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Wuhan Coronavirus...2020 - Continued


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TweetyV6 said:

v10letblues said:

Here is a YouTube clip that I would like Tweety's thoughts on

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What if we did nothing?

https://youtu.be/gku7mdTS8cc

Plain and utter BS


In Italy, those who died of Covid-19 and did not have any other underlying medical issue was only 0,8%

What is new is that SARS-CoV-2 jumped from animals (most likely bats) to humans and can be transmitted through droplets.

I still say it's a fucking mass hysteria with a sauce of political correctness.
he aftermath will be far more damaging to people then the illness.

Poppys said:


Your "facts" on Italy are incorrect - and changing daily.

It's widely reported that France and the Netherlands are in denial. We'll just have to see how that works out for you.

My Question:

So is TweetyV6 still making like its not that its not that big of deal all those people have died in Italy?

At this moment:

The death toll in Italy from the coronavirus pandemic rose by 743 in one day to 6,820, reversing a declining trend in fatalities observed over the last two days.

In India, 1.3 billion people will go under "total lockdown" from midnight (1830 GMT) on Tuesday for 21 days to combat the spread of the contagion.

Spain's deaths surged by 514 in one day, bringing its total to 2,696. It also reported 6,600 new coronavirus cases, raising nationwide infections to 39,673.

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Reply #1 posted 03/26/20 10:25am

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The U.S. passed the 1000 mark in fatalities sad

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I just thought: for all the global warming alarmist this should be seen as a Thanos like good thing. Right? If people are the problem! If we are over populated... then culling the heard would be a good thing across the board.



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Only if you think genocide is a just response to what humans have done to the planet.

Personally, speaking as a global warming alarmist I would say we are not an overpopulated planet, the problem is with capitalism's insistence of growth above all other things, not with the existence of humans.


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jaawwnn said:

Only if you think genocide is a just response to what humans have done to the planet.

Personally, speaking as a global warming alarmist I would say we are not an overpopulated planet, the problem is with capitalism's insistence of growth above all other things, not with the existence of humans.


viruses are not living and thus can not intend to kill anyone so it can be genocide...

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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I never said anything about what viruses do or don't think you silly man. If you approve of a mass cull of humanity, whether intentional or unintentional, then you are basically approving genocide.

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Hearing that DuPont is making Hazmat suits for health workers. This is exactly what many nurses and physicians and other health workers will need to protect themselves.
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2elijah said:

Hearing that DuPont is making Hazmat suits for health workers. This is exactly what many nurses and physicians and other health workers will need to protect themselves.


Wow. But, yeah - I get it. They interviewed some ER doctors and nurses in NY/NJ who are expecting to get it because they are treating infected patients with subpar gear. neutral

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jaawwnn said:

I never said anything about what viruses do or don't think you silly man. If you approve of a mass cull of humanity, whether intentional or unintentional, then you are basically approving genocide.

but I don't but many in the global warming cult DO but that is not the topic... it was just a thought.

No one is coming for your abortion: they just want common-sense abortion regulations: background checks, waiting periods, lifetime limits, take a class, and a small tax.
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DiminutiveRocker said:



2elijah said:


Hearing that DuPont is making Hazmat suits for health workers. This is exactly what many nurses and physicians and other health workers will need to protect themselves.


Wow. But, yeah - I get it. They interviewed some ER doctors and nurses in NY/NJ who are expecting to get it because they are treating infected patients with subpar gear. neutral


I hope they are able to get the protective gear they need.
popcorn
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2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


Wow. But, yeah - I get it. They interviewed some ER doctors and nurses in NY/NJ who are expecting to get it because they are treating infected patients with subpar gear. neutral

I hope they are able to get the protective gear they need.


God willing or we will realy be effed if the health care workers start to fall to this thing.

