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Reply #210 posted 06/14/20 5:46pm

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Buh Bye


At least seven Minneapolis police officers have resigned amid the protests over police brutality and racial inequality, and more than half a dozen are in the process of leaving, department officials told the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

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Reply #211 posted 06/14/20 5:51pm

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Buh Bye


At least seven Minneapolis police officers have resigned amid the protests over police brutality and racial inequality, and more than half a dozen are in the process of leaving, department officials told the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

and do you think thoes are the ones that are more or less likey to violate somone's rights? I am not sure...

also are you for defunding police? and if so how much?

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Reply #212 posted 06/14/20 6:38pm

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The Defund the police nonsense is something half baked. Sad to hear that Biden was on board.

I am fully on board to deep changes to policing which have been pointed out for ages. But those who ignorantly propose defunding the police without a plan of what to do next is the epitome of stupidity.

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A lot of these officers, most of which are good, would likely just walk away from the job and say good riddance. It's a dangerous and fucked up job anyhow.

Just as with those trying to dismatle Obamacare and start from scratch in creating something BRAND NEW, good luck getting that done in your lifetime. Some things are easier said than done.

There is something to be said with evoluton and itteration.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

PennyPurple said:

Buh Bye


At least seven Minneapolis police officers have resigned amid the protests over police brutality and racial inequality, and more than half a dozen are in the process of leaving, department officials told the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

and do you think thoes are the ones that are more or less likey to violate somone's rights? I am not sure...

also are you for defunding police? and if so how much?

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Reply #213 posted 06/14/20 7:49pm

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v10letblues said:

The Defund the police nonsense is something half baked. Sad to hear that Biden was on board.

I am fully on board to deep changes to policing which have been pointed out for ages. But those who ignorantly propose defunding the police without a plan of what to do next is the epitome of stupidity.

.

A lot of these officers, most of which are good, would likely just walk away from the job and say good riddance. It's a dangerous and fucked up job anyhow.

Just as with those trying to dismatle Obamacare and start from scratch in creating something BRAND NEW, good luck getting that done in your lifetime. Some things are easier said than done.

There is something to be said with evoluton and itteration.

6/14/20 18:41pm]

I have been calling for better training of police during arrestes to be more aware that many people when being cuffed, searched, and the rest that goes with being arrested may pull away or move or turn to ask a question or just to see what is going on and that is not resisting... it is a basic part of police traing to be practice the process on each other... and theys should all know it is not comfortable can be painful and a little scary *as you are off blance--by design--and have limited view of what is going on...

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Reply #214 posted 06/14/20 7:58pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

v10letblues said:

The Defund the police nonsense is something half baked. Sad to hear that Biden was on board.

I am fully on board to deep changes to policing which have been pointed out for ages. But those who ignorantly propose defunding the police without a plan of what to do next is the epitome of stupidity.

.

A lot of these officers, most of which are good, would likely just walk away from the job and say good riddance. It's a dangerous and fucked up job anyhow.

Just as with those trying to dismatle Obamacare and start from scratch in creating something BRAND NEW, good luck getting that done in your lifetime. Some things are easier said than done.

There is something to be said with evoluton and itteration.

I have been calling for better training of police during arrestes to be more aware that many people when being cuffed, searched, and the rest that goes with being arrested may pull away or move or turn to ask a question or just to see what is going on and that is not resisting... it is a basic part of police traing to be practice the process on each other... and theys should all know it is not comfortable can be painful and a little scary *as you are off blance--by design--and have limited view of what is going on...

translation: ignore the bad apple cops killing people.

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Reply #215 posted 06/14/20 8:02pm

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As Bill Maher said the other night, psychological testing should be the very FIRST step in the enrollment process for police forces
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Reply #216 posted 06/14/20 8:03pm

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jjhunsecker said:

As Bill Maher said the other night, psychological testing should be the very FIRST step in the enrollment process for police forces

T R U T H

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Reply #217 posted 06/14/20 8:04pm

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cborgman said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:




v10letblues said:


The Defund the police nonsense is something half baked. Sad to hear that Biden was on board.


