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AMERICA1ST

Would Obama be a shoo-in for Nobel Peace Prize if he accomplished what Trump has in the Middle East?

Trump was nominated for the second time but will never get it even though he actually did something to be nominated. Obama got it for nothing - even he admits that - but he would most certainly be getting it if he brokered the deal that Trump just did in the Middle East. Even some opponents of the Administration have acknowledged the importance of this deal.

Why do you suppose Trump will not receive the award?

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Reply #1 posted 09/16/20 10:19am

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A deal with two terror states?

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #2 posted 09/16/20 2:31pm

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AMERICA1ST said:

Trump was nominated for the second time but will never get it even though he actually did something to be nominated. Obama got it for nothing - even he admits that - but he would most certainly be getting it if he brokered the deal that Trump just did in the Middle East. Even some opponents of the Administration have acknowledged the importance of this deal.

Why do you suppose Trump will not receive the award?

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Trump was nominated by a Right-Wing outsider, and once again it has been a nomination that was a bunch of bull.

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Reply #3 posted 09/16/20 3:10pm

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AMERICA1ST said:

Trump was nominated for the second time but will never get it even though he actually did something to be nominated. Obama got it for nothing - even he admits that - but he would most certainly be getting it if he brokered the deal that Trump just did in the Middle East. Even some opponents of the Administration have acknowledged the importance of this deal.

Why do you suppose Trump will not receive the award?

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Because it does not advance the cause of world peace.

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It merely reflects that the violence and wars in the Middle East have shifted from the Israel / Palestine conflict to the Saudi Arabia / Iran conflict.

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The award is not supposed to be given for possible future outcomes, but for current outcomes. The agreement between Bahrain and Israel is a one pager with no content.

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It has two items: A promise to pursue a vision of peace, security and prosperity by Israel and Bahrain. This is just a promise and one not made by the two states driving the majority of current conflicts in area. The second is just an agreement to establish diplomatic ties - no time line, no details, no indication how this will be different from the current albeit informal diplomatic ties. And for a peace prize, no current acts of war or violence will be stopped because there is no current war between Israel and Bahrain.

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Coincident with this is Bahrain is now expected be able to get their hands on advanced fighter aircraft (F35) that they were barred from getting by the US government. Despite bad relations with Iran since its revolution, Bahrain had been trying to establish diplomatic and trade agreements with Iran but since 2015, Bahrain's connections with Saudi Arabia saw this collapse. In 2016 Bahrain broke off diplomatic ties with Iran following Saudi Arabia breaking its Iranian diplomatic ties - Bahrain did not do it because of an issue between Bahrain and Iran, but in support of Saudi Arabia.

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So you have a no detail, no content deal for a pro Saudi state where Saudi Arabia is a state linked to the USA to at sometime in the future do undisclosed actions together with Israel, another state linked to the USA. These four countries are enemies of Iran. Where is the peace?

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Reply #4 posted 09/16/20 6:00pm

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IanRG said:

AMERICA1ST said:

Trump was nominated for the second time but will never get it even though he actually did something to be nominated. Obama got it for nothing - even he admits that - but he would most certainly be getting it if he brokered the deal that Trump just did in the Middle East. Even some opponents of the Administration have acknowledged the importance of this deal.

Why do you suppose Trump will not receive the award?

[Edited 9/16/20 7:05am]

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Because it does not advance the cause of world peace.

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It merely reflects that the violence and wars in the Middle East have shifted from the Israel / Palestine conflict to the Saudi Arabia / Iran conflict.

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The award is not supposed to be given for possible future outcomes, but for current outcomes. The agreement between Bahrain and Israel is a one pager with no content.

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It has two items: A promise to pursue a vision of peace, security and prosperity by Israel and Bahrain. This is just a promise and one not made by the two states driving the majority of current conflicts in area. The second is just an agreement to establish diplomatic ties - no time line, no details, no indication how this will be different from the current albeit informal diplomatic ties. And for a peace prize, no current acts of war or violence will be stopped because there is no current war between Israel and Bahrain.

.

Coincident with this is Bahrain is now expected be able to get their hands on advanced fighter aircraft (F35) that they were barred from getting by the US government. Despite bad relations with Iran since its revolution, Bahrain had been trying to establish diplomatic and trade agreements with Iran but since 2015, Bahrain's connections with Saudi Arabia saw this collapse. In 2016 Bahrain broke off diplomatic ties with Iran following Saudi Arabia breaking its Iranian diplomatic ties - Bahrain did not do it because of an issue between Bahrain and Iran, but in support of Saudi Arabia.

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So you have a no detail, no content deal for a pro Saudi state where Saudi Arabia is a state linked to the USA to at sometime in the future do undisclosed actions together with Israel, another state linked to the USA. These four countries are enemies of Iran. Where is the peace?

