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George Floyd - Part 2 Discussion


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The 1st thread got wayyyyyy too long, etc. etc. etc.............. So this is Part 2.

Link to First thread: https://prince.org/msg/105/463277


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Reply #1 posted 06/06/20 11:17pm

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Protests seemed largely peaceful today. No arrests in my city - everyone feeling really good, really optmisitic.

GF service in North Carolina (ex-site of the 2020 Repbulican convention) - mass support there.


Has anyone been following George Floyd's brother Philonise? He is going to testify before Congress this Wednesday
https://news.yahoo.com/ge...54107.html

He also spoke to Biden and Voldemort, who did not let him get a word in edgewise:

Floyd's brother, Philonise Floyd, said his conversation with Trump went by "so fast."

"It was so fast. He didn't give me the opportunity to even speak. It was hard. I was trying to talk to him but he just kept like pushing me off like 'I don't want to hear what you're talking about.' I just told him I want justice. I said that I can't believe that they committed a modern-day lynching in broad daylight," Floyd said of the phone call with Trump.

"I can't stand for that, that hurt me. I just don't understand, man. Why we have to go through this? Why we gotta have all this pain, man?" he added.

Floyd, who was joined by his nephew Brandon Williams, said he also spoke on the phone with former Vice President Joe Biden, who is the presumptive Democratic nominee in the 2020 election. "I never had to beg a man before but I asked [Biden] could he please, please get justice for my brother, please," he said.

"Because I need it, I just don't want to see him on a shirt like those other guys. Nobody deserves that," Floyd added, before getting emotional and tearing up.

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Reply #2 posted 06/07/20 5:42am

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Thanks for sharing this picture. I actually feel much more hopeful than a week ago, as people who are probably not even Democrats have spoken out for Black Lives Matter. While some of this might be lip service, I also think there are some people who truly are getting it for the first time. I live and work in an extremely conservative area (Trump won the whole area by about 20% and the lilly white area where I work by about 40%). Nevertheless, almost all the young people I have been working with have mentioned things such as "How do I join Black Lives Matter?", "How do I get to my grandmother to understand the rage?", "I need transportation to the next march" and so forth. A black woman who I work with said she reached a lot of people when she expressed with some white colleagues the immense pain that she felt having to explain to her 7 year old granddaughter that some people will hate her because the color of her skin. So, I think the narrative that the right was trying to spin - that the marches are just a bunch of people who want to be violent and loot- is getting to look really ridiculous given what happening. One other positive note is that there is learning for the police in how the protests are so much more peaceful when they look and act like the protesters aren't the enemy. One example of this is in East St. Louis, which was riot torn due to police racism a couple of years ago, had completely peaceful protests with the police escorting by marching with them at the rear end. Anti-racism should and needs to be a universal value and not a political one. Otherwise, we will always only about 50% who are anti-racist.

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Thanks Dimi. I’m sure they’ll be more protests today. I admire the people/protesters who don’t allow others to silence them about speaking out against racial injustices/police brutality, not the cowards who try to silence or shut them down. I’m also not surprised about Mr. Floyd’s phone call experience with trump.
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Thanks for sharing this picture. I actually feel much more hopeful than a week ago, as people who are probably not even Democrats have spoken out for Black Lives Matter. While some of this might be lip service, I also think there are some people who truly are getting it for the first time. I live and work in an extremely conservative area (Trump won the whole area by about 20% and the lilly white area where I work by about 40%). Nevertheless, almost all the young people I have been working with have mentioned things such as "How do I join Black Lives Matter?", "How do I get to my grandmother to understand the rage?", "I need transportation to the next march" and so forth. A black woman who I work with said she reached a lot of people when she expressed with some white colleagues the immense pain that she felt having to explain to her 7 year old granddaughter that some people will hate her because the color of her skin. So, I think the narrative that the right was trying to spin - that the marches are just a bunch of people who want to be violent and loot- is getting to look really ridiculous given what happening. One other positive note is that there is learning for the police in how the protests are so much more peaceful when they look and act like the protesters aren't the enemy. One example of this is in East St. Louis, which was riot torn due to police racism a couple of years ago, had completely peaceful protests with the police escorting by marching with them at the rear end. Anti-racism should and needs to be a universal value and not a political one. Otherwise, we will always only about 50% who are anti-racist.



