I am fully on board to deep changes to policing which have been pointed out for ages. But those who ignorantly propose defunding the police without a plan of what to do next is the epitome of stupidity.


.


A lot of these officers, most of which are good, would likely just walk away from the job and say good riddance. It's a dangerous and fucked up job anyhow.


Just as with those trying to dismatle Obamacare and start from scratch in creating something BRAND NEW, good luck getting that done in your lifetime. Some things are easier said than done.


There is something to be said with evoluton and itteration.







I have been calling for better training of police during arrestes to be more aware that many people when being cuffed, searched, and the rest that goes with being arrested may pull away or move or turn to ask a question or just to see what is going on and that is not resisting... it is a basic part of police traing to be practice the process on each other... and theys should all know it is not comfortable can be painful and a little scary *as you are off blance--by design--and have limited view of what is going on...




translation: ignore the bad apple cops killing people.



Wait, you actually UNDERSTAND what was written? It seemed like it was just gibberish

Though I’m certain that’s his actual beliefs
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Reply #218 posted 06/14/20 8:08pm

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cborgman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I have been calling for better training of police during arrestes to be more aware that many people when being cuffed, searched, and the rest that goes with being arrested may pull away or move or turn to ask a question or just to see what is going on and that is not resisting... it is a basic part of police traing to be practice the process on each other... and theys should all know it is not comfortable can be painful and a little scary *as you are off blance--by design--and have limited view of what is going on...

translation: ignore the bad apple cops killing people.

not at all... the opposit is the case it taks away the over used "they resisted" excuse... stop lying about me... you and I agree on most cases. I just look at the whole picture you have a much more narrow view.

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Reply #219 posted 06/14/20 8:09pm

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jjhunsecker said:

cborgman said:

translation: ignore the bad apple cops killing people.

Wait, you actually UNDERSTAND what was written? It seemed like it was just gibberish Though I’m certain that’s his actual beliefs

i had to read it several times, and it seems to be him explaining how police are being taught in the policy academy he likely has never been to.

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Reply #220 posted 06/14/20 8:10pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

stop lying

falloff

irony

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Reply #221 posted 06/14/20 8:46pm

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cborgman said:

jjhunsecker said:

cborgman said: Wait, you actually UNDERSTAND what was written? It seemed like it was just gibberish Though I’m certain that’s his actual beliefs

i had to read it several times, and it seems to be him explaining how police are being taught in the policy academy he likely has never been to.

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it was poorly written... yes. I am saying police need to be better trained to recognise a normal reflex and other reactions from resisting.


That would reduce the issue of police over reacting.

I do not recall my training covering this issue... It needs to be and all existing officers should be trained up.

It would save lives: it seems some are not interested in that..

[Edited 6/14/20 20:49pm]

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Reply #222 posted 06/14/20 8:55pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

cborgman said:

i had to read it several times, and it seems to be him explaining how police are being taught in the policy academy he likely has never been to.

.

[Edited 6/14/20 20:14pm]

it was poorly written... yes. I am saying police need to be better trained to recognise a normal reflex and other reactions from resisting.


That would reduce the issue of police over reacting.

I do not recall my training covering this issue... It needs to be and all existing officers should be trained up.

It would save lives: it seems some are not interested in that..

[Edited 6/14/20 20:49pm]

you were a cop?

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Reply #223 posted 06/14/20 9:28pm

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cborgman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

it was poorly written... yes. I am saying police need to be better trained to recognise a normal reflex and other reactions from resisting.


That would reduce the issue of police over reacting.

I do not recall my training covering this issue... It needs to be and all existing officers should be trained up.

It would save lives: it seems some are not interested in that..

