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Reply #60 posted 03/25/20 7:21pm

IanRG

slyjackson said:

v10letblues said:

Well the evidence absolutely does point to the market and animals sold there. People are hungry and the culture accepts these foods. But I just find it unnecessary, petty and jacktastically sanctimonious to point fingers and call it a "perversion"

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Everybody need to chill and wait and then they can jump on soapboxes and decry all of the perverts.

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Anyhow, I just listened to Trump proclaim that without him we wouldn't even have a country.

one the one side the sanctimonious decry biblical perversions, in the other, someone calling himself our savior.

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oh brother indeed.

That's what it is, is inherent to their culture it seems the thorough disregard for animals.

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The treatment of feed animals by the west is nothing to be proud of - especially for pigs and chickens.

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Reply #61 posted 03/25/20 8:21pm

slyjackson

IanRG said:

slyjackson said:

That's what it is, is inherent to their culture it seems the thorough disregard for animals.

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The treatment of feed animals by the west is nothing to be proud of - especially for pigs and chickens.

I know, but they are much worse than us.

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Reply #62 posted 03/25/20 8:29pm

IanRG

slyjackson said:

IanRG said:

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The treatment of feed animals by the west is nothing to be proud of - especially for pigs and chickens.

I know, but they are much worse than us.

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That is a matter of opinion and one that allows for the systematic torture of billions of animals

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Reply #63 posted 03/25/20 11:05pm

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slyjackson said:

IanRG said:

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The treatment of feed animals by the west is nothing to be proud of - especially for pigs and chickens.

I know, but they are much worse than us.

I'm usually the first to want to discuss animal rights, but this is not the time. It's not a competition between West and East, both have major failings.

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Reply #64 posted 03/25/20 11:06pm

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Astasheiks said:

maplenpg said:

Because the other thread is still down I'd just like to share the experience of my friend so far, just so that those who think we shouldn't give medical aid know what they're up against. My friend is 50, and as I have said she is a nurse on the front line.

She describes the pain as being similar to someone taking a blowtorch to your skin and bones. She says it is absolute agony, unbearable. She has been vomitting green bile and has constant diarrhorea. She says she aches all over on top of everything else and feels completely wiped. Her work have said she has to go back on Saturday unless she gets even worse, as she's needed on the ward, no fourteen day self-isolation for her. You'll have more immunity they've told her. That's the best case scenario.

The staff on the ward are dropping like flies. They are as sick as the people they are treating. The reality is that if you let this wash through the system you'd have millions and millions of people unable to work because they are in the same situation she is currently in. Oh, and she's classed as having a mild case of it as she hasn't needed oxygen...yet. And she still can't get tested.

Where is she? sad Feel so sorry for her and anybody else in similar situation! neutral

She's in the UK. And thank you - me too. She's a tough cookie so hopefully she'll pull through.

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Reply #65 posted 03/25/20 11:21pm

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v10letblues said:

Everybody need to chill and wait and then they can jump on soapboxes and decry all of the perverts.


Chill and wait for what?

It's communist China, the world will never know the truth about how the pandemic started.

"Never let nasty stalkers disrespect you. They start shit, you finish it. Go down to their level, that's the only way they'll understand. You have to handle things yourself."
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Reply #66 posted 03/26/20 1:22am

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DiminutiveRocker said:

v10letblues said:

Oh brother...


here come the conspiracy theories....

Has nothing to do with conspiracy.

The SARS-Cov-2 virus is known for a long time. Typical carriers of the virus are bats.
What is new is that this generation of the virus mutated to dock onto the ACE2 receptors in humans.

Similar to previous SARS and MERS outbreakes. After which the Chinese government closed wild animal markets but failed to continue to do so

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Reply #67 posted 03/26/20 8:50am

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Here's a good piece from the Spectator that's kind of making a similar point as Tweety, calling for a flexible government approach to this, updated as the evidence changes. Right now we're really swinging in the dark with how we're approaching this thing.

Disappointed to see the thread descended into straight up racism blaming "the chinese."

[Edited 3/26/20 8:54am]

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Reply #68 posted 03/26/20 3:03pm

slyjackson

jaawwnn said:

Here's a good piece from the Spectator that's kind of making a similar point as Tweety, calling for a flexible government approach to this, updated as the evidence changes. Right now we're really swinging in the dark with how we're approaching this thing.

Disappointed to see the thread descended into straight up racism blaming "the chinese."

[Edited 3/26/20 8:54am]

So blaming the chinese people and their government is in your mind equal to racism? there's nothing racist about my statement.

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Reply #69 posted 03/26/20 3:49pm

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jaawwnn said:

Here's a good piece from the Spectator that's kind of making a similar point as Tweety, calling for a flexible government approach to this, updated as the evidence changes. Right now we're really swinging in the dark with how we're approaching this thing.

I saw an interresting item on the Austrian ServusTV news show today, saying that Sweden is doing exactly as what I would have liked to see happen. NOTHING.

Except telling those who might be at risk of dying to make sure they isolate themselves and those who feel ill to stay at home.

No restaurants closed, no schools closed, no lock-down, nothing of that. Life continues prety much as it was.

Curent figures for Sweden: 2840 infected, 77 dead.


Disappointed