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#CancelCulture stories

Cancel Culture is definately something I see as 'regular' people mostly attacking popular people.
I believe there is level or envy behind cancel culture.
Cancel culture is also a symptom of social media life. Most people have probably learned that if you disagree with someone on their FB page, you might get blocked, no matter how long you've know them. It's a hard lesson, but people are not looking for discussion, but validation.
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Willow Smith weighs in on 'cancel culture'

One topic they discussed was cancel culture, which Smith, 19, noted is "so prevalent ri...ght now." The teenager continued: "I'm seeing people shaming others, like saying really terrible things, shaming people for what they're choosing to say or shaming people for not really saying anything at all. But I feel like if we really want change, shaming doesn't lead to learning." The mother, daughter and grandmother trio were joined by activists Dr. Angela Davis and Tamika D. Mallory. "Cancel culture is a little dangerous. It definitely is because none of us are perfect," Mallory said. "It is a space that is a little difficult to maneuver because you do have to leave people room to make mistakes, to grow and to learn, but they have to show that they're willing."

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8492387/Backlash-Hamilton-musical-revisionist-history-days-debuted-Disney-amid-BLM-protests.html?fbclid=IwAR2ycB_MLLlK5U3eK1avloGlgVDxQMaEz9amDSUO_Ecl8UABqAt-7Xo1hPs

#CancelHamilton sweeps the internet with calls for the musical to be AXED after its debut on Disney+ over criticism of the Founding Father for his role in slave trade

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'To those of you using #CancelHamilton, you need to learn to separate fact from fiction. Hamilton is a god damn Broadway musical, not a history lesson. To those of you trying to cancel Lin, give me one reason why. Your reasoning is that he made the founding fathers look like good people. It's BASIC AMERICAN HISTORY that the founding fathers were not good people. 2 years ago you wouldn't shut up about the musical. Now you want to cancel it?


'Hamilton doesn't exist without the black and brown artists who created and revolutionized and changed the world through the culture, music and language of hip-hop. Literally, the idea of the show doesn't exist without the brilliant black and brown artists in our cast, crew and production team who breathe life into this story every time it's performed,' he went on to explain.

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Reply #2 posted 07/08/20 9:31am

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JK Rowling, Salman Rushdie and many others stand up against it.
https://harpers.org/a-let...en-debate/
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Very hard to cancel someone for saying the wrong thing if they don't have a boss or a precarious income unless they did something really terrible, the most you can do is stop inviting them to public events.

Very easy to cancel someone for saying the wrong thing if they do have a boss or a precarious income.

Seems to me the problem is not necessarily cancel culture.

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jaawwnn said:

Very hard to cancel someone for saying the wrong thing if they don't have a boss or a precarious income unless they did something really terrible, the most you can do is stop inviting them to public events.

Very easy to cancel someone for saying the wrong thing if they do have a boss or a precarious income.

Seems to me the problem is not necessarily cancel culture.

Actually it happens all the time throught social media. We all probably do it to some degree.

Maybe etches of it started with 'talk to the hand'

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Cancel culture. Is that like those kids who tore down the Christopher Columbus statue in Miami the other day?

And then they got arrested so I guess they got cancelled right back lol.

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3rdeyedude said:

Cancel culture. Is that like those kids who tore down the Christopher Columbus statue in Miami the other day?

And then they got arrested so I guess they got cancelled right back lol.

lol no that's a little different

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https://www.foxnews.com/m...LGC5QPndGA

Liberal writers, activists sign open letter calling to end 'cancel culture'

Signatures include J.K. Rowling, Bari Weiss, Noam Chomsky and Gloria Steinem

Liberal writers, professors and activists have come together and signed an open letter in the hopes of ending "cancel culture."

"Harry Potter" author J.K. Rowling, New York Times opinion editor Bari Weiss and political activist Noam Chomsky are a few of more than 100 names attached to the piece titled "A Letter on Justice and Open Debate" that was published Tuesday in Harper's Magazine.

"Our cultural institutions are facing a moment of trial," the letter begins. "Powerful protests for racial and social justice are leading to overdue demands for police reform, along with wider calls for greater equality and inclusion across our society, not least in higher education, journalism, philanthropy, and the arts."

