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Thread started 07/20/20 9:02pm

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armed federal agents in U.S. cities

Hold on... where's the thread about t---- unleashing armed federal agents on Portland protestors???? It's gotta be here some where but I can't find it, so here goes.

I'm tired and shamelessly posting without any of my fantastic dissection this long(~ a half hour) analysis by Robert Reich, economist, professor, author and political commentator who served in the administrations of Presidents Ford, Carter and Clinton, etc. etc. [wikipedia]

https://www.facebook.com/...9776365893

which I came across while reading some of the comments under this article titled 'T---- threatens to deploy federal agents to Chicago and other U.S. cities led by Democrats':

https://www.washingtonpos...Fstory-ans

The analysis provided in the first link clarifies the strategy behind the dastardly deeds described in the second. The basic gist is just more of the usual tactics from t----, i.e. distract from some undesirable issue (the coronavirus debacle) by suppressing information and creating a new issue to occupy us over here! over here!, that being a law and order crisis in U.S. cities. All this while violating the Constitution, yet again.

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Reply #1 posted 07/20/20 10:06pm

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scary stuff...

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Reply #2 posted 07/20/20 10:22pm

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We've mentioned Portland and Chicago on various threads - thanks for starting a thread for this topic because this sounds like it's going to keep going. The potus has a list of "liberal mayors" that he wants to punish in the guise of going in and taking control. However, states have police, and national guardsmen and do not need nor want the federal government to charge in with these unidentified government police to muscle people around and snatch them off the streets.

Can't people see how scary and wrong this is? This is what's done in governments run by dictators, not in the US of America.

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Reply #3 posted 07/21/20 3:21am

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Yes the guy is losing his mind. He’s ignoring a pandemic, and treating it like it doesn’t exist. The state of the country is a mess and people are getting tired of the nonsense he is pulling. Using those feds to invade cities, as a deflection from his failure to handle the pandemic, says it all. The country is in an economic mess, and he’s not doing anything to make things better.
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Reply #4 posted 07/21/20 3:37am

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We've mentioned Portland and Chicago on various threads - thanks for starting a thread for this topic because this sounds like it's going to keep going. The potus has a list of "liberal mayors" that he wants to punish in the guise of going in and taking control. However, states have police, and national guardsmen and do not need nor want the federal government to charge in with these unidentified government police to muscle people around and snatch them off the streets.

Can't people see how scary and wrong this is? This is what's done in governments run by dictators, not in the US of America.


Exactly.
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Reply #5 posted 07/21/20 4:37am

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Yep, it's some BS for sure.

Why are they in unmarked, not in uniform, won't identify themselves BS garb?


How can Trump solely order this, without any vote from our lawmakers? And why can't they stop him or won't stop him?


Sending them to Democrat controlled cities.


Arghh.

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Reply #6 posted 07/21/20 5:01am

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Yep, it's some BS for sure.


Why are they in unmarked, not in uniform, won't identify themselves BS garb?



How can Trump solely order this, without any vote from our lawmakers? And why can't they stop him or won't stop him?



Sending them to Democrat controlled cities.



Arghh.


He thinks the position as president makes him the all powerful with no accountability. That’s why he has to be voted out. He’s a deranged man obsessed with ‘control’ issues.

Now if a protester gets killed by one of those men, then that person’s blood will be on Trump’s hands. How do you send a fleet of masked men, not in any uniform, in unmarked cars to attack protesters, who have a right to protest? He just seems to do whatever he wants without accountability.
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Reply #7 posted 07/21/20 7:01am

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Hold on... where's the thread about t---- unleashing armed federal agents on Portland protestors???? It's gotta be here some where but I can't find it, so here goes.

I'm tired and shamelessly posting without any of my fantastic dissection this long(~ a half hour) analysis by Robert Reich, economist, professor, author and political commentator who served in the administrations of Presidents Ford, Carter and Clinton, etc. etc. [wikipedia]

https://www.facebook.com/...9776365893

which I came across while reading some of the comments under this article titled 'T---- threatens to deploy federal agents to Chicago and other U.S. cities led by Democrats':

https://www.washingtonpos...Fstory-ans

The analysis provided in the first link clarifies the strategy behind the dastardly deeds described in the second. The basic gist is just more of the usual tactics from t----, i.e. distract from some undesirable issue (the coronavirus debacle) by suppressing information and creating a new issue to occupy us over here! over here!, that being a law and order crisis in U.S. cities. All this while violating the Constitution, yet again.

