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QAnon propaganda being mainstreamed

Interesting article here in the (failing) New York Times about "Mothers for QAnon" tackling how what was at one point a fringe conspiracy theory that was mainly treated for laughs is now being increasingly mainstreamed, as seen in the recent Cuties controversy.

Mothers for QAnon

In the testosterone-filled world of Trump-adjacent online conspiracy, the newest theory stands out. Why are so many women falling for Q?



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/opinion/qanon-women-conspiracy.html


I honestly think this is going to end similar to the 80s satanic panic with many well-meaning people getting wrapped up in a witch hunt and innocent people falling victim to hysteria.






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Reply #1 posted 09/14/20 12:16pm

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jaawwnn said:

Interesting article here in the (failing) New York Times about "Mothers for QAnon" tackling how what was at one point a fringe conspiracy theory that was mainly treated for laughs is now being increasingly mainstreamed, as seen in the recent Cuties controversy.

Mothers for QAnon

In the testosterone-filled world of Trump-adjacent online conspiracy, the newest theory stands out. Why are so many women falling for Q?



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/opinion/qanon-women-conspiracy.html


I honestly think this is going to end similar to the 80s satanic panic with many well-meaning people getting wrapped up in a witch hunt and innocent people falling victim to hysteria.






I agree. This group is dangerous. The minute I saw they were voicing their opinion about "Cuties" I knew the controversey was overblown.

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jaawwnn said:

Interesting article here in the (failing) New York Times about "Mothers for QAnon" tackling how what was at one point a fringe conspiracy theory that was mainly treated for laughs is now being increasingly mainstreamed, as seen in the recent Cuties controversy.

Mothers for QAnon

In the testosterone-filled world of Trump-adjacent online conspiracy, the newest theory stands out. Why are so many women falling for Q?



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/opinion/qanon-women-conspiracy.html


I honestly think this is going to end similar to the 80s satanic panic with many well-meaning people getting wrapped up in a witch hunt and innocent people falling victim to hysteria.






Thanks. Interesting articles. Admittedly, the first I even heard of Cuties was when #CancelNetflix was trending and I didn't give it too much notice. I'd forgotten about it until I saw Deebee's review which sort of went against everything I'd read so far. I haven't seen it, and doubt I will to be honest so my POV is kind of moot.

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maplenpg said:

jaawwnn said:

Interesting article here in the (failing) New York Times about "Mothers for QAnon" tackling how what was at one point a fringe conspiracy theory that was mainly treated for laughs is now being increasingly mainstreamed, as seen in the recent Cuties controversy.

Mothers for QAnon

In the testosterone-filled world of Trump-adjacent online conspiracy, the newest theory stands out. Why are so many women falling for Q?



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/opinion/qanon-women-conspiracy.html


I honestly think this is going to end similar to the 80s satanic panic with many well-meaning people getting wrapped up in a witch hunt and innocent people falling victim to hysteria.






Thanks. Interesting articles. Admittedly, the first I even heard of Cuties was when #CancelNetflix was trending and I didn't give it too much notice. I'd forgotten about it until I saw Deebee's review which sort of went against everything I'd read so far. I haven't seen it, and doubt I will to be honest so my POV is kind of moot.

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A trusted friend recommended it to me and Deebee, whom I repsiect, also gave it an intelligent review - I am going to watch it.


The rise of this fringe Q-Anon reminds me of the Tea Party in some ways.

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Reply #4 posted 09/14/20 10:03pm

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maplenpg said:

jaawwnn said:

Interesting article here in the (failing) New York Times about "Mothers for QAnon" tackling how what was at one point a fringe conspiracy theory that was mainly treated for laughs is now being increasingly mainstreamed, as seen in the recent Cuties controversy.

Mothers for QAnon

In the testosterone-filled world of Trump-adjacent online conspiracy, the newest theory stands out. Why are so many women falling for Q?