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I dislike this thread being called the "Wuhan Coronavirus..." When we had a flu epidemic in 2009, we didn't name it the United States Virus or the American Virus, we named it the swine flu. So why do we insist on naming a virus by the location, when it starts in other countries, but when they start in our country we name it after the animal in which it is associated? How about we call this Bat Flu or Bat Virus? It just seems so one-sided to me. Starts in America, "Oh, no, it actually started with pigs, even though America is where the pandemic started, so we've got to name it after the pigs. Let's call it swine flu." Starts in a providence in China, "I don't care that it started because of a bat, it originated from Wuhan, China, so we have to name it after either China or Wuhan. We can't name it after the bat." There is just something so wrong with that. confused

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

I just thought: for all the global warming alarmist this should be seen as a Thanos like good thing. Right? If people are the problem! If we are over populated... then culling the heard would be a good thing across the board.




It is. Google Greta Thunberg or Idris Ilba and read what they have to say about the virus.


Based upon limited in-vitro and anecdotal data, chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine are currently recommended for treatment of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in several countries.
https://www.cdc.gov/coron...tions.html
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benni said:

I dislike this thread being called the "Wuhan Coronavirus..." When we had a flu epidemic in 2009, we didn't name it the United States Virus or the American Virus, we named it the swine flu. So why do we insist on naming a virus by the location, when it starts in other countries, but when they start in our country we name it after the animal in which it is associated? How about we call this Bat Flu or Bat Virus? It just seems so one-sided to me. Starts in America, "Oh, no, it actually started with pigs, even though America is where the pandemic started, so we've got to name it after the pigs. Let's call it swine flu." Starts in a providence in China, "I don't care that it started because of a bat, it originated from Wuhan, China, so we have to name it after either China or Wuhan. We can't name it after the bat." There is just something so wrong with that. confused


It should be called Covid-19, IMO

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Trump has said the United States had done more testing for COVID-19 infections in eight days than South Korea had done in eight weeks, but that ignores the fact that South Korea has a much smaller population. On a per-capita basis, the U.S. lags behind the Asian country, and other nations.



neutral

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Reply #15 posted 03/26/20 3:44pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:



2elijah said:


DiminutiveRocker said:



Wow. But, yeah - I get it. They interviewed some ER doctors and nurses in NY/NJ who are expecting to get it because they are treating infected patients with subpar gear. neutral



I hope they are able to get the protective gear they need.


God willing or we will realy be effed if the health care workers start to fall to this thing.


...and the police and prison guards...could be disastrous.
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Astasheiks said:


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TweetyV6 said:

Plain and utter BS


In Italy, those who died of Covid-19 and did not have any other underlying medical issue was only 0,8%

What is new is that SARS-CoV-2 jumped from animals (most likely bats) to humans and can be transmitted through droplets.

I still say it's a fucking mass hysteria with a sauce of political correctness.
he aftermath will be far more damaging to people then the illness.

My Question:

So is TweetyV6 still making like its not that its not that big of deal all those people have died in Italy?


Yep. No biggie at all.


PUT THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE!!

Italy has a population of, give or take a few, 60 million
About 7% are 80+ (2017 SOURCE) that makes roughly 4,2 million people

Let's say that 80% of Covid-19 deaths in Italy were over 80
The death toll in Italy currently (3/25/2020) is 6.820 people.

In the over 80 group the death rate would then be 5.456/4.200.000 = 0,13%

So even if the Covid-19 mortality rate would be 10 times as high, 98,7% of the over eighty population would SURVIVE

The average 2019 death rate in Italy was 10,7 people per 1000 = 1,07% SOURCE
That's 642.000 a year, 1.759 a day.

Your question was again??? rolleyes


People judging on gut feeling and emotions make this virus worse then it actually is.

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TweetyV6 said:

Astasheiks said:


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My Question:

So is TweetyV6 still making like its not that its not that big of deal all those people have died in Italy?


Yep. No biggie at all.


PUT THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE!!

Italy has a population of, give or take a few, 60 million
About 7% are 80+ (2017 SOURCE) that makes roughly 4,2 million people

Let's say that 80% of Covid-19 deaths in Italy were over 80
The death toll in Italy currently (3/25/2020) is 6.820 people.