[Edited 6/14/20 20:49pm]

you were a cop?

maybe

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Reply #224 posted 06/14/20 9:29pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

cborgman said:

you were a cop?

maybe

that makes sooooooo much become clearer now.

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Reply #225 posted 06/15/20 4:38am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

cborgman said:

you were a cop?

maybe

lol faint


He was in the military.

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Reply #226 posted 06/15/20 4:38am

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cborgman said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:




cborgman said:



you were a cop?





maybe



that makes sooooo much become clearer now.


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Reply #227 posted 06/15/20 4:40am

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PennyPurple said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:




cborgman said:



you were a cop?





maybe



lol faint



He was in the military.


Exactly, and that’s different from being a city/state police officer. He has no experience about the latter.
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Reply #228 posted 06/15/20 4:44am

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So now, 2 black teenagers were arrested in Oklahoma for jaywalking.....


Seriously?? It is beyond me how some people don't think the cops are the problem. With all of this going on, you would think they'd stop doing this stupid shit.

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Reply #229 posted 06/15/20 4:54am

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cborgman said:



jjhunsecker said:


As Bill Maher said the other night, psychological testing should be the very FIRST step in the enrollment process for police forces

T R U T H


They get psychological testing, but apparently, those tests need to be more extensive. Even 911 operators get psychological testing. I think it’s a lack of not having experience of living among different racial/ethnic groups, and not knowing enough about their specific cultures. Many cops are put into communities where they only have stereotyped/limited views of specific groups.

If you look at the choice of who gets to live when it comes to many cops de-escalating a situation, example - whites vs Blacks. 9 times out of 10, the Black person will get shot/killed, whereas the White individuals life will more likely be speared, whether arrested or not. It’s the lack of respect/value many cops have for certain lives in this country, which is why Blacks have a higher chance of getting shot by cops, instead of their lives being speared.
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Reply #230 posted 06/15/20 5:01am

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So now, 2 black teenagers were arrested in Oklahoma for jaywalking.....



Seriously?? It is beyond me how some people don't think the cops are the problem. With all of this going on, you would think they'd stop doing this stupid shit.


There are thousands of situations like that. This is why Black parents have to give our children ‘the talk.’ To educate them in what to do when they have an encounter with a cop. It’s a matter of their survival, because there are also too many stories of bad cops, planting drugs on Blacks or falsely accusing them of resisting arrest/disorderly conduct, especially if they ask a cop why they are being stopped or for their badge numbers. Often times some cops do this to make their quotas, so they use communities of color as their bait/prey.
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Reply #231 posted 06/15/20 5:15am

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v10letblues said:

The Defund the police nonsense is something half baked. Sad to hear that Biden was on board.


I am fully on board to deep changes to policing which have been pointed out for ages. But those who ignorantly propose defunding the police without a plan of what to do next is the epitome of stupidity.


.


A lot of these officers, most of which are good, would likely just walk away from the job and say good riddance. It's a dangerous and fucked up job anyhow.


Just as with those trying to dismatle Obamacare and start from scratch in creating something BRAND NEW, good luck getting that done in your lifetime. Some things are easier said than done.


There is something to be said with evoluton and itteration.



I don’t think he’s against police reform. Many are taking ‘Defund the Police’ and running with that comment, and taking it as get rid of the police. To me it means, restructure pice departments and reallocate the funds to other agencies/organizations, that could deal with mental health, drug issues, homelessness, and other issues where it’s not the responsibility of police to handle. On top of, better training, multicultural education, more extensive psychological testing, etc.

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Reply #232 posted 06/15/20 5:28am

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2elijah said:

v10letblues said:

The Defund the police nonsense is something half baked. Sad to hear that Biden was on board.

I am fully on board to deep changes to policing which have been pointed out for ages. But those who ignorantly propose defunding the police without a plan of what to do next is the epitome of stupidity.

.

A lot of these officers, most of which are good, would likely just walk away from the job and say good riddance. It's a dangerous and fucked up job anyhow.

