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Reply #90 posted 10/27/20 8:08am

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to the herp, no I'm not one.

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New Yorkers, you can thank me in part because I too, am a SJW(maybe activist is better) when it comes to working to legalize pot. This is a fact.


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Reply #91 posted 10/27/20 8:48am

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RJOrion said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

to the herp, no I'm not one.

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New Yorkers, you can thank me in part because I too, am a SJW(maybe activist is better) when it comes to working to legalize pot. This is a fact.


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Reply #92 posted 10/27/20 11:03am

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Is that Penny Purple? lol

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #93 posted 10/27/20 11:28am

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be nice!

If you do not defended some speech you abhor then you do NOT support free speech.
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Reply #94 posted 10/27/20 11:53am

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Why I'm Not A Social Justice Warrior

Tia Osborne

Nov 18, 2019·7 min read




I remember when I first read Audre Lorde's seminal essay, The Master's Tools Will Never Dismantle the Master's House as a sophomore in college. I felt like I was hearing something so familiar, yet revolutionary. In it, Audre Lorde criticizes the white organizers of the conference where she's speaking for their inability to see the intersections of racial, sexual and gender hierarchies in their activism and in their own practices. She admonished white feminism's hypocrisy in trying to disrupt patriarchy, while perpetuating practices of marginalizing the voices of women of color specifically/especially as she herself was being tokenized at that moment. Specifically, she voiced the frustrations of being treated as a token conference speaker and I, as the only Black woman in class, knew that practically every time I spoke, my white colleagues were hearing one of the few, if not only, progressive Black voices in their lives up to that point.

I was somewhere on the distant left, basking in the easy authenticity of being a young Black woman with a recently grown afro and working-class ethics. So when I did talk, I had to really challenge the fundamentals of the content and direction of many of the discussions we had in class. For me, speaking up meant speaking to many puzzled white people. Folks who felt challenged just by my presence. They felt I took everything too literally, too aggressively, or too abstractly. Whatever microaggression you can think of, Feel free to insert the microaggression of your choice here; I heard it. While I couldn't quite grasp the fullness and complexity of the world then and I definitely still can't now,

I feel like those of us who are concerned with social justice are still living in the world of Lorde's 1979 essay. That even with all of our wokeness, we still are missing something fundamental when we recognize someone's discriminatory practices. The problem starts with a particular brand of social justice warriors (or SJWs) and call-out culture.
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A social justice warrior describes a person who is willfully trying to make a difference, but they are going about it in the worst possible way. Warriors for social justice typically are students of some humanities degree, who, after being traumatized by American history in college, speak of "tearing down the system" without doing enough thinking, which results in gratuitous amounts of Tweeting hashtags and outrage without actually doing any work or research into solving the problem at hand. SJWs are symbolic, there is no action behind the outrage. virtue signaling and an abnormal Twitter habit. They are slightly naive, but not wrong. They're not actually/often wrong in the outrage, they are misdirected. Someone who is misdirected in their self-righteousness typically sees any resistance to their call-out as legitimate resistance to societal change. For example, if I get into verbal fisticuffs with someone over his use of the word "cunt", I will most likely mistake this person's anger and resentment and mansplaining as "toxic masculinity" and "unchecked privilege". In reality, the entire conversation is misplaced. Patriarchy will still be a thing even if men en masse stopped calling women "cunts". Arguing over words is only ever going to make a person not say the word anymore; that is until they log on to 8chan and complain about the whole interaction to their adoring audience of online trolls.

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SJWs, therefore, make it so easy to criticize leftist politics and tear down otherwise meaningful movements and conversations, as we see happen every day with Trump acolytes dismissing legitimate causes as SJW "whining and crying." Just watch Fox News any time. But even I, a Black woman who read The Communist Manifesto in eighth grade, find it difficult to understand their endless individual outrage. The call-out culture that we see emerging on Twitter when a celebrity or company says or does something that offends us (or a marginalized group) isn't enough to produce transformative change. It allows for too much virtue signaling and victim-making to actually keep track of what the actual issues are. Think back to the H&M hoodie controversy. When the image of 5-year-old, Black child named Liam in a hoodie that read, "Coolest Monkey in the Jungle" went viral. The internet didn't stop to think that the outcome of its outrage might mean that Liam would never get work as a model again. It also didn't think twice about attacking Liam's mother as an "Uncle Tom". Eventually, as the conspiracy theories started to roll in, the family had to seek protection...

