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The REAL threat in America today

This is the REAL threat in America these days... Not the star of "Are We There Yet" or the host of "Wild n' Out", or a CUNY Professor in 1991,,,and certainly not the alleged Commies in Black Lives Matter. This is where a lot of violence and hate crimes are eminating from...This could be your next door neighbor...or your pizza delivery guy

Exclusive: Leader Of Dylann Roof-Worshipping Neo-Nazi Group Exposed

Andrew Richard Casarez is a 27-year-old pizza delivery driver and the leading voice in a confederation of neo-Nazis, HuffPost has confirmed.


A prominent white supremacist who encourages acts of domestic terror and who once claimed to have influenced the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter is a 27-year-old restaurant worker in California, a new HuffPost investigation has confirmed.

For years, a man using the pseudonym “Vic Mackey” has been the leading voice in a confederation of neo-Nazis called the “Bowl Patrol,” a reference to white supremacist murderer Dylann Roof’s “bowl cut” hairstyle.

In podcasts, videos and social media posts reviewed by HuffPost, Mackey has called on his followers — including nearly 1,000 on Telegram — to commit hate crimes, threatened activists and journalists with rape and violence and celebrated white nationalist massacres — in Christchurch, New Zealand; El Paso, Texas; Poway, California, and elsewhere — all while keeping his real identity secret.

Though it’s hard to know the exact number of people Mackey has influenced, the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League see him as a leader in this network of extremists, some of whom have been arrested in connection with threats or plans of real-world violence in Roof’s name.

His unmasking comes at a time when there has been a growing threat of violent right-wing extremism in the United States. A recent report from the Center For Strategic and ...al Studies found that from 1994 to 2020, there were nearly 900 terrorist attacks and plots in the country, nearly 60% of which were carried out by right-wing extremists. In 2019, domestic extremists killed at least 42 people in the United States, making 2019 the sixth-deadliest year on record for domestic extremist-related killings since 1970, according to a February report put out by the ADL Center on Extremism.

With the white supremacist rhe...nald Trump and his Fox News bullhorn, the growing economic instability caused by the coronavirus pandemic and the heightened political tensions surrounding this year’s presidential election, violent extremism is expected to grow, according to CSIS.


https://www.huffpost.com/...8e6822947d" target="_blank">https://www.huffpost.com/...8e6822947d

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Reply #1 posted 07/24/20 2:20pm

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This is the REAL threat in America these days... Not the star of "Are We There Yet" or the host of "Wild n' Out", or a CUNY Professor in 1991,,,and certainly not the alleged Commies in Black Lives Matter. This is where a lot of violence and hate crimes are eminating from...This could be your next door neighbor...or your pizza delivery guy

Exclusive: Leader Of Dylann Roof-Worshipping Neo-Nazi Group Exposed

Andrew Richard Casarez is a 27-year-old pizza delivery driver and the leading voice in a confederation of neo-Nazis, HuffPost has confirmed.


A prominent white supremacist who encourages acts of domestic terror and who once claimed to have influenced the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter is a 27-year-old restaurant worker in California, a new HuffPost investigation has confirmed.

For years, a man using the pseudonym “Vic Mackey” has been the leading voice in a confederation of neo-Nazis called the “Bowl Patrol,” a reference to white supremacist murderer Dylann Roof’s “bowl cut” hairstyle.

In podcasts, videos and social media posts reviewed by HuffPost, Mackey has called on his followers — including nearly 1,000 on Telegram — to commit hate crimes, threatened activists and journalists with rape and violence and celebrated white nationalist massacres — in Christchurch, New Zealand; El Paso, Texas; Poway, California, and elsewhere — all while keeping his real identity secret.

Though it’s hard to know the exact number of people Mackey has influenced, the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League see him as a leader in this network of extremists, some of whom have been arrested in connection with threats or plans of real-world violence in Roof’s name.

His unmasking comes at a time when there has been a growing threat of violent right-wing extremism in the United States. A recent report from the Center For Strategic and ...al Studies found that from 1994 to 2020, there were nearly 900 terrorist attacks and plots in the country, nearly 60% of which were carried out by right-wing extremists. In 2019, domestic extremists killed at least 42 people in the United States, making 2019 the sixth-deadliest year on record for domestic extremist-related killings since 1970, according to a February report put out by the ADL Center on Extremism.

With the white supremacist rhe...nald Trump and his Fox News bullhorn, the growing economic instability caused by the coronavirus pandemic and the heightened political tensions surrounding this year’s presidential election, violent extremism is expected to grow, according to CSIS.


https://www.huffpost.com/...8e6822947d" target="_blank">https://www.huffpost.com/...8e6822947d

27 years old, what a monster. This is definitely what I'm more concerned about.

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Yep, but some people close their eyes on purpose, to that kind of truth, yet the racist ideology of that kind of hate group is exactly behind what created America’s system of racism, and its documented domestic terrorism.
I expect more hate groups will expose themselves, because they’re in fear of the changes happening around the country, with the inspiration of BLM, and other protesters who are just tired of the racial injustices in this country.
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Wonder if that guy worked at the pizza place that made this pizza lol

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2elijah said:

Yep, but some people close their eyes on purpose, to that kind of truth, yet the racist ideology of that kind of hate group is exactly behind what created America’s system of racism, and its documented domestic terrorism. I expect more hate groups will expose themselves, because they’re in fear of the changes happening around the country, with the inspiration of BLM, and other protesters who are just tired of the racial injustices in this country. [Edited 7/24/20 15:09pm]


That, or they will expose themselves by making light of racism, white nationalism, white supremacy and minimize it as if it is fiction and not based on truth.