Just as with those trying to dismatle Obamacare and start from scratch in creating something BRAND NEW, good luck getting that done in your lifetime. Some things are easier said than done.

There is something to be said with evoluton and itteration.

I don’t think he’s against police reform. Many are taking ‘Defund the Police’ and running with that comment, and taking it as get rid of the police. To me it means, restructure pice departments and reallocate the funds to other agencies/organizations, that could deal with mental health, drug issues, homelessness, and other issues where it’s not the responsibility of police to handle. On top of, better training, multicultural education, more extensive psychological testing, etc.

I know how some have asuaged it to mean. And I get it. But the premise and the wording is unfortunate. It sounds like something concocted and named with specific intent on making demcrats and black lives matter look stupid.

We need not "run with something" just becasue it presented to us. We need to think critically, think for outrselves and examine how idiotic this message is.

It remids me of so-called progressives like "The Hill" or TYT" who in many ways seem like they are trying to hurt the democratic party in guise.

The democratic leadership itself finally had to tell top democrats not to forward the unfortunate term.

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Reply #233 posted 06/15/20 5:41am

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2elijah said:

PennyPurple said:

lol faint


He was in the military.

Exactly, and that’s different from being a city/state police officer. He has no experience about the latter.

oh, believe me... i realized there were 3 possible options in his answer:

1) he became a cop and was fired or quit
2) he applied and was rejected and has become the ultimate cop fanboy in response
3) he's lying: something that must constantly be considered when only speaks.

looks like it was 3.

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Reply #234 posted 06/15/20 6:06am

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2elijah said:

v10letblues said:

The Defund the police nonsense is something half baked. Sad to hear that Biden was on board.

I am fully on board to deep changes to policing which have been pointed out for ages. But those who ignorantly propose defunding the police without a plan of what to do next is the epitome of stupidity.

.

A lot of these officers, most of which are good, would likely just walk away from the job and say good riddance. It's a dangerous and fucked up job anyhow.

Just as with those trying to dismatle Obamacare and start from scratch in creating something BRAND NEW, good luck getting that done in your lifetime. Some things are easier said than done.

There is something to be said with evoluton and itteration.

I don’t think he’s against police reform. Many are taking ‘Defund the Police’ and running with that comment, and taking it as get rid of the police. To me it means, restructure pice departments and reallocate the funds to other agencies/organizations, that could deal with mental health, drug issues, homelessness, and other issues where it’s not the responsibility of police to handle. On top of, better training, multicultural education, more extensive psychological testing, etc.


That is exactly what it means. nod

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Reply #235 posted 06/15/20 6:15am

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another one last night...

(CNN) An Atlanta police officer shot and killed a man at a Wendy's drive-thru Friday night after he resisted arrest and struggled for an officer's Taser, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said in a statement. The GBI identified the slain man as Rayshard Brooks, 27, of Atlanta, who was African American. Friday, officers responded to a call at 10:33 p.m. about a man sleeping in a parked vehicle in the drive-thru, causing other customers to drive around it, the GBI said in a statement.


Police gave Brooks a field sobriety test, which he failed, the GBI said. He resisted arrest and struggled with officers, the GBI said. An officer drew his Taser and, witnesses said, the man grabbed it, the statement said. An officer then shot him. Brooks was taken to a hospital, where he died, the statement said. CNN affiliate WSB reports this is the 48th police shooting the GBI has investigated in 2020.


Medical examiner rules Rayshard Brooks’ death a homicide from two gunshot wounds in the back

Rayshard Brooks, the 27-year-old man from Atlanta whose fatal encounter with police officers has fueled ongoing protests against racism and police brutality, was killed by two gunshot wounds to the back, the Fulton County Medical Examiner ruled on Sunday. His manner of death is considered to be a homicide, CBS in Atlanta reports.