105 days.

Hi barnswallow. Thank you for starting this thread topic. There are pieces and parts of these actions posted around in different threads, so we really needed it.

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Reply #8 posted 07/21/20 7:39am

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2elijah said:

PennyPurple said:

Yep, it's some BS for sure.

Why are they in unmarked, not in uniform, won't identify themselves BS garb?


How can Trump solely order this, without any vote from our lawmakers? And why can't they stop him or won't stop him?


Sending them to Democrat controlled cities.


Arghh.

He thinks the position as president makes him the all powerful with no accountability. That’s why he has to be voted out. He’s a deranged man obsessed with ‘control’ issues. Now if a protester gets killed by one of those men, then that person’s blood will be on Trump’s hands. How do you send a fleet of masked men, not in any uniform, in unmarked cars to attack protesters, who have a right to protest? He just seems to do whatever he wants without accountability.


It's horrible. The federal govenment cannot trounce over the states/cities like this, they do not need it and do not want it.

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Reply #9 posted 07/21/20 7:45am

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Image

By posting this, I don't mean to make light of any aspect of what's going on. I see it as a satirical image making a political point. I don't know who created it. I saw it on a twitter thread and dragged it over here.

Meanwhile, over at Lawfare:

https://www.lawfareblog.c...-monuments

Sixth paragraph has link to the executive order.

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Reply #10 posted 07/21/20 7:54am

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barnswallow said:

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By posting this, I don't mean to make light of any aspect of what's going on. I see it as a satirical image making a political point. I don't know who created it. I saw it on a twitter thread and dragged it over here.

Meanwhile, over at Lawfare:

https://www.lawfareblog.c...-monuments

Sixth paragraph has link to the executive order.


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Persons merely engaging in non-violent protest activities near MMS (monuments memorials statues), or making hyperbolic statements about MMS likely do not constitute a threat to MMS” (emphasis added). Rather, it states, a "’threat to MMS’ means the infliction of any damage sufficient to impede the purpose or function of the MMS.”

The premise is alarming because it uses the cover of minor property damage, whether to federal property or otherwise, to justify intelligence gathering against ordinary Americans—most of whom have nothing to do with the underlying property damage, and many of whom are engaged in the most American of activities: peacefully protesting their government.

The Deparrtment of Homeland Securty was not created for unidentified armed agents to chase American protestors in the street, snatch them up and hold them for hours. I imagine law suits will fly and there will be a determination about what is more egregious, bringing down a confederate statue or impeding the constitutional right to protest near said "monuments."

Infuriating.


[Edited 7/21/20 8:03am]

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Reply #11 posted 07/21/20 8:02am

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DiminutiveRocker said:



barnswallow said:


EdclETYXoAAxKDQ?format=jpg&name=small


By posting this, I don't mean to make light of any aspect of what's going on. I see it as a satirical image making a political point. I don't know who created it. I saw it on a twitter thread and dragged it over here.


Meanwhile, over at Lawfare:


https://www.lawfareblog.c...-monuments


Sixth paragraph has link to the executive order.





eek

Persons merely engaging in non-violent protest activities near MMS (monuments memorials statues), or making hyperbolic statements about MMS likely do not constitute a threat to MMS” (emphasis added). Rather, it states, a "’threat to MMS’ means the infliction of any damage sufficient to impede the purpose or function of the MMS.”



The premise is alarming because it uses the cover of minor property damage, whether to federal property or otherwise, to justify intelligence gathering against ordinary Americans—most of whom have nothing to do with the underlying property damage, and many of whom are engaged in the most American of activities: peacefully protesting their government.





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He’s really sowing his oats. He’s abusing the office of the presidency, and Congress needs to do something to stop the abuse. The voters will have the power on Election Day. He’s staging a one-man war against the American people, during a pandemic which he does not give a shit about.
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Reply #12 posted 07/21/20 8:02am

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Executive Order link from barnswallow's post -

https://www.whitehouse.go...-violence/

Executive Orders

Executive Order on Protecting American Monuments, Memorials, and Statues and Combating Recent Criminal Violence

Issued on: June 26, 2020

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Reply #13 posted 07/21/20 8:07am

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DiminutiveRocker said:



barnswallow said:


EdclETYXoAAxKDQ?format=jpg&name=small


By posting this, I don't mean to make light of any aspect of what's going on. I see it as a satirical image making a political point. I don't know who created it. I saw it on a twitter thread and dragged it over here.