"But this needed reckoning has also intensified a new set of moral attitudes and political commitments that tend to weaken our norms of open debate and toleration of differences in favor of ideological conformity. As we applaud the first development, we also raise our voices against the second."

While the letter calls President Trump a "real threat to democracy," it also warns that the resistance should not "harden into its own brand of dogma or coercion," insisting that an "intolerant climate" has plagued both sides of the aisle.


"The free exchange of information and ideas, the lifeblood of a liberal society, is daily becoming more constricted," the letter explains. "While we have come to expect this on the radical right, censoriousness is also spreading more widely in our culture: an intolerance of opposing views, a vogue for public shaming and ostracism, and the tendency to dissolve complex policy issues in a blinding moral certainty. We uphold the value of robust and even caustic counter-speech from all quarters. But it is now all too common to hear calls for swift and severe retribution in response to perceived transgressions of speech and thought."

"More troubling still, institutional leaders, in a spirit of panicked damage control, are delivering hasty and disproportionate punishments instead of considered reforms. [...] We are already paying the price in greater risk aversion among writers, artists, and journalists who fear for their livelihoods if they depart from the consensus, or even lack sufficient zeal in agreement."


The letter goes on to say that the "stifling atmosphere" that restricts public debate "invariably hurts those who lack power and makes everyone less capable of democratic participation."


"We need to preserve the possibility of good-faith disagreement without dire professional consequences," the letter says. "If we won’t defend the very thing on which our work depends, we shouldn’t expect the public or the state to defend it for us."


Other signatures attached to the letter include New York Times columnists David Brooks and Michelle Goldberg, CNN host Fareed Zakaria, The Atlantic writer David Frum, "The Handmaid's Tale" author Margaret Atwood and feminist icon Gloria Steinem.

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https://www.foxnews.com/m...R2EEyEGqo0

At least 2 signers of liberal 'cancel culture' letter back away from it

One of their names has already been removed from the letter

At least two of those who signed the open letter opposing "cancel culture" are now backing away from it.

On Tuesday morning, Harper's Magazine published a piece signed by roughly 150 liberal writers, professors, and activists voicing their concerns about the current state of public discourse.

However, some signers who took part in that open letter are distancing themselves from it as it drew major social media attention.

"I do not endorse this @Harpers letter. I am in contact with Harper's about a retraction," historian Kerri Greenidge told her followers. Her name has since been taken off the letter.

Author and trans activist Jennifer Finney Boylan also expressed regret for having signed the letter.

"I did not know who else had signed that letter," Boylan tweeted. "I thought I was endorsing a well meaning, if vague, message against internet shaming. I did know Chomsky, Steinem, and Atwood were in, and I thought, good company. The consequences are mine to bear. I am so sorry."


Boylan's tweet may have alluded to the inclusion of "Harry Potter" author J.K. Rowling, who has faced backlash in recent weeks for remarks defending the concept of biological sex, which critics say were transphobic.


Another signer, Vox journalist Matthew Yglesias, was publically shamed by one of his colleagues for including himself among the others on the open letter.

"As a trans woman who very much values her position at Vox and the support the publication has given her through the emotional and physical turmoil of transition, I was deeply saddened to see Matt Yglesias's signature on the Harper's Weekly letter," Vox critic at large Emily VanDerWerff began her letter to the editors that she shared on Twitter. "Matt is, of course, entitled to his own opinion, and I know he is a more nuanced thinker than signing the letter would suggest. He has never been anything but kind to me and has often supported my work publicly, all of which I am extremely grateful for."

"But the letter, signed as it is by several prominent anti-trans voices and containing as many dog whistles towards anti-trans positions as it does, ideally would not have been signed by anybody at Vox, much less one of the most prominent people at our publication."

VanDerWeff told the editors that Yglesias' signature on the letter "makes me feel less safe at Vox" and claimed that it makes her job "slightly more difficult" as since, as she suggests, readers will "equate my positions with his."

"I don't want Matt to be reprimanded or fired or even asked to submit an apology. ... But I do want to make clear that those beliefs cost him nothing," she continued. "I am used to hearing them from people who believe my own lived experiences pale in comparison to their own momentary social media discomfort. I'm sorry to find Matt among those voices."