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2elijah said:


Yep, but some people close their eyes on purpose, to that kind of truth, yet the racist ideology of that kind of hate group is exactly behind what created America’s system of racism, and its documented domestic terrorism. I expect more hate groups will expose themselves, because they’re in fear of the changes happening around the country, with the inspiration of BLM, and other protesters who are just tired of the racial injustices in this country. [Edited 7/24/20 15:09pm]


That, or they will expose themselves by making light of racism, white nationalism, white supremacy and minimize it as if it is fiction and not based on truth.




If they’re too busy trying to paint BLM as a terrorist organization like trump and FOX, yet give white nationalists/kkk groups/nazi supporters/white supremacy ideology a pass, and the latter has its foot in the destruction of many lives in this country over the years.

What’s interesting is that there are loads of written documents from the past, that support that this country was built by using white supremacy ideology to maintain power and control. Not to mention how the blind-leading-the-blind today, can’t see how slavery/discrimination laws (written historic documents), and the fact that at the time the Declaration of Independence 1776,and the Constitution 1787, were signed, slavery still existed. How ignorant does one have to be to not know this? If ‘All Lives Mattered’ then they would have freed the enslaved when both documents were signed, but this country’s economy was so ‘dependent’ on Black enslavement (Aka first welfare system) that they still kept Blacks enslaved when those documents were signed.

And to add fuel to the fire, even after the civil war to WWII, they had Manufacturers, the prison system, sheriff’s depts/police depts/corporations/farmers, etc. in bed with one another, with new ways of enslaving Blacks in the form of a new slavery system—called a cheap labor force.

Evidence? Read Douglas Blackmon’s book- ‘Slavery By Another Name: The Re-Enslavement of Black Americans from the Civil War to World War II ‘

No one should be asking or criticizing why many Blacks, marched/march against racial injustices, over the years to present day, to expose racism for what it is or ask why they protest against it, unless you walked/walk in their shoes, because America’s history speaks for itself regarding that issue.
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jjhunsecker said:

This is the REAL threat in America these days... Not the star of "Are We There Yet" or the host of "Wild n' Out", or a CUNY Professor in 1991,,,and certainly not the alleged Commies in Black Lives Matter. This is where a lot of violence and hate crimes are eminating from...This could be your next door neighbor...or your pizza delivery guy

Exclusive: Leader Of Dylann Roof-Worshipping Neo-Nazi Group Exposed

Andrew Richard Casarez is a 27-year-old pizza delivery driver and the leading voice in a confederation of neo-Nazis, HuffPost has confirmed.


A prominent white supremacist who encourages acts of domestic terror and who once claimed to have influenced the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter is a 27-year-old restaurant worker in California, a new HuffPost investigation has confirmed.

For years, a man using the pseudonym “Vic Mackey” has been the leading voice in a confederation of neo-Nazis called the “Bowl Patrol,” a reference to white supremacist murderer Dylann Roof’s “bowl cut” hairstyle.

In podcasts, videos and social media posts reviewed by HuffPost, Mackey has called on his followers — including nearly 1,000 on Telegram — to commit hate crimes, threatened activists and journalists with rape and violence and celebrated white nationalist massacres — in Christchurch, New Zealand; El Paso, Texas; Poway, California, and elsewhere — all while keeping his real identity secret.

Though it’s hard to know the exact number of people Mackey has influenced, the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League see him as a leader in this network of extremists, some of whom have been arrested in connection with threats or plans of real-world violence in Roof’s name.

His unmasking comes at a time when there has been a growing threat of violent right-wing extremism in the United States. A recent report from the Center For Strategic and ...al Studies found that from 1994 to 2020, there were nearly 900 terrorist attacks and plots in the country, nearly 60% of which were carried out by right-wing extremists. In 2019, domestic extremists killed at least 42 people in the United States, making 2019 the sixth-deadliest year on record for domestic extremist-related killings since 1970, according to a February report put out by the ADL Center on Extremism.

With the white supremacist rhe...nald Trump and his Fox News bullhorn, the growing economic instability caused by the coronavirus pandemic and the heightened political tensions surrounding this year’s presidential election, violent extremism is expected to grow, according to CSIS.


https://www.huffpost.com/...8e6822947d" target="_blank">https://www.huffpost.com/...8e6822947d

I did some very light digging about this group. Let's just say I wish I hadn't. No way would I post any links to any of that shit. Turned my stomach.

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2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


That, or they will expose themselves by making light of racism, white nationalism, white supremacy and minimize it as if it is fiction and not based on truth.



