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TonyVanDam

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Let The Year 2020 A.D./C.E. Be Your Last Battlefield!

My inspiration came from rewatching one of my all-time favorite Star Trek TOS episode entitled "Lets This Be Your Last Battlefield".

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Racism, classism, & political idealogies were the themes of that episode. But the real major theme of LTBYLB was actually the consequences of hatred.

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But never mind the science fictional Star Trek Universe; Just look around us on the planet Earth as it is now in our current reality.

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If we, as human beings [since all human life is suppose to matter], do not learn to put aside petty differences, learn to "agree to disagree", stop falling prey to "divide and conquer" tactics all the time, do the right thing [whatever that is...] because it is the right thing to do for all people on the Earth regardless of opinions, use logic more often, and just STOP HATING, then the entire world will be destory.

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The five deadly -isms [classism, racism, colorism, sexism, & agism] must be done away with once and for all. But that will NEVER happen unless, in a controversial move on all of our parts, we are willing and able to do away with World Religions & World Politics!

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And for the record, I am NOT "woke". I am "awaken". Big difference.

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And at the age 46 [at the time that I am typing this...], I have finally figured it out.

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Politics & Religions are not AND were never the solution. Both of those topics are the problem & THE main source of our hatred.

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Let the year 2020 be your/our last battlefield.

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This is Anthony AKA TonyVanDam and it is time for me to Letitgo.

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Reply #1 posted 09/11/20 8:18am

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OFF-TOPIC: Although I will still be around prince.org on a part time basis, THIS thread will be my final appearance in P&R.

BACK ON-TOPIC: I stand by everything I said AND still saying in my opening post. Let us stay on topic with the best of our abilities please. Thank you in advance.

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EDIT: After giving this more thought, I have decided that that I will not give up on threads in P&R. 2Freaky was/is right, I should not give up too easily. But expect my choice of topics to be a lot different from what I had in years past.

[Edited 9/12/20 4:09am]

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Reply #2 posted 09/11/20 8:33am

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Tony don't wimp out

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #3 posted 09/11/20 9:44am

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First you have to get rid of the systems from
which those -isms were birth from. Staying silent about them, just gives birth to more. That’s why many are speaking out against those -isms because not enough has been done to eradicate them, that’s exactly why it has reached a ‘boiling point.‘

It’s the cause of divide and conquer. Anyway good luck on your journey. peace
Always smile in the face of adversity. smile
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Reply #4 posted 09/11/20 9:47am

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2Elijah, you support the system.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #5 posted 09/11/20 9:49am

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2freaky4church1 said:

2Elijah, you support the system.


You don’t know what I support so stop trying to speak for me just to stir crap.
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Reply #6 posted 09/11/20 10:47am

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2elijah said:

First you have to get rid of the systems from which those -isms were birth from. Staying silent about them, just gives birth to more. That’s why many are speaking out against those -isms because not enough has been done to eradicate them, that’s exactly why it has reached a ‘boiling point.‘ It’s the cause of divide and conquer. Anyway good luck on your journey. peace



Yes, the isms are systemic and those CAN be changed as Tony stated if the ones controlling the systems are willing.

I believe that ultimatley greed has prevented the change. Greed for money and power and materialistic desires. And that greed exists in politics, religions, governments and buisness.






[Edited 9/11/20 10:48am]

VOTE....EARLY
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Reply #7 posted 09/11/20 12:44pm

Empress

John Lennon said it best with "Imagine".

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Reply #8 posted 09/11/20 4:01pm

IanRG

TonyVanDam said:

My inspiration came from rewatching one of my all-time favorite Star Trek TOS episode entitled "Lets This Be Your Last Battlefield".

.

Racism, classism, & political idealogies were the themes of that episode. But the real major theme of LTBYLB was actually the consequences of hatred.

.

But never mind the science fictional Star Trek Universe; Just look around us on the planet Earth as it is now in our current reality.

.

If we, as human beings [since all human life is suppose to matter], do not learn to put aside petty differences, learn to "agree to disagree", stop falling prey to "divide and conquer" tactics all the time, do the right thing [whatever that is...] because it is the right thing to do for all people on the Earth regardless of opinions, use logic more often, and just STOP HATING, then the entire world will be destory.

.

The five deadly -isms [classism, racism, colorism, sexism, & agism] must be done away with once and for all. But that will NEVER happen unless, in a controversial move on all of our parts, we are willing and able to do away with World Religions & World Politics!

.

And for the record, I am NOT "woke". I am "awaken". Big difference.

.

And at the age 46 [at the time that I am typing this...], I have finally figured it out.

.