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/opinion/qanon-women-conspiracy.html


I honestly think this is going to end similar to the 80s satanic panic with many well-meaning people getting wrapped up in a witch hunt and innocent people falling victim to hysteria.






Thanks. Interesting articles. Admittedly, the first I even heard of Cuties was when #CancelNetflix was trending and I didn't give it too much notice. I'd forgotten about it until I saw Deebee's review which sort of went against everything I'd read so far. I haven't seen it, and doubt I will to be honest so my POV is kind of moot.

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I have not seen Cuties and probably will not - but all the reviews I have seen are clear that it is anti the sexualisation of children and not how it presented by QAnon. The QAnon #CancelNetflix is just another case of #CancelCulture era style Puritanism.

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IanRG said:

maplenpg said:

Thanks. Interesting articles. Admittedly, the first I even heard of Cuties was when #CancelNetflix was trending and I didn't give it too much notice. I'd forgotten about it until I saw Deebee's review which sort of went against everything I'd read so far. I haven't seen it, and doubt I will to be honest so my POV is kind of moot.

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I have not seen Cuties and probably will not - but all the reviews I have seen are clear that it is anti the sexualisation of children and not how it presented by QAnon. The QAnon #CancelNetflix is just another case of #CancelCulture era style Puritanism.

They could make that same point with out being provactave.

as to Q Anon: seems some of the this outrage is due to just not likeing their message.

but I do not go to that... Site? But maybe I oughta?

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Reply #6 posted 09/15/20 4:57am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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I have not seen Cuties and probably will not - but all the reviews I have seen are clear that it is anti the sexualisation of children and not how it presented by QAnon. The QAnon #CancelNetflix is just another case of #CancelCulture era style Puritanism.

They could make that same point with out being provactave.

as to Q Anon: seems some of the this outrage is due to just not likeing their message.

but I do not go to that... Site? But maybe I oughta?

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A black Senegalese Muslim woman pointing out a problem in the West? Of course the underlying reason is not liking the message: Is it because they are anti her race, her country, her religion or her gender?

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My question is how many of the QAnon protesters that never watched the movie also never protested about Dance Moms and the sexualisation of children in dance and beauty competitions et al?

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IanRG said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:




IanRG said:



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I have not seen Cuties and probably will not - but all the reviews I have seen are clear that it is anti the sexualisation of children and not how it presented by QAnon. The QAnon #CancelNetflix is just another case of #CancelCulture era style Puritanism.




They could make that same point with out being provactave.

as to Q Anon: seems some of the this outrage is due to just not likeing their message.

but I do not go to that... Site? But maybe I oughta?



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A black Senegalese Muslim woman pointing out a problem in the West? Of course the underlying reason is not liking the message: Is it because they are anti her race, her country, her religion or her gender?


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My question is how many of the QAnon protesters that never watched the movie also never protested about Dance Moms and the sexualisation of children in dance and beauty competitions et al?



I always thought those shows and girl's gymnastics were exploitve. You said you have not seen it. But the fact is they could make the same point without some of the footage.
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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A black Senegalese Muslim woman pointing out a problem in the West? Of course the underlying reason is not liking the message: Is it because they are anti her race, her country, her religion or her gender?

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My question is how many of the QAnon protesters that never watched the movie also never protested about Dance Moms and the sexualisation of children in dance and beauty competitions et al?

I always thought those shows and girl's gymnastics were exploitve. You said you have not seen it. But the fact is they could make the same point without some of the footage.

I'm going to trust Deebee's opinion, who has seen it. From his response in GD:


"I can't help but feel that if content creators have to preempt the malign responses of paedophiles and remove anything that could be made use of in that way, it's a little like the rapist's 'short skirt' argument, in that it helps shift blame that should be squarely on the wrongdoer onto one deemed responsible for being 'provocative'. I certainly didn't feel that there was anything that was there to invite that response, anyway, or to titillate under the guise of mere depiction."