If they’re too busy trying to paint BLM as a terrorist organization like trump and FOX, yet give white nationalists/kkk groups/nazi supporters/white supremacy ideology a pass, and the latter has its foot in the destruction of many lives in this country over the years. What’s interesting is that there are loads of written documents from the past, that support that this country was built by using white supremacy ideology to maintain power and control. Not to mention how the blind-leading-the-blind today, can’t see how slavery/discrimination laws (written historic documents), and the fact that at the time the Declaration of Independence 1776,and the Constitution 1787, were signed, slavery still existed. How ignorant does one have to be to not know this? If ‘All Lives Mattered’ then they would have freed the enslaved when both documents were signed, but this country’s economy was so ‘dependent’ on Black enslavement (Aka first welfare system) that they still kept Blacks enslaved when those documents were signed. And to add fuel to the fire, even after the civil war to WWII, they had Manufacturers, the prison system, sheriff’s depts/police depts/corporations/farmers, etc. in bed with one another, with new ways of enslaving Blacks in the form of a new slavery system—called a cheap labor force. Evidence? Read Douglas Blackmon’s book- ‘Slavery By Another Name: The Re-Enslavement of Black Americans from the Civil War to World War II ‘ No one should be asking or criticizing why many Blacks, marched/march against racial injustices, over the years to present day, to expose racism for what it is or ask why they protest against it, unless you walked/walk in their shoes, because America’s history speaks for itself regarding that issue. [Edited 7/25/20 5:09am]

(re the bold) Yup. And there's also lots of written document from the present, I have been reading about the institutional racism that takes place in the courtroom (in this report entitled 'Whitewashing the Jury Box' (link to summary - link to full report in summary). Black jurors were excluded from jury service because "they had dreadlocks, were slouching, wore a short skirt and “blinged out” sandals, visited family members who were incarcerated, or had negative experiences with law enforcement."




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Reply #8 posted 07/25/20 7:46am

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2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said: If they’re too busy trying to paint BLM as a terrorist organization like trump and FOX, yet give white nationalists/kkk groups/nazi supporters/white supremacy ideology a pass, and the latter has its foot in the destruction of many lives in this country over the years. What’s interesting is that there are loads of written documents from the past, that support that this country was built by using white supremacy ideology to maintain power and control. Not to mention how the blind-leading-the-blind today, can’t see how slavery/discrimination laws (written historic documents), and the fact that at the time the Declaration of Independence 1776,and the Constitution 1787, were signed, slavery still existed. How ignorant does one have to be to not know this? If ‘All Lives Mattered’ then they would have freed the enslaved when both documents were signed, but this country’s economy was so ‘dependent’ on Black enslavement (Aka first welfare system) that they still kept Blacks enslaved when those documents were signed. And to add fuel to the fire, even after the civil war to WWII, they had Manufacturers, the prison system, sheriff’s depts/police depts/corporations/farmers, etc. in bed with one another, with new ways of enslaving Blacks in the form of a new slavery system—called a cheap labor force. Evidence? Read Douglas Blackmon’s book- ‘Slavery By Another Name: The Re-Enslavement of Black Americans from the Civil War to World War II ‘ No one should be asking or criticizing why many Blacks, marched/march against racial injustices, over the years to present day, to expose racism for what it is or ask why they protest against it, unless you walked/walk in their shoes, because America’s history speaks for itself regarding that issue. [Edited 7/25/20 5:09am]


(re the bold) Yup. And there's also lots of written document from the present, I have been reading about the institutional racism that takes place in the courtroom (in this report entitled 'Whitewashing the Jury Box' (link to summary - link to full report in summary). Black jurors were excluded from jury service because "they had dreadlocks, were slouching, wore a short skirt and “blinged out” sandals, visited family members who were incarcerated, or had negative experiences with law enforcement."

or happened to be breathing...(sarcasm)

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maplenpg said:



2elijah said:


DiminutiveRocker said:



That, or they will expose themselves by making light of racism, white nationalism, white supremacy and minimize it as if it is fiction and not based on truth.




Yay
If they’re too busy trying to paint BLM as a terrorist organization like trump and FOX, yet give white nationalists/kkk groups/nazi supporters/white supremacy ideology a pass, and the latter has its foot in the destruction of many lives in this country over the years. What’s interesting is that there are loads of written documents from the past, that support that this country was built by using white supremacy ideology to maintain power and control. Not to mention how the blind-leading-the-blind today, can’t see how slavery/discrimination laws (written historic documents), and the fact that at the time the Declaration of Independence 1776,and the Constitution 1787, were signed, slavery still existed. How ignorant does one have to be to not know this? If ‘All Lives Mattered’ then they would have freed the enslaved when both documents were signed, but this country’s economy was so ‘dependent’ on Black enslavement (Aka first welfare system) that they still kept Blacks enslaved when those documents were signed. And to add fuel to the fire, even after the civil war to WWII, they had Manufacturers, the prison system, sheriff’s depts/police depts/corporations/farmers, etc. in bed with one another, with new ways of enslaving Blacks in the form of a new slavery system—called a cheap labor force. Evidence? Read Douglas Blackmon’s book- ‘Slavery By Another Name: The Re-Enslavement of Black Americans from the Civil War to World War II ‘ No one should be asking or criticizing why many Blacks, marched/march against racial injustices, over the years to present day, to expose racism for what it is or ask why they protest against it, unless you walked/walk in their shoes, because America’s history speaks for itself regarding that issue. [Edited 7/25/20 5:09am]

(re the bold) Yup. An p. Ukuuud there's also lots of written document from the present, I have been reading about the institutional racism that takes place in the courtroom (in this report entitled 'Whitewashing the Jury Box' (link to summary - link to full report in summary). Black jurors were excluded from jury service because "they had dreadlocks, were slouching, wore a short skirt and “blinged out” sandals, visited family members who were incarcerated, or had negative experiences with law enforcement."





