 10/29/20 9:13am

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You should look up Black Pigeon Speaks, he might be up your alley these days lol

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Reply #163 posted 10/29/20 9:26am

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2freaky4church1 said:

How about the irony of Halloween. The right linked it to Satanism, killing babies, razor blades in apples, crazy lies. Remember those fake haunted houses with the abortion rooms?

LOL the 80s was HOT with that stuff. Do you remember when all those people started claiming their were molested or abused after visiting psychiatrists? that was the 80s into the 90s. Yep I remember the razor blades in apples lol I think it happened once and then the fear spread like wildfire. Yes once we had our treats snatched by some kids waiting in the bushes once lol fright night

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Reply #164 posted 10/29/20 9:29am

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Reply #165 posted 10/29/20 9:41am

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MORE!!

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Reply #166 posted 10/29/20 9:57am

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Reply #167 posted 10/29/20 10:05am

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Get him Matt Bors:

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #168 posted 10/29/20 10:06am

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Check this one out:





HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Reply #169 posted 10/29/20 10:07am

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I can explain to you if you don't get the joke

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Reply #170 posted 10/29/20 10:08am

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All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #171 posted 10/29/20 10:10am

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This one right here, this is pretty subtle but I really think it gets to the heart of the SJW problem


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Reply #172 posted 10/29/20 10:13am

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very good lol lol




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Reply #173 posted 10/29/20 10:15am

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This is called owning them with their own logic


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Reply #174 posted 10/29/20 10:15am

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I'm here all weekend guys!

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Reply #175 posted 10/29/20 1:55pm

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sharp lookin fella (like his papa😎)...looks like the kinda guy Serena Williams would marry and make babies with
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Reply #176 posted 10/29/20 2:00pm

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jaawwnn said:

sharp lookin fella (like his papa😎)...looks like the kinda guy Serena Williams would marry and make babies with

LOL

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Reply #177 posted 10/29/20 2:35pm

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Being offended by an imagined cultural appropriation is weird. When I am in Myanmar I regularly wear a longyi. Non Myanmar people have asked about whether this cultural appropriation, but Myanmar people have stopped and thanked me for it.

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Reply #178 posted 10/29/20 4:59pm

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jaawwnn said:

I'm here all weekend guys!

Yikes, I wouldn't have admitted that. Life is short fella... No one is that important.

And no one is changing the world on the Org.
All weekend? 24hrs? It's just Thursday in New York sad

I'm not even paying attention to you 'bro?' but this is a bit ... cyber /inˌfaCHəˈwāSH(ə)n/?

This seems a bit 'obsessed' with me, my threads/posts? How I make you feel, inside?
um ewww

This feels a bit uncomfortable, reading that. Don't do that to yourself confused lurking

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Reply #179 posted 10/29/20 5:00pm

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RJOrion said:

jaawwnn said:

sharp lookin fella (like his papa😎)...looks like the kinda guy Serena Williams would marry and make babies with

LOL

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