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Reply #150 posted 06/28/20 7:57am

TweetyV6

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DiminutiveRocker said:

TweetyV6 said:

So?

If you test more, you'll find more.
Like brightening a dimmed light in a dark room: make it brighter, you'll see more.

Question you should ask yourselves: does the number of 'corona deaths' rise in the same ratio?

As far as I can find: No.


But hey... it's well known in here that some of you have difficulties in reading tables and/or graphs. lol lol



rolleyes

We read them when they have something important, accurate and interesting to report - which takes yours out of the running.


Apparently, you don't.

Arizona: No significant rise in # of deaths
Florida: Same...

All of USA: Steady decline in daily deaths for 2 months now.... NO 2nd SPIKE

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Reply #151 posted 06/28/20 8:06am

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TweetyV6 said:

PennyPurple said:

If masks don't make a difference, then why do Dr's and Nurses wear them during surgeries?


To avoid that THEY(!!) don't infect (Bacteria, not virusses!!) the person who's lying on the surgery table and/or contaminate the surgery room.

They have special medical grade, certified masks, which they don't touch and dispose of once they're done/once the time to use them has passed.

These are effective. Scientifically proven to be.


The flimsy china things most of the people wear to protect themselves from getting infected with corona are useless. They aren't sterile and if you wear them for hours, they become hazardous to your own health.

It's fake safety.

They don't become hazardous to your health if you where them for hours.

It is not fake safety, Dr.'s and Nurses wear them to stop and slow the spread of infection. To help keep the patient safe and to help keep themselves safe.



There were 2 hair dressers in Springfield, Missouri who had Covid, but because they wore a mask and made customers wear a mask, not 1 single person got infected.



So wearing masks does work.

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Reply #152 posted 06/28/20 8:08am

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TweetyV6 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


rolleyes

We read them when they have something important, accurate and interesting to report - which takes yours out of the running.


Apparently, you don't.

Arizona: No significant rise in # of deaths
Florida: Same...

All of USA: Steady decline in daily deaths for 2 months now.... NO 2nd SPIKE

lol The US is going thru a 2nd spike right now. You are equating no rise in deaths to no 2nd spike.

It doesn't work that way.

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Reply #153 posted 06/28/20 8:25am

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PennyPurple said:

TweetyV6 said:

Apparently, you don't.

Arizona: No significant rise in # of deaths
Florida: Same...

All of USA: Steady decline in daily deaths for 2 months now.... NO 2nd SPIKE

lol The US is going thru a 2nd spike right now. You are equating no rise in deaths to no 2nd spike.

It doesn't work that way.

There is a 2nd spike in daily infections.
That MUST lead to a 2nd spike in deaths.

It doesn't.

The only other explanation is that the method of measuring has changed.
Most probably the amount of tests taken has increased. That will lead to more positive results.

If the police measures the speed of trafic for 1 hour they find x vehicles that speed.
If they increase the amount of measurements (e.g. by doing it for 2 hours) they will absolutely find a larger amount of speeding vehicles.

But that doesn't mean that the amount of accidents on that road will also increase.


What you don't measure (and thus don't see) doesn't mean that it isn't there. rolleyes

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Reply #154 posted 06/28/20 8:47am

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TweetyV6 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


rolleyes

We read them when they have something important, accurate and interesting to report - which takes yours out of the running.


Apparently, you don't.

Arizona: No significant rise in # of deaths
Florida: Same...

All of USA: Steady decline in daily deaths for 2 months now.... NO 2nd SPIKE


Apparently, you have no idea what you are talking about.


The statistics are showing that younger people are getting the virus - so that would not show a spike in deaths because most can survive it, but they can ALSO transmit it to those who are vulnerable. What aren't you getting? Transmissions are SPIKING. rolleyes


Look at NY, they did it right they followed the data and people complied by social distancing, staying home as much as possible and weairng masks. rolleyes




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Reply #155 posted 06/28/20 8:56am

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TweetyV6 said:

PennyPurple said:

lol The US is going thru a 2nd spike right now. You are equating no rise in deaths to no 2nd spike.