Unbelievable but not surprised. The same inequality happens with sentencing guidelines. I used to work for a Corrections agency in a particular state, and I learned by experience the criteria that is set, when arranging a sentencing. There’s a set of guidelines with a scoring system that determines the length of a person’s sentence. They go by if you’re married vs single; employed vs unemployed;education-the higher education the more points scored vs high school dropout/no college education; and the list goes on. Guess who gets the longer sentences? The ones who don’t meet a certain score, according to the criteria, even though the same crime is committed, by two different individuals. Unfortunately, many of the ones given longer sentences are persons of color.

The system is extremely biased. There’s so much bias, within America’s institutions, and much of it can be blamed on white supremacy ideology being at the forefront.

Sometimes you have to go inside the depths of the forest to see the trees. So-to-speak.
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2elijah said:

maplenpg said:

(re the bold) Yup. An p. Ukuuud there's also lots of written document from the present, I have been reading about the institutional racism that takes place in the courtroom (in this report entitled 'Whitewashing the Jury Box' (link to summary - link to full report in summary). Black jurors were excluded from jury service because "they had dreadlocks, were slouching, wore a short skirt and “blinged out” sandals, visited family members who were incarcerated, or had negative experiences with law enforcement."




Unbelievable but not surprised. The same inequality happens with sentencing guidelines. I used to work for a Corrections agency in a particular state, and I learned by experience the criteria that is set, when arranging a sentencing. There’s a set of guidelines with a scoring system that determines the length of a person’s sentence. They go by if you’re married vs single; employed vs unemployed;education-the higher education the more points scored vs high school dropout/no college education; and the list goes on. Guess who gets the longer sentences? The ones who don’t meet a certain score, according to the criteria, even though the same crime is committed, by two different individuals. Unfortunately, many of the ones given longer sentences are persons of color. The system is extremely biased. There’s so much bias, within America’s institutions, and much of it can be blamed on white supremacy ideology being at the forefront. Sometimes you have to go inside the depths of the forest to see the trees. So-to-speak. [Edited 7/25/20 10:28am]

Thanks 2E, I didn't know that about sentencing. It would be good to think that the law was above racial discrimination, but it seems it is not.

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So this article was posted today. It clearly states who is the United States biggest threat. Certainly not BLM.

https://www.theguardian.c...t-analysis

VIOLENCE BY FAR RIGHT IS AMONG US’s MOST DANGEROUS TERRORIST THREATS, STUDY FINDS

Center for Strategic and International Studies analysis of domestic terrorist incidents found majority have come from far right
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Violence by far-right groups and individuals has emerged as one of the most dangerous terrorist threats faced by US law enforcement and triggered a wave of warnings and arrests of people associated with those extremist movements.
The most recent in-depth analysis of far-right terrorism comes from the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS).


How the US military has failed to address white supremacy in its ranks.

In a report released last week, the Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States, CSIS analyzes 25 years of domestic terrorism incidents and finds that the majority of attacks and plots have come from the far right.

The report says “the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of rightwing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years”, with the far right launching two-thirds of attacks and plots in 2019, and 90% of those in 2020.


The report adds: “Far-right terrorism has significantly outpaced terrorism from other types of perpetrators.” The second most significant source of attacks and plots in the US has been “religious extremists”, almost all “Salafi jihadists inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaida”.
The report shows the far left has been an increasingly negligible source of attacks since the mid 2000s. At that time the FBI defined arsons and other forms of property damage as domestic terrorism during a period some have called the “Green Scare”.

The CSIS study came during a new wave of terror attacks and plots from white supremacist and anti-government extremists.


Last Monday, the Department of Justice announced that it had brought an array of charges, including terrorism related offenses, against a US army soldier who subscribed to a mix of white supremacist and satanist beliefs which are characteristic of so-called “accelerationist” neo-nazis like Atomwaffen Division.

Last week, federal charges were brought on Steven Carillo for the murder of a federal security officer and a sheriff’s deputy. Like the three men arrested for an alleged terror plot in Nevada earlier this month, the FBI says Carillo identified with the extreme anti-government “boogaloo” movement, which is principally concerned with removing government regulation of firearms.

But critics question the timing and motivations of the intelligence community’s pivot to combatting rightwing extremism as it comes at a time when some are arguing the legal and institutional counterterrorism apparatus developed to combat overseas terror groups should now be adapted to domestic extremists.”
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2elijah said:


maplenpg said:


(re the bold) Yup. An p. Ukuuud there's also lots of written document from the present, I have been reading about the institutional racism that takes place in the courtroom (in this report entitled 'Whitewashing the Jury Box' (link to summary - link to full report in summary). Black jurors were excluded from jury service because "they had dreadlocks, were slouching, wore a short skirt and “blinged out” sandals, visited family members who were incarcerated, or had negative experiences with law enforcement."






