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Brett Favre Believes Colin Kaepernick Deserves a Second Chance in the NFL



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https://www.newsweek.com/brett-favre-colin-kaepernick-second-chance-nfl-1512462


Brett Favre compares Colin Kaepernick to Pat Tillman: 'We regard him as a hero'


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/brett-favre-compares-colin-kaepernick-to-pat-tillman-we-regard-him-as-a-hero/ar-BB15NnAi?ocid=uxbndlbing

n an interview with TMZ Sports, Favre was asked if Kaepernick reminded him of someone like Jackie Robinson or Muhammad Ali. Instead of going with those names, Favre felt Tillman was a better comparison. Tillman turned down a $3.6 million contract offer from the Cardinals to enlist in the U.S. Army.

Favre says it's similar because both players sacrificed their playing careers for a bigger cause.

"It's not easy for a guy his age — black or white, Hispanic, whatever — to stop something that you've always dreamed of doing, and put it on hold, maybe forever, for something that you believe in," Favre said. "I can only think of right off the top of my head, Pat Tillman is another guy who did something similar. And, we regard him as a hero. So, I'd assume that hero status will be stamped with Kaepernick as well."...


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Reply #1 posted 06/22/20 10:13am

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Kaep is already on training with a team, and Goodell has encouraged teams to rehire him.

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Reply #2 posted 06/22/20 10:18am

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Yes, I saw that. Great - Goodell finally said someone should hire him. Favre supporting Kaepernick will mean a lot more to some people. He's a Gulf Coast God.

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poppys said:

Yes, I saw that. Great - Goodell finally said someone should hire him. Favre supporting Kaepernick will mean a lot more to some people. He's a Gulf Coast God.


And it’s sad it took a death for many to understand why he took a knee. The George Floyd tragedy reflects why he took a knee.
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2elijah said:

poppys said:

Yes, I saw that. Great - Goodell finally said someone should hire him. Favre supporting Kaepernick will mean a lot more to some people. He's a Gulf Coast God.

And it’s sad it took a death for many to understand why he took a knee. The George Floyd tragedy reflects why he took a knee.




Kaep was so way ahead of it all clapping and yet he was on-point for what's been happening ALL ALONG.

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2elijah said:


poppys said:

Yes, I saw that. Great - Goodell finally said someone should hire him. Favre supporting Kaepernick will mean a lot more to some people. He's a Gulf Coast God.



And it’s sad it took a death for many to understand why he took a knee. The George Floyd tragedy reflects why he took a knee.




Kaep was so way ahead of it all clapping and yet he was on-point for what's been happening ALL ALONG.


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Reply #6 posted 06/24/20 12:33pm

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I think what Kaep did was admirable, but if he were Tom Brady/LeBron James tier as a qb, he wouldn't have had any trouble getting signed. Most teams probably didn't want to deal with the drama for someone who's a middlng player, plus old crochety white dudes who own the teams don't want to sign someone like that, especially if he's not top tier.

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Reply #7 posted 06/24/20 5:36pm

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Those who know ANYTHING at all about professional sports know that you need a solid back-up to your starters. Starters can get hurt and you need competent players to step in should that happen.

To even be drafted into the NFL you have to be very very good.

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Those who know ANYTHING at all about professional sports know that you need a solid back-up to your starters. Starters can get hurt and you need competent players to step in should that happen.

To even be drafted into the NFL you have to be very very good.


Oh I agree and I'm sure he's a good player in his way, but he's not top tier. If he were, he could do whatever he wanted and teams would be clamoring to sign him because not only would he bring notoriety to the team, but wins.

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If Kaepernick is not hired by a NFL team (i.e. black-balled) because of his kneeling then that has nothing whatsoever to do with his ahtletic ability.

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i dont even care if hes hired as a player. if anything, hed probably serve better in a position higher than player.

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i dont even care if hes hired as a player. if anything, hed probably serve better in a position higher than player.


No doubt he will be known more for his activism than for his being a professional football player.


Still, if that is his chosen profession then he should be able to do it without prejudice despite his personal beliefs, which, as it turns out, are valid.

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If Kaepernick is not hired by a NFL team (i.e. black-balled) because of his kneeling then that has nothing whatsoever to do with his ahtletic ability.


My point is that if he were a better quarterback, he'd get hired DESPITE the kneeling because a team would decide it was worth the drama his presence would bring to get those W's. He's middling for an NFL qb, so teams aren't in a rush to sign him the way they would be if, say, LeBron had been the one taking a knee in the NBA and had been let go.

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cborgman said:

i dont even care if hes hired as a player. if anything, hed probably serve better in a position higher than player.


No doubt he will be known more for his activism than for his being a professional football player.


Still, if that is his chosen profession then he should be able to do it without prejudice despite his personal beliefs, which, as it turns out, are valid.

agreed. the whole 'hes not a good player' thing is just distraction from and minimization of his extremely valid point.

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cborgman said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


No doubt he will be known more for his activism than for his being a professional football player.