It doesn't work that way.

There is a 2nd spike in daily infections.
That MUST lead to a 2nd spike in deaths.

It doesn't.

The only other explanation is that the method of measuring has changed.
Most probably the amount of tests taken has increased. That will lead to more positive results.

If the police measures the speed of trafic for 1 hour they find x vehicles that speed.
If they increase the amount of measurements (e.g. by doing it for 2 hours) they will absolutely find a larger amount of speeding vehicles.

But that doesn't mean that the amount of accidents on that road will also increase.


What you don't measure (and thus don't see) doesn't mean that it isn't there. rolleyes


No one has said there is a spike in deaths - there is a spike in infections and the more people who have it will spread it and the chances of the most vulnerable getting it increases. More infections mean more people in hospitals and that means the more taxing it is on the healthcare system. See, unlike the Netherlands, we care about our senior citizens, we care about the healthcare workers and we care about ALL the people who get the virus. It is an awful, debilitating virus - it is a deadly pathogen, and they are just beginning to see that it could have long term effects on those who survived it.

so again stfu with your condescending and often incorrect OPINION.

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Reply #156 posted 06/28/20 9:10am

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DiminutiveRocker said:

TweetyV6 said:

Apparently, you don't.

Arizona: No significant rise in # of deaths
Florida: Same...

All of USA: Steady decline in daily deaths for 2 months now.... NO 2nd SPIKE


Apparently, you have no idea what you are talking about.


The statistics are showing that younger people are getting the virus - so that would not show a spike in deaths because most can survive it, but they can ALSO transmit it to those who are vulnerable. What aren't you getting? Transmissions are SPIKING. rolleyes


Look at NY, they did it right they followed the data and people complied by social distancing, staying home as much as possible and weairng masks. rolleyes


nod They closed Miami Beaches and Texas too. Arizona and Oklahoma are a mess. New York is a damn hero.

What is not to get? These spikes are still from the 1st wave of the virus in different locations, there is no 2nd anything yet. As Cuomo said this morning, if they don't get this under control in the spiking states, we are in for a large National outbreak.

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Reply #157 posted 06/28/20 9:17am

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TweetyV6 said:

PennyPurple said:

If masks don't make a difference, then why do Dr's and Nurses wear them during surgeries?


To avoid that THEY(!!) don't infect (Bacteria, not virusses!!) the person who's lying on the surgery table and/or contaminate the surgery room.

They have special medical grade, certified masks, which they don't touch and dispose of once they're done/once the time to use them has passed.

These are effective. Scientifically proven to be.


The flimsy china things most of the people wear to protect themselves from getting infected with corona are useless. They aren't sterile and if you wear them for hours, they become hazardous to your own health.

It's fake safety.

You're right to some degree. If a person wears the same mask day in, day out, without washing it, or changing it, then they may be putting themselves at risk. Same if they constantly touch and fiddle with their masks. BUT overall, if mask wearing is present then you are protecting others from yourself; or in other words, you may not be protected by wearing a mask, but you are offering others protection. Therefore, if large numbers of people wear masks then you are being protected by others. Many asymptomatic carriers don't know they have the virus, so it's worth wearing a mask just in case. Just my twocents


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Reply #158 posted 06/28/20 9:20am

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TweetyV6 said:

PennyPurple said:

lol The US is going thru a 2nd spike right now. You are equating no rise in deaths to no 2nd spike.

It doesn't work that way.

There is a 2nd spike in daily infections.
That MUST lead to a 2nd spike in deaths.

It doesn't.

The only other explanation is that the method of measuring has changed.
Most probably the amount of tests taken has increased. That will lead to more positive results.

If the police measures the speed of trafic for 1 hour they find x vehicles that speed.
If they increase the amount of measurements (e.g. by doing it for 2 hours) they will absolutely find a larger amount of speeding vehicles.

But that doesn't mean that the amount of accidents on that road will also increase.