Unbelievable but not surprised. The same inequality happens with sentencing guidelines. I used to work for a Corrections agency in a particular state, and I learned by experience the criteria that is set, when arranging a sentencing. There’s a set of guidelines with a scoring system that determines the length of a person’s sentence. They go by if you’re married vs single; employed vs unemployed;education-the higher education the more points scored vs high school dropout/no college education; and the list goes on. Guess who gets the longer sentences? The ones who don’t meet a certain score, according to the criteria, even though the same crime is committed, by two different individuals. Unfortunately, many of the ones given longer sentences are persons of color. The system is extremely biased. There’s so much bias, within America’s institutions, and much of it can be blamed on white supremacy ideology being at the forefront. Sometimes you have to go inside the depths of the forest to see the trees. So-to-speak. [Edited 7/25/20 10:28am]

Thanks 2E, I didn't know that about sentencing. It would be good to think that the law was above racial discrimination, but it seems it is not.


It actually has never been above racial discrimination. Douglas Blackmon’s book ‘Slavery By Another Name’ could be a testament to that.
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Thanks 2E, I didn't know that about sentencing. It would be good to think that the law was above racial discrimination, but it seems it is not.

It actually has never been above racial discrimination. Douglas Blackmon’s book ‘Slavery By Another Name’ could be a testament to that.

Thanks, I'll check it out.

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Note that there are those who go on and on about the “dangers “ of Black Lives Matter, yet have nothing to say about this...
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Note that there are those who go on and on about the “dangers “ of Black Lives Matter, yet have nothing to say about this...


nod telling, isn't it?

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jjhunsecker said:


Note that there are those who go on and on about the “dangers “ of Black Lives Matter, yet have nothing to say about this...


nod telling, isn't it?


Responding to you and JJ:

Yep, It’s pretty much the same thing trump and FOX, and other right wingers are doing to BLM. They fear the power of BLM inspiring people to think outside the box, and question their government and elected officials.

They fear the inspiration that BLM is giving to protesters, and to even those who may not even be supporters of BLM. They don’t like to see a massive, diverse group of Americans marching in unity against the injustices in this country. So I’m not surprised that folks like trump, rightwingers and the like, will try their best to paint BLM as a militant, terrorist group, just like some in the past did to the Black Panthers, and others in the past, who raised their voices to expose America’s system of racism.
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2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:



jjhunsecker said:


Note that there are those who go on and on about the “dangers “ of Black Lives Matter, yet have nothing to say about this...


nod telling, isn't it?


Responding to you and JJ:

Yep, It’s pretty much the same thing trump and FOX, and other right wingers are doing to BLM. They fear the power of BLM inspiring people to think outside the box, and question their government and elected officials.

They fear the inspiration that BLM is giving to protesters, and to even those who may not even be supporters of BLM. They don’t like to see a massive, diverse group of Americans marching in unity against the injustices in this country. So I’m not surprised that folks like trump, rightwingers and the like, will try their best to paint BLM as a militant, terrorist group, just like some in the past did to the Black Panthers, and others in the past, who raised their voices to expose America’s system of racism.


So true. And especially this absurd attempt to make BLM into some sort of Communist hate group that is goading gullible Black people into violence and destruction and into an equivalent to the Klan and Nazis
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Responding to you and JJ: Yep, It’s pretty much the same thing trump and FOX, and other right wingers are doing to BLM. They fear the power of BLM inspiring people to think outside the box, and question their government and elected officials. They fear the inspiration that BLM is giving to protesters, and to even those who may not even be supporters of BLM. They don’t like to see a massive, diverse group of Americans marching in unity against the injustices in this country. So I’m not surprised that folks like trump, rightwingers and the like, will try their best to paint BLM as a militant, terrorist group, just like some in the past did to the Black Panthers, and others in the past, who raised their voices to expose America’s system of racism.
So true. And especially this absurd attempt to make BLM into some sort of Communist hate group that is goading gullible Black people into violence and destruction and into an equivalent to the Klan and Nazis


Thus far, all that BLM has done is inspire protests in response to police brutality of people of color.



Now let's compare that with the Nazis, the Klan, Skinheads and various other white supremacist groups.

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jjhunsecker said:


2elijah said:
Responding to you and JJ: Yep, It’s pretty much the same thing trump and FOX, and other right wingers are doing to BLM. They fear the power of BLM inspiring people to think outside the box, and question their government and elected officials. They fear the inspiration that BLM is giving to protesters, and to even those who may not even be supporters of BLM. They don’t like to see a massive, diverse group of Americans marching in unity against the injustices in this country. So I’m not surprised that folks like trump, rightwingers and the like, will try their best to paint BLM as a militant, terrorist group, just like some in the past did to the Black Panthers, and others in the past, who raised their voices to expose America’s system of racism.

So true. And especially this absurd attempt to make BLM into some sort of Communist hate group that is goading gullible Black people into violence and destruction and into an equivalent to the Klan and Nazis


Thus far, all that BLM has done is inspire protests in response to police brutality of people of color.



Now let's compare that with the Nazis, the Klan, Skinheads and various other white supremacist groups.]


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2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


Thus far, all that BLM has done is inspire protests in response to police brutality of people of color.



Now let's compare that with the Nazis, the Klan, Skinheads and various other white supremacist groups.]

The real threat to America.

The group that JJ originally posted about (bowl patrol) has 'promoted' those that have committed mass murder to 'sainthood'. For example, there are numerous posts about 'St Roof' and 'St Bowers'. What is scary is how many of their members have been charged with intent to copycat Roof and commit murder. These White supremacists are dangerous and what troubles me most is that when they commit their crimes, they often get described in the press as 'lone wolves'.

