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Reply #390 posted 06/19/20 8:48am

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Very good article: https://www.cnn.com/2020/...index.html White dad with Black kids: George Floyd was my wake-up call Opinion by Arick Wierson[/b] Updated 6:11 AM ET, Fri June 19, 2020 “It wasn't until the next morning that I first saw the video clips of then-Officer Derek Chauvin pinning a handcuffed and defenseless Black man to the ground. As I watched the video detailing the moments during which Floyd was killed, my life changed forever.“ (Click link to continue reading)


WOW - thanks for posting. Good insight from a privleged white dad who didn't experience this kind of racism before he moved back to the US. Geez, what does that tell us?

Since moving with me back to the United States in 2016, my wife had endured a number of -- if not dangerous -- extremely uncomfortable interactions with law enforcement, all of them ultimately stemming from her being a Black woman who drives a nice car in an overwhelmingly White, upper-class community. On each occasion, instead of confronting the systemic issues at play, I chose to chalk up the incident to an individual misunderstanding or somehow justify them in my own head as derivative of other mitigating circumstances.


He was in denial for a while until he saw what happened to George Floyd.
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Reply #391 posted 06/19/20 8:49am

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Reply #392 posted 06/19/20 8:50am

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Re: George Floyd on the New Yorker - Powerful cover. Noticed how George Floyd is blotting out part of the magazine's name. It's just THAT important. The cover artist is Kadir Nelson. The title of the piece is "Say Their Names".


[Edited 6/19/20 8:00am]



It’s heartbreaking to see all the victims in that image, but a reminder that their lives mattered.



https://www.laweekly.com/...RL6JQ2TbA0

In my neighborhood there are dozens and dozens of names of those who have died by police brutality woven into a chain link fence that surrounds a reservoir - it is 2.4 miles long. I get a lump in my throat and emotional when I drive/walk by it.








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Reply #393 posted 06/19/20 11:58am

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It’s about time..


https://www.courier-journ...222004001/


Officer Brett Hankison being fired from Louisville police after Breonna Taylor shooting

Darcy Costello
Tessa Duvall
Louisville Courier Journal


“LOUISVILLE, Ky. — Mayor Greg Fischer announced Friday that Louisville Metro Police is initiating termination of Officer Brett Hankison, one of three LMPD officers to fire weapons on March 13 at Breonna Taylor's apartment, killing her.

Hankison is accused by the department's interim chief, Robert Schroeder, of "blindly" firing 10 rounds into Taylor's apartment, creating a substantial danger of death and serious injury. “
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Reply #394 posted 06/19/20 12:02pm

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It’s about time.. https://www.courier-journ...222004001/ Officer Brett Hankison being fired from Louisville police after Breonna Taylor shooting Darcy Costello Tessa Duvall Louisville Courier Journal “LOUISVILLE, Ky. — Mayor Greg Fischer announced Friday that Louisville Metro Police is initiating termination of Officer Brett Hankison, one of three LMPD officers to fire weapons on March 13 at Breonna Taylor's apartment, killing her. Hankison is accused by the department's interim chief, Robert Schroeder, of "blindly" firing 10 rounds into Taylor's apartment, creating a substantial danger of death and serious injury. “ [Edited 6/19/20 11:59am]

nowhere near enough, but its a start

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Reply #395 posted 06/19/20 1:30pm

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It’s about time.. https://www.courier-journ...222004001/ Officer Brett Hankison being fired from Louisville police after Breonna Taylor shooting Darcy Costello Tessa Duvall Louisville Courier Journal “LOUISVILLE, Ky. — Mayor Greg Fischer announced Friday that Louisville Metro Police is initiating termination of Officer Brett Hankison, one of three LMPD officers to fire weapons on March 13 at Breonna Taylor's apartment, killing her. Hankison is accused by the department's interim chief, Robert Schroeder, of "blindly" firing 10 rounds into Taylor's apartment, creating a substantial danger of death and serious injury. “ [Edited 6/19/20 11:59am]

nowhere near enough, but its a start



Agree.
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Reply #396 posted 06/19/20 1:49pm

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cborgman said:

nowhere near enough, but its a start

Agree.