Politics & Religions are not AND were never the solution. Both of those topics are the problem & THE main source of our hatred.

.

Let the year 2020 be your/our last battlefield.

.

This is Anthony AKA TonyVanDam and it is time for me to Letitgo.

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Anthony, please do not take this is as personal attack because this is not what I am doing. This is an analysis of where I believe the above is a reflection of the problem and not the solution.

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So why?

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The issue is not properly identified. Sure, the adverse effects of the five isms you identify must be done away with. Even this is a step back from an idealistic assertion. There are many other isms that impact on people, these are just 5 of the biggest. The list misses out on discrimination against people with different sexual orientations, non-binary gender identities, with mental or physical disabilities, use a different hand, are a different height, have conflicting personality traits (eg introverts vs extroverts). Add to this people from different locations: country vs city, towns, countiesm regions, states, nations, international alliances and in the future on world and off world. And on and on I could go. The issue is every time people seek to assert that what the others do must be stopped and done away with, the bad effects of that ism grows.

.

The problem with the OP is the assumption that P&R is the source of the problem and just getting rid of this will solve the problem. This is not a new thought (see the song Imagine and this song was not an orginal thought) and it is not controversial: It is idealistic and impossible - not because it hard but because it is mistargeted. The root cause of the problem is people not P&R and not any of the isms or institutions - these are outcomes of the problem. It is as a direct result of people's fears and greed - the eternal struggle between the needs of few or the one and the needs of the many. It basically comes down to people's emotional needs and responses and how to make sure these are positive. This does not mean thinking we can all become loving people more concerned with needs and feelings of others and eliminating all hate. This is a dead end street. It means using our emotions better - As an example: hate what we are going through world wide with the pandemic - but use this to focus on eliminating the problems it is causing and how to stop the next one.

.

Politics is unemotional, it is just used emotionally. It not immoral or moral: it is just used morally or immorally. It is not hateful or loving - it can just be used hatefully or lovingly. It is not greedy or altruistic. Politics is not an answer: It is set of choices, options and processes, few of which are clear because you are dealing with complexities and things that are unknown or unknowable. Politics is just a tool and it exists everywhere: hence the generalisation that you will have 2 or more factions when ever you have more than 24 people in a group - It is what those groups do that is right or wrong, not that theres will be politics in it being done.

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Reply #9 posted 09/11/20 6:56pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Tony don't wimp out

I am not wimping out per se, I am moving on. Certain arguments are no long worth having.

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Reply #10 posted 09/11/20 6:57pm

TonyVanDam

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2elijah said:

First you have to get rid of the systems from which those -isms were birth from. Staying silent about them, just gives birth to more. That’s why many are speaking out against those -isms because not enough has been done to eradicate them, that’s exactly why it has reached a ‘boiling point.‘ It’s the cause of divide and conquer. Anyway good luck on your journey. peace

Yes! nod

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Reply #11 posted 09/11/20 7:01pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

2elijah said:

First you have to get rid of the systems from which those -isms were birth from. Staying silent about them, just gives birth to more. That’s why many are speaking out against those -isms because not enough has been done to eradicate them, that’s exactly why it has reached a ‘boiling point.‘ It’s the cause of divide and conquer. Anyway good luck on your journey. peace



Yes, the isms are systemic and those CAN be changed as Tony stated if the ones controlling the systems are willing.

I believe that ultimatley greed has prevented the change. Greed for money and power and materialistic desires. And that greed exists in politics, religions, governments and buisness.






[Edited 9/11/20 10:48am]

It sadden me to say this, but the corporate establishment that controls the pawns within the Republican AND Democratic Party [dis]respectfully will not allow the positive change to happen. sad

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Reply #12 posted 09/11/20 7:02pm

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Empress said:

John Lennon said it best with "Imagine".

Yes! nod

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Reply #13 posted 09/11/20 7:10pm

TonyVanDam

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IanRG said:

TonyVanDam said:

My inspiration came from rewatching one of my all-time favorite Star Trek TOS episode entitled "Lets This Be Your Last Battlefield".

.

Racism, classism, & political idealogies were the themes of that episode. But the real major theme of LTBYLB was actually the consequences of hatred.

.

But never mind the science fictional Star Trek Universe; Just look around us on the planet Earth as it is now in our current reality.

.

If we, as human beings [since all human life is suppose to matter], do not learn to put aside petty differences, learn to "agree to disagree", stop falling prey to "divide and conquer" tactics all the time, do the right thing [whatever that is...] because it is the right thing to do for all people on the Earth regardless of opinions, use logic more often, and just STOP HATING, then the entire world will be destory.