To try and compare them to the BLM cause, or protesters, is insanity of the highest order. Whatever anyone thinks about BLM as a cause, they are not guilty of promoting killing or rape and encouraging others to join the 'sainthood'. It's so far removed from these hatred-filled pieces of shit that I can't believe we're even discussing it. It's totally incredible that the President chooses to call the protestors 'thugs' and the supremacists 'fine people'.

It does, yet again, bring in a wider question of what should and shouldn't be allowed on the internet under the title of 'free speech'. Personally I'd like the shit these White Supremacists are posting taken down. It is hate speech, and it's only a matter of time before the next mass shooting takes place.

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maplenpg said:



2elijah said:


DiminutiveRocker said:



Thus far, all that BLM has done is inspire protests in response to police brutality of people of color.



Now let's compare that with the Nazis, the Klan, Skinheads and various other white supremacist groups.]



The real threat to America.

The group that JJ originally posted about (bowl patrol) has 'promoted' those that have committed mass murder to 'sainthood'. For example, there are numerous posts about 'St Roof' and 'St Bowers'. What is scary is how many of their members have been charged with intent to copycat Roof and commit murder. These White supremacists are dangerous and what troubles me most is that when they commit their crimes, they often get described in the press as 'lone wolves'.

To try and compare them to the BLM cause, or protesters, is insanity of the highest order. Whatever anyone thinks about BLM as a cause, they are not guilty of promoting killing or rape and encouraging others to join the 'sainthood'. It's so far removed from these hatred-filled pieces of shit that I can't believe we're even discussing it. It's totally incredible that the President chooses to call the protestors 'thugs' and the supremacists 'fine people'.

It does, yet again, bring in a wider question of what should and shouldn't be allowed on the internet under the title of 'free speech'. Personally I'd like the shit these White Supremacists are posting taken down. It is hate speech, and it's only a matter of time before the next mass shooting takes place.



Wow. I’m shocked at what you’re telling me about them. Insane. I see why the FBI said last year that White supremacist groups are the biggest threat to America. Those are the ones trump should be sending his secret police to get. It seems he is somehow giving these groups the ok. It seems the reason he’s trying to silence the protesters is because he sees them as a threat, to taking down or exposing his white supremacy cause. It’s no wonder he embraces them. It’s like he’s following the racist philosophy of that 1861 document, that racist ‘Stephens’ wrote, to conserve white supremacy ideology. That’s why he and many right wingers, are trying desperately to degrade BLM, because of the worldwide movement, so-to-speak it has become. They were able to reach millions, and put the spotlight on America’s dirty secrets, and this influenced others globally to expose similar injustices, and they banded together in unity. Trump snd rightwingers hate seeing that.

So it doesn’t surprise me, that there are a lot of right wing wackos, all over social media, trying to degrade BLM and other protesters. I know there has been infiltrators, some from White supremacist groups, injecting themselves among the peaceful protesters, to make them look bad. I remember one of the guys in
CHOP interviewed, and said some guys from White supremacist groups, would show us late at night, jump out of their cars and shoot into the crowd, but rightwing media, tried to say it was the protesters.

I’m glad authorities are checking into these new hate groups, because I’m pretty sure many of them will still try to interrupt the peaceful protesters on purpose, so the blame of any trouble will be blamed on the peaceful protesters. With trump. trying to send in his goons, will only make people want to come out and protest more. This country is in such a damn mess since trump has been in office. The thing is, more people are bolder than before and not afraid to protest against these nazi groups.

Even now new non-White groups have formed that are arming themselves against right wing militia, nazi groups, in case they interfere with protesting, and not afraid to face them in protests. People are tired of these nazi hate groups showing up armed, and they get a pass.
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Reply #22 posted 07/26/20 9:47am

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2elijah said:

maplenpg said:

The group that JJ originally posted about (bowl patrol) has 'promoted' those that have committed mass murder to 'sainthood'. For example, there are numerous posts about 'St Roof' and 'St Bowers'. What is scary is how many of their members have been charged with intent to copycat Roof and commit murder. These White supremacists are dangerous and what troubles me most is that when they commit their crimes, they often get described in the press as 'lone wolves'.

To try and compare them to the BLM cause, or protesters, is insanity of the highest order. Whatever anyone thinks about BLM as a cause, they are not guilty of promoting killing or rape and encouraging others to join the 'sainthood'. It's so far removed from these hatred-filled pieces of shit that I can't believe we're even discussing it. It's totally incredible that the President chooses to call the protestors 'thugs' and the supremacists 'fine people'.

It does, yet again, bring in a wider question of what should and shouldn't be allowed on the internet under the title of 'free speech'. Personally I'd like the shit these White Supremacists are posting taken down. It is hate speech, and it's only a matter of time before the next mass shooting takes place.