What you don't measure (and thus don't see) doesn't mean that it isn't there. rolleyes

There are many reasons deaths are falling. Mostly to do with lockdowns and us learning how to best treat the virus. We should not be complacent about a rise in cases not leading to a similar rise in deaths though - those people with positive results must isolate to protect the vulnerable and keep deaths down, otherwise the death rate will rise steeply.

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Reply #159 posted 06/28/20 9:32am

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Bottom line:

WEARING A MASK REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF DROPLETS BEING RELEASED AND THUS REDUCES THE TRANSMISSION OF THE VIRUS.

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Reply #160 posted 06/28/20 9:44am

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TweetyV6 said:

PennyPurple said:

If masks don't make a difference, then why do Dr's and Nurses wear them during surgeries?


To avoid that THEY(!!) don't infect (Bacteria, not virusses!!) the person who's lying on the surgery table and/or contaminate the surgery room.

They have special medical grade, certified masks, which they don't touch and dispose of once they're done/once the time to use them has passed.

These are effective. Scientifically proven to be.


The flimsy china things most of the people wear to protect themselves from getting infected with corona are useless. They aren't sterile and if you wear them for hours, they become hazardous to your own health.

It's fake safety.

This ^^^^ is where you fail to realize that we are not wearing masks to protect ourselves, but to protect others. The assumption is that we may all contract the virus (a-symptomatic or pre-symptomatic) and so we all wear masks and reduce the amount of droplets coming from ourselves and thus reduce the chance of infecting other fellow human beings in our communities. If everyone wears masks then we all protect each other from each other and reduce the tranmission of infection. How are you not getting this? The premise is the same as to why health workers wear masks - so they do not infect another with bacteria.



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Reply #161 posted 06/28/20 9:50am

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The spike is real:

The answer to the question of is there an actual spike or just an apparent spike is it is real and we know it is real because of hospitalizations and use of ventilators.

A person sick enough to be admited or put on a ventilator would not go unnoticed...



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Reply #162 posted 06/28/20 9:54am

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DiminutiveRocker said:

Bottom line:

WEARING A MASK REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF DROPLETS BEING RELEASED AND THUS REDUCES THE TRANSMISSION OF THE VIRUS.

the more layers the better... also glasses can help too... if your mask has a pocket use it... fold up a coffee filter or use a cut up bit of CLEAN vacume cleaner bags... sick or not wear a mask! it is not being a sheep... this is not an election year hoax... so what if 99% of people live... there is more than that with life long issues... not only that if 1% of planes crashed... would you still want to fly?


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Reply #163 posted 06/28/20 9:55am

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We are talking to someone who went to Italy right before it shutdown, stayed and went out to restaurants etc, then came back to the Netherlands spreading Covid-19 and coming down with it himself. wall

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Reply #164 posted 06/28/20 10:41am

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TweetyV6 said:

PennyPurple said:

lol The US is going thru a 2nd spike right now. You are equating no rise in deaths to no 2nd spike.

It doesn't work that way.

There is a 2nd spike in daily infections.
That MUST lead to a 2nd spike in deaths.

It doesn't.

The only other explanation is that the method of measuring has changed.
Most probably the amount of tests taken has increased. That will lead to more positive results.

If the police measures the speed of trafic for 1 hour they find x vehicles that speed.
If they increase the amount of measurements (e.g. by doing it for 2 hours) they will absolutely find a larger amount of speeding vehicles.

But that doesn't mean that the amount of accidents on that road will also increase.


What you don't measure (and thus don't see) doesn't mean that it isn't there. rolleyes

Just because there isn't a spike in daily deaths doesn't mean there isn't a spike in infections, you are right. BUT the US is spiking AGAIN. There is no doubt about it.

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Reply #165 posted 06/28/20 10:42am

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TweetyV6 said:


Wearing face masks is a farce

suuuure.

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Reply #166 posted 06/28/20 10:43am

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poppys said:

We are talking to someone who went to Italy right before it shutdown, stayed and went out to restaurants etc, then came back to the Netherlands spreading Covid-19 and coming down with it himself. wall

Yep.