Two months later disbelief makes you wonder, if the world had not witnessed Geroge Floyd and Ahmaud Aubrey's murders if anything would have been done in Breonna's case.

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Reply #397 posted 06/19/20 1:57pm

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2elijah said:


cborgman said:


nowhere near enough, but its a start



Agree.


Two months later disbelief makes you wonder, if the world had not witnessed Geroge Floyd and Ahmaud Aubrey's murders if anything would have been done in Breonna's case.


I doubt it would have, because other cases that happened earlier this year, are also coming out of the woodwork, since George Floyd’s murder. Sad all this is still happening in 2020, but I definitely see 2020 as a year of (as you call it) a ‘social awakening’. I don’t expect everyone to like the changes, there’s always the bad apples that want things to remain the same, that’s not for the betterment for this country, but it can’t keep going on the way it has been forever, that’s for sure.
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Reply #398 posted 06/19/20 2:08pm

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Two months later disbelief makes you wonder, if the world had not witnessed Geroge Floyd and Ahmaud Aubrey's murders if anything would have been done in Breonna's case.

I doubt it would have, because other cases that happened earlier this year, are also coming out of the woodwork, since George Floyd’s murder. Sad all this is still happening in 2020, but I definitely see 2020 as a year of (as you call it) a ‘social awakening’. I don’t expect everyone to like the changes, there’s always the bad apples that want things to remain the same, that’s not for the betterment for this country, but it can’t keep going on the way it has been forever, that’s for sure.



No, it can't! And whether it is BLM or DACA or LGBTQ - - we cannot let corrupt administrators in the U.S. fuck us over anymore. Call it out and then vote them out!


Enough is enough!



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Reply #399 posted 06/19/20 2:21pm

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2elijah said:


DiminutiveRocker said:



Two months later disbelief makes you wonder, if the world had not witnessed Geroge Floyd and Ahmaud Aubrey's murders if anything would have been done in Breonna's case.



I doubt it would have, because other cases that happened earlier this year, are also coming out of the woodwork, since George Floyd’s murder. Sad all this is still happening in 2020, but I definitely see 2020 as a year of (as you call it) a ‘social awakening’. I don’t expect everyone to like the changes, there’s always the bad apples that want things to remain the same, that’s not for the betterment for this country, but it can’t keep going on the way it has been forever, that’s for sure.



No, it can't! And whether it is BLM or DACA or LGBTQ - - we cannot let corrupt administrators in the U.S. fuck us over anymore. Call it out and then vote them out!


Enough is enough!





Agree.
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Reply #400 posted 06/19/20 8:24pm

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This was an interesting interview with Trvoh Noah by Anderson Cooper:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/...index.html


'Police in America are looting black bodies,' Trevor Noah says
By Josiah Ryan, CNN

Updated 10:01 PM ET, Fri June 19, ose of sadness 01:35

(Watch the Trevor Noah Interview this Sunday, June 21, at 10 p.m. ET/7 p.m. PT on CNN and CNN.it/go.)

(CNN)”Comedian Trevor Noah spoke with CNN's Anderson Cooper this week about the state of racism, police abuse and protests in America, saying White people who were horrified by the looting that took place during some of the Black Lives Matter protests should realize many Black Americans feel their bodies are looted by police every single day.

"Maybe it would help you if... you think about that... unease that you felt watching that Target being looted, try to imagine how it must feel for Black Americans when they watch themselves being looted every single day," Noah, who is the host of "The Daily Show with Trevor Noah," told Cooper.”
That's fundamentally what's happening in America," he said. "Police in America are looting black bodies."

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“When they're fighting, when they're out there in the streets, what they're protesting for is law and order," said Noah. "They're fighting for an equal application of law and order. And I think that's what a lotta people don't realize."
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Reply #401 posted 06/20/20 5:42am