On which note I'm going to withdraw from this discussion. I haven't watched the film, I have no interest in QAnon, nor was I aware this was where the 'outrage' started. In truth I don't have anything more to offer to this thread.

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Reply #9 posted 09/15/20 5:43am

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maplenpg said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said: I always thought those shows and girl's gymnastics were exploitve. You said you have not seen it. But the fact is they could make the same point without some of the footage.

I'm going to trust Deebee's opinion, who has seen it. From his response in GD:


"I can't help but feel that if content creators have to preempt the malign responses of paedophiles and remove anything that could be made use of in that way, it's a little like the rapist's 'short skirt' argument, in that it helps shift blame that should be squarely on the wrongdoer onto one deemed responsible for being 'provocative'. I certainly didn't feel that there was anything that was there to invite that response, anyway, or to titillate under the guise of mere depiction."

On which note I'm going to withdraw from this discussion. I haven't watched the film, I have no interest in QAnon, nor was I aware this was where the 'outrage' started. In truth I don't have anything more to offer to this thread.

I dont want this to be a thread about Cuties only, but the Mothers for Qanon article is very interesting and a sign, imho, of something much wider than just the usual storms in a teacup during election season.

It's happening over here as well, these so-called "anti-maskers" accuse anyone who disagrees with the of being part of a paedophile conspiracy, and their numbers are growing. I'm concerned.


At the heart of QAnon lies an undeniably frightening ethos that demands harsh punishment, even execution, for its ever-growing list of political enemies.

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The right is mum.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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The right needs to grow a pair.

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Our side has Russiagate.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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jaawwnn said:

maplenpg said:

I'm going to trust Deebee's opinion, who has seen it. From his response in GD:


"I can't help but feel that if content creators have to preempt the malign responses of paedophiles and remove anything that could be made use of in that way, it's a little like the rapist's 'short skirt' argument, in that it helps shift blame that should be squarely on the wrongdoer onto one deemed responsible for being 'provocative'. I certainly didn't feel that there was anything that was there to invite that response, anyway, or to titillate under the guise of mere depiction."

On which note I'm going to withdraw from this discussion. I haven't watched the film, I have no interest in QAnon, nor was I aware this was where the 'outrage' started. In truth I don't have anything more to offer to this thread.

I dont want this to be a thread about Cuties only, but the Mothers for Qanon article is very interesting and a sign, imho, of something much wider than just the usual storms in a teacup during election season.

It's happening over here as well, these so-called "anti-maskers" accuse anyone who disagrees with the of being part of a paedophile conspiracy, and their numbers are growing. I'm concerned.


At the heart of QAnon lies an undeniably frightening ethos that demands harsh punishment, even execution, for its ever-growing list of political enemies.

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How wide spread do you believe this is? Is it just getting widespread attention because it is so ridiculous and outrageous?

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DiminutiveRocker said:

jaawwnn said:

I dont want this to be a thread about Cuties only, but the Mothers for Qanon article is very interesting and a sign, imho, of something much wider than just the usual storms in a teacup during election season.

It's happening over here as well, these so-called "anti-maskers" accuse anyone who disagrees with the of being part of a paedophile conspiracy, and their numbers are growing. I'm concerned.


At the heart of QAnon lies an undeniably frightening ethos that demands harsh punishment, even execution, for its ever-growing list of political enemies.

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How wide spread do you believe this is? Is it just getting widespread attention because it is so ridiculous and outrageous?

Of course it's always hard to tell but i'd say quite widespread, still relatively fringe but getting way more traction than it has any right to do. Months of people stuck at home with nothing to do but browse the internet isn't helping.

It could well fizzle out into nothing, and I hope it does, but honestly i'd say be vigilant of people you know getting wrapped up in it.

I want to be able to laugh it off. Hopefully i'm getting worked up over nothing.

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jaawwnn said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


How wide spread do you believe this is? Is it just getting widespread attention because it is so ridiculous and outrageous?