It all depends on people making the effort to educate themselves about the various racial, ethnic, religious communities, including learning about the various cultures of many of those groups within our society. Also, learning to respect and accept them, as all humans should be treated the way we all want to be treated, accepted and respected. It’s not even about what political party one supports, it’s more about what’s in an individual’s spirit and heart, and how they display that towards others.

One thing for sure, is that there has never been a supreme race based on skin color. That’s a false ideology that has caused so much destruction, division and hate all over the globe. I expect that positive change will be gradual and hope it leads to a better society, because it’s long overdue.
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Reply #5 posted 06/07/20 6:39am

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gandorb said:

Thanks for sharing this picture. I actually feel much more hopeful than a week ago, as people who are probably not even Democrats have spoken out for Black Lives Matter. While some of this might be lip service, I also think there are some people who truly are getting it for the first time.

I live and work in an extremely conservative area (Trump won the whole area by about 20% and the lilly white area where I work by about 40%). Nevertheless, almost all the young people I have been working with have mentioned things such as "How do I join Black Lives Matter?", "How do I get to my grandmother to understand the rage?", "I need transportation to the next march" and so forth. A black woman who I work with said she reached a lot of people when she expressed with some white colleagues the immense pain that she felt having to explain to her 7 year old granddaughter that some people will hate her because the color of her skin.

So, I think the narrative that the right was trying to spin - that the marches are just a bunch of people who want to be violent and loot- is getting to look really ridiculous given what happening.

One other positive note is that there is learning for the police in how the protests are so much more peaceful when they look and act like the protesters aren't the enemy. One example of this is in East St. Louis, which was riot torn due to police racism a couple of years ago, had completely peaceful protests with the police escorting by marching with them at the rear end. Anti-racism should and needs to be a universal value and not a political one. Otherwise, we will always only about 50% who are anti-racist.

Great post gandorb. Just curious, are you still living in Louisiana?


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Heard something on the news this morning, that the powers that be in PD departments, that they are starting to blame all of this on the lack of funding??..of course they would think that way, the sly bastards.


This problem doesn't stem from lack of funding. SMDH.


How about they start with the cops who have complaints against them, to dig into those and get rid of those cops. I mean this cop had 18 complaints against him. WTH?

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Reply #7 posted 06/07/20 6:47am

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‘Incredibly Powerful’: Eleventh Day of George Floyd Protests Is the Biggest Yet

Tens of thousands turned out to protest inequality and police brutality. But, in Buffalo, police cheered for colleagues charged with second-degree assault.


Drew Angerer/Getty

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Reply #8 posted 06/07/20 7:01am

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PennyPurple said:

Heard something on the news this morning, that the powers that be in PD departments, that they are starting to blame all of this on the lack of funding??..of course they would think that way, the sly bastards.


This problem doesn't stem from lack of funding. SMDH.


How about they start with the cops who have complaints against them, to dig into those and get rid of those cops. I mean this cop had 18 complaints against him. WTH?


independent.com Los Angeles officials have proposed sweeping cuts to the city’s annual budget and police department while calling for that money to be invested in marginalized communities after nationwide protests over the death of George Floyd.

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Nationwide protests over the Minneapolis police killing of George Floyd, the latest in a long string of high-profile slayings of black men by white officers, have featured a common rallying cry: “Defund the police.”

The movement predates the current protests and is driven both by anger at the militarized posture of many U.S. police departments and by the recognition they are being called on to confront social ills including addiction, mental illness and homelessness that, advocates say, could be better addressed by spending on social services and rethinking what behaviors should be considered crimes.

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Reply #9 posted 06/07/20 7:11am

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Trump Reverses Obama Policy on Surplus Military Gear for Police

Aug. 28, 2017, 7:04 AM PDT / Updated Aug. 28, 2017, 10:27 AM PDT
nbc.com

WASHINGTON — Reversing an Obama-era policy, President Donald Trump Monday removed restrictions on the kinds of surplus military gear the Defense Department can turn over to local police departments.

The issue has been a sensitive one since the Justice Department concluded that tactics used by police during 2014's violent street protest in Ferguson, Missouri inflamed tensions and created fear among demonstrators.

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Law enforcement officers watch on during a protest on West Florissant Avenue in Ferguson, Missouri on August 18, 2014. Police fired tear gas in another night of unrest in a Missouri town where a white police officer shot and killed an unarmed black teenager, just hours after President Barack Obama called for calm.

6/6/20

NEW YORK (Reuters) - In cities across the United States this past week, protesters have been confronted by police carrying shields and batons and hulking armored vehicles that might look to some people like a scene straight out of a war zone.