In the over 80 group the death rate would then be 5.456/4.200.000 = 0,13%

So even if the Covid-19 mortality rate would be 10 times as high, 98,7% of the over eighty population would SURVIVE

The average 2019 death rate in Italy was 10,7 people per 1000 = 1,07% SOURCE
That's 642.000 a year, 1.759 a day.

Your question was again??? rolleyes


People judging on gut feeling and emotions make this virus worse then it actually is.

Show us a big fat motherfucking graph, please!!!!!!! biggrin

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In other news today...

Sweden

Sweden is doing exactly as what I would have liked to see happen. NOTHING.


Except telling those who might be at risk of dying to make sure they isolate themselves and those who feel ill to stay at home.

No restaurants closed, no schools closed, no lock-down, nothing of that. Life continues prety much as it was.

Curent figures for Sweden: 2840 infected, 77 dead.

Sweden Is Open for Business During Its Coronavirus Outbreak

(SOURCE)

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Germany

The German ifo-institute (Institute for Economic Research) warns:

Corona wird 1,8 Mio. Jobs
in Deutschland kosten

(SOURCE - Bild.de)


Corona crisis will result in 1,8 million additional people without a job




And there you have it - 2 scenario's one a country with a neglectible amount of corona victims and a handfull people in misery after this is over and a country also with a neglectible amount of corona vicitms but almost 2 MILLION PEOPLE IN MISERY after this 'crisis'

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13cjk13 said:

Show us a big fat motherfucking graph, please!!!!!!! biggrin


Make your own, maybe you'll learn from it wink

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TweetyV6 said:

In other news today...

Sweden

Sweden is doing exactly as what I would have liked to see happen. NOTHING.

Except telling those who might be at risk of dying to make sure they isolate themselves and those who feel ill to stay at home.

No restaurants closed, no schools closed, no lock-down, nothing of that. Life continues prety much as it was.

Curent figures for Sweden: 2840 infected, 77 dead.

Sweden Is Open for Business During Its Coronavirus Outbreak

(SOURCE)

--------------------------------------------

Germany

The German ifo-institute (Institute for Economic Research) warns:

Corona wird 1,8 Mio. Jobs
in Deutschland kosten

(SOURCE - Bild.de)


Corona crisis will result in 1,8 million additional people without a job




And there you have it - 2 scenario's one a country with a neglectible amount of corona victims and a handfull people in misery after this is over and a country also with a neglectible amount of corona vicitms but almost 2 MILLION PEOPLE IN MISERY after this 'crisis'

Job loss is colateral damage of the virus.

Over 1000 (and increasing by the day) U.S. citizens in a wide variety of ages have died because of this virus. We in the US value life, even if you and your country value jobs more.





[Edited 3/26/20 16:29pm]

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I'm now required to wear a mask at work. I only get 1 mask a day and they are counting them....

There are now 3 cases at the hospital, there was only 1 yesterday...


Monday I walked into the office and found out it was only going to be me and 1 nurse working the clinic that day, they forgot to put me on the conference call and some how I was picked to be the one who worked. Supposed to be 3 upfront, the other 2 get to work from home. One isn't even coming to work while this crisis is on, she's too afraid, so they said she's fine, she can just work from home. I guess they figured that once I die, the other worker will come in. We have 18 staff members in our clinic.....lucky me.

The docs are still packing their schedules full, even though they've been told not to. It makes no difference to them. They were told to stop surgeries and the hospital forced their hand and closed the operating rooms for emergencies only.....of course my docs found a way around that and found a surgery center here in town, and just moved their surgeries there...........


The docs are in surgery on Fridays, so they would 'allow' me to work from home tomorrow....until they decided that after their surgeries at the surgery center, they will now see patients tomorrow in the clinic.....


The hospital is still screening patients at the entrances, but now there are no visitors allowed, only the patient with a doc appt is able to come up. Used to be they could have 1 visitor with them, until some idiot the other day said he had an appointment and they found him wandering around the hospital...so now the scanners have to call the offices to confirm that the person does indeed have an appointment....


On my way in this morning I noticed they put porta potties on the sidewalk...I guess so the people who are waiting for a patient can use, since they aren't allowed to come in.