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Reply #167 posted 06/28/20 10:44am

maplenpg

PennyPurple said:

TweetyV6 said:

There is a 2nd spike in daily infections.
That MUST lead to a 2nd spike in deaths.

It doesn't.

The only other explanation is that the method of measuring has changed.
Most probably the amount of tests taken has increased. That will lead to more positive results.

If the police measures the speed of trafic for 1 hour they find x vehicles that speed.
If they increase the amount of measurements (e.g. by doing it for 2 hours) they will absolutely find a larger amount of speeding vehicles.

But that doesn't mean that the amount of accidents on that road will also increase.


What you don't measure (and thus don't see) doesn't mean that it isn't there. rolleyes

Just because there isn't a spike in daily deaths doesn't mean there isn't a spike in infections, you are right. BUT the US is spiking AGAIN. There is no doubt about it.

Yup. And the increase in the number of tests is a good thing. It means you can take those with the virus out of society to prevent the disease spreading even further. No way should Trump be talking about slowing down the testing. If possible ramp it up even more - I wish the UK would test far more than it currently is, that's for sure.

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Reply #168 posted 06/28/20 10:46am

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PennyPurple said:

poppys said:

We are talking to someone who went to Italy right before it shutdown, stayed and went out to restaurants etc, then came back to the Netherlands spreading Covid-19 and coming down with it himself. wall

Yep.

apparently a mask couldnt have stopped him.

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Reply #169 posted 06/28/20 10:50am

OnlyNDaUsa

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PennyPurple said:

TweetyV6 said:

There is a 2nd spike in daily infections.
That MUST lead to a 2nd spike in deaths.

It doesn't.

The only other explanation is that the method of measuring has changed.
Most probably the amount of tests taken has increased. That will lead to more positive results.

If the police measures the speed of trafic for 1 hour they find x vehicles that speed.
If they increase the amount of measurements (e.g. by doing it for 2 hours) they will absolutely find a larger amount of speeding vehicles.

But that doesn't mean that the amount of accidents on that road will also increase.


What you don't measure (and thus don't see) doesn't mean that it isn't there. rolleyes

Just because there isn't a spike in daily deaths doesn't mean there isn't a spike in infections, you are right. BUT the US is spiking AGAIN. There is no doubt about it.

yeah Like I said: if it was just an apparent spike caused by more or different testing that would not cause a spike in hospitalizations or a spike in ventilator usage... the spike is real and this is NOT the seconds wave... this is still very much the first.

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Reply #170 posted 06/28/20 10:53am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

Just because there isn't a spike in daily deaths doesn't mean there isn't a spike in infections, you are right. BUT the US is spiking AGAIN. There is no doubt about it.

yeah Like I said: if it was just an apparent spike caused by more or different testing that would not cause a spike in hospitalizations or a spike in ventilator usage... the spike is real and this is NOT the seconds wave... this is still very much the first.

you are correct. the only place in america that might see a second wave any time soon is nyc, as i think were the only ones who actually did closing right and downed the curve.

our numbers are way down here. i dont know of any other cities in america that is true of.

the rest of america carried out sham closings they started way late, fought hard against, and didnt suceed at. NYC has barely begun phase 2 after 3.5 months. the rest of the country fought against phase 1, didnt really do any other phases, and reopened. and now its massively out of control because of it.

america as a whole hasnt even begun to curb the first wave (except nyc), and is blatantly obvious to all but those in denial. america wasted the opportunities they were given (except nyc) and are now going to be paying the price.

its actually really sad. but... 'murica. land of the free, home of the gasp wheeze gasp.

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Reply #171 posted 06/28/20 12:32pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

TweetyV6 said:

There is a 2nd spike in daily infections.
That MUST lead to a 2nd spike in deaths.

It doesn't.

The only other explanation is that the method of measuring has changed.
Most probably the amount of tests taken has increased. That will lead to more positive results.

If the police measures the speed of trafic for 1 hour they find x vehicles that speed.
If they increase the amount of measurements (e.g. by doing it for 2 hours) they will absolutely find a larger amount of speeding vehicles.