Wow. I’m shocked at what you’re telling me about them. Insane. I see why the FBI said last year that White supremacist groups are the biggest threat to America. Those are the ones trump should be sending his secret police to get. It seems he is somehow giving these groups the ok. It seems the reason he’s trying to silence the protesters is because he sees them as a threat, to taking down or exposing his white supremacy cause. It’s no wonder he embraces them. It’s like he’s following the racist philosophy of that 1861 document, that racist ‘Stephens’ wrote, to conserve white supremacy ideology. That’s why he and many right wingers, are trying desperately to degrade BLM, because of the worldwide movement, so-to-speak it has become. They were able to reach millions, and put the spotlight on America’s dirty secrets, and this influenced others globally to expose similar injustices, and they banded together in unity. Trump snd rightwingers hate seeing that. So it doesn’t surprise me, that there are a lot of right wing wackos, all over social media, trying to degrade BLM and other protesters. I know there has been infiltrators, some from White supremacist groups, injecting themselves among the peaceful protesters, to make them look bad. I remember one of the guys in CHOP interviewed, and said some guys from White supremacist groups, would show us late at night, jump out of their cars and shoot into the crowd, but rightwing media, tried to say it was the protesters. I’m glad authorities are checking into these new hate groups, because I’m pretty sure many of them will still try to interrupt the peaceful protesters on purpose, so the blame of any trouble will be blamed on the peaceful protesters. With trump. trying to send in his goons, will only make people want to come out and protest more. This country is in such a damn mess since trump has been in office. The thing is, more people are bolder than before and not afraid to protest against these nazi groups. Even now new non-White groups have formed that are arming themselves against right wing militia, nazi groups, in case they interfere with protesting, and not afraid to face them in protests. People are tired of these nazi hate groups showing up armed, and they get a pass. [Edited 7/26/20 7:28am]

eek wow @maple

Correct on all of that ^^^

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Reply #23 posted 07/26/20 10:01am

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DiminutiveRocker said:



2elijah said:


maplenpg said:


The group that JJ originally posted about (bowl patrol) has 'promoted' those that have committed mass murder to 'sainthood'. For example, there are numerous posts about 'St Roof' and 'St Bowers'. What is scary is how many of their members have been charged with intent to copycat Roof and commit murder. These White supremacists are dangerous and what troubles me most is that when they commit their crimes, they often get described in the press as 'lone wolves'.

To try and compare them to the BLM cause, or protesters, is insanity of the highest order. Whatever anyone thinks about BLM as a cause, they are not guilty of promoting killing or rape and encouraging others to join the 'sainthood'. It's so far removed from these hatred-filled pieces of shit that I can't believe we're even discussing it. It's totally incredible that the President chooses to call the protestors 'thugs' and the supremacists 'fine people'.

It does, yet again, bring in a wider question of what should and shouldn't be allowed on the internet under the title of 'free speech'. Personally I'd like the shit these White Supremacists are posting taken down. It is hate speech, and it's only a matter of time before the next mass shooting takes place.



Wow. I’m shocked at what you’re telling me about them. Insane. I see why the FBI said last year that White supremacist groups are the biggest threat to America. Those are the ones trump should be sending his secret police to get. It seems he is somehow giving these groups the ok. It seems the reason he’s trying to silence the protesters is because he sees them as a threat, to taking down or exposing his white supremacy cause. It’s no wonder he embraces them. It’s like he’s following the racist philosophy of that 1861 document, that racist ‘Stephens’ wrote, to conserve white supremacy ideology. That’s why he and many right wingers, are trying desperately to degrade BLM, because of the worldwide movement, so-to-speak it has become. They were able to reach millions, and put the spotlight on America’s dirty secrets, and this influenced others globally to expose similar injustices, and they banded together in unity. Trump snd rightwingers hate seeing that. So it doesn’t surprise me, that there are a lot of right wing wackos, all over social media, trying to degrade BLM and other protesters. I know there has been infiltrators, some from White supremacist groups, injecting themselves among the peaceful protesters, to make them look bad. I remember one of the guys in CHOP interviewed, and said some guys from White supremacist groups, would show us late at night, jump out of their cars and shoot into the crowd, but rightwing media, tried to say it was the protesters. I’m glad authorities are checking into these new hate groups, because I’m pretty sure many of them will still try to interrupt the peaceful protesters on purpose, so the blame of any trouble will be blamed on the peaceful protesters. With trump. trying to send in his goons, will only make people want to come out and protest more. This country is in such a damn mess since trump has been in office. The thing is, more people are bolder than before and not afraid to protest against these nazi groups. Even now new non-White groups have formed that are arming themselves against right wing militia, nazi groups, in case they interfere with protesting, and not afraid to face them in protests. People are tired of these nazi hate groups showing up armed, and they get a pass. [Edited 7/26/20 7:28am]

eek wow @maple



Correct on all of that ^^^



Yep those white supremacist groups still a dangerous threat to America, even after all their years of terrorizing Black and Jewish communities.
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2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

eek wow @maple

Correct on all of that ^^^

Yep those white supremacist groups still a dangerous threat to America, even all their years of terrorizing Black and Jewish communities.

And I am sure they are loving all the anti-BLM propaganda.

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2elijah said:


DiminutiveRocker said:


eek wow @maple



Correct on all of that ^^^



Yep those white supremacist groups still a dangerous threat to America, even all their years of terrorizing Black and Jewish communities.


And I am sure they are loving all the anti-BLM propaganda.


Oh yeah, it fits their agenda, and the attention off of them.
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Look what I found; I’ll just post a section of it that is similar to the articles JJ and maplenpg posted. Similar to what I also mentioned in my previous posts, about members of white supremacist groups, infiltrating the peaceful protests, before I came across this article.

https://docs.house.gov/me...-SD019.pdf

Far-Right Infiltrators and Agitators in George Floyd Protests: Indicators of White Supremacists

By Mia Bloom

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Right-wing extremists and accelerationists


”The demographics of a largely white, young, and destructive group fit more with a movement known as accelerationists than Black Lives Matter.