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https://medium.com/@tmari...3fc1a4f450

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She wrote this in late 2019, long after the term had died to call out people by generalisations because her call outs from her computer are better than theirs.

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Reply #95 posted 10/27/20 12:48pm

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Reply #96 posted 10/27/20 1:02pm

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haha I have seen this or ones like it maybe 20 times in the last 4 years... I love them! How how they mocked him... saddly I have a feeling that the shoe will be on the other foot in 8 days.

If you do not defended some speech you abhor then you do NOT support free speech.
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Reply #97 posted 10/27/20 3:32pm

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Is that Penny Purple? lol

lol Why would that be me?

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Reply #98 posted 10/27/20 3:33pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

be nice!

Freaky is fine, we always razz each other.

Or maybe I should be like others and report every post???

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Reply #99 posted 10/27/20 3:50pm

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PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

be nice!

Freaky is fine, we always razz each other.

Or maybe I should be like others and report every post???

I was defending the woman in the photo.

If you do not defended some speech you abhor then you do NOT support free speech.
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Reply #100 posted 10/27/20 3:55pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

Freaky is fine, we always razz each other.

Or maybe I should be like others and report every post???

I was defending the woman in the photo.

Since when do you defend any woman?

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Reply #101 posted 10/27/20 4:21pm

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PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I was defending the woman in the photo.

Since when do you defend any woman?

relax... and I am a big defender of woman...I am a yuge advocate for equality and justice. but this is a light hearted topic so relax... it is all groovy...

If you do not defended some speech you abhor then you do NOT support free speech.
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Reply #102 posted 10/27/20 4:23pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

Since when do you defend any woman?

relax... and I am a big defender of woman...I am a yuge advocate for equality and justice. but this is a light hearted topic so relax... it is all groovy...

You are full of doody and you lie.

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Reply #103 posted 10/27/20 6:24pm

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Why I’ve Started to Fear My Fellow Social Justice Activists

We are alienating each other with unrestrained callouts and unchecked self-righteousness. Here’s how that can stop.

Callout culture. The quest for purity. Privilege theory taken to extremes. I’ve observed some of these questionable patterns in my activist communities over the past several years.

As an activist, I stand with others against white supremacy, anti-blackness, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, and imperialism. I am queer, trans, Chinese American, middle class, and able-bodied.

Holding these identities scattered across the spectrum of privilege, I have done my best to find my place in the movement, while educating myself on social justice issues to the best of my ability. But after witnessing countless people be ruthlessly torn apart in community for their mistakes and missteps, I started to fear my own comrades.

I started to fear my own comrades.

As a cultural studies scholar, I am interested in how that culture—as expressed through discourse and popular narratives—does the work of power. Many disciplinary practices of the activist culture succeed in curbing oppressive behaviors. Callouts, for example, are necessary for identifying and addressing problematic behavior. But have they become the default response to fending off harm? Shutting down racist, sexist, and similar conversations protects vulnerable participants. But has it devolved into simply shutting down all dissenting ideas? When these tactics are liberally applied, without limit, inside marginalized groups, I believe they hold back movements by alienating both potential allies and their own members.

In response to the unrestrained use of callouts and unchecked self-righteousness by leftist activists, I spend enormous amounts of energy protecting my activist identity from attack. I self-police what I say when among other activists. If I’m not 100 percent sold on the reasons for a political protest, I keep those opinions to myself—though I might show up anyway.

On social media, I’ve stopped commenting with thoughtful push back on popular social justice positions for fear of being called out. For example, even though some women at the 2017 women’s march reproduced the false and transmisogynistic idea that all women have vaginas, I still believe that the event was a critical win for the left and should not be written off so easily as it has been by some in my community.

I spend enormous amounts of energy protecting my activist identity from attack.

Understand, even though I am using callouts as a prime example, I am not against them. Several times, I have been called out for ways I have carelessly exhibited ableism, transmisogyny, fatphobia, and xenophobia. I am able to rebound quickly when responding with openness to those situations. I am against a culture that encourages callouts conducted irresponsibly, ones that abandon the person being called out and ones done out of a desire to experience power by humiliating another community member.