A U.S. law allows the Department of Defense to transfer surplus military equipment to city and state law enforcement agencies across the country. The equipment given away has either been turned in by military units or held in reserve stocks until no longer needed.

Widespread protests against racial inequalities and excessive use of force by police following the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis with a white policeman's knee on his neck have revived a debate about equipment and tactics used by police

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Bristol (my hometown) never disappoints. Protestors pulled down a statue of city patron and slave trader Edward Colston, then knelt on its neck for 8 minutes, before rolling it to the dockside and throwwing it into the river. biggrin







Link: https://www.thesun.co.uk/...tol-river/

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Reply #11 posted 06/07/20 9:02am

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Bristol (my hometown) never disappoints. Protestors pulled down a statue of city patron and slave trader Edward Colston, then knelt on its neck for 8 minutes, before rolling it to the dockside and throwwing it into the river. biggrin

Link: https://www.thesun.co.uk/...tol-river/


WOW that is awesome deebee. Great photos. They know how to make a point!

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Reply #12 posted 06/07/20 9:40am

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poppys said:



gandorb said:




Thanks for sharing this picture. I actually feel much more hopeful than a week ago, as people who are probably not even Democrats have spoken out for Black Lives Matter. While some of this might be lip service, I also think there are some people who truly are getting it for the first time.

I live and work in an extremely conservative area (Trump won the whole area by about 20% and the lilly white area where I work by about 40%). Nevertheless, almost all the young people I have been working with have mentioned things such as "How do I join Black Lives Matter?", "How do I get to my grandmother to understand the rage?", "I need transportation to the next march" and so forth. A black woman who I work with said she reached a lot of people when she expressed with some white colleagues the immense pain that she felt having to explain to her 7 year old granddaughter that some people will hate her because the color of her skin.

So, I think the narrative that the right was trying to spin - that the marches are just a bunch of people who want to be violent and loot- is getting to look really ridiculous given what happening.

One other positive note is that there is learning for the police in how the protests are so much more peaceful when they look and act like the protesters aren't the enemy. One example of this is in East St. Louis, which was riot torn due to police racism a couple of years ago, had completely peaceful protests with the police escorting by marching with them at the rear end. Anti-racism should and needs to be a universal value and not a political one. Otherwise, we will always only about 50% who are anti-racist.





Great post gandorb. Just curious, are you still living in Louisiana?




Thank you. You have a good memory about Louisiana, which is where I was born and raised. I now live in East Tennessee.
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deebee said:

Bristol (my hometown) never disappoints. Protestors pulled down a statue of city patron and slave trader Edward Colston, then knelt on its neck for 8 minutes, before rolling it to the dockside and throwwing it into the river. biggrin







Link: https://www.thesun.co.uk/...tol-river/

whoa! clapping

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poppys said:

‘Incredibly Powerful’: Eleventh Day of George Floyd Protests Is the Biggest Yet

Tens of thousands turned out to protest inequality and police brutality. But, in Buffalo, police cheered for colleagues charged with second-degree assault.


Drew Angerer/Getty



Buffalo needs to wake up! heart this image above!

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Reply #15 posted 06/07/20 11:57am

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DiminutiveRocker said:

poppys said:

‘Incredibly Powerful’: Eleventh Day of George Floyd Protests Is the Biggest Yet

Tens of thousands turned out to protest inequality and police brutality. But, in Buffalo, police cheered for colleagues charged with second-degree assault.



Drew Angerer/Getty



Buffalo needs to wake up! heart this image above!


Yes ma'am, they do.

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Reply #16 posted 06/07/20 3:10pm

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Nice to see protests are fewer and calmer. And change is happening like the disbanding of the Minneapolis police department. Nice on Prince's Birthday. smile

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Reply #17 posted 06/07/20 5:27pm

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3rdeyedude said:

Nice to see protests are fewer and calmer. And change is happening like the disbanding of the Minneapolis police department. Nice on Prince's Birthday. smile

Fewer? There are more and more. All peaceful.

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Reply #18 posted 06/07/20 11:36pm

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deebee said:

Bristol (my hometown) never disappoints. Protestors pulled down a statue of city patron and slave trader Edward Colston, then knelt on its neck for 8 minutes, before rolling it to the dockside and throwwing it into the river. biggrin

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Link: https://www.thesun.co.uk/...tol-river/

It's a shame the government took the hard line with it, saying it's unacceptable vandalism yada yada. It would have been a great chance for the government to show empathy, that they were a party for the people, all people, but I expected no different from the Tories - it'll probably be back up in a few weeks

EDIT to add: The mayor of Bristol however is much more well-reasoned: https://twitter.com/SkyNe...7873440771

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DiminutiveRocker said:
Fewer? There are more and more. All peaceful.


