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Reply #270 posted 06/15/20 1:12pm

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Reply #271 posted 06/15/20 1:43pm

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cborgman said:

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He was just driving by, and thought he would just drop in and follow the parade

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Reply #272 posted 06/15/20 2:04pm

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He was just driving by, and thought he would just drop in and follow the parade

and then mean ol' heather hayer who definitely wasnt "on her way to the candy store" deliberately blocked his car from leaving so an evil man could terrorize him with a water bottle.

the poor thing.

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Reply #273 posted 06/15/20 2:10pm

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meanwhile they just declared rayshard brooks murder a homicide and will likely be prosecuting.


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Reply #274 posted 06/15/20 2:10pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



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Yes - everything about it is wrong. A taser will not kill you. It would hurt if he shot it in the nuts of someone, but it wouldn't kill them. They had no reason to use deadly force. He was shot in the back for goodness sake, how could he have been a threat if he was shot in the back?

You don't need to kill people. There are many countries in the world where the police don't even have guns - there's a better way.

And it's been deemed a homicide. One day some of these cops might just get found guilty - the tide is turning.



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nod Tasers are not lethal weapons and do not require deadly force. Freaking run after the guy or chase him in the car - he is drunk, he is going to either fall or run out of steam.





but one could be used to obtain a deadly weapon and he did fire it at somepne with a gun... it is odd how he was armed and he did fire it at someone from whom he could get a deadly weapon ...after being tased and after fighting off two other men... and it is still not enough to even consider that it was a justified shooting.


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Reply #275 posted 06/15/20 2:18pm

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cborgman said:

meanwhile they just declared rayshard brooks murder a homicide and will be prosecuting.


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it is going to be very hard to convict... a fair and impartial; person would see in the video how he fought, how he took the taser, and how he turned and fired it at someone. There is more evidence yet to come but on its face... it will be a hard sale.

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Reply #276 posted 06/15/20 2:20pm

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2elijah said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

but one could be used to obtain a deadly weapon and he did fire it at somepne with a gun... it is odd how he was armed and he did fire it at someone from whom he could get a deadly weapon ...after being tased and after fighting off two other men... and it is still not enough to even consider that it was a justified shooting.

The mentality of some of this’d righties is the reason this country is so f’d up. If it was up to them, they’d take away everybody’s rights.

I am more of a libertarian... and I am not for taking away rights... i do think that this man chose in that moment to give up his rights when he turned and fired the taser at someone.

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Reply #277 posted 06/15/20 2:27pm

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[url]https://www.cnn.com/webview/us/live-news/george-floyd-protests-06-15-20/index.html[/utl]


What's in Atlanta's police reform orders

From CNN's Jamiel Lynch


“Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms said she has signed several administrative orders effective immediately on police use of force.

The orders call on the city’s Chief Operating Officer to coordinate with interim Police Chief Rodney Bryant to implement the reforms to the standard operating procedures and work rules concerning use of force, Bottoms said.

Here's what some of the orders do:

Officers are ordered to use only the amount of objectively reasonable force necessary to successfully protect themselves or others, to affect an arrest or bring an incident under control when dealing with members of the community, suspects, and detainees.

The orders also require the reporting of all use of deadly force by a police officer to the Citizens Review Board.

Atlanta Police must also adopt and implement a duty to intervene — whereby if a police officer sees another officer using force that is beyond reasonable under the circumstances, they are duty-bound to intervene and prevent that use of force, and must immediately report it.

“Our police officers are to be guardians, and not warriors within our communities,” Bottoms said. “
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Reply #278 posted 06/15/20 2:27pm

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cborgman said:

meanwhile they just declared rayshard brooks murder a homicide and will be prosecuting.