I am also concerned about who controls the language of social justice, as I see it wielded as a weapon against community members who don’t have access to this rapidly evolving lexicon. Terms like “oppression,” “tone policing,” “emotional labor,” “diversity,” and “allyship” are all used in specific ways to draw attention to the plight of minoritized people. Yet their meanings can also be manipulated to attack and exclude.

Furthermore, most social justice 101 articles I see online are prescriptive checklists. Although these can be useful resources for someone who has little familiarity with these issues, I worry that this model of education contributes to the false idea that we have only one way to think about, talk about, and ultimately, do activism. I think that movements are able to fully breathe only when there is a plurality of tactics, and to some extent, of ideologies.

I am not the first nor the last to point out that these movements for liberation and justice are exhibiting the same oppressive patterns that we are fighting against in larger society. Rather than wallowing in critique or walking away from this work, I choose a third option—that we as a community slow down, acknowledge this pattern and develop an ethics of activism as a response.

I believe it’s sorely needed as we struggle to mobilize in a chaotic and unjust world.

What might an ethics of activism look like?

Knowing When To Be Hard And When To Be Soft

Adopting A Politics Of Imperfection And Responsibility

Tapping Into Our Shared Humanity

These are suggestions that have aided me in navigating toxic social justice environments. In testing them out, I try to stay open to new tactics while understanding that I must remain flexible and responsive to the variable stages of justice work. If we as activists do not feel safe in our experimental microcosms of justice and liberation, what can we attempt to replicate across larger society?

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Reply #105 posted 10/27/20 6:32pm

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PennyPurple said:

Since when do you defend any woman?

relax... and I am a big defender of woman...I am a yuge advocate for equality and justice. but this is a light hearted topic so relax... it is all groovy...

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How is this light hearted?

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We have the OP feeling unloved and accusing others of being selfish because it was pointed out by a number of people that this is just poking fun at people from the other side of politics using a dated right wing cancel culture meme created to silence people trying to do good things on the basis that some of them did not do this effectively.

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http://www.laloyolan.com/social_justice/the-difference-between-a-social-justice-activist-advocate-and-ally/article_caad7adc-fa8b-5227-9cd2-3870c85611f4.html

The difference between a social justice activist, advocate and ally

  • Mar 30, 2019

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A social justice activist knows what being involved in activism entails. It's about community. It's not a one-man crusade show. If you consider yourself an activist, recognize that defining yourself by that isn't the action. The action is being there and doing the work with and for others.

There’s a difference between being an activist, advocate and ally, but these terms are often used interchangeably. There doesn’t seem to be a clear distinction because they are similar terms relating to activism. I question what the differences are and if the differences are even that substantial.

One definition of ally is, according to Merriam-Webster, "one that is associated with another as a helper: a person or group that provides assistance and support in an ongoing effort, activity or struggle.” It continues to elaborate that the term is “often now used specifically for a person who is not a member of a marginalized or mistreated group, but who expresses or gives support to that group.”

Allyship is often treated as a category for those who support the LGBTQ+ cause. The idea behind it is that because an ally isn’t someone who experiences being a part of the LGBTQ+ community, they don’t necessarily have the scope to speak on LGBT experiences. According to the Human Rights Campaign, “an 'ally' is a term used to describe someone who is supportive of LGBT people.” It also proposes that allies can exist within the LGBTQ+ community, "e.g. a lesbian who is an ally to the bisexual community." However, it should be known that not all LGBT people are allies within the LGBTQ+ community. While they have a similar community, being gay and being bisexual might not always encompass the same experiences.

An advocate, according to Merriam-Webs...definition, is "one who pleads the cause of another; one who defends or maintains a cause or proposal; one who supports or promotes the interests of a cause or group." According to Jenn T. Grace, a business strategist, speaker and author specializing in the LGBTQ+ market, "an advocate can also be involved in controversial activities or issues, but because they are speaking on behalf of a group, they tend to be more likely to follow the paths of lobbying and legislation." Grace's definition implies that advocacy is mostly about formal or legal activity.