Agree. There were many protests, in large cities like in DC and Manhattan, NYC on Saturday/Sunday. Many locally all over the country. Love how the protests have gone international. More this week. It”s about time people woke up and want to see change in this country. Unfortunately, it had to take someone losing their life for it to happen.
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The BLM movement has gotten more african americans killed than police this year. confused

https://twitter.com/i/status/1269660778505932800

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Found this report on police shootings/killings/imprisonment in America in comparison to other countries. Change definitely needed.



https://www.cnn.com/2020/...index.html

American police shoot, kill and imprison more people than other developed countries. Here's the data

By Rob Picheta and Henrik Pettersson, CNN
Updated 12:04 AM ET, Mon June 8, 2020

(CNN)Enough.

“That's the message from many of the protesters who have filled American cities for nearly two weeks, demanding justice for the death of George Floyd and seeking to end a litany of police killings of black Americans.
The protests have rippled across the United States and throughout the world, with activists streaming through the streets of many capital cities in solidarity with the movement.
Floyd was just one of the many Americans killed by police officers each year. But in other developed countries, such incidents are rare.

Statistical comparisons show that police in the US typically shoot, arrest and imprison more people than similarly developed nations.

Each nation listed below either accompanies the US in the G7 group of the world's most advanced economies, or is ranked similarly on global wealth, freedom and democracy indexes. But when it comes to policing and criminal justice, the US is a noticeable outlier, and black Americans are disproportionately affected.

Data on arrests, deaths and prison populations do not exist uniformly across developed countries, so it can be difficult to pinpoint exactly how the US fares in comparison to every nation. For instance, it is impossible to know exactly how many people die at the hands of police officers in the US each year: no single, nationwide database that contains such information exists.“
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Hmmm... hmmm This is surprising, and questionable:


https://www.cnn.com/2020/...index.html

Romney marches in Floyd protest 'to make sure people understand that black lives matter'

By Paul LeBlanc and Ted Barrett, CNN
Updated 9:05 PM ET, Sun June 7, 2020


(CNN)”Republican Sen. Mitt Romney on Sunday marched in a Washington, DC, protest after the death of George Floyd in a break from other GOP lawmakers who have largely aligned behind President Donald Trump's militarized response to nationwide unrest.

Romney told a Washington Post reporter that he was participating in the demonstration "to make sure that people understand that black lives matter." The Utah senator later tweeted a photo of himself at the protest with the caption "Black Lives Matter," becoming one of the most prominent GOP figures to do so.”
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I hope these peaceful protests continue worldwide.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/...index.html

Protests across the globe after George Floyd's death

Updated 4:13 AM ET, Mon June 8, 2020

As the protests continued in the United States for a second week in response to the killing of George Floyd, people around the world began to stand up with them. From London to Pretoria to Sydney, people took to the streets to express the need for police reform and racial equality. Many held signs that read "Black Lives Matter," while others kneeled. At some protests, marchers stood in silence for the amount of time Floyd struggled to breathe while police officers detained him.”
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2elijah said:

American police shoot, kill and imprison more people than other developed countries.

Not surprising at all.

The chance of encountering an armed suspect is much, much higher in the US than in any other developed country.

You can't compare the level of threat that an US cop encounters to a, let's say German cop.

That's a different league

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It will be interesting to see how this plays out. We definitely need police reform in this country.

https://www.cnn.com/us/li...index.html


George Floyd's family calls on UN to intervene in his case


“George Floyd's family has appealed to the United Nations to intervene in his case and to send recommendations for systemic police reform in the US, according to a press release.

In a June 3 letter to the UN Working Group on the Rights of People of African Descent, the family and civil rights attorney Ben Crump urged the UN to investigate Floyd’s death and encourage the US government to press federal criminal charges against the officers involved.

They requested reforms including de-escalating techniques, independent prosecutions and autopsies for every police killing.