I about walked out on Monday...who the hell picked me to work? And why me? Bitches...

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1/4 - I think it would be helpful if I cleared up some confusion that has emerged in recent days. Some have interpreted my evidence to a UK parliamentary committee as indicating we have substantially revised our assessments of the potential mortality impact of COVID-19.

2/4 -This is not the case. Indeed, if anything, our latest estimates suggest that the virus is slightly more transmissible than we previously thought. Our lethality estimates remain unchanged.

3/4 - My evidence to Parliament referred to the deaths we assess might occur in the UK in the presence of the very intensive social distancing and other public health interventions now in place.

4/4 - Without those controls, our assessment remains that the UK would see the scale of deaths reported in our study (namely, up to approximately 500 thousand).
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benni said:

1/4 - I think it would be helpful if I cleared up some confusion that has emerged in recent days. Some have interpreted my evidence to a UK parliamentary committee as indicating we have substantially revised our assessments of the potential mortality impact of COVID-19.

2/4 -This is not the case. Indeed, if anything, our latest estimates suggest that the virus is slightly more transmissible than we previously thought. Our lethality estimates remain unchanged.

3/4 - My evidence to Parliament referred to the deaths we assess might occur in the UK in the presence of the very intensive social distancing and other public health interventions now in place.

4/4 - Without those controls, our assessment remains that the UK would see the scale of deaths reported in our study (namely, up to approximately 500 thousand).



^ Just for reference, Neil Ferguson is: Infectious disease modeller/epidemiologist. Director of J-IDEA and the MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis

thanks for this, Benni

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PennyPurple said:

I'm now required to wear a mask at work. I only get 1 mask a day and they are counting them....

There are now 3 cases at the hospital, there was only 1 yesterday...


Monday I walked into the office and found out it was only going to be me and 1 nurse working the clinic that day, they forgot to put me on the conference call and some how I was picked to be the one who worked. Supposed to be 3 upfront, the other 2 get to work from home. One isn't even coming to work while this crisis is on, she's too afraid, so they said she's fine, she can just work from home. I guess they figured that once I die, the other worker will come in. We have 18 staff members in our clinic.....lucky me.

The docs are still packing their schedules full, even though they've been told not to. It makes no difference to them. They were told to stop surgeries and the hospital forced their hand and closed the operating rooms for emergencies only.....of course my docs found a way around that and found a surgery center here in town, and just moved their surgeries there...........


The docs are in surgery on Fridays, so they would 'allow' me to work from home tomorrow....until they decided that after their surgeries at the surgery center, they will now see patients tomorrow in the clinic.....


The hospital is still screening patients at the entrances, but now there are no visitors allowed, only the patient with a doc appt is able to come up. Used to be they could have 1 visitor with them, until some idiot the other day said he had an appointment and they found him wandering around the hospital...so now the scanners have to call the offices to confirm that the person does indeed have an appointment....


On my way in this morning I noticed they put porta potties on the sidewalk...I guess so the people who are waiting for a patient can use, since they aren't allowed to come in.


I about walked out on Monday...who the hell picked me to work? And why me? Bitches...



neutral oh, my god, Penny.

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DiminutiveRocker said:

Job loss is colateral damage of the virus.

Over 1000 (and increasing by the day) U.S. citizens in a wide variety of ages have died because of this virus. We in the US value life, even if you and your country value jobs more.





[Edited 3/26/20 16:29pm]


10 times as much babies are born DAILY in the US.
Why not make sure that their parents will not suffer from this crisis and give those young lives a bright perspective?

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TweetyV6 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Job loss is colateral damage of the virus.

Over 1000 (and increasing by the day) U.S. citizens in a wide variety of ages have died because of this virus. We in the US value life, even if you and your country value jobs more.





[Edited 3/26/20 16:29pm]


10 times as much babies are born DAILY in the US.
Why not make sure that their parents will not suffer from this crisis and give those young lives a bright perspective?