Vox Media did not immediately respond to Fox News' request for comment. Yglesias declined to comment.

Yglesias, Rowling, New York Times opinion editor Bari Weiss and political activist Noam Chomsky were among many attached to the piece titled "A Letter on Justice and Open Debate" that was published Tuesday in Harper's Magazine.

"Our cultural institutions are facing a moment of trial," the letter begins. "Powerful protests for racial and social justice are leading to overdue demands for police reform, along with wider calls for greater equality and inclusion across our society, not least in higher education, journalism, philanthropy, and the arts.

"But this needed reckoning has also intensified a new set of moral attitudes and political commitments that tend to weaken our norms of open debate and toleration of differences in favor of ideological conformity. As we applaud the first development, we also raise our voices against the second," it continued.


While the letter calls President Trump a "real threat to democracy," it also warns that the resistance should not "harden into its own brand of dogma or coercion," insisting that an "intolerant climate" has plagued both sides of the aisle.

"The free exchange of information and ideas, the lifeblood of a liberal society, is daily becoming more constricted," the letter explains. "While we have come to expect this on the radical right, censoriousness is also spreading more widely in our culture: an intolerance of opposing views, a vogue for public shaming and ostracism, and the tendency to dissolve complex policy issues in a blinding moral certainty. We uphold the value of robust and even caustic counter-speech from all quarters. But it is now all too common to hear calls for swift and severe retribution in response to perceived transgressions of speech and thought."

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Reply #9 posted 07/08/20 6:23pm

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Oh no, they're not cancelling the #CancelCulture are they?

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The Golden Girls got cancelled. pout



(Am I doing it wrong...?)


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I don't like cancel culture since I believe that people can change and cancelling anyone doesn't help. But JK Roling is transphobic and didn't like the backlash before people wanted to cancel her. She didn't listen to anyone and just posted bullshit after bullshit.

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The fact of the matter is, that for a better SOCIETY we must work towards it. The other option is easy, Just let things go to hell. Go back to before we tried to be polite and civilized.

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I find it rather distaste fir when an African American and Jewish commedian who have benefited in society through a working towards less discrimination and racial slurs get petty about it because they drive fancy cars and live in a fancy house and are treated better by cops and establishments think it is somehow "bad" becasue it ay hurt their bottom line. They are the sensitive ones, with are the out of folks with problem.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

jaawwnn said:

Very hard to cancel someone for saying the wrong thing if they don't have a boss or a precarious income unless they did something really terrible, the most you can do is stop inviting them to public events.

Very easy to cancel someone for saying the wrong thing if they do have a boss or a precarious income.

Seems to me the problem is not necessarily cancel culture.

Actually it happens all the time throught social media. We all probably do it to some degree.

Maybe etches of it started with 'talk to the hand'

Does not contradict what I said.

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jaawwnn said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Actually it happens all the time throught social media. We all probably do it to some degree.

Maybe etches of it started with 'talk to the hand'

Does not contradict what I said.

I don't think I was contradicting you

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Barack Obama Calls Out 'Cancel Culture' in the Era of Donald Trump

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10/30/19 8:30PM

Former President Barack Obama speaks to guests at the Obama Foundation Summit in Chicago Oct. 29, 2019.Photo: Scott Olson (Getty)

For all eight years of his presidency, Barack Obama was the epitome of class and grace, ever speaking to how to bring opposing sides to common ground, whether during a beer summit or in offering a hand to recalcitrant Republicans.

Now, the nation's forever president is calling out "cancel culture," telling an audience at the annual Obama Foundation Summit in Chicago that shutting down a person with an opposing view or just being overly critical is not a mark of true activism.

"This idea of purity, and you're never compromised, and you're always politically woke and all that stuff. You should get over that quickly," Obama said, the Daily Beast reports. "The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws."

Obama took on the social media culture of so-called hashtag activism, advising that folks, especially young people, not mistake being overly judgmental with being an activist.

"If I tweet or hashtag about how you didn't do something right or used the wrong verb, then I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself. Did you see how woke I was, I called you out," Obama continued during Tuesday's speech, according to Rolling Stone. "Then I'm going to get on my TV and watch my show ... That's not activism.

"If all you're doing is casting stones, you're probably not going to get that far," opined Obama.