(Edited for compliance)

“When a group of people of any nation have been systemically deprived of their universal human right to life by its government for decades, it must appeal to the international community for its support and to the United Nations for its intervention. We echo the words of [Ethiopian] Emperor Haile Selassie I in his 1963 speech to the United Nations in which he pledged to continue to fight for equality and justice, 'until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned … until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eye,'" said Crump.“
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The George Floyd protests is moving many in other countries to protest and expose the racial/social injustices within their countries as well, and helping to expose/raise awareness of similar injustices around the world. (Click link to continue reading)

https://www.bbc.com/news/...a-52900929


Indigenous deaths in custody: Why Australians are seizing on US protests
05 June 2020 Australia


“Anger over the death of George Floyd has spread to Australia, with Black Lives Matter protests being held across the country.

But Australian demonstrators are not just expressing solidarity. Many are using the moment to vent fury about indigenous deaths in custody in Australia. So what is the situation?

How many indigenous Australians have died in custody?

Almost three decades on from a major inquiry into this issue, there is no easily accessible record.

In 1987, the Committee to Defend Black Rights found that one indigenous person was dying in custody every 11 days. It spurred a royal commission, completed in 1991, which investigated the incarceration of Aboriginal people and the circumstances of 99 deaths.”

(Edited for compliance)
Are Aboriginal Australians disproportionately jailed?

Massively. Indigenous people comprise almost 30% of Australian inmates but less than 3% of the national population, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

This is about four times higher than the proportion of African-Americans jailed in the US.

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2elijah said:

Found this report on police shootings/killings/imprisonment in America in comparison to other countries. Change definitely needed. https://www.cnn.com/2020/...index.html American police shoot, kill and imprison more people than other developed countries. Here's the data By Rob Picheta and Henrik Pettersson, CNN Updated 12:04 AM ET, Mon June 8, 2020 (CNN)Enough. “That's the message from many of the protesters who have filled American cities for nearly two weeks, demanding justice for the death of George Floyd and seeking to end a litany of police killings of black Americans. The protests have rippled across the United States and throughout the world, with activists streaming through the streets of many capital cities in solidarity with the movement. Floyd was just one of the many Americans killed by police officers each year. But in other developed countries, such incidents are rare. Statistical comparisons show that police in the US typically shoot, arrest and imprison more people than similarly developed nations. Each nation listed below either accompanies the US in the G7 group of the world's most advanced economies, or is ranked similarly on global wealth, freedom and democracy indexes. But when it comes to policing and criminal justice, the US is a noticeable outlier, and black Americans are disproportionately affected. Data on arrests, deaths and prison populations do not exist uniformly across developed countries, so it can be difficult to pinpoint exactly how the US fares in comparison to every nation. For instance, it is impossible to know exactly how many people die at the hands of police officers in the US each year: no single, nationwide database that contains such information exists.“ [Edited 6/8/20 4:13am]


Yes. It's like we all know it's happening until incidents are recorded like Floyd or Aubery or even Rodney King, and then released in the media. But these cases are just the tip of the iceberg of the abuse that takes place.

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https://www.cnn.com/us/li...index.html

2 hr 59 min ago
Derek Chauvin will appear in court for the first time on two-week anniversary of George Floyd's death

From CNN's Christina Maxouris

“The third and final memorial service for George Floyd will be held Monday in Houston, the city he grew up in before moving to Minneapolis, where he died at the hands of a police officer.

Ex-Minneapolis officer Derek Chauvin, the officer who is seen on video kneeling on Floyd’s neck, is charged with second-degree murder, which comes with a maximum sentence of 40 years.”
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deebee said:

Bristol (my hometown) never disappoints. Protestors pulled down a statue of city patron and slave trader Edward Colston, then knelt on its neck for 8 minutes, before rolling it to the dockside and throwwing it into the river. biggrin

It's a shame the government took the hard line with it, saying it's unacceptable vandalism yada yada. It would have been a great chance for the government to show empathy, that they were a party for the people, all people, but I expected no different from the Tories - it'll probably be back up in a few weeks

EDIT to add: The mayor of Bristol however is much more well-reasoned: https://twitter.com/SkyNe...7873440771

[Edited 6/8/20 0:55am]

They'll have to fish it out of the docks first! lol I don't think it'll go back up, though. This issue has been a thorn in Bristol's side for a while now, with attempts to rename the concert venue the Colston Hall and publicly acknowledge the role of the great and the good of the city in the slave trade dragging on for more than a decade, due to the intransigence of interest groups with the city council's ear. Attempts even to change the wording on the plaque, saying that Colston was "one of the most virtuous and wise sons of th[e] city" were blocked. (Good account of that here.) I suspect that they may leave Teddy in the docks, or put him in a museum.

They've said they'll keep the placards laid around the empty plinth and put them into a museum exhibit too.

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