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Lies, More Lies and Breaking International Law (a BJ thread)

So many people coming out of the woodwork to say that Boris Johnson is wrong to break international law (albeit in a specific and limited way). Let's start with every living British Prime Minister. Every single one, from all parties. (link). So why on earth does BJ still bluster forward insisting he is right?

For my overseas friends who may not be aware, BJ won the election on the promise he had an oven-ready Brexit deal (link). It was signed by both sides and allegedly was ready to go. However the deal that for months he described as 'excellent' is now apparently no good at all and needs to be ripped up, which may mean we get no deal at all.

There are so many people that have spoken out against breaking international law, I could not possibly list them all, and yet over 300 Conservative MP's are expected to vote in favour of the government breaking the law. This at a time when BJ is actively calling for us minions to obey the law when it come to covid rules.

He lies, he breaks laws and supports his mates when they break laws, he gets rid of those that disagree with him and he's dished out hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayer money to his mates during this crisis. How can he ask us to obey the law whilst breaking it himself? How can he condemn countries for not obeying international law when he himself is breaking it? How does he sleep at night?


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Reply #1 posted 09/14/20 7:51am

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Been watching this with some interest. My theory is that it's just too complicated an issue for anyone to care about, no one really knows that much about International Law. If the tabloids/talk radio were against him maybe it could be whipped up into something but the base line on this (correct me if i#m wrong) would be that if he's breaking any law it'd only be in British interests and therefore a good thing. Might makes right on the international stage.

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Reply #2 posted 09/14/20 8:33am

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Every one of our Presidents is a war criminal. Nobody cares.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #3 posted 09/14/20 8:35am

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jaawwnn said:

Been watching this with some interest. My theory is that it's just too complicated an issue for anyone to care about, no one really knows that much about International Law. If the tabloids/talk radio were against him maybe it could be whipped up into something but the base line on this (correct me if i#m wrong) would be that if he's breaking any law it'd only be in British interests and therefore a good thing. Might makes right on the international stage.

Every former prime minister cares enough to speak out. One MP so far has resigned over it. Anyway, he's about to defend it in parliament so... I'll be back.

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Reply #4 posted 09/14/20 8:44am

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maplenpg said:

jaawwnn said:

Been watching this with some interest. My theory is that it's just too complicated an issue for anyone to care about, no one really knows that much about International Law. If the tabloids/talk radio were against him maybe it could be whipped up into something but the base line on this (correct me if i#m wrong) would be that if he's breaking any law it'd only be in British interests and therefore a good thing. Might makes right on the international stage.

Every former prime minister cares enough to speak out. One MP so far has resigned over it. Anyway, he's about to defend it in parliament so... I'll be back.

Tony Blair launched an illegal war againt Iraq and has never been punished. I'm not defending BJ, everything you say is true, i'm saying that international law doesn't apply, and never has applied, to powerful countries.

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jaawwnn said:

maplenpg said:

Every former prime minister cares enough to speak out. One MP so far has resigned over it. Anyway, he's about to defend it in parliament so... I'll be back.

Tony Blair launched an illegal war againt Iraq and has never been punished. I'm not defending BJ, everything you say is true, i'm saying that international law doesn't apply, and never has applied, to powerful countries.

Can't disagree re Blair. I mean, look I was never a fan of any of the past Prime Ministers, but threatening to break international law as leverage cannot be right, and it certainly shouldn't be argued that a deal he signed, that he said was excellent, that he said was oven-ready, is now so bad that we have to break the law to rectify it.

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Reply #6 posted 09/14/20 9:49am

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P.S Ed Miliband, who is standing in for Keir Starmer...wow, he tore a strip off BJ. I never liked him, but boy he's done a great job today.

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maplenpg said:

jaawwnn said:

Tony Blair launched an illegal war againt Iraq and has never been punished. I'm not defending BJ, everything you say is true, i'm saying that international law doesn't apply, and never has applied, to powerful countries.

Can't disagree re Blair. I mean, look I was never a fan of any of the past Prime Ministers, but threatening to break international law as leverage cannot be right, and it certainly shouldn't be argued that a deal he signed, that he said was excellent, that he said was oven-ready, is now so bad that we have to break the law to rectify it.

I agree smile

but convince his followers!

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Reply #9 posted 09/14/20 11:55am

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jaawwnn said:

maplenpg said:

Can't disagree re Blair. I mean, look I was never a fan of any of the past Prime Ministers, but threatening to break international law as leverage cannot be right, and it certainly shouldn't be argued that a deal he signed, that he said was excellent, that he said was oven-ready, is now so bad that we have to break the law to rectify it.

I agree smile

but convince his followers!

It'll get voted through regardless of what his lovers or haters think I'm sure.

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Reply #10 posted 09/14/20 2:30pm

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Six hours of my life I'll never get back.

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