Wise and sober words, perhaps especially needed in an era in which the current occupant of the Oval Office hardly goes out of his way to find common ground with those with whom he disagrees.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

jaawwnn said:

Does not contradict what I said.

I don't think I was contradicting you

Oh ok, I read "actually" as disagreement. All good so wildsign

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I don't like cancel culture since I believe that people can change and cancelling anyone doesn't help. But JK Roling is transphobic and didn't like the backlash before people wanted to cancel her. She didn't listen to anyone and just posted bullshit after bullshit.


Rowling has always been outspoken and people were a-ok with it when she spoke out about things they agreed with, especially feminist issues. But now that she doesn't have the "right" opinion, she gets cancelled? I support her telling these people to go fuck themselves. It's usually the people raising the most ruckus about some of these things that have the most skeletons in their closets.

We're in the middle of a moral panic right now.

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There is a (very long) reply to the letter of Rowling, Rushdie et al.
https://theobjective.subs...on-justice
Interestingly enough, after the introduction, the first thing they do is mention skin colour.
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ThatWhiteDude said:

I don't like cancel culture since I believe that people can change and cancelling anyone doesn't help. But JK Roling is transphobic and didn't like the backlash before people wanted to cancel her. She didn't listen to anyone and just posted bullshit after bullshit.


Rowling has always been outspoken and people were a-ok with it when she spoke out about things they agreed with, especially feminist issues. But now that she doesn't have the "right" opinion, she gets cancelled? I support her telling these people to go fuck themselves. It's usually the people raising the most ruckus about some of these things that have the most skeletons in their closets.

We're in the middle of a moral panic right now.

She's still a billionaire with sales that show no sign of slowing down. I can make an argument that cancel culture exists for sure but it's not people like Rowling who are affected by it.

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Its stuff like this that makes me want to move to a cabin on a mountain to get away from people. JK makes a point that some people don't agree with and instead of debating her they just start slamming her? Reminds me of when the Pythons made Life Of Brian and went on TV to debate their film with a couple of members of the church, and they just got bashed, no sensible discussion or discourse.

Every generation had ignorant people but I guess they just stayed at home shouting at their televisions in years gone by ... but now the internet has given them an outlet.

I honestly fear that if this generation don't do less spouting off (ie. social media posting in a desperate attempt for validation and popularity), and more reading and listening to people with more years of experience and wisdom, the human race may have peaked ...

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Is free speech under threat from 'cancel culture'? Four writers respond

An open letter has ignited a heated discussion on the limits of political debate

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#1 Nesrine Malik: Don't confuse being told you're wrong with the baying of a mob

The idea of "cancel culture", the obvious, albeit unnamed, target of this letter, collapses several different phenomena under one pejorative label. It's puzzling to me that a statement signed by a group of writers, thinkers and journalists, most whom have Ivy League or other prestigious credentials, would fail to at least establish a coherent definition of what it believes cancel culture is before seeming to condemn it.

The fact is that decisions made by corporate HR departments, failings in editing processes at media organisations such as the New York Times, and the demands of movements for social justice to be accorded recognition and respect do not constitute one clear trend. The new climate of "censoriousness", if there is one, cannot be diagnosed and dispatched this easily.

In my view, the failure to make these distinctions clear is probably less an oversight and more of a convenient fudge. Because outrage about cancel culture can't be credibly sustained when you start breaking down what it actually consists of. Companies hastily sacking people who have been mobbed online is about the bottom line and fear of bad PR. It raises...
Nesrine Malik is a Guardian columnist

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#2 Jonathan Freedland: The reaction to the letter has shown the need for it

Any letter that carries the signatures of both the former George W Bush speechwriter David Frum – the man who coined the phrase "axis of evil" – and Noam Chomsky is bound to get attention. It takes some doing to get, say, New York Times columnist Bari Weiss and Bernie Sanders advocate Zephyr Teachout to join forces, and there are dozens of similarly unlikely ideological match-ups to be found among those who signed the letter published by Harper's Magazine.

