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Reply #60 posted 04/23/20 7:58am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Does anyone want to discuss the actual topic of the thread?

that is it a false or misleading subject as 1) bush inherited the recession and 2) the only reason there are issues now it covid19... it seems that this is a case of people cheering the virus... if it gets trump out of office...

NO ONE on this forum is cheering the virus. That is a hideous and horrid statement.

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Reply #61 posted 04/23/20 8:01am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

that is it a false or misleading subject as 1) bush inherited the recession and 2) the only reason there are issues now it covid19... it seems that this is a case of people cheering the virus... if it gets trump out of office...

NO ONE on this forum is cheering the virus. That is a hideous and horrid statement.

I think some did... some were wishing that certain people got it and did not recover...that is cheering the virus.

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Reply #62 posted 04/23/20 8:10am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

NO ONE on this forum is cheering the virus. That is a hideous and horrid statement.

I think some did... some were wishing that certain people got it and did not recover...that is cheering the virus.


No, it's not.


When you look at your basket of apples and there is one rotten one you throw it away, but you keep the good ones. Throwing away the one bad apple does not mean you are anti-apple - does it? Nor does it mean you are pro-rotting.


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Reply #63 posted 04/23/20 8:32am

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Ok let's all ignore the nonsense

Back on topic.

The economy and the risk to public health.

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I don't know if anyone caught the CNN interview with Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman on Wednesday with Anderson Cooper, it show the mayor caught between a rock and a hard place. Vegas lives on tourism, and with tourism also comes crowds flying in out out to and from everywhere..
Everything she said was stupid, and that's becasue there is no way you can make what she wants sound sane.

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I feel for her and all the workers there, but gee whiz that's a lot to ask. That's putting a lot of folks at risk.

Hopefully soon revised data shows it's relatively safe to reopen businesses, but Vegas and other tourists hotbeds sound beyond iffy right now.

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Las Vegas mayor won't give businesses social distancing guidelines for reopening: 'They better figure it out. That's their job'

CNN)Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman on Wednesday repeatedly called for th...businesses to reopen while refusing to provide any social distan...guidelines on how to do so safely.

"I am not a private owner. That's the competition in this country. The free enterprise and to be able to make sure that what you offer the public meets the needs of the public," Goodman, an independent, told CNN's Anderson Cooper.
"Right now, we're in a crisis health-wise, and so for a restaurant to be open or a small boutique to be open, they better figure it out. That's their job. That's not the mayor's job."
Goodman does not have the power to order Las Vegas' casinos to reopen and her comments are at odds with the reopening guidelines issued by the state's Gaming Control Board, which will ultimately sign off on a plan to have the iconic Sin City businesses running again.
Those guidelines ask businesses to send in reopening plans at least seven days before resuming operations.
The board also lists procedures that businesses should follow when reopening including complying with all prescribed local, state and federal Covid-19 heath requirements.

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Reply #64 posted 04/23/20 8:35am

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DiminutiveRocker said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I think some did... some were wishing that certain people got it and did not recover...that is cheering the virus.


No, it's not.


When you look at your basket of apples and there is one rotten one you throw it away, but you keep the good ones. Throwing away the one bad apple does not mean you are anti-apple - does it? Nor does it mean you are pro-rotting.


lol








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so you support and defend wishing death on some people but then suggest that waning to open things back up is the same as waning people to die?

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Reply #65 posted 04/23/20 8:50am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

so you support and defend wishing death on some people but then suggest that waning to open things back up is the same as waning people to die?

No.

Back to the topic.


I saw that Vegas mayor interviewed. Unfortunatley, Vegas and Atalantic city are one of those places that cannot operate without crowds and close social contact. It's like amusement parks - they are all in the same boat. The thing about a pandemic is, it only takes one person to spread it to many and those each spread to many more. It is unfortunate that these huge money making businesses are suffering in high degrees, but I do believe once it is not dangerous to do so, people will resume going to casinos and amusement parks.


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Reply #66 posted 04/23/20 8:52am

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v10letblues said:

Ok let's all ignore the nonsense

Back on topic.

The economy and the risk to public health.

.

I don't know if anyone caught the CNN interview with Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman on Wednesday with Anderson Cooper, it show the mayor caught between a rock and a hard place. Vegas lives on tourism, and with tourism also comes crowds flying in out out to and from everywhere..
Everything she said was stupid, and that's becasue there is no way you can make what she wants sound sane.

.

I feel for her and all the workers there, but gee whiz that's a lot to ask. That's putting a lot of folks at risk.

Hopefully soon revised data shows it's relatively safe to reopen businesses, but Vegas and other tourists hotbeds sound beyond iffy right now.

.

Las Vegas mayor won't give businesses social distancing guidelines for reopening: 'They better figure it out. That's their job'

CNN)Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman on Wednesday repeatedly called for th...businesses to reopen while refusing to provide any social distan...guidelines on how to do so safely.