But that doesn't mean that the amount of accidents on that road will also increase.


What you don't measure (and thus don't see) doesn't mean that it isn't there. rolleyes


No one has said there is a spike in deaths - there is a spike in infections and the more people who have it will spread it and the chances of the most vulnerable getting it increases. More infections mean more people in hospitals and that means the more taxing it is on the healthcare system. See, unlike the Netherlands, we care about our senior citizens, we care about the healthcare workers and we care about ALL the people who get the virus. It is an awful, debilitating virus - it is a deadly pathogen, and they are just beginning to see that it could have long term effects on those who survived it.

so again stfu with your condescending and often incorrect OPINION.

And, it's not just deaths that we need to measure. Even if people "recover", many are left with severe, irreversible health issues.

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Reply #172 posted 06/28/20 12:46pm

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13cjk13 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


No one has said there is a spike in deaths - there is a spike in infections and the more people who have it will spread it and the chances of the most vulnerable getting it increases. More infections mean more people in hospitals and that means the more taxing it is on the healthcare system. See, unlike the Netherlands, we care about our senior citizens, we care about the healthcare workers and we care about ALL the people who get the virus. It is an awful, debilitating virus - it is a deadly pathogen, and they are just beginning to see that it could have long term effects on those who survived it.

so again stfu with your condescending and often incorrect OPINION.

And, it's not just deaths that we need to measure. Even if people "recover", many are left with severe, irreversible health issues.

true as well.


i dont understand why people thought and still think sticking our collective head in the sand and pretending it isnt a problem is gonna solve anything. look how much worse it made it.

and thats the problem. this country is led by a man and party who insist sticking our collective head in the sand will solve the problem.

its why we are now in the middle of a massive plague AND a massive recession AND almost on the edge of civil war. all of which are only going to get worse till the day trump leaves office.

because trump and the right think the answer to everything is stick our head in the sand and hope our ass doesnt catch fire from all the fires burning around us.

and theres several more fires that are about to break out, such as the detention camps.

worst presidency in america. we're to busy trying to keep confederate statues up and black people down to do anything about the disasters tearing the US apart.

thanks trump! youve nearly destroyed the country in less than 4 years.

what a great time to be an american. its jus sooooo great. great. great. great.


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Reply #173 posted 06/28/20 6:11pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

Just because there isn't a spike in daily deaths doesn't mean there isn't a spike in infections, you are right. BUT the US is spiking AGAIN. There is no doubt about it.

yeah Like I said: if it was just an apparent spike caused by more or different testing that would not cause a spike in hospitalizations or a spike in ventilator usage... the spike is real and this is NOT the seconds wave... this is still very much the first.

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Correct - the spike is real and it is not the second wave. As more states report that hospital resources are heading towards being overloaded it beggars belief that one person here is seeking yet again to dismiss this.

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As you say, this is not the second wave. It is as a result of relaxing restrictions too early. If this is not controlled then the second wave is coming.

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Reply #174 posted 06/28/20 6:30pm

IanRG

TweetyV6 said:

PennyPurple said:

lol The US is going thru a 2nd spike right now. You are equating no rise in deaths to no 2nd spike.

It doesn't work that way.

There is a 2nd spike in daily infections.
That MUST lead to a 2nd spike in deaths.

It doesn't.

The only other explanation is that the method of measuring has changed.
Most probably the amount of tests taken has increased. That will lead to more positive results.

If the police measures the speed of trafic for 1 hour they find x vehicles that speed.
If they increase the amount of measurements (e.g. by doing it for 2 hours) they will absolutely find a larger amount of speeding vehicles.

But that doesn't mean that the amount of accidents on that road will also increase.


What you don't measure (and thus don't see) doesn't mean that it isn't there. rolleyes

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No, a spike in infections does not mean that there MUST be a spike in deaths.