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GREAT!
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Reply #279 posted 06/15/20 2:28pm

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2elijah said:

[url]https://www.cnn.com/webview/us/live-news/george-floyd-protests-06-15-20/index.html[/utl] What's in Atlanta's police reform orders From CNN's Jamiel Lynch “Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms said she has signed several administrative orders effective immediately on police use of force. The orders call on the city’s Chief Operating Officer to coordinate with interim Police Chief Rodney Bryant to implement the reforms to the standard operating procedures and work rules concerning use of force, Bottoms said. Here's what some of the orders do: Officers are ordered to use only the amount of objectively reasonable force necessary to successfully protect themselves or others, to affect an arrest or bring an incident under control when dealing with members of the community, suspects, and detainees. The orders also require the reporting of all use of deadly force by a police officer to the Citizens Review Board. Atlanta Police must also adopt and implement a duty to intervene — whereby if a police officer sees another officer using force that is beyond reasonable under the circumstances, they are duty-bound to intervene and prevent that use of force, and must immediately report it. “Our police officers are to be guardians, and not warriors within our communities,” Bottoms said. “

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Reply #280 posted 06/15/20 2:29pm

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cborgman said:



2elijah said:


[url]https://www.cnn.com/webview/us/live-news/george-floyd-protests-06-15-20/index.html[/utl] What's in Atlanta's police reform orders From CNN's Jamiel Lynch “Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms said she has signed several administrative orders effective immediately on police use of force. The orders call on the city’s Chief Operating Officer to coordinate with interim Police Chief Rodney Bryant to implement the reforms to the standard operating procedures and work rules concerning use of force, Bottoms said. Here's what some of the orders do: Officers are ordered to use only the amount of objectively reasonable force necessary to successfully protect themselves or others, to affect an arrest or bring an incident under control when dealing with members of the community, suspects, and detainees. The orders also require the reporting of all use of deadly force by a police officer to the Citizens Review Board. Atlanta Police must also adopt and implement a duty to intervene — whereby if a police officer sees another officer using force that is beyond reasonable under the circumstances, they are duty-bound to intervene and prevent that use of force, and must immediately report it. “Our police officers are to be guardians, and not warriors within our communities,” Bottoms said. “

good starts



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Reply #281 posted 06/15/20 2:36pm

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Other police reforms taking place:
1 hr 18 min ago

[url]https://www.cnn.com/webview/us/live-news/george-floyd-protests-06-15-20/index.html[url]


NYPD will reassign roughly 600 anti-crime unit plainclothes officers


“The New York City Police Department will reassign roughly 600 anti-crime unit plainclothes officers into new roles effective immediately, Police Commissioner Dermot Shea announced at a news conference.

The officers will now work in “a variety of assignments including detective bureaus, neighborhood policing, and other assignments,” he said.

“This is a seismic shift in the culture in how the NYPD polices this great city. It will be felt immediately among the five district attorney’s offices. It will be felt immediately in the communities we protect,” Shea added.“
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Reply #282 posted 06/15/20 2:47pm

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2elijah said:

Other police reforms taking place: 1 hr 18 min ago [url]https://www.cnn.com/webview/us/live-news/george-floyd-protests-06-15-20/index.html[url] NYPD will reassign roughly 600 anti-crime unit plainclothes officers “The New York City Police Department will reassign roughly 600 anti-crime unit plainclothes officers into new roles effective immediately, Police Commissioner Dermot Shea announced at a news conference. The officers will now work in “a variety of assignments including detective bureaus, neighborhood policing, and other assignments,” he said. “This is a seismic shift in the culture in how the NYPD polices this great city. It will be felt immediately among the five district attorney’s offices. It will be felt immediately in the communities we protect,” Shea added.“

i just saw that. that group in particular was apparently really bad

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Reply #283 posted 06/15/20 3:13pm

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2elijah said:

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So now, 2 black teenagers were arrested in Oklahoma for jaywalking.....


Seriously?? It is beyond me how some people don't think the cops are the problem. With all of this going on, you would think they'd stop doing this stupid shit.

There are thousands of situations like that. This is why Black parents have to give our children ‘the talk.’ To educate them in what to do when they have an encounter with a cop. It’s a matter of their survival, because there are also too many stories of bad cops, planting drugs on Blacks or falsely accusing them of resisting arrest/disorderly conduct, especially if they ask a cop why they are being stopped or for their badge numbers. Often times some cops do this to make their quotas, so they use communities of color as their bait/prey. [Edited 6/15/20 5:02am]

In all honesty I'm a white parent and I gave each of my 3 kids the talk about the cops and what to do and not to do. I made extra sure I gave my 2 daughters the talk about how to stay safe from the freaky cops too.