Meanwhile, over at Lawfare:


https://www.lawfareblog.c...-monuments


Sixth paragraph has link to the executive order.





eek

Persons merely engaging in non-violent protest activities near MMS (monuments memorials statues), or making hyperbolic statements about MMS likely do not constitute a threat to MMS” (emphasis added). Rather, it states, a "’threat to MMS’ means the infliction of any damage sufficient to impede the purpose or function of the MMS.”



The premise is alarming because it uses the cover of minor property damage, whether to federal property or otherwise, to justify intelligence gathering against ordinary Americans—most of whom have nothing to do with the underlying property damage, and many of whom are engaged in the most American of activities: peacefully protesting their government.

The Deparrtment of Homeland Securty was not created for unidentified armed agents to chase American protestors in the street, snatch them up and hold them for hours. I imagine law suits will fly and there will be a determination about what is more egregious, bringing down a confederate statue or impeding the constitutional right to protest near said "monuments."

Infuriating.



[Edited 7/21/20 8:03am]


I can’t wait for the lawsuits. Whose paying these guys? The taxpayers?
Did he consult Congress about this use of force?
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Reply #14 posted 07/21/20 10:16am

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2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


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Persons merely engaging in non-violent protest activities near MMS (monuments memorials statues), or making hyperbolic statements about MMS likely do not constitute a threat to MMS” (emphasis added). Rather, it states, a "’threat to MMS’ means the infliction of any damage sufficient to impede the purpose or function of the MMS.”

The premise is alarming because it uses the cover of minor property damage, whether to federal property or otherwise, to justify intelligence gathering against ordinary Americans—most of whom have nothing to do with the underlying property damage, and many of whom are engaged in the most American of activities: peacefully protesting their government.

The Deparrtment of Homeland Securty was not created for unidentified armed agents to chase American protestors in the street, snatch them up and hold them for hours. I imagine law suits will fly and there will be a determination about what is more egregious, bringing down a confederate statue or impeding the constitutional right to protest near said "monuments."

Infuriating.


[Edited 7/21/20 8:03am]

I can’t wait for the lawsuits. Whose paying these guys? The taxpayers? Did he consult Congress about this use of force?


Read the link Barnswallow posted - he took Homeland Security and made it his own government police

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Reply #15 posted 07/21/20 10:21am

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2elijah said:

Yes the guy is losing his mind. He’s ignoring a pandemic, and treating it like it doesn’t exist. The state of the country is a mess and people are getting tired of the nonsense he is pulling. Using those feds to invade cities, as a deflection from his failure to handle the pandemic, says it all. The country is in an economic mess, and he’s not doing anything to make things better.
[Edited 7/21/20 3:36am]

"Though this may be madness, yet there is method to it", to quote old Will Shakespeare. What Trump is saying here is: "Look, I'm restoring law and order! If those weak Democrats can't control the streets, than I will!" And that goes well with plenty of voters. And as you said, it's a good way of distracting attention from the pandemic. Nobody can control that. But riots (or making protest seem like riots) is something you can control. And that makes you look powerful.
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SantanaMaitreya said:

2elijah said:
Yes the guy is losing his mind. He’s ignoring a pandemic, and treating it like it doesn’t exist. The state of the country is a mess and people are getting tired of the nonsense he is pulling. Using those feds to invade cities, as a deflection from his failure to handle the pandemic, says it all. The country is in an economic mess, and he’s not doing anything to make things better. [Edited 7/21/20 3:36am]
"Though this may be madness, yet there is method to it", to quote old Will Shakespeare. What Trump is saying here is: "Look, I'm restoring law and order! If those weak Democrats can't control the streets, than I will!" And that goes well with plenty of voters. And as you said, it's a good way of distracting attention from the pandemic. Nobody can control that. But riots (or making protest seem like riots) is something you can control. And that makes you look powerful.


Or dictatorial. We get why he is dong it. But unless it can be proven that these protesters are terrorists then it could hit some ugly legal ramifications. There is such a thing as State's rights and jurisdiction.