.

The five deadly -isms [classism, racism, colorism, sexism, & agism] must be done away with once and for all. But that will NEVER happen unless, in a controversial move on all of our parts, we are willing and able to do away with World Religions & World Politics!

.

And for the record, I am NOT "woke". I am "awaken". Big difference.

.

And at the age 46 [at the time that I am typing this...], I have finally figured it out.

.

Politics & Religions are not AND were never the solution. Both of those topics are the problem & THE main source of our hatred.

.

Let the year 2020 be your/our last battlefield.

.

This is Anthony AKA TonyVanDam and it is time for me to Letitgo.

.

Anthony, please do not take this is as personal attack because this is not what I am doing. This is an analysis of where I believe the above is a reflection of the problem and not the solution.

.

So why?

.

The issue is not properly identified. Sure, the adverse effects of the five isms you identify must be done away with. Even this is a step back from an idealistic assertion. There are many other isms that impact on people, these are just 5 of the biggest. The list misses out on discrimination against people with different sexual orientations, non-binary gender identities, with mental or physical disabilities, use a different hand, are a different height, have conflicting personality traits (eg introverts vs extroverts). Add to this people from different locations: country vs city, towns, countiesm regions, states, nations, international alliances and in the future on world and off world. And on and on I could go. The issue is every time people seek to assert that what the others do must be stopped and done away with, the bad effects of that ism grows.

.

The problem with the OP is the assumption that P&R is the source of the problem and just getting rid of this will solve the problem. This is not a new thought (see the song Imagine and this song was not an orginal thought) and it is not controversial: It is idealistic and impossible - not because it hard but because it is mistargeted. The root cause of the problem is people not P&R and not any of the isms or institutions - these are outcomes of the problem. It is as a direct result of people's fears and greed - the eternal struggle between the needs of few or the one and the needs of the many. It basically comes down to people's emotional needs and responses and how to make sure these are positive. This does not mean thinking we can all become loving people more concerned with needs and feelings of others and eliminating all hate. This is a dead end street. It means using our emotions better - As an example: hate what we are going through world wide with the pandemic - but use this to focus on eliminating the problems it is causing and how to stop the next one.

.

Politics is unemotional, it is just used emotionally. It not immoral or moral: it is just used morally or immorally. It is not hateful or loving - it can just be used hatefully or lovingly. It is not greedy or altruistic. Politics is not an answer: It is set of choices, options and processes, few of which are clear because you are dealing with complexities and things that are unknown or unknowable. Politics is just a tool and it exists everywhere: hence the generalisation that you will have 2 or more factions when ever you have more than 24 people in a group - It is what those groups do that is right or wrong, not that theres will be politics in it being done.

I will keep that in mind. Thanks. smile

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Reply #14 posted 09/12/20 3:17am

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TonyVanDam said:



2elijah said:


First you have to get rid of the systems from which those -isms were birth from. Staying silent about them, just gives birth to more. That’s why many are speaking out against those -isms because not enough has been done to eradicate them, that’s exactly why it has reached a ‘boiling point.‘ It’s the cause of divide and conquer. Anyway good luck on your journey. peace


Yes! nod


nod See, we get it. smile
Always smile in the face of adversity. smile
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Reply #15 posted 09/12/20 3:20am

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TonyVanDam said:



DiminutiveRocker said:




2elijah said:


First you have to get rid of the systems from which those -isms were birth from. Staying silent about them, just gives birth to more. That’s why many are speaking out against those -isms because not enough has been done to eradicate them, that’s exactly why it has reached a ‘boiling point.‘ It’s the cause of divide and conquer. Anyway good luck on your journey. peace



Yes, the isms are systemic and those CAN be changed as Tony stated if the ones controlling the systems are willing.

I believe that ultimatley greed has prevented the change. Greed for money and power and materialistic desires. And that greed exists in politics, religions, governments and buisness.







[Edited 9/11/20 10:48am]




It sadden me to say this, but the corporate establishment that controls the pawns within the Republican AND Democratic Party [dis]respectfully will not allow the positive change to happen. sad


Yep, the ‘elites’ won’t.
Always smile in the face of adversity. smile
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Reply #16 posted 09/13/20 11:38am

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2elijah said:

TonyVanDam said:

It sadden me to say this, but the corporate establishment that controls the pawns within the Republican AND Democratic Party [dis]respectfully will not allow the positive change to happen. sad

Yep, the ‘elites’ won’t.



We need elites with a conscience neutral

VOTE....EARLY
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Reply #17 posted 09/14/20 2:15pm

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sigh Think I'll just go into hiberbation for the rest of the year...

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