Since the shooting, protests in the Atlanta area have continued with increased intensity, and the city’s Chief of Police has resigned. Officer Rolfe has been fired, a police spokesperson said on Sunday, while the other officer on the scene has been placed on administrative leave.

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Reply #236 posted 06/15/20 6:32am

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cborgman said:



2elijah said:


PennyPurple said:


lol faint



He was in the military.



Exactly, and that’s different from being a city/state police officer. He has no experience about the latter.

oh, believe me... i realized there were 3 possible options in his answer:

1) he became a cop and was fired or quit
2) he applied and was rejected and has become the ultimate cop fanboy in response
3) he's lying: something that must constantly be considered when only speaks.

looks like it was 3.


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Reply #237 posted 06/15/20 6:35am

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poppys said:

cborgman said:

another one last night...

(CNN) An Atlanta police officer shot and killed a man at a Wendy's drive-thru Friday night after he resisted arrest and struggled for an officer's Taser, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said in a statement. The GBI identified the slain man as Rayshard Brooks, 27, of Atlanta, who was African American. Friday, officers responded to a call at 10:33 p.m. about a man sleeping in a parked vehicle in the drive-thru, causing other customers to drive around it, the GBI said in a statement.


Police gave Brooks a field sobriety test, which he failed, the GBI said. He resisted arrest and struggled with officers, the GBI said. An officer drew his Taser and, witnesses said, the man grabbed it, the statement said. An officer then shot him. Brooks was taken to a hospital, where he died, the statement said. CNN affiliate WSB reports this is the 48th police shooting the GBI has investigated in 2020.


Medical examiner rules Rayshard Brooks’ death a homicide from two gunshot wounds in the back

Rayshard Brooks, the 27-year-old man from Atlanta whose fatal encounter with police officers has fueled ongoing protests against racism and police brutality, was killed by two gunshot wounds to the back, the Fulton County Medical Examiner ruled on Sunday. His manner of death is considered to be a homicide, CBS in Atlanta reports.

Since the shooting, protests in the Atlanta area have continued with increased intensity, and the city’s Chief of Police has resigned. Officer Rolfe has been fired, a police spokesperson said on Sunday, while the other officer on the scene has been placed on administrative leave.


disbelief When did the lines blur between apprehend and kill? They'd been talking to him, he was drunk. He managed to wrestle out from under them and then he ran - so you chase him, not kill him!
Jesus Christ.

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DiminutiveRocker said:

poppys said:


Medical examiner rules Rayshard Brooks’ death a homicide from two gunshot wounds in the back

Rayshard Brooks, the 27-year-old man from Atlanta whose fatal encounter with police officers has fueled ongoing protests against racism and police brutality, was killed by two gunshot wounds to the back, the Fulton County Medical Examiner ruled on Sunday. His manner of death is considered to be a homicide, CBS in Atlanta reports.

Since the shooting, protests in the Atlanta area have continued with increased intensity, and the city’s Chief of Police has resigned. Officer Rolfe has been fired, a police spokesperson said on Sunday, while the other officer on the scene has been placed on administrative leave.


disbelief When did the lines blur between apprehend and kill? They'd been talking to him, he was drunk. He managed to wrestle out from under them and then he ran - so you chase him, not kill him!
Jesus Christ.

have you seen the full footage? he talked to them calmly and peacefully for 30 minutes, and they just keep haranging him.

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cborgman said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


disbelief When did the lines blur between apprehend and kill? They'd been talking to him, he was drunk. He managed to wrestle out from under them and then he ran - so you chase him, not kill him!
Jesus Christ.

have you seen the full footage? he talked to them calmly and peacefully for 30 minutes, and they just keep haranging him.


Admittedly I didn't. Is it captured on police body-cam footage? Can you hear them sepaking?
I saw the log shot of them chasing him and shooting him - Oh, and there was a long line of cars at the drive thru - WTF were they thinking shooting in that environment!?!?!?

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