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Reply #17 posted 07/21/20 10:33am

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2elijah said:

Yes the guy is losing his mind. He’s ignoring a pandemic, and treating it like it doesn’t exist. The state of the country is a mess and people are getting tired of the nonsense he is pulling. Using those feds to invade cities, as a deflection from his failure to handle the pandemic, says it all. The country is in an economic mess, and he’s not doing anything to make things better.
[Edited 7/21/20 3:36am]

"Though this may be madness, yet there is method to it", to quote old Will Shakespeare. What Trump is saying here is: "Look, I'm restoring law and order! If those weak Democrats can't control the streets, than I will!" And that goes well with plenty of voters. And as you said, it's a good way of distracting attention from the pandemic. Nobody can control that. But riots (or making protest seem like riots) is something you can control. And that makes you look powerful.

Not really. That kind of armed force.police spraying protesters/tear gassing them/and beating up protesters, during the civil rights era, didn’t stop change from happening.

If anything it makes trump look desperate, sending in armed, unidentified officers to beat up American protesters, who by the way are many voters who will have the power of voting his ass out.

Trump’s just going to have to deal with the fact that he is not, and never will be the ‘all powerful.’ Tiny-lip Trump is just a desperate, failing President. You can prop him up to your standing, but it doesn’t change that he’s a failure as president. Carry on.
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2elijah said:

SantanaMaitreya said:
"Though this may be madness, yet there is method to it", to quote old Will Shakespeare. What Trump is saying here is: "Look, I'm restoring law and order! If those weak Democrats can't control the streets, than I will!" And that goes well with plenty of voters. And as you said, it's a good way of distracting attention from the pandemic. Nobody can control that. But riots (or making protest seem like riots) is something you can control. And that makes you look powerful.
Not really. That kind of armed force.police spraying protesters/tear gassing them/and beating up protesters, during the civil rights era, didn’t stop change from happening. If anything it makes trump look desperate, sending in armed, unidentified officers to beat up American protesters, who by the way are many voters who will have the power of voting his ass out. Trump’s just going to have to deal with the fact that he is not, and never will be the ‘all powerful.’ Tiny-lip Trump is just a desperate, failing President. You can prop him up to your standing, but it doesn’t change that he’s a failure as president. Carry on. [Edited 7/21/20 10:46am]

Actually this could motivate young people to VOTE. All they have to do is witness this stupidity (like Kent State) to see what a thug the potus really is.

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2elijah said:

SantanaMaitreya said: Not really. That kind of armed force.police spraying protesters/tear gassing them/and beating up protesters, during the civil rights era, didn’t stop change from happening. If anything it makes trump look desperate, sending in armed, unidentified officers to beat up American protesters, who by the way are many voters who will have the power of voting his ass out. Trump’s just going to have to deal with the fact that he is not, and never will be the ‘all powerful.’ Tiny-lip Trump is just a desperate, failing President. You can prop him up to your standing, but it doesn’t change that he’s a failure as president. Carry on. [Edited 7/21/20 10:46am]

Actually this could motivate young people to VOTE. All they have to do is witness this stupidity (like Kent State) to see what a thug the potus really is.

Yes, interesting Kent State is in the media feed today. Just had the 50 year "anniversary" May 4th, not much fanfare, posted about it, my sister went there at the time. I'm not very shocked this is happening in Portland, to be honest. It's a disturbing link in a chain that needs to be broken.

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poppys said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Actually this could motivate young people to VOTE. All they have to do is witness this stupidity (like Kent State) to see what a thug the potus really is.

Yes, interesting Kent State is in the media feed today. Just had the 50 year "anniversary" May 4th, not much fanfare, posted about it, my sister went there at the time. I'm not very shocked this is happening in Portland, to be honest. It's a disturbing link in a chain that needs to be broken.


Let's break it November 3, 2020!

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2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

We've mentioned Portland and Chicago on various threads - thanks for starting a thread for this topic because this sounds like it's going to keep going. The potus has a list of "liberal mayors" that he wants to punish in the guise of going in and taking control. However, states have police, and national guardsmen and do not need nor want the federal government to charge in with these unidentified government police to muscle people around and snatch them off the streets.

Can't people see how scary and wrong this is? This is what's done in governments run by dictators, not in the US of America.

Exactly.