"I am not a private owner. That's the competition in this country. The free enterprise and to be able to make sure that what you offer the public meets the needs of the public," Goodman, an independent, told CNN's Anderson Cooper.
"Right now, we're in a crisis health-wise, and so for a restaurant to be open or a small boutique to be open, they better figure it out. That's their job. That's not the mayor's job."
Goodman does not have the power to order Las Vegas' casinos to reopen and her comments are at odds with the reopening guidelines issued by the state's Gaming Control Board, which will ultimately sign off on a plan to have the iconic Sin City businesses running again.
Those guidelines ask businesses to send in reopening plans at least seven days before resuming operations.
The board also lists procedures that businesses should follow when reopening including complying with all prescribed local, state and federal Covid-19 heath requirements.

she's an absolute moron to say the utter least

bye felicia!
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Reply #67 posted 04/23/20 8:54am

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v10letblues said:

Ok let's all ignore the nonsense

Back on topic.

The economy and the risk to public health.

.

I don't know if anyone caught the CNN interview with Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman on Wednesday with Anderson Cooper, it show the mayor caught between a rock and a hard place. Vegas lives on tourism, and with tourism also comes crowds flying in out out to and from everywhere..
Everything she said was stupid, and that's becasue there is no way you can make what she wants sound sane.

.

I feel for her and all the workers there, but gee whiz that's a lot to ask. That's putting a lot of folks at risk.

Hopefully soon revised data shows it's relatively safe to reopen businesses, but Vegas and other tourists hotbeds sound beyond iffy right now.

.

Las Vegas mayor won't give businesses social distancing guidelines for reopening: 'They better figure it out. That's their job'

By Paul LeBlanc, CNN

Updated 10:59 AM ET, Thu April 23, 2020

CNN)Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman on Wednesday repeatedly called for th...businesses to reopen while refusing to provide any social distan...guidelines on how to do so safely.

"I am not a private owner. That's the competition in this country. The free enterprise and to be able to make sure that what you offer the public meets the needs of the public," Goodman, an independent, told CNN's Anderson Cooper.
"Right now, we're in a crisis health-wise, and so for a restaurant to be open or a small boutique to be open, they better figure it out. That's their job. That's not the mayor's job."
Goodman does not have the power to order Las Vegas' casinos to reopen and her comments are at odds with the reopening guidelines issued by the state's Gaming Control Board, which will ultimately sign off on a plan to have the iconic Sin City businesses running again.
Those guidelines ask businesses to send in reopening plans at least seven days before resuming operations.
The board also lists procedures that businesses should follow when reopening including complying with all prescribed local, state and federal Covid-19 heath requirements.


Because we look to leadership to guide us in times like these, I hope people will remember everything that these elected leaders said and did to provide their constituencies with the greatest degree of safety and health. And more importanty, what they did not do.


The greatest lesson learned for these types of businesses is to have a backup stash of revenue - while none of us ever imagined experiencing a massive crisis like this, it could happen again so preparation for such should be considered a part of any future operating plan. Almost like getting earthquake insurance - and even that is not 100% because if damage is catastrophic they will not pay out.








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Reply #68 posted 04/23/20 9:25am

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Yeah there is no amount on hand that you can have for these types events. That's too much to ask.

Now, if stable genius had acted sooner, like the experts advised him perhaps we could all have been back to work by now...

.

The most important thing we can get from all this is we can never elect a bafoon like Trump again. I though after W that we would have learned our lesson, but look at us now,. We elect an even greater moron.

DiminutiveRocker said:

v10letblues said:

Ok let's all ignore the nonsense

Back on topic.

The economy and the risk to public health.

.

I don't know if anyone caught the CNN interview with Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman on Wednesday with Anderson Cooper, it show the mayor caught between a rock and a hard place. Vegas lives on tourism, and with tourism also comes crowds flying in out out to and from everywhere..
Everything she said was stupid, and that's becasue there is no way you can make what she wants sound sane.

.

I feel for her and all the workers there, but gee whiz that's a lot to ask. That's putting a lot of folks at risk.

Hopefully soon revised data shows it's relatively safe to reopen businesses, but Vegas and other tourists hotbeds sound beyond iffy right now.

.

Las Vegas mayor won't give businesses social distancing guidelines for reopening: 'They better figure it out. That's their job'

By Paul LeBlanc, CNN

Updated 10:59 AM ET, Thu April 23, 2020

CNN)Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman on Wednesday repeatedly called for th...businesses to reopen while refusing to provide any social distan...guidelines on how to do so safely.