Still, if that is his chosen profession then he should be able to do it without prejudice despite his personal beliefs, which, as it turns out, are valid.

agreed. the whole 'hes not a good player' thing is just distraction from and minimization of his extremely valid point.


It's not a distraction though. I know you want to think it is, but look at Michael Vick, who still got resigned after serving prison time because he's a great QB and the Eagles thought his ability made it worth braving any drama. Kaepernick isn't on that level, so most teams decided it wasn't worth it. Maybe he'll improve and put himself in a position that he could say and do what he wants because he's that good, but I think he'd be better off quitting football and devoting himself to activism full time.

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cborgman said:

agreed. the whole 'hes not a good player' thing is just distraction from and minimization of his extremely valid point.


It's not a distraction though. I know you want to think it is, but look at Michael Vick, who still got resigned after serving prison time because he's a great QB and the Eagles thought his ability made it worth braving any drama. Kaepernick isn't on that level, so most teams decided it wasn't worth it. Maybe he'll improve and put himself in a position that he could say and do what he wants because he's that good, but I think he'd be better off quitting football and devoting himself to activism full time.

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Do you know for a fact that is what "most teams decided", or is that your opinion? Let's say that is the reason., it's an easy out for them to say that even if they black-balled him, isn't it?

He was drafted into the NFL so he must be good, not saying the best, but good enough to play in the NFL. If he is not given the opportunity to play or be on a team because of his activism then that is fucked up.

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cborgman said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


No doubt he will be known more for his activism than for his being a professional football player.


Still, if that is his chosen profession then he should be able to do it without prejudice despite his personal beliefs, which, as it turns out, are valid.

agreed. the whole 'hes not a good player' thing is just distraction from and minimization of his extremely valid point.



yep. nod

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guitarslinger44 said:


It's not a distraction though. I know you want to think it is, but look at Michael Vick, who still got resigned after serving prison time because he's a great QB and the Eagles thought his ability made it worth braving any drama. Kaepernick isn't on that level, so most teams decided it wasn't worth it. Maybe he'll improve and put himself in a position that he could say and do what he wants because he's that good, but I think he'd be better off quitting football and devoting himself to activism full time.

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Do you know for a fact that is what "most teams decided", or is that your opinion? Let's say that is the reason., it's an easy out for them to say that even if they black-balled him, isn't it?

He was drafted into the NFL so he must be good, not saying the best, but good enough to play in the NFL. If he is not given the opportunity to play or be on a team because of his activism then that is fucked up.


I do know that that's what most teams decided, because dude hasn't been re-signed by anyone lol Unless someone can prove that Goodell told teams not to sign him under a penalty of some kind, he didnt' get signed because every existing team decided he wasn't worth the risk.

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guitarslinger44 said:

cborgman said:

agreed. the whole 'hes not a good player' thing is just distraction from and minimization of his extremely valid point.


It's not a distraction though. I know you want to think it is, but look at Michael Vick, who still got resigned after serving prison time because he's a great QB and the Eagles thought his ability made it worth braving any drama. Kaepernick isn't on that level, so most teams decided it wasn't worth it. Maybe he'll improve and put himself in a position that he could say and do what he wants because he's that good, but I think he'd be better off quitting football and devoting himself to activism full time.

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vick getting resigned is just further proof of what is wrong with the NFL.

not saying youre using it as a distraction, but most of the people ive seen say the same also call him a fraud and so on, for no reason other they disagree with his point.

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guitarslinger44 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Do you know for a fact that is what "most teams decided", or is that your opinion? Let's say that is the reason., it's an easy out for them to say that even if they black-balled him, isn't it?

He was drafted into the NFL so he must be good, not saying the best, but good enough to play in the NFL. If he is not given the opportunity to play or be on a team because of his activism then that is fucked up.


I do know that that's what most teams decided, because dude hasn't been re-signed by anyone lol Unless someone can prove that Goodell told teams not to sign him under a penalty of some kind, he didnt' get signed because every existing team decided he wasn't worth the risk.

You do not "know," you just believe that is the *only* reason he was not resigned by any team. spit OK. rolleyes


Well, looks like Favre disagrees with you and I am going with someone who probably knows more about the NFL than you. lol

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cborgman said:

guitarslinger44 said:


It's not a distraction though. I know you want to think it is, but look at Michael Vick, who still got resigned after serving prison time because he's a great QB and the Eagles thought his ability made it worth braving any drama. Kaepernick isn't on that level, so most teams decided it wasn't worth it. Maybe he'll improve and put himself in a position that he could say and do what he wants because he's that good, but I think he'd be better off quitting football and devoting himself to activism full time.

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vick getting resigned is just further proof of what is wrong with the NFL.

not saying youre using it as a distraction, but most of the people ive seen say the same also call him a fraud and so on, for no reason other they disagree with his point.


I think there's a lot wrong with the NFL, but I think Vick getting signed because of his ability isnt of them. He paid his debt to society and has been doing really well, and I would say that's a success story.


Like I said, I think what Kaepernick did took balls and is admirable, but much like what people say about people not being immune to the consequences of free speech, he isn't either. Unfortunately, this is just an example of that.