Of course it's always hard to tell but i'd say quite widespread, still relatively fringe but getting way more traction than it has any right to do. Months of people stuck at home with nothing to do but browse the internet isn't helping.

It could well fizzle out into nothing, and I hope it does, but honestly i'd say be vigilant of people you know getting wrapped up in it.

I want to be able to laugh it off. Hopefully i'm getting worked up over nothing.

I am really hoping you are right about the fizzle, but I still do not believe these fringe groups hold a majority of the public. It is scary, however, when one of them gets elected and what that says about the district who overwhelmingly voted them in. neutral

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Reply #16 posted 09/15/20 1:21pm

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jaawwnn said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


How wide spread do you believe this is? Is it just getting widespread attention because it is so ridiculous and outrageous?

Of course it's always hard to tell but i'd say quite widespread, still relatively fringe but getting way more traction than it has any right to do. Months of people stuck at home with nothing to do but browse the internet isn't helping.

It could well fizzle out into nothing, and I hope it does, but honestly i'd say be vigilant of people you know getting wrapped up in it.

I want to be able to laugh it off. Hopefully i'm getting worked up over nothing.

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It follows a trend that started long before Covid19. You mentioned anti-maskers, this follows anti-vaxers. The US has a president who grew his base on the birthers.

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It may be at a peak due to the election and Covid19, it may change its name and its focus but I don't think it will fizzle.

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IanRG said:

jaawwnn said:

Of course it's always hard to tell but i'd say quite widespread, still relatively fringe but getting way more traction than it has any right to do. Months of people stuck at home with nothing to do but browse the internet isn't helping.

It could well fizzle out into nothing, and I hope it does, but honestly i'd say be vigilant of people you know getting wrapped up in it.

I want to be able to laugh it off. Hopefully i'm getting worked up over nothing.

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It follows a trend that started long before Covid19. You mentioned anti-maskers, this follows anti-vaxers. The US has a president who grew his base on the birthers.

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It may be at a peak due to the election and Covid19, it may change its name and its focus but I don't think it will fizzle.

But if the beliefs are in and of themselves baseless and that can be irrefutably proven, how long can it be sustained?

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Reply #18 posted 09/15/20 1:40pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

IanRG said:

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It follows a trend that started long before Covid19. You mentioned anti-maskers, this follows anti-vaxers. The US has a president who grew his base on the birthers.

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It may be at a peak due to the election and Covid19, it may change its name and its focus but I don't think it will fizzle.

But if the beliefs are in and of themselves baseless and that can be irrefutably proven, how long can it be sustained?

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Ask the anti-vaxers.

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Also, each individual belief does not need to be sustained, they just will just move to the next QAnon inspired trending social media issue. Like Anonymous, it is self sustaining due to its lack of structure - it relies on people re-tweeting, sharing, forwarding etc. normally comments like "this is interesting". Each of their CancelCulture successes will inspire them moving to the next issue - Even if it is just an apology from Netflix for a movie poster.

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In Australia we have Pete Evans - the people that forward his conspiracy theories also forward Pauline Hanson (Far right Senator from One Nation) posts with comments like "I don't agree with everything she says but ..."

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IanRG said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

But if the beliefs are in and of themselves baseless and that can be irrefutably proven, how long can it be sustained?

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Ask the anti-vaxers.

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Also, each individual belief does not need to be sustained, they just will just move to the next QAnon inspired trending social media issue. Like Anonymous, it is self sustaining due to its lack of structure - it relies on people re-tweeting, sharing, forwarding etc. normally comments like "this is interesting". Each of their CancelCulture successes will inspire them moving to the next issue - Even if it is just an apology from Netflix for a movie poster.

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In Australia we have Pete Evans - the people that forward his conspiracy theories also forward Pauline Hanson (Far right Senator from One Nation) posts with comments like "I don't agree with everything she says but ..."

Great points. The age of social media has produced some equally good and bad elements.

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