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Reply #284 posted 06/15/20 3:21pm

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He was shot in the back twice (2 X's).. In the F'n BACK. Coward cops.

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Reply #285 posted 06/15/20 3:24pm

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PennyPurple said:

He was shot in the back twice (2 X's).. In the F'n BACK. Coward cops.


Yeah, apparently they do not seem trained to chase and apprehend, just to shoot dead. mad

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Reply #286 posted 06/15/20 3:28pm

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meanwhile they just declared rayshard brooks murder a homicide and will be prosecuting.


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Homicide declaration already posted this morning. Where do you see it is being prosecuted? This is all I can find.

Decision on possible charges could come Wednesday

CNN - Howard, the top prosecutor in Fulton County, said possible charges against Rolfe could include murder, felony murder or voluntary manslaughter. He said a decision could come by Wednesday.

"What we're trying to determine is, at that time, whether or not the officers felt their lives were in danger -- specifically officer Rolfe, whether or not he felt that Mr. Brooks, at that time, presented imminent harm of death or some serious physical injury," Howard said.

"Or the alternative is whether or not he fired the shot simply to capture him or some other reason. If that shot was fired for some reason other than to save that officer's life or to prevent injury to him or others, then that shooting is not justified under the law."

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Reply #287 posted 06/15/20 3:43pm

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poppys said:

cborgman said:

meanwhile they just declared rayshard brooks murder a homicide and will be prosecuting.


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Homicide declaration already posted this morning. Where do you see it is being prosecuted? This is all I can find.

Decision on possible charges could come Wednesday

CNN - Howard, the top prosecutor in Fulton County, said possible charges against Rolfe could include murder, felony murder or voluntary manslaughter. He said a decision could come by Wednesday.

"What we're trying to determine is, at that time, whether or not the officers felt their lives were in danger -- specifically officer Rolfe, whether or not he felt that Mr. Brooks, at that time, presented imminent harm of death or some serious physical injury," Howard said.

"Or the alternative is whether or not he fired the shot simply to capture him or some other reason. If that shot was fired for some reason other than to save that officer's life or to prevent injury to him or others, then that shooting is not justified under the law."

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fair. i assumed.

but also, theres no way he can argue a taser presented death or even serious injury. he also didnt even stop to think, as you can see in the video. charges will be coming.

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Reply #288 posted 06/15/20 3:44pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

PennyPurple said:

He was shot in the back twice (2 X's).. In the F'n BACK. Coward cops.


Yeah, apparently they do not seem trained to chase and apprehend, just to shoot dead. mad

thye killed a woman last night who tried to grab the taser. shot her 4 times including in the face

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Reply #289 posted 06/15/20 3:59pm

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cborgman said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


Yeah, apparently they do not seem trained to chase and apprehend, just to shoot dead. mad

thye killed a woman last night who tried to grab the taser. shot her 4 times including in the face

Maybe they thought she had a fake 20 dollar bill on her.

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Reply #290 posted 06/15/20 4:08pm

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cborgman said:



DiminutiveRocker said:




PennyPurple said:


He was shot in the back twice (2 X's).. In the F'n BACK. Coward cops.




Yeah, apparently they do not seem trained to chase and apprehend, just to shoot dead. mad



thye killed a woman last night who tried to grab the taser. shot her 4 times including in the face


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Reply #291 posted 06/15/20 4:10pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:



PennyPurple said:


He was shot in the back twice (2 X's).. In the F'n BACK. Coward cops.




Yeah, apparently they do not seem trained to chase and apprehend, just to shoot dead. mad


I finally saw the vid. When he ran he was nowhere close to that officer. The officer shot at him 3x at his back, and 2 of the bullets killed him. Homicide for sure.
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Reply #292 posted 06/15/20 4:33pm

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2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


Yeah, apparently they do not seem trained to chase and apprehend, just to shoot dead. mad

I finally saw the vid. When he ran he was nowhere close to that officer. The officer shot at him 3x at his back, and 2 of the bullets killed him. Homicide for sure. [Edited 6/15/20 16:12pm]

They SHOULD have chased him. Humiliation that he wriggled out from under them and grabbed the taser is what probably motivated them to shoot instead of chase. Their lives were not being threatened, there was no cause to use deadly force. None.