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This was an interesting interview with Trvoh Noah by Anderson Cooper: https://www.cnn.com/2020/...index.html 'Police in America are looting black bodies,' Trevor Noah says By Josiah Ryan, CNN Updated 10:01 PM ET, Fri June 19, ose of sadness 01:35 (Watch the Trevor Noah Interview this Sunday, June 21, at 10 p.m. ET/7 p.m. PT on CNN and CNN.it/go.) (CNN)”Comedian Trevor Noah spoke with CNN's Anderson Cooper this week about the state of racism, police abuse and protests in America, saying White people who were horrified by the looting that took place during some of the Black Lives Matter protests should realize many Black Americans feel their bodies are looted by police every single day. "Maybe it would help you if... you think about that... unease that you felt watching that Target being looted, try to imagine how it must feel for Black Americans when they watch themselves being looted every single day," Noah, who is the host of "The Daily Show with Trevor Noah," told Cooper.” That's fundamentally what's happening in America," he said. "Police in America are looting black bodies." (Edited for compliance) “When they're fighting, when they're out there in the streets, what they're protesting for is law and order," said Noah. "They're fighting for an equal application of law and order. And I think that's what a lotta people don't realize."

Trevor Noah always has great insight. We're lucky to have him.

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Reply #402 posted 06/20/20 7:46am

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2elijah said:


This was an interesting interview with Trvoh Noah by Anderson Cooper: https://www.cnn.com/2020/...index.html 'Police in America are looting black bodies,' Trevor Noah says By Josiah Ryan, CNN Updated 10:01 PM ET, Fri June 19, ose of sadness 01:35 (Watch the Trevor Noah Interview this Sunday, June 21, at 10 p.m. ET/7 p.m. PT on CNN and CNN.it/go.) (CNN)”Comedian Trevor Noah spoke with CNN's Anderson Cooper this week about the state of racism, police abuse and protests in America, saying White people who were horrified by the looting that took place during some of the Black Lives Matter protests should realize many Black Americans feel their bodies are looted by police every single day. "Maybe it would help you if... you think about that... unease that you felt watching that Target being looted, try to imagine how it must feel for Black Americans when they watch themselves being looted every single day," Noah, who is the host of "The Daily Show with Trevor Noah," told Cooper.” That's fundamentally what's happening in America," he said. "Police in America are looting black bodies." (Edited for compliance) “When they're fighting, when they're out there in the streets, what they're protesting for is law and order," said Noah. "They're fighting for an equal application of law and order. And I think that's what a lotta people don't realize."


Trevor Noah always has great insight. We're lucky to have him.


He doesn’t sugarcoat his views on race, just to make those in fear of the topic comfortable. I have a lot of respect for him because of that.
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Reply #403 posted 06/20/20 10:28am

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Trevor Noah always has great insight. We're lucky to have him.

He doesn’t sugarcoat his views on race, just to make those in fear of the topic comfortable. I have a lot of respect for him because of that.

Me too. He is honest and direct and very smart. He is a great influence on millenneials also.

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Reply #404 posted 06/21/20 8:16pm

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SMDH


NASCAR said it is investigating after a noose was found in the garage of black driver Bubba Wallace on Sunday at Talladega Superspeedway in Lincoln, Alabama.

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Reply #405 posted 06/22/20 5:43am

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SMDH


NASCAR said it is investigating after a noose was found in the garage of black driver Bubba Wallace on Sunday at Talladega Superspeedway in Lincoln, Alabama.

espn.com



eek Unfuckingbelievable disbelief But this is the whole point of BLM and the protests: racism EXISTS in America, it is very real and it *is* systemic.

Bubba Wallace is an American Hero.

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Reply #406 posted 06/22/20 6:09am

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NASCAR said it is investigating after a noose was found in the garage of black driver Bubba Wallace on Sunday at Talladega Superspeedway in Lincoln, Alabama.

espn.com

I'd be starting the investigation with some of Ray's buddies...

"Ray Ciccarelli said Wednesday he will quit NASCAR at the end of the season after the sport announced it would ban Confederate flags at its events."

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Reply #407 posted 06/22/20 6:25am

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PennyPurple said:


SMDH



NASCAR said it is investigating after a noose was found in the garage of black driver Bubba Wallace on Sunday at Talladega Superspeedway in Lincoln, Alabama.

espn.com





eek Unfuckingbelievable disbelief But this is the whole point of BLM and the protests: racism EXISTS in America, it is very real and it *is* systemic.

Bubba Wallace is an American Hero.


Sad that some folks get angry at those who call out racism for what it is, yet go out and practice it.
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Reply #408 posted 06/22/20 6:52am

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NASCAR said it is investigating after a noose was found in the garage of black driver Bubba Wallace on Sunday at Talladega Superspeedway in Lincoln, Alabama.