Being an advocate is relatively more impactful when an advocate acknowledges and utilizes their privilege to engage in controversial situations on behalf of marginalized people and groups who can't afford to do so in order to make social and political change. Grace uses Angelina Jolie as an example of someone who can be an advocate to the UN, because her social and economic status allows her the mobility to question and challenge authority without severe repercussions. However, I don't believe advocacy is exclusive to famous people.

An activist, as Merriem-Webster defines it, is "one who advocates or practices activism: a person who uses or supports strong actions (such as public protests) in support of or opposition to one side of a controversial issue." To define an activist by this definition as an individual term devoid of social justice, I believe, is a fair definition. However, I don't believe this definition encapsulates the definition of an activist for social justice specifically.

The definition of a social justice activist that I believe in is someone who doesn't place the responsibility of social change all on themselves; they work towards it in accompaniment with others. The difference in defining an advocate and ally compared to an activist. Activists remain aware of their community and their community's needs. They recognize that social justice isn't a cause that has an end. It is a medium that keeps accountability and justice going. An activist can be anyone, but it's beyond just claiming the title; it's being involved with a community.

This is the opinion of Robyn De Leon, a sophomore journalism major from Thousand Oaks, CA. Tweet comments to @LALoyolan or email comments to bdeleon@theloyolan.com.

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Reply #107 posted 10/27/20 6:33pm

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IanRG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

relax... and I am a big defender of woman...I am a yuge advocate for equality and justice. but this is a light hearted topic so relax... it is all groovy...

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How is this light hearted?

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We have the OP feeling unloved and accusing others of being selfish because it was pointed out by a number of people that this is just poking fun at people from the other side of politics using a dated right wing cancel culture meme created to silence people trying to do good things on the basis that some of them did not do this effectively.

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"There is no point in continuing this discussion."

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Reply #108 posted 10/27/20 6:36pm

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You already are.

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Ad Hominem Fallacy

When people think of "arguments," often their first thought is of shouting matches riddled with personal attacks. Ironically, personal attacks run contrary to rational arguments. In logic and rhetoric, a personal attack is called an ad hominem. Ad hominem is Latin for "against the man." Instead of advancing good sound reasoning, an ad hominem replaces logical argumentation with attack-language unrelated to the truth of the matter.

More specifically, the ad hominem is a fallacy of relevance where someone rejects or criticizes another person's view on the basis of personal characteristics, background, physical appearance, or other features irrelevant to the argument at issue.

An ad hominem is more than just an insult. It's an insult used as if it were an argument or evidence in support of a conclusion. Verbally attacking people proves nothing about the truth or falsity of their claims. Use of an ad hominem is commonly known in politics as "mudslinging." Instead of addressing the candidate's stance on the issues, or addressing his or her effectiveness as a statesman or stateswoman, an ad hominem focuses on personality issues, speech patterns, wardrobe, style, and other things that affect popularity but have no bearing on their competence. In this way, an ad hominem can be unethical, seeking to manipulate voters by appealing to irrelevant foibles and name-calling instead of addressing core issues. In this last election cycle, personal attacks were volleyed freely from all sides of the political aisle, with both Clinton and Trump facing their fair share of ad hominem fallacies.

Ad hominem is an insult used as if it were an argument or evidence in support of a conclusion.

The use of ad hominem often signals the point at which a civil disagreement has descended into a "fight." Whether it's siblings, friends, or lovers, most everyone has had a verbal disagreement crumble into a disjointed shouting match of angry insults and accusations aimed at discrediting the other person. When these insults crowd out a substantial argument, they become ad hominems.

Your Turn:

See if you can tell which of these is an ad hominem argument, and which is just an insult.

Example 1

"MacDougal roots for a British football team. Clearly he's unfit to be a police chief in Ireland."

Example 2

"All people from Crete are liars"

PennyPurple said:

You already are.

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Reply #110 posted 10/27/20 6:51pm

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IanRG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

relax... and I am a big defender of woman...I am a yuge advocate for equality and justice. but this is a light hearted topic so relax... it is all groovy...

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How is this light hearted?

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We have the OP feeling unloved and accusing others of being selfish because it was pointed out by a number of people that this is just poking fun at people from the other side of politics using a dated right wing cancel culture meme created to silence people trying to do good things on the basis that some of them did not do this effectively.