Amen

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Oops double post.
[Edited 7/21/20 14:24pm]
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2elijah said:


SantanaMaitreya said:
"Though this may be madness, yet there is method to it", to quote old Will Shakespeare. What Trump is saying here is: "Look, I'm restoring law and order! If those weak Democrats can't control the streets, than I will!" And that goes well with plenty of voters. And as you said, it's a good way of distracting attention from the pandemic. Nobody can control that. But riots (or making protest seem like riots) is something you can control. And that makes you look powerful.

Not really. That kind of armed force.police spraying protesters/tear gassing them/and beating up protesters, during the civil rights era, didn’t stop change from happening. If anything it makes trump look desperate, sending in armed, unidentified officers to beat up American protesters, who by the way are many voters who will have the power of voting his ass out. Trump’s just going to have to deal with the fact that he is not, and never will be the ‘all powerful.’ Tiny-lip Trump is just a desperate, failing President. You can prop him up to your standing, but it doesn’t change that he’s a failure as president. Carry on. [Edited 7/21/20 10:46am]


Actually this could motivate young people to VOTE. All they have to do is witness this stupidity (like Kent State) to see what a thug the potus really is.


Oh yes I think it will too. To use that kind of force towards protesters, is asking for trouble. I remember when a similar action like Portland, happened at Kent State, and I believe some students were killed in the process. Trump is playing with peoples’ lives doing this. I believe it will eventually backfire on him.
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DiminutiveRocker said:

Actually this could motivate young people to VOTE. All they have to do is witness this stupidity (like Kent State) to see what a thug the potus really is.

Oh yes I think it will too. To use that kind of force towards protesters, is asking for trouble. I remember when a similar action like Portland, happened at Kent State, and I believe some students were killed in the process. Trump is playing with peoples’ lives doing this. I believe it will eventually backfire on him.

13 unarmed students were shot 4 were killed by the Ohio National Guard on May 4, 1970. My sister went there at the time. One of her dorm mates, Allison, was one of the murdered.

The killings took place during a peace rally against the expanding involvement of the Vietnam War into neutral Cambodia by United States military forces as well as the National Guard presence on campus. The incident marked the first time that a student had been slain in an anti-war gathering in United States history.

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How is this that different from the behavior of Pinochet or Kim Jong Un ?
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How is this that different from the behavior of Pinochet or Kim Jong Un ?

Exactly!
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Reply #27 posted 07/22/20 3:53am

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Let’s see how swamp handles these demands:


https://www.cnn.com/2020/...index.html


More than a dozen mayors join Portland in asking Trump administration to withdraw federal forces
By Madeline Holcombe, CNN

Updated 5:05 AM ET, Wed July 22, 2020
Moms try to protect protestors in Portland


More than a dozen mayors have joined Portland in asking the Trump administration to remove federal forces from or stop plans to send them to major American cities.

In a letter Monday addressed to Attorney General William Barr and Acting Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security Chad Wolf, the mayors called the administration's intention to deploy federal forces against protesters an "abuse of power."


The letter -- signed by the mayors of Portland, Seattle, Atlanta, Chicago, Washington, DC, Boston, Philadelphia, Denver, Los Angeles, San Jose, Oakland, Tucson, Sacramento, Phoenix and Kansas City, Missiouri -- calls on the administration to withdraw federal forces from the cities where they are currently deployed and halt plans to send them elsewhere.“
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Let’s see how swamp handles these demands: https://www.cnn.com/2020/...index.html More than a dozen mayors join Portland in asking Trump administration to withdraw federal forces By Madeline Holcombe, CNN Updated 5:05 AM ET, Wed July 22, 2020 Moms try to protect protestors in Portland More than a dozen mayors have joined Portland in asking the Trump administration to remove federal forces from or stop plans to send them to major American cities. In a letter Monday addressed to Attorney General William Barr and Acting Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security Chad Wolf, the mayors called the administration's intention to deploy federal forces against protesters an "abuse of power." The letter -- signed by the mayors of Portland, Seattle, Atlanta, Chicago, Washington, DC, Boston, Philadelphia, Denver, Los Angeles, San Jose, Oakland, Tucson, Sacramento, Phoenix and Kansas City, Missiouri -- calls on the administration to withdraw federal forces from the cities where they are currently deployed and halt plans to send them elsewhere.“


Chad Wolf is an asshat.

Wonder if it will even phase swamp, he likes this show of force and to be able to brag about it.

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