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And it is still more than any American president has ever achieved - including Obama.

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Reply #5 posted 09/16/20 6:52pm

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AMERICA1ST said:

IanRG said:

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Because it does not advance the cause of world peace.

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It merely reflects that the violence and wars in the Middle East have shifted from the Israel / Palestine conflict to the Saudi Arabia / Iran conflict.

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The award is not supposed to be given for possible future outcomes, but for current outcomes. The agreement between Bahrain and Israel is a one pager with no content.

.

It has two items: A promise to pursue a vision of peace, security and prosperity by Israel and Bahrain. This is just a promise and one not made by the two states driving the majority of current conflicts in area. The second is just an agreement to establish diplomatic ties - no time line, no details, no indication how this will be different from the current albeit informal diplomatic ties. And for a peace prize, no current acts of war or violence will be stopped because there is no current war between Israel and Bahrain.

.

Coincident with this is Bahrain is now expected be able to get their hands on advanced fighter aircraft (F35) that they were barred from getting by the US government. Despite bad relations with Iran since its revolution, Bahrain had been trying to establish diplomatic and trade agreements with Iran but since 2015, Bahrain's connections with Saudi Arabia saw this collapse. In 2016 Bahrain broke off diplomatic ties with Iran following Saudi Arabia breaking its Iranian diplomatic ties - Bahrain did not do it because of an issue between Bahrain and Iran, but in support of Saudi Arabia.

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So you have a no detail, no content deal for a pro Saudi state where Saudi Arabia is a state linked to the USA to at sometime in the future do undisclosed actions together with Israel, another state linked to the USA. These four countries are enemies of Iran. Where is the peace?

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And it is still more than any American president has ever achieved - including Obama.

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It simply is not. That is amazing biased spin.

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It is not even the first such agreement - that was with Eqypt. The Israeli agreement with Eqypt was a substantive agreement with a major and violent anti-Israel nation. This was FAR, FAR, FAR more of an acheivement that a non-substantive agreement to later do undisclosed things that may create more formal diplomatic relations with a minor and largely non-violent small gulf nation that had never been directly at war with Israel.

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A decent way to coverup the fact that Demon Orange dismantled Obama's pandemic proticols. One decent thing Barry did. China found the dna of Covid in January. Trump the baboom ignored them, demonizing China instead.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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IanRG said:

AMERICA1ST said:

And it is still more than any American president has ever achieved - including Obama.

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It simply is not. That is amazing biased spin.

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It is not even the first such agreement - that was with Eqypt. The Israeli agreement with Eqypt was a substantive agreement with a major and violent anti-Israel nation. This was FAR, FAR, FAR more of an acheivement that a non-substantive agreement to later do undisclosed things that may create more formal diplomatic relations with a minor and largely non-violent small gulf nation that had never been directly at war with Israel.

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You mean this? smile

In 1978, Prime Minister of Egypt, Anwar Sadat and Menachem Begin, Prime Minister of Israel, signed a peace treaty in cooperation with United States President Jimmy Carter, for which they were recognized with the Nobel Peace Prize.

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That treaty was bullshit as well. To keep Egypt in our sphere of influence. Not to rock the vote, especially in their vicious border controls in Gaza.

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2freaky4church1 said:

A decent way to coverup the fact that Demon Orange dismantled Obama's pandemic protocols. One decent thing Barry did. China found the dna of Covid in January. Trump the baboom ignored them, demonizing China instead.

All true ^ (although Barry did more than one decent thing, IMO)

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He was awful.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Some were more awful.

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AMERICA1ST

If Obama had accomplished the same deal, it would be hailed as a miracle and he woudl still be taking credit for it. It is because Trump did it that some much negativity is spewed against it. This say more about the people who choose to do this than it says about Trump.

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AMERICA1ST said:

If Obama had accomplished the same deal, it would be hailed as a miracle and he woudl still be taking credit for it. It is because Trump did it that some much negativity is spewed against it. This say more about the people who choose to do this than it says about Trump.

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You are free to believe in as many what ifs as you want. The simple fact is you are wrong when you said "And it is still more than any American president has ever achieved".

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The issue should not be whether poor old trump is treated negatively by being denied a Nobel Peace Prize, but why are some people trying so hard for him to get one just because Obama got one.

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Instead of attacking people who don't agree with you, you could address what they said to you. Let's start with an easy one: Is the actual real and long lasting treaty that brought the Israel / Egypt war to a permanent end and established formal diplomatic ties more of an achievement than a single page agreement between two countries not at war with each other to perhaps one day establish more formal diplomatic ties?