Not... and is it is not just one side. The SJW movement is wrong. It is what people like Richard Pryor and George Carlin warned us about.

It is the mindset that says it is okay to riot to stop someone they do not like from speaking. What a healthy person would do is NOT go to listen.

If you do not defended some speech you abhor then you do NOT support free speech.
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Reply #111 posted 10/27/20 6:55pm

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So many folks have lost a sense of nuance and tolerance. Both sides are extreme.

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Reply #112 posted 10/27/20 7:25pm

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IanRG said:

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How is this light hearted?

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We have the OP feeling unloved and accusing others of being selfish because it was pointed out by a number of people that this is just poking fun at people from the other side of politics using a dated right wing cancel culture meme created to silence people trying to do good things on the basis that some of them did not do this effectively.

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"There is no point in continuing this discussion."

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This reply has nothing to do with our previous discussion on whether it is better to follow Elijah mocking people praying to false idol or Jesus blessing people for seeking social justice in the Beatitudes.

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Remember it is better to address the issue rather than the person. The Anti-SJW campaign started by the far right in 2009/10 was always seeking to attack and mock the person and silence the issue the SJW was addressing.

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Reply #113 posted 10/27/20 7:47pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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How is this light hearted?

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We have the OP feeling unloved and accusing others of being selfish because it was pointed out by a number of people that this is just poking fun at people from the other side of politics using a dated right wing cancel culture meme created to silence people trying to do good things on the basis that some of them did not do this effectively.

Not... and is it is not just one side. The SJW movement is wrong. It is what people like Richard Pryor and George Carlin warned us about.

It is the mindset that says it is okay to riot to stop someone they do not like from speaking. What a healthy person would do is NOT go to listen.

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Glad to see you now agree that this is not a joke discussion but a real issue not to be taken lightheartedly.

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The range of people orginally tagged by the far right wing cancel culture as SJWs included many people that were effective and real activists. That "real" activists joined in to complain about others not doing activism right does not change this.

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Your answer shows the tactic being deployed. Instead of addressing the issue, you attack the person or anyone who can be grouped together with SJWs. SJWs were not known for rioting, most did not even protest away from their computer. The silencing of people by both sides is equally wrong - the objective of tagging people as SJW was to silence them.

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As always there is a need for balance between allowing free speech and allowing for the consequences of free-speech. There is a point where provocateurs do step over the line and the consequences outweigh the benefits. You know this as evidenced by your call to JJ on the use that certain word. Some of the people that have been prevented from talking at Unis etc. should not have been and some should have been. This is a separate issue from people seeking to mock others to silence as a way of not addressing the issues the others have raised.

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Reply #114 posted 10/27/20 7:49pm

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IanRG said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

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"There is no point in continuing this discussion."

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This reply has nothing to do with our previous discussion on whether it is better to follow Elijah mocking people praying to false idol or Jesus blessing people for seeking social justice in the Beatitudes.

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Remember it is better to address the issue rather than the person. The Anti-SJW campaign started by the far right in 2009/10 was always seeking to attack and mock the person and silence the issue the SJW was addressing.

it was a thing in the 70s it was just called something else... it is funny how APPLE and GOOGLE stated as a kind of rage against the machine...now they are the machine... PC became SJW

and the right has the same problems with karans and Lindas calling the cops on people or just being a nusence... wanting to not wear a mask or wanting a something for free

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Reply #115 posted 10/27/20 7:50pm

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IanRG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Not... and is it is not just one side. The SJW movement is wrong. It is what people like Richard Pryor and George Carlin warned us about.

It is the mindset that says it is okay to riot to stop someone they do not like from speaking. What a healthy person would do is NOT go to listen.

.

Glad to see you now agree that this is not a joke discussion but a real issue not to be taken lightheartedly.

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The range of people orginally tagged by the far right wing cancel culture as SJWs included many people that were effective and real activists. That "real" activists joined in to complain about others not doing activism right does not change this.

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Your answer shows the tactic being deployed. Instead of addressing the issue, you attack the person or anyone who can be grouped together with SJWs. SJWs were not known for rioting, most did not even protest away from their computer. The silencing of people by both sides is equally wrong - the objective of tagging people as SJW was to silence them.