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Endorsed by a bulging list of esteemed writers, artists and public intellectuals, this letter might well come to be seen as an inflection point in an argument that has been rumbling away, much of it on social media, for months if not years. And yet, the text hardly reads like some ground-breaking, revolutionary document. Luther's 95 Theses, it ain't...
Jonathan Freedland is a Guardian columnist

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#3 Zoe Williams: There is no such thing as pure freedom of expression

"We need to preserve the possibility of good-faith disagreement without dire professional consequences," the Harper's letter concludes. I was about to say I broadly agreed. But wait: broadly? I wholeheartedly agree. How can intellectual inquiry flourish if people can't express themselves in good faith? Should professional consequences ever be dire for taking what is later considered to be the wrong position in a debate? Then again, this is quite an abstract proposition. Get into the weeds – what counts as good faith, and who decides – and I might find myself on the other side. If David Starkey complained about "so many damn blacks" in good faith, then I'm definitely on the other side. Professional consequences start off dire for the people who are cancelled en masse by structural racism. At least old white dudes get the respect of being cancelled on a case-by-case basis.

This reminds me a lot of the arguments we used to have about religious tolerance in the 90s. Toleration was a good and necessary thing; but what if it meant you had to tolerate people who themselves wouldn't tolerate you? That would be fine, we'd shrug:...
What we do know is that there is no such thing as total tolerance: it cannot logically tolerate intolerance. And there is no such things as pure freedom of expression either: the expression of some views necessarily encroaches on the dignity and freedom of others...
Zoe Williams is a Guardian columnist

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#4 Samuel Moyn: Abuse of the power to cancel is why I signed the letter

I am not a free speech absolutist. Language is part of how our world is constituted. It does not operate free from the dangers and hierarchies of real life; it makes them possible. Calls for open debate routinely conceal the endurance of hierarchies. Distinguishing between necessarily helpful speech and potentially harmful acts, as John Stuart Mill did and as free speech absolutists do, will not work. And without necessarily incurring the risk of slippery slopes, we can ban – or even empower the state to do so. We can cancel too.

But these are powers that do risk abuse and overuse. And that is why I signed the letter, and would do so again.

If it is true that hierarchies are in part maintained – not just undone – by speech, and that speech can harm and not just help, it doesn't follow that more free speech for more people isn't generally a good cause. It is.

Recent events have, in my opinion, proved that a successful movement – one with which I sympathise – can err and undermine its further inroads into opinion...

Samuel Moyn is a professor of law and history at Yale
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read the full pieces here

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/08/is-free-speech-under-threat-cancel-culture-writers-respond?fbclid=IwAR3PH7D8PWVrKchKFrwgutHoI-MekUoByQKbRUL_9d5zEDoOrfbLClmlIFw

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ThatWhiteDude said:


I don't like cancel culture since I believe that people can change and cancelling anyone doesn't help. But JK Roling is transphobic and didn't like the backlash before people wanted to cancel her. She didn't listen to anyone and just posted bullshit after bullshit.




Rowling has always been outspoken and people were a-ok with it when she spoke out about things they agreed with, especially feminist issues. But now that she doesn't have the "right" opinion, she gets cancelled? I support her telling these people to go fuck themselves. It's usually the people raising the most ruckus about some of these things that have the most skeletons in their closets.

We're in the middle of a moral panic right now.


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ThatWhiteDude said:

guitarslinger44 said:



ThatWhiteDude said:


I don't like cancel culture since I believe that people can change and cancelling anyone doesn't help. But JK Roling is transphobic and didn't like the backlash before people wanted to cancel her. She didn't listen to anyone and just posted bullshit after bullshit.




Rowling has always been outspoken and people were a-ok with it when she spoke out about things they agreed with, especially feminist issues. But now that she doesn't have the "right" opinion, she gets cancelled? I support her telling these people to go fuck themselves. It's usually the people raising the most ruckus about some of these things that have the most skeletons in their closets.

We're in the middle of a moral panic right now.


Did I say that canceling her is right? She can have her opinion but people are free to tell her to go to hell as well. Especially if she says shit like: hormone therapy for trans people is like the new convertion therapy for gay people."

She has no knowledge of the matter. What she say has nothing to do with facts, or wisdom, or knowledge in any Form or shape.
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Reply #24 posted 07/15/20 1:05pm

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Did I say that canceling her is right? She can have her opinion but people are free to tell her to go to hell as well. Especially if she says shit like: hormone therapy for trans people is like the new convertion therapy for gay people." She has no knowledge of the matter. What she say has nothing to do with facts, or wisdom, or knowledge in any Form or shape.