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Decided to look up Obama's Nobel prize - made me miss him all the more:

Barack Obama

Obama said he was "surprised" and "deeply humbled" by the award. In remarks given at the White House Rose Garden on the day of the announcement, Obama stated, "I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments but rather an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations."

"Throughout history, the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes," Obama said. "And that is why I will accept this award as a call to action — a call for all nations to confront the common challenges of the 21st century." He said those common challenges included the goal of eliminating nuclear weapons (which he said might not occur in his lifetime), nuclear proliferation, climate change, tolerance "among people of different faiths and races and religions", peace between and security for Israelis and Palestinians, better social conditions for the world's poor, including "the ability to get an education and make a decent living; the security that you won't have to live in fear of disease or violence without hope for the future." The United States, he said, is "a country that's responsible for ending a war and working in another theater to confront a ruthless adversary that directly threatens the American people and our allies."

The award, he said, "must be shared with everyone who strives for justice and dignity — for the young woman who marches silently in the streets on behalf of her right to be heard even in the face of beatings and bullets; for the leader imprisoned in her own home because she refuses to abandon her commitment to democracy [referring to Aung San Suu Kyi]; for the soldier who sacrificed through tour after tour of duty on behalf of someone half a world away; and for all those men and women across the world who sacrifice their safety and their freedom and sometime their lives for the cause of peace." He did not take questions from reporters after giving his statement.

Like the thought of President Jimmy Carter and Lyndon Johnson who awarded him of the Medal of Freedom in 1964, Obama speeches were more times influenced by the Protestant theologian Reinhold Niebuhr. The 2009 Nobel Prize speech recalled a mix of Niebuhr's political realism and moral thinking.


Obama announced early that he would donate the full 10 million Swedish kronor (about US$1.4 million) monetary award to charity.
The largest donations were given to the housing charity Fisher House Foundation who received $250,000, and the Clinton Bush Haiti Fund which received $200,000. Eight organizations which support education also received a donation. $125,000 was donated to the College Summit, the Posse Foundation, the United Negro College Fund, the Hispanic Scholarship Fund, the Appalachian Leadership and Education Foundation, and the American Indian College Fund. $100,000 was donated to Africare, and the Central Asia Institute.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Nobel_Peace_Prize

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DiminutiveRocker said:

Decided to look up Obama's Nobel prize - made me miss him all the more:


Barack Obama


Obama said he was "surprised" and "deeply humbled" by the award. In remarks given at the White House Rose Garden on the day of the announcement, Obama stated, "I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments but rather an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations."


"Throughout history, the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes," Obama said. "And that is why I will accept this award as a call to action — a call for all nations to confront the common challenges of the 21st century." He said those common challenges included the goal of eliminating nuclear weapons (which he said might not occur in his lifetime), nuclear proliferation, climate change, tolerance "among people of different faiths and races and religions", peace between and security for Israelis and Palestinians, better social conditions for the world's poor, including "the ability to get an education and make a decent living; the security that you won't have to live in fear of disease or violence without hope for the future." The United States, he said, is "a country that's responsible for ending a war and working in another theater to confront a ruthless adversary that directly threatens the American people and our allies."


The award, he said, "must be shared with everyone who strives for justice and dignity — for the young woman who marches silently in the streets on behalf of her right to be heard even in the face of beatings and bullets; for the leader imprisoned in her own home because she refuses to abandon her commitment to democracy [referring to Aung San Suu Kyi]; for the soldier who sacrificed through tour after tour of duty on behalf of someone half a world away; and for all those men and women across the world who sacrifice their safety and their freedom and sometime their lives for the cause of peace." He did not take questions from reporters after giving his statement.


Like the thought of President Jimmy Carter and Lyndon Johnson who awarded him of the Medal of Freedom in 1964, Obama speeches were more times influenced by the Protestant theologian Reinhold Niebuhr. The 2009 Nobel Prize speech recalled a mix of Niebuhr's political realism and moral thinking.



Obama announced early that he would donate the full 10 million Swedish kronor (about US$1.4 million) monetary award to charity.
The largest donations were given to the housing charity Fisher House Foundation who received $250,000, and the Clinton Bush Haiti Fund which received $200,000. Eight organizations which support education also received a donation. $125,000 was donated to the College Summit, the Posse Foundation, the United Negro College Fund, the Hispanic Scholarship Fund, the Appalachian Leadership and Education Foundation, and the American Indian College Fund. $100,000 was donated to Africare, and the Central Asia Institute.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Nobel_Peace_Prize



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Clinton Foundation cess pool. Obama was awful.

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2freaky4church1 said:

Clinton Foundation cess pool. Obama was awful.

Who was a good president, in your opinion?

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2freaky4church1 said:

Clinton Foundation cess pool. Obama was awful.

Who was a good president, in your opinion?

Donald J. Trump

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