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I am sure there is pleanty of video of this... hope they are caught

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PennyPurple said:

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NASCAR said it is investigating after a noose was found in the garage of black driver Bubba Wallace on Sunday at Talladega Superspeedway in Lincoln, Alabama.

espn.com



eek Unfuckingbelievable disbelief But this is the whole point of BLM and the protests: racism EXISTS in America, it is very real and it *is* systemic.

Bubba Wallace is an American Hero.

That is not nice. I hope they find out more about it. ( My standard answer, so that I can take the side of the person that put the noose in there, blame the victim for the incident, and then later claim that I said it was wrong.)

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eek Unfuckingbelievable disbelief But this is the whole point of BLM and the protests: racism EXISTS in America, it is very real and it *is* systemic.

Bubba Wallace is an American Hero.

That is not nice. I hope they find out more about it. ( My standard answer, so that I can take the side of the person that put the noose in there, blame the victim for the incident, and then later claim that I said it was wrong.)


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Reply #411 posted 06/22/20 9:17am

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eek Unfuckingbelievable disbelief But this is the whole point of BLM and the protests: racism EXISTS in America, it is very real and it *is* systemic.

Bubba Wallace is an American Hero.

Sad that some folks racists get angry at those who call out racism for what it is, yet go out and practice it.

Fixed for you lol

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Reply #412 posted 06/22/20 11:45am

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2elijah said:


DiminutiveRocker said:




eek Unfuckingbelievable disbelief But this is the whole point of BLM and the protests: racism EXISTS in America, it is very real and it *is* systemic.

Bubba Wallace is an American Hero.



Sad that some folks racists get angry at those who call out racism for what it is, yet go out and practice it.



Fixed for you lol



Lol thanks.
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Reply #413 posted 06/24/20 4:40am

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Sorry wrong thread again. My face is red, I stand corrected.. duh

The stress is killing me.

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Reply #414 posted 06/25/20 9:20am

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so basically, your argument is black people commit more crimes?
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Reading this, he would be scared to death in my neighborhood and I love it! A lot of white people are not around black/people of color, and have no clue of what it's actually like to live in a mixed neighborhood. They are afraid of all black people.

There already ARE chokehold laws - didn't help Eric Garner. And if dude is talking about the Trump fake no-chokehold photo-op yesterday, with NO mention of African Americans or WHY they had to do this, this is not real change.

I know some black people that would not even want to live in your neighborhood because of the high crime. People enjoy a safe neighborhood. Have you ever heard of 'black flight' where black people move away from white neighborhoods?

So what is your point? My point is that you often find the most police in black neighborhoods because that is where most of the murders in the U.S. are happening right now. No cop wants to work there either so you often get new cops and probably not well trained. Or you get cops that have bad records and can't get promoted out of that city. In Floyd's case, it was a bad cop, having a bad day. Does not make him a racist though. Either way, these shitty statistics don't take things like that into account.

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have you seen the full footage? he talked to them calmly and peacefully for 30 minutes, and they just keep haranging him.

he was passed out under the influence of something while in control of a motor vehicle... he was placed under arrest (unless you are opposed to making arrests for DWI) for a valid reason and he chose to FIGHT 2 cops and he took by force a weapon and then used it on someone... I am still not sure shooting was justified--it is sure as hell not clear that it wasn't.


Thanks for being brave enough to say what I"m sure many others saw in the video. Sadly that does not fit the narritve of the decade "unarmed black teen shot by racist white cop".

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he was passed out under the influence of something while in control of a motor vehicle... he was placed under arrest (unless you are opposed to making arrests for DWI) for a valid reason and he chose to FIGHT 2 cops and he took by force a weapon and then used it on someone... I am still not sure shooting was justified--it is sure as hell not clear that it wasn't.


Thanks for being brave enough to say what I"m sure many others saw in the video. Sadly that does not fit the narritve of the decade "unarmed black teen shot by racist white cop".


That would be the narrative of every decade. But Rayshard Brooks was not a teen, so it makes no sense in this case. If a white guy passed out in a Wendy's drive-thru, chances are he wouldn't have died. Maybe the cops would have bought him a Wendy's and drove him home.