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guitarslinger44 said:


I do know that that's what most teams decided, because dude hasn't been re-signed by anyone lol Unless someone can prove that Goodell told teams not to sign him under a penalty of some kind, he didnt' get signed because every existing team decided he wasn't worth the risk.

You truly believe that is the *only* reason he was not resigned by any team? spit OK......


I believe he's not a good enough player for teams to believe he's worth the drama they'd catch for signing him. I've said that several times now. You're the one that doesn't want to believe it.

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guitarslinger44 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

You truly believe that is the *only* reason he was not resigned by any team? spit OK......


I believe he's not a good enough player for teams to believe he's worth the drama they'd catch for signing him. I've said that several times now. You're the one that doesn't want to believe it.


Well, looks like Favre disagrees with you and I am going with someone who probably knows more about the NFL than you. lol

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guitarslinger44 said:

cborgman said:

vick getting resigned is just further proof of what is wrong with the NFL.

not saying youre using it as a distraction, but most of the people ive seen say the same also call him a fraud and so on, for no reason other they disagree with his point.


I think there's a lot wrong with the NFL, but I think Vick getting signed because of his ability isnt of them. He paid his debt to society and has been doing really well, and I would say that's a success story.


Like I said, I think what Kaepernick did took balls and is admirable, but much like what people say about people not being immune to the consequences of free speech, he isn't either. Unfortunately, this is just an example of that.

im not sure 18 months in prison is really paying debt to society for the terrible things he did, especially for a multi-millionaire.

he got a slap on the wrist, and is right back where he was. its kind of disgusting.

its a "success story" in the sense a multi-milllionaire got away with vicious crimes with little to no damage, sure. happens all the time for multi-millionares, actually. it is a prime example of an american success story, for sure.

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guitarslinger44 said:


I believe he's not a good enough player for teams to believe he's worth the drama they'd catch for signing him. I've said that several times now. You're the one that doesn't want to believe it.


Well, looks like Favre disagrees with you and I am going with someone who probably knows more about the NFL than you. lol


Favre never said he was a great player, he just said he deserves another chance. If anything, I think it's telling that Favre didn't mention his playing ability at all, but you do you, cuz I know you will anyway.

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guitarslinger44 said:


I think there's a lot wrong with the NFL, but I think Vick getting signed because of his ability isnt of them. He paid his debt to society and has been doing really well, and I would say that's a success story.


Like I said, I think what Kaepernick did took balls and is admirable, but much like what people say about people not being immune to the consequences of free speech, he isn't either. Unfortunately, this is just an example of that.

im not sure 18 months in prison is really paying debt to society for the terrible things he did, especially for a multi-millionaire.

he got a slap on the wrist, and is right back where he was. its kind of disgusting.

its a "success story" in the sense a multi-milllionaire got away with vicious crimes with little to no damage, sure. happens all the time for multi-millionares, actually. it is a prime example of an american success story, for sure.

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Well, that's your opinion, and that's fine, but the justice system decided it was good. He did something serious and got signed again after he did his time BECAUSE he's a great player. Kaepernick isn't, and the fact that he hasn't been signed again despite being the face of a Nike ad and being considered a hero speaks to that.

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guitarslinger44 said:

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Well, looks like Favre disagrees with you and I am going with someone who probably knows more about the NFL than you. lol


Favre never said he was a great player, he just said he deserves another chance. If anything, I think it's telling that Favre didn't mention his playing ability at all, but you do you, cuz I know you will anyway.




Do you think every NFL team member is a great player?

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guitarslinger44 said:


Favre never said he was a great player, he just said he deserves another chance. If anything, I think it's telling that Favre didn't mention his playing ability at all, but you do you, cuz I know you will anyway.




Do you think every NFL team member is a great player?


No. Most of them aren't. Are they good? Sure, you have to be to get signed, but there are tons of players who nobody ever hears of because the stars are the 1% of players in pretty much all sports.

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guitarslinger44 said:

cborgman said:

im not sure 18 months in prison is really paying debt to society for the terrible things he did, especially for a multi-millionaire.

he got a slap on the wrist, and is right back where he was. its kind of disgusting.

its a "success story" in the sense a multi-milllionaire got away with vicious crimes with little to no damage, sure. happens all the time for multi-millionares, actually. it is a prime example of an american success story, for sure.

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Well, that's your opinion, and that's fine, but the justice system decided it was good. He did something serious and got signed again after he did his time BECAUSE he's a great player. Kaepernick isn't, and the fact that he hasn't been signed again despite being the face of a Nike ad and being considered a hero speaks to that.

both speak to the absolute awfulness of the NFL.

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cborgman said:

guitarslinger44 said:


Well, that's your opinion, and that's fine, but the justice system decided it was good. He did something serious and got signed again after he did his time BECAUSE he's a great player. Kaepernick isn't, and the fact that he hasn't been signed again despite being the face of a Nike ad and being considered a hero speaks to that.

both speak to the absolute awfulness of the NFL.




yeah - bottom line, the NFL only cares about $$$ - they could care less about much else much less social and moral decency.

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