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You are demonstrating a lack of knowledge on statistics, logic and how viruses work. Firstly, the deaths follow 2 or more weeks behind. The rate of deaths depends on many different factors - age of the person - this is lowering. Knowledge of the health system in what to look for and prevent deaths in those with Covid19 - this is increasing so they know to look for. Changes in the virus over time - there is increasing evidence that the virus may be reducing in strength, a common process for viruses as generally the more deadly they are, the less they able to spread from live victims.

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You car analogy is incomplete and seriously flawed - anthropomorphic climate change denier flawed. To complete the analogy so it represents the facts: If you change how vehicles can handle the accidents, you can have more accidents but less deaths. If you improve the health system knowledge, access and processes to treate accident victims so they die less regularly, you can have more accidents but less deaths.

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Reply #175 posted 06/28/20 7:33pm

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Death rates should trend down even in a spike or 2nd wave as treatments get better over time

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Reply #176 posted 06/28/20 7:43pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Death rates should trend down even in a spike or 2nd wave as treatments get better over time

well, lets hope treatments get better. i think we are more likely to see a vaccination first, but thats unlikely to happen till early 2021 or more, and will be in short supply at first.

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Reply #177 posted 06/28/20 9:37pm

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cborgman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Death rates should trend down even in a spike or 2nd wave as treatments get better over time

well, lets hope treatments get better. i think we are more likely to see a vaccination first, but thats unlikely to happen till early 2021 or more, and will be in short supply at first.


I think it will (and should) be administered to healrh care workers and essential workers first. I am thinking Spring.

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Reply #178 posted 06/28/20 10:13pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

cborgman said:

well, lets hope treatments get better. i think we are more likely to see a vaccination first, but thats unlikely to happen till early 2021 or more, and will be in short supply at first.


I think it will (and should) be administered to healrh care workers and essential workers first. I am thinking Spring.

oh absolutely them first.

i was talking to my mom on the phone this afternoon.


its still a little hard to talk about, but they just diagnosed her with esophogial cancer, and want her to start chemo right away.

they want to send her to houston to get it, and houston is of course pretty much the worst place to be in a state that is now a massive hotspot and is gonna continue to get worse. and i think chemo really takes a toll on peoples immune system, if i remember right. so i was really urging her to choose somewhere other than houston.

i was saying its going to be like this (especially in texas) till at the absolute least jan when biden takes office, and even then theyre going to have to restart lockdown and do it right this time. so god only knows how long this is going to wage on. she was asking if they had found a vaccination for covid yet, as that would at least help protect her.

i was telling her it is fairly unlikely that a vaccination will happen till next year.

hard truth, but... yea. we are so completely and totally fucked as a nation right now. its gonna be like this till the day we kick trump out of the office, and even then the fixing of the damage is gonna take quite a while.

and the recent news with her isnt helping my outlook much.


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Reply #179 posted 06/28/20 11:10pm

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maplenpg said:

TweetyV6 said:

There is a 2nd spike in daily infections.
That MUST lead to a 2nd spike in deaths.

It doesn't.

The only other explanation is that the method of measuring has changed.
Most probably the amount of tests taken has increased. That will lead to more positive results.

If the police measures the speed of trafic for 1 hour they find x vehicles that speed.
If they increase the amount of measurements (e.g. by doing it for 2 hours) they will absolutely find a larger amount of speeding vehicles.

But that doesn't mean that the amount of accidents on that road will also increase.


What you don't measure (and thus don't see) doesn't mean that it isn't there. rolleyes

There are many reasons deaths are falling. Mostly to do with lockdowns and us learning how to best treat the virus. We should not be complacent about a rise in cases not leading to a similar rise in deaths though - those people with positive results must isolate to protect the vulnerable and keep deaths down, otherwise the death rate will rise steeply.


Nope.
There is no significant difference in the rise & decline of infections & deaths between countries which have had very different lock down approaches.

Data say NO!

Farr's law says that the pool of potential vicims has been minimized; those who were very likely to die when they would become infected, have died off. Hence the potential to die from Covid-19 is drastically minimised resulting in a normal excess death rate in most countries. Even the US.

The man of science has learned to believe in justification, not by faith, but by verification - Thomas Henry Huxley
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