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Reply #417 posted 06/25/20 10:16am

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Reading this, he would be scared to death in my neighborhood and I love it! A lot of white people are not around black/people of color, and have no clue of what it's actually like to live in a mixed neighborhood. They are afraid of all black people.

There already ARE chokehold laws - didn't help Eric Garner. And if dude is talking about the Trump fake no-chokehold photo-op yesterday, with NO mention of African Americans or WHY they had to do this, this is not real change.

I know some black people that would not even want to live in your neighborhood because of the high crime. People enjoy a safe neighborhood. Have you ever heard of 'black flight' where black people move away from white neighborhoods?

So what is your point? My point is that you often find the most police in black neighborhoods because that is where most of the murders in the U.S. are happening right now. No cop wants to work there either so you often get new cops and probably not well trained. Or you get cops that have bad records and can't get promoted out of that city. In Floyd's case, it was a bad cop, having a bad day. Does not make him a racist though. Either way, these shitty statistics don't take things like that into account.

My point is that many white people have segregated themselves in addition to treating the people they marginalize badly, so they have no people skills or awareness really.

If black people don't want to live in my neighborhood, that would be their choice. People should be able to move wherever they want. Would it be fine with you if black people moved into your neighborhood (more than a few)??

Visitors come from all over the world just to enjoy my neighborhood. All kinds of people - especially music and food people. It just cracks me up when local white guys come here and are scared. Sold a leafblower on craig's list a few months ago. The guy was huge and ripped, owns a gym in a close suburb. He was so nervous, took me awhile to figure out he was scared. Guess he really wanted that cheap leafblower. My street is really pretty, it was just his perception. I've lived in the USVI too. 90% black/10% white. Certain kinds of white people cannot handle that at all, they end up leaving.

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3rdeyedude said:




poppys said:



Reading this, he would be scared to death in my neighborhood and I love it! A lot of white people are not around black/people of color, and have no clue of what it's actually like to live in a mixed neighborhood. They are afraid of all black people.

There already ARE chokehold laws - didn't help Eric Garner. And if dude is talking about the Trump fake no-chokehold photo-op yesterday, with NO mention of African Americans or WHY they had to do this, this is not real change.




I know some black people that would not even want to live in your neighborhood because of the high crime. People enjoy a safe neighborhood. Have you ever heard of 'black flight' where black people move away from white neighborhoods?



So what is your point? My point is that you often find the most police in black neighborhoods because that is where most of the murders in the U.S. are happening right now. No cop wants to work there either so you often get new cops and probably not well trained. Or you get cops that have bad records and can't get promoted out of that city. In Floyd's case, it was a bad cop, having a bad day. Does not make him a racist though. Either way, these shitty statistics don't take things like that into account.



My point is that many white people have segregated themselves in addition to treating the people they marginalize badly, so they have no people skills or awareness really.

If black people don't want to live in my neighborhood, that would be their choice. People should be able to move wherever they want. Would it be fine with you if black people moved into your neighborhood (more than a few)??

Visitors come from all over the world just to enjoy my neighborhood. All kinds of people - especially music and food people. It just cracks me up when local white guys come here and are scared. Sold a leafblower on craig's list a few months ago. The guy was huge and ripped, owns a gym in a close suburb. He was so nervous, took me awhile to figure out he was scared. Guess he really wanted that cheap leafblower. My street is really pretty, it was just his perception. I've lived in the USVI too. 90% black/10% white. Certain kinds of white people cannot handle that at all, they end up leaving.


Thank you for saying that. It’s interesting how some folks think that Black people need a permission slip to move into any neighborhood. Or even think we have to answer to them. That’s the problem with some of those folks. Privilege much? Lmao.
Reminds me of those damn fools in Rosedale, Queens, NY back in the day.

There’s a lot of politics behind why more cops are put into communities of color. If some think it’s because of more crime, then some folks are blind as a damn bat, because they only see as far as they only want to, to
justify their nonsense.

I’m just going to keep laughing at them. Smh.
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Have you ever heard of 'black flight' where black people move away from white neighborhoods?

you misspelled "pushed out of their homes by gentrification"

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