At the time conversion therapy was happening, people thought they were doing the right thing. Now we know that was wrong, and we may find out the same thing with hormone therapy 20 years from now. You don't know what she knows or doesn't know about the matter, you just know you don't like her opinion on it, and that's fine, but she's perfectly entitled to have it as you are to not like it. You can't MAKE people support you or your lifestyle, and trying to do so through force usuallyjust makes the opposite happen.

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guitarslinger44 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

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At the time conversion therapy was happening, people thought they were doing the right thing. Now we know that was wrong, and we may find out the same thing with hormone therapy 20 years from now. You don't know what she knows or doesn't know about the matter, you just know you don't like her opinion on it, and that's fine, but she's perfectly entitled to have it as you are to not like it. You can't MAKE people support you or your lifestyle, and trying to do so through force usuallyjust makes the opposite happen.

Hormone Therapy is something you sign up for yourself, conversion therapy was forced upon people. What happened to those famous American individual freedoms?

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At the time conversion therapy was happening, people thought they were doing the right thing. Now we know that was wrong, and we may find out the same thing with hormone therapy 20 years from now. You don't know what she knows or doesn't know about the matter, you just know you don't like her opinion on it, and that's fine, but she's perfectly entitled to have it as you are to not like it. You can't MAKE people support you or your lifestyle, and trying to do so through force usuallyjust makes the opposite happen.

I know trans people who transitioned 20 years ago, and they don't regret it. There'll always be people who think they might be trans and find out through hormone therapy that they are not trans. It's also not a lifestyle, it's not a choice to be trans. Those people are born that way, just like gay people are born that way.

I also never said people should force their opinion on JK Roling, I simply said that just like she's entitled to her opinion, people are entitled tell her to fuck off. Now her posting misinformation about hormone therapy is a whole different subject, it's not just her opinion here, it's dangerously stupid to spread this kind of propaganda.

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Alyssa Milano Slams Blackface Allegations, Says She Was Portraying Snooki From 'Jersey Shore'

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ETOnline logoAlyssa Milano Slams Blackface Allegations, Says She Was Portraying Snooki From 'Jersey Shore'
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Alyssa Milano is setting the record straight. The former Charmed star came under fire after people accused her of wearing blackface in an old parody video that recently resurfaced. However, Milano, 47, took to Twitter on Tuesday to slam the allegations, explaining that she wasn't wearing blackface and was portraying Nicole "Snooki" Polizzi from Jersey Shore.

"Hey, a--holes. The below picture is me parodying Jersey Shore and Snookie’s tan. Snookie’s tan (she is a sweetheart by the way) is worthy of parodying as is Trump’s 'tan,'" she tweeted. "So go f--- yourselves with your smear campaign."

She also posted the link to the 2013 Funny or Die video, in which she undergoes a Snooki transformation and dons a darker complexion.

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President Obama Says It’s Time To ‘Get Over’ Cancel Culture

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guitarslinger44 said:


At the time conversion therapy was happening, people thought they were doing the right thing. Now we know that was wrong, and we may find out the same thing with hormone therapy 20 years from now. You don't know what she knows or doesn't know about the matter, you just know you don't like her opinion on it, and that's fine, but she's perfectly entitled to have it as you are to not like it. You can't MAKE people support you or your lifestyle, and trying to do so through force usuallyjust makes the opposite happen.

I know trans people who transitioned 20 years ago, and they don't regret it. There'll always be people who think they might be trans and find out through hormone therapy that they are not trans. It's also not a lifestyle, it's not a choice to be trans. Those people are born that way, just like gay people are born that way.

I also never said people should force their opinion on JK Roling, I simply said that just like she's entitled to her opinion, people are entitled tell her to fuck off. Now her posting misinformation about hormone therapy is a whole different subject, it's not just her opinion here, it's dangerously stupid to spread this kind of propaganda.


Do you have evidence for any of this? Because in all the reading I've done on it, I've never seen that.

Anyway, the propaganda thing goes both ways. People being fed information about their children potentially being trans at a very young age is also misinformation that unfortunately some "well meaning" parents buy into.

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