The accelerationists, if you have never heard the term, are an extreme subset of white nationalism whose goal is to bring about chaos and destruction. The basic tenet of accelerationism argues that since Western governments are inherently corrupt, the best (and only) thing supremacists can do is to accelerate the end of society by sowing chaos and aggravating political tensions. “Accelerationist ideas have been cited in mass shooters’ manifestos — explicitly, in the case of the New Zealand killer — and are frequently referenced in white supremacist web forums and chat rooms,” Zack Beauchamp explained.

“White Supremacists pretending to host a protest to honor Floyd George on Facebook to whip up violence in San Diego were posted on the BLMSD social media warning people not to go and that it was a white supremacist organized rally. People attending demonstrations remarked on the fact that the demographics were wrong, in places like Oakland where the majority of the destruction was perpetrated by young Caucasian men has inspired not just people on social media but reporting in the mainstream media to properly question whether this is a form of infiltration by outside extremist elements.”

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“A report by Vice News about right-wing infiltrators in the protests notes “hardcore ‘accelerationists’ ... are encouraging their neo-Nazi followers to go to the protests and carry out acts of violence against black people.”


Accelerationists follow the blueprint laid out by neo-Nazi James Mason in The Siege (not the film with Denzel Washington) whose writing inspires Charles Manson types of killing sprees. Mason, living in obscurity in Denver until he was brought out of retirement by Atomwaffen, a right wing Neo Nazi group. The goal of accelerationism is to burn everything down and to use violence both to target enemies and instigate an overt and extreme response from the government.
Their strategy echoes Gustavo Gorriti’s writings about the Shining Path terrorist group that the movement’s “goal was to provoke blind, excessive reactions from the state... Blows laid on indiscriminately would also provoke among those unjustly or disproportionately affected an intense resentment of the government.”


Similarly accelerationists hope to “demolish the state apparatus that stands between them and a white-dominated future.” And the White Supremacists here could be of a different orientation too – organized to discredit the protestors with no clear or deliberate vision for greater political change in mind.

Bellingcat has documented the involvement in the protests of a largely white, and far-right movement called the Boogaloo, whose leaders “expect, even hope, that the warmer weather will bring armed confrontations with law enforcement, and will build momentum towards a new civil war in the United States.” “As protests over the death of George Floyd heated up in Minneapolis on May 26th, members of Boogaloo groups across Facebook considered it a call to arms,” wrote Bellingcat’s Robert Evans.”
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Wonder if that guy worked at the pizza place that made this pizza lol

Nazi's are hilarious. I just love white supremacists, they make me smile. p.s., the BLM circle jerk thread must be missing you, now be a good boy and scurry back over there.....

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This is the REAL threat in America these days... Not the star of "Are We There Yet" or the host of "Wild n' Out", or a CUNY Professor in 1991,,,and certainly not the alleged Commies in Black Lives Matter. This is where a lot of violence and hate crimes are eminating from...This could be your next door neighbor...or your pizza delivery guy




Exclusive: Leader Of Dylann Roof-Worshipping Neo-Nazi Group Exposed


Andrew Richard Casarez is a 27-year-old pizza delivery driver and the leading voice in a confederation of neo-Nazis, HuffPost has confirmed.





A prominent white supremacist who encourages acts of domestic terror and who once claimed to have influenced the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter is a 27-year-old restaurant worker in California, a new HuffPost investigation has confirmed.




For years, a man using the pseudonym “Vic Mackey” has been the leading voice in a confederation of neo-Nazis called the “Bowl Patrol,” a reference to white supremacist murderer Dylann Roof’s “bowl cut” hairstyle.




In podcasts, videos and social media posts reviewed by HuffPost, Mackey has called on his followers — including nearly 1,000 on Telegram — to commit hate crimes, threatened activists and journalists with rape and violence and celebrated white nationalist massacres — in Christchurch, New Zealand; El Paso, Texas; Poway, California, and elsewhere — all while keeping his real identity secret.




Though it’s hard to know the exact number of people Mackey has influenced, the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League see him as a leader in this network of extremists, some of whom have been arrested in connection with threats or plans of real-world violence in Roof’s name.







His unmasking comes at a time when there has been a growing threat of violent right-wing extremism in the United States. A recent report from the Center For Strategic and ...al Studies found that from 1994 to 2020, there were nearly 900 terrorist attacks and plots in the country, nearly 60% of which were carried out by right-wing extremists. In 2019, domestic extremists killed at least 42 people in the United States, making 2019 the sixth-deadliest year on record for domestic extremist-related killings since 1970, according to a February report put out by the ADL Center on Extremism.




With the white supremacist rhe...nald Trump and his Fox News bullhorn, the growing economic instability caused by the coronavirus pandemic and the heightened political tensions surrounding this year’s presidential election, violent extremism is expected to grow, according to CSIS.







https://www.huffpost.com/...8e6822947d" target="_blank">https://www.huffpost.com/...8e6822947d



27 years old, what a monster. This is definitely what I'm more concerned about.


Interesting what drives crazies like that to harbor that kind of extreme hatred. disbelief
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27 years old, what a monster. This is definitely what I'm more concerned about.

Interesting what derives crazies like that to harbor that kind of extreme hatred. disbelief

Worst thing is, he's not even white! He's half Mexican.

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