Thanks, I'll take your suggestion to the US Congress. rolleyes

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11 confirmed cases in my neighborhood. eek


Public Health (Public Health) has confirmed nine new deaths and 421 new cases of 2019 Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19). Additional information regarding some of the new cases is pending further investigation. Over the last 48 hours there have been 559 new cases.

To date, Public Health has identified 1216 cases across all areas of the County, including 21 deaths. Upon further investigation, one death and four cases reported earlier were not County residents. As of today, 253 positive cases (21% of positive cases) have been hospitalized.



Age Group

  • 0 to 17 -- 19
  • 18 to 40 --462
  • 41 to 65 --462
  • over 65 --223

Hospitalization

  • Hospitalized (Ever) 253


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DiminutiveRocker said:

11 confirmed cases in my neighborhood. eek



Public Health (Public Health) has confirmed nine new deaths and 421 new cases of 2019 Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19). Additional information regarding some of the new cases is pending further investigation. Over the last 48 hours there have been 559 new cases.


To date, Public Health has identified 1216 cases across all areas of the County, including 21 deaths. Upon further investigation, one death and four cases reported earlier were not County residents. As of today, 253 positive cases (21% of positive cases) have been hospitalized.






Age Group


  • 0 to 17 -- 19

  • 18 to 40 --462

  • 41 to 65 --462

  • over 65 --223

Hospitalization


  • Hospitalized (Ever) 253




Are you able to quarantine or are you still off to work each day?
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Reply #29 posted 03/26/20 7:12pm

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I'm now required to wear a mask at work. I only get 1 mask a day and they are counting them....

There are now 3 cases at the hospital, there was only 1 yesterday...


Monday I walked into the office and found out it was only going to be me and 1 nurse working the clinic that day, they forgot to put me on the conference call and some how I was picked to be the one who worked. Supposed to be 3 upfront, the other 2 get to work from home. One isn't even coming to work while this crisis is on, she's too afraid, so they said she's fine, she can just work from home. I guess they figured that once I die, the other worker will come in. We have 18 staff members in our clinic.....lucky me.

The docs are still packing their schedules full, even though they've been told not to. It makes no difference to them. They were told to stop surgeries and the hospital forced their hand and closed the operating rooms for emergencies only.....of course my docs found a way around that and found a surgery center here in town, and just moved their surgeries there...........


The docs are in surgery on Fridays, so they would 'allow' me to work from home tomorrow....until they decided that after their surgeries at the surgery center, they will now see patients tomorrow in the clinic.....


The hospital is still screening patients at the entrances, but now there are no visitors allowed, only the patient with a doc appt is able to come up. Used to be they could have 1 visitor with them, until some idiot the other day said he had an appointment and they found him wandering around the hospital...so now the scanners have to call the offices to confirm that the person does indeed have an appointment....


On my way in this morning I noticed they put porta potties on the sidewalk...I guess so the people who are waiting for a patient can use, since they aren't allowed to come in.


I about walked out on Monday...who the hell picked me to work? And why me? Bitches...


You might have to make an executive decision Penny. The mask thing is unacceptable. You need proper protective gear and a RAISE if you're going to stay. I would not blame you if you quit.

Apple was holding on to 9 million masks. When they were found out, they "donated" them. SEIU - Service Employees International Union suddenly "found" 39 million N95 masks (the good kind).

Why did SEIU manage to find them but the federal government didn’t?

BuzzFeed asked an SEIU spokesman why the distributor had such a gigantic stockpile of masks sitting around and he said he had no idea. Congrats to the union on a big — and weird — find, which basically doubles the number of masks in th... stockpile in one fell swoop.

The new inventory is still only enough to supply medical purchasers in New York and California, and the number represents just one percent of the 3.5 billion masks that are expected to be needed before the crisis ends, but it’s a start. Oh, and there’s another detail: “The masks are $5 each, and the union has no financial interest in the transactions.”


Five bucks? Don’t these masks normally go for 60 to 80 cents a pop? The distributor’s entitled to a little mark-up at a moment when demand is stratospheric, I guess, but a 700 percent return is an impressive case of plague profiteering.

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