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As always there is a need for balance between allowing free speech and allowing for the consequences of free-speech. There is a point where provocateurs do step over the line and the consequences outweigh the benefits. You know this as evidenced by your call to JJ on the use that certain word. Some of the people that have been prevented from talking at Unis etc. should not have been and some should have been. This is a separate issue from people seeking to mock others to silence as a way of not addressing the issues the others have raised.

this post is meant to be but karans came in and took it off the rails... *I stopped reading after the fist 'paragraph'

If you do not defended some speech you abhor then you do NOT support free speech.
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Reply #116 posted 10/27/20 7:52pm

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Margot said:

So many folks have lost a sense of nuance and tolerance. Both sides are extreme.

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Agreed.

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And the way address this is to stop tagging and mocking people because they come from the other side or group and, instead seek to find: The places we agree, The places we can agree to compromise or agree to disagee - and thereby limit the arguments to just the relatively few key areas where people cannot in good faith cross that line with honesty and integrity.

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Reply #117 posted 10/27/20 8:01pm

IanRG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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Glad to see you now agree that this is not a joke discussion but a real issue not to be taken lightheartedly.

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The range of people orginally tagged by the far right wing cancel culture as SJWs included many people that were effective and real activists. That "real" activists joined in to complain about others not doing activism right does not change this.

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Your answer shows the tactic being deployed. Instead of addressing the issue, you attack the person or anyone who can be grouped together with SJWs. SJWs were not known for rioting, most did not even protest away from their computer. The silencing of people by both sides is equally wrong - the objective of tagging people as SJW was to silence them.

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As always there is a need for balance between allowing free speech and allowing for the consequences of free-speech. There is a point where provocateurs do step over the line and the consequences outweigh the benefits. You know this as evidenced by your call to JJ on the use that certain word. Some of the people that have been prevented from talking at Unis etc. should not have been and some should have been. This is a separate issue from people seeking to mock others to silence as a way of not addressing the issues the others have raised.

this post is meant to be but karans came in and took it off the rails... *I stopped reading after the fist 'paragraph'

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And then the Boo-hoo-galoos snowflaked. (I apologise in advance - this is just a demonstration of the silliness of mocking as an alternative to adult discussion)

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Of course you claim to have stopped reading. Each time you claim this, it says more about you than anything else.

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Reply #118 posted 10/27/20 8:26pm

IanRG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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This reply has nothing to do with our previous discussion on whether it is better to follow Elijah mocking people praying to false idol or Jesus blessing people for seeking social justice in the Beatitudes.

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Remember it is better to address the issue rather than the person. The Anti-SJW campaign started by the far right in 2009/10 was always seeking to attack and mock the person and silence the issue the SJW was addressing.

it was a thing in the 70s it was just called something else... it is funny how APPLE and GOOGLE stated as a kind of rage against the machine...now they are the machine... PC became SJW

and the right has the same problems with karans and Lindas calling the cops on people or just being a nusence... wanting to not wear a mask or wanting a something for free

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Silencing a group by mocking and tagging rather than addressing their issues goes back longer than that. It goes back to the beginning of politics. There have been many applications of this that are far worse than PC, SJWs, Karens and I have not heard of Linda's. McCarthyism in the USA, chhnam saun or Year Zero in Cambodia shows what happens when this gets out of hand.

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Reply #119 posted 10/28/20 4:07am

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IanRG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

it was a thing in the 70s it was just called something else... it is funny how APPLE and GOOGLE stated as a kind of rage against the machine...now they are the machine... PC became SJW

and the right has the same problems with karans and Lindas calling the cops on people or just being a nusence... wanting to not wear a mask or wanting a something for free

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Silencing a group by mocking and tagging rather than addressing their issues goes back longer than that. It goes back to the beginning of politics. There have been many applications of this that are far worse than PC, SJWs, Karens and I have not heard of Linda's. McCarthyism in the USA, chhnam saun or Year Zero in Cambodia shows what happens when this gets out of hand.



and antifa (which is a PRO-facist group) is part of the SJW movement that is trying to take us down that same road... same with elements of other populist movements of late.

we can not dismiss it with a whataboutism card... As I say it it easy to agree when you agree but once a group gets moving it is not going to stop where you think it ought to...

If you do not defended some speech you abhor then you do NOT support free speech.
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