FFS, in a truly just world, George Floyd should have been the last we see of these kinds of murders.

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Reply #293 posted 06/15/20 4:36pm

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2elijah said:

cborgman said:

thye killed a woman last night who tried to grab the taser. shot her 4 times including in the face

What? Where?

my mistake. it was may of last year. pamela turner in baytown. i was reading stories of different murders of black folks by cop last night, and came across it. didnt check the date. my mistake and apologies.

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Reply #294 posted 06/15/20 4:37pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said: I finally saw the vid. When he ran he was nowhere close to that officer. The officer shot at him 3x at his back, and 2 of the bullets killed him. Homicide for sure. [Edited 6/15/20 16:12pm]

They SHOULD have chased him. Humiliation that he wriggled out from under them and grabbed the taser is what probably motivated them to shoot instead of chase. Their lives were not being threatened, there was no cause to use deadly force. None.

FFS, in a truly just world, George Floyd should have been the last we see of these kinds of murders.

[Edited 6/15/20 16:35pm]

in a just world, we wouldnt even be having these conversations.

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Reply #295 posted 06/15/20 4:39pm

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cborgman said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

They SHOULD have chased him. Humiliation that he wriggled out from under them and grabbed the taser is what probably motivated them to shoot instead of chase. Their lives were not being threatened, there was no cause to use deadly force. None.

FFS, in a truly just world, George Floyd should have been the last we see of these kinds of murders.

[Edited 6/15/20 16:35pm]

in a just world, we wouldnt even be having these conversations.



sigh ugh. I know.

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Reply #296 posted 06/15/20 4:48pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said: I finally saw the vid. When he ran he was nowhere close to that officer. The officer shot at him 3x at his back, and 2 of the bullets killed him. Homicide for sure. [Edited 6/15/20 16:12pm]

They SHOULD have chased him. Humiliation that he wriggled out from under them and grabbed the taser is what probably motivated them to shoot instead of chase. Their lives were not being threatened, there was no cause to use deadly force. None.

FFS, in a truly just world, George Floyd should have been the last we see of these kinds of murders.

[Edited 6/15/20 16:35pm]



am I wrong? did he or didn't he trun back and fire the taser befor being shot?

From what I can tell he was not shot until he fired the taser... that is a big issue to get over... not impossible... but it will be the MAIN question that the court will work out.

I tend to think he will get convicted...

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Reply #297 posted 06/15/20 4:54pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

They SHOULD have chased him. Humiliation that he wriggled out from under them and grabbed the taser is what probably motivated them to shoot instead of chase. Their lives were not being threatened, there was no cause to use deadly force. None.

FFS, in a truly just world, George Floyd should have been the last we see of these kinds of murders.

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am I wrong? did he or didn't he trun back and fire the taser befor being shot?

From what I can tell he was not shot until he fired the taser... that is a big issue to get over... not impossible... but it will be the MAIN question that the court will work out.

I tend to think he will get convicted...

again: if tasers are so deadly they justify killing someone who has one, then its time for the cops to not have them.

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Reply #298 posted 06/15/20 4:58pm

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cborgman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:



am I wrong? did he or didn't he trun back and fire the taser befor being shot?

From what I can tell he was not shot until he fired the taser... that is a big issue to get over... not impossible... but it will be the MAIN question that the court will work out.

I tend to think he will get convicted...

again: if tasers are so deadly they justify killing someone who has one, then its time for the cops to not have them.

maybe... I am for less than lethal tools... and the man did not just have one, he fired it (unless I am mistaken) and it was then that he was shot.

and by that logic cops should not have guns... are you for disarming police?

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Reply #299 posted 06/15/20 5:04pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

cborgman said:

again: if tasers are so deadly they justify killing someone who has one, then its time for the cops to not have them.

maybe... I am for less than lethal tools... and the man did not just have one, he fired it (unless I am mistaken) and it was then that he was shot.

and by that logic cops should not have guns... are you for disarming police?

its your stupid logic, only, not mine. im not the one declaring killing someone is justified if they have a taser or steal a confederate flag.

i think its utter nonsense and am pointing out the ridiculousness of your incessant need to justify cops killing people.

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