"I am not a private owner. That's the competition in this country. The free enterprise and to be able to make sure that what you offer the public meets the needs of the public," Goodman, an independent, told CNN's Anderson Cooper.
"Right now, we're in a crisis health-wise, and so for a restaurant to be open or a small boutique to be open, they better figure it out. That's their job. That's not the mayor's job."
Goodman does not have the power to order Las Vegas' casinos to reopen and her comments are at odds with the reopening guidelines issued by the state's Gaming Control Board, which will ultimately sign off on a plan to have the iconic Sin City businesses running again.
Those guidelines ask businesses to send in reopening plans at least seven days before resuming operations.
The board also lists procedures that businesses should follow when reopening including complying with all prescribed local, state and federal Covid-19 heath requirements.


Because we look to leadership to guide us in times like these, I hope people will remember everything that these elected leaders said and did to provide their constituencies with the greatest degree of safety and health. And more importanty, what they did not do.


The greatest lesson learned for these types of businesses is to have a backup stash of revenue - while none of us ever imagined experiencing a massive crisis like this, it could happen again so preparation for such should be considered a part of any future operating plan. Almost like getting earthquake insurance - and even that is not 100% because if damage is catastrophic they will not pay out.








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Reply #69 posted 04/27/20 2:33pm

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v10letblues said:

Yeah there is no amount on hand that you can have for these types events. That's too much to ask.

Now, if stable genius had acted sooner, like the experts advised him perhaps we could all have been back to work by now...

.

The most important thing we can get from all this is we can never elect a bafoon like Trump again. I though after W that we would have learned our lesson, but look at us now,. We elect an even greater moron.

DiminutiveRocker said:


Because we look to leadership to guide us in times like these, I hope people will remember everything that these elected leaders said and did to provide their constituencies with the greatest degree of safety and health. And more importanty, what they did not do.


The greatest lesson learned for these types of businesses is to have a backup stash of revenue - while none of us ever imagined experiencing a massive crisis like this, it could happen again so preparation for such should be considered a part of any future operating plan. Almost like getting earthquake insurance - and even that is not 100% because if damage is catastrophic they will not pay out.








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Well, I did my best to NOT elect him in 2016 and I'll step that up in 2020. nod

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Reply #70 posted 05/23/20 5:33am

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We it looks like we are starting to open up again. Here in Southern California, Riverside County to be more specific has eased restrictions and is allowing stores and restaurants to reopen with conditions.

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It's only been a couple of months but it seems like a far long time. Enough time to bankrupt some smaller or previously struggling businesses.

Imagine now if we were faced with something just a tad harsher with how unprepared and incompetent we were shown to be for such a thing.

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Thing will not be completely back to nórmal any time soon though. This is a worldwide event and we are an interconnected society and economy.

And nothing has been resolved.The virus is still dangerous and there is no vaccine. Those at risk will remain at risk for the foreseeable future. All we can do is be mindful of each other as we all start heading back to work.

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Experts are predicting another wave in the fall, and for the pandemic to last for 18-24 months. It seems mitigation measures of some sort are going to be part of whatever the new normal is for the foreseeable future.

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Reopening may be seen as a gamble, but i think it has been shown that with mitigation in place it can be done safely. The other alternative is to remain closed, and the current situation doesn't seem to merit that. The results of which in just a few months have proven that it is untenable. We must be mindful of each other and do our best to protect one another, but at the same time we need to all go back to our normal lives as best as we can.

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Reply #71 posted 05/23/20 1:00pm

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Also as we start heading back to work, we should look back at history. If the 1918 pandemic can offer any guidance is the possibility of a more dangerous second wave this fall.

The first wave of the 1918 influenza was first reported in March, much like Convid19

The second and worst wave hit in the fall. It is thought people let their guard down thinking the worst was over, but the worst was yet to come,

So even as we are all glad to to be heading back to work, we should do it cautiously and prepare for the worst.

From the CDC website.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/p...-waves.htm


The 1918 influenza pandemic occurred in three waves and was the most severe pandemic in history.


Graph: 3 different waves of influenza

There were 3 different waves of illness during the pandemic, starting in March 1918 and subsiding by summer of 1919.

The pandemic peaked in the U.S. during the second wave, in the fall of 1918. This highly fatal second wave was responsible for most of the U.S. deaths attributed to the pandemic.



A third wave of illness occurred during the winter and spring of 1919, adding to the pandemic death toll. The third wave of the pandemic subsided during the summer of 1919.

An estimated 1/3 of the world’s population was infected with the 1918 flu virus – resulting in at least 50 million deaths worldwide.

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Reply #72 posted 05/24/20 5:12am

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What is the topic of this thread anyway?

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Reply #73 posted 05/26/20 6:27am

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So business are reopening, here in socal, hair salons and sporting events are tentatively proposed reopen the first week of June. Which is great news for small business owners and consumers and the overall economy,

Again, we should also be mindful in keeping safe and preparing for a possible deadlier second wave this fall or winter. We NEED to reopen but we also NEED to remind ourselves that it's not over. Not by a long shot and that those at risk will remain at risk for the foreseeable future.

A big push to reopen restaurants, malls, even gyms ASAP. But it’s not that simple

https://www.latimes.com/c...d-approval

Faced with unemployment rates that in many places top 20%, California counties are eager to reopen their economies as quickly as they can.

With Gov. Gavin Newsom loosening requirements for reopening, local officials are racing to submit plans and get approval to allow shuttered businesses to open — all with social distancing restrictions.

The new rules allow restaurant dining rooms and shopping malls to open in counties that meet the new criteria. The governor also hinted that even bigger changes are just around the corner, such as the opening of hair salons and even spectator-free sporting events as soon as the first week in June.

Many counties have submitted plans to the governor or intend to do so this week.

“Let’s open as much as possible. Let’s open as soon as possible. Let’s open as safely as possible,” Orange County Supervisor Don Wagner said.

Sacramento Mayor Darrell Steinberg said his county would be able to “reopen some offices, small shops and restaurants” by Friday.

“It’s not just about allowing the businesses to open; it’s also about the customers,” he said in a news conference. “People on the one hand are going to be understandably cautious, as they should be.

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Reply #74 posted 05/26/20 7:08am

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Guessing you morphed this into a Covid-19 "reopening" thread?

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Reply #75 posted 05/26/20 9:14am

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Guessing you morphed this into a Covid-19 "reopening" thread?



I won’t respond to you again so please don’t try and turn this I to a mega bait thing. If you Have nothing to add to the thread you can use org notes instead.
No one is forcing to participate. It’s perfectly fine to ignore threads you don’t understand or relate to instead of being obnoxious about it.
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Reply #76 posted 05/26/20 9:43am

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v10letblues said:

poppys said:

Guessing you morphed this into a Covid-19 "reopening" thread?


I won’t respond to you again so please don’t try and turn this I to a mega bait thing. If you Have nothing to add to the thread you can use org notes instead. No one is forcing to participate. It’s perfectly fine to ignore threads you don’t understand or relate to instead of being obnoxious about it.


Hmm, last week I was a "toxic Progressive", this week obnoxious, anything else? You were added to my blocked list long ago when you repeated & perpetuated lies Pokeno told about me (in my thread) with a long open "lecture" post about everyone needing to be nice.

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Reply #77 posted 05/26/20 1:49pm

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Proven to be all the above and a troll to boot.

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Reply #78 posted 05/27/20 8:26am

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v10letblues said:

Proven to be all the above and a troll to boot.


You did respond to me again, didn't you?

And tried to discredit me the first week you "came back" by jumping on the Poke train. Didn't work, name calling won't either. By the way, what IS the topic of the thread?

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Reply #79 posted 05/27/20 8:54am

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poppys said:

v10letblues said:

Proven to be all the above and a troll to boot.


You did respond to me again, didn't you?

And tried to discredit me the first week you "came back" by jumping on the Poke train. Didn't work, name calling won't either. By the way, what IS the topic of the thread?

You know i don;t know what the heck you're talking about with Poke. You are angry about things people don;t even know what. Should we add "paranoia" to the list?

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Relax, no one has anything against you that you have not inflicted upon yourself.

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Reply #80 posted 05/27/20 9:06am

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v10letblues said:

poppys said:


You did respond to me again, didn't you?

And tried to discredit me the first week you "came back" by jumping on the Poke train. Didn't work, name calling won't either. By the way, what IS the topic of the thread?

You know i don;t know what the heck you're talking about with Poke. You are angry about things people don;t even know what. Should we add "paranoia" to the list?

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Relax, no one has anything against you that you have not inflicted upon yourself.


Lame gaslighting. I absolutely know what I am talking about. There really is no angle left for you that hasn't been tried before. The name calling is looking foolish - I suggest ghosting.

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Reply #81 posted 05/27/20 9:13am

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poppys said:

v10letblues said:

You know i don;t know what the heck you're talking about with Poke. You are angry about things people don;t even know what. Should we add "paranoia" to the list?

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Relax, no one has anything against you that you have not inflicted upon yourself.


Lame gaslighting. I absolutely know what I am talking about. There really is no angle left for you that hasn't been tried before. The name calling is looking foolish - I suggest ghosting.

I have no idea. You are not well.

And perhaps you should be jotting all this down on your personal journal or with your phychiatrist instead of random angry posts on my threads.

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bored

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Reply #83 posted 05/31/20 9:42pm

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I have long pondered whether Trump would like Bush leave office in disgrace with a country handed to him in great shape and leave it in ruin. But the way 2020 is going, and just in the short time since I first posted this thread, it seems he will leave the nation in far worse shape than Bush.

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How can that be?

Goddam i wish I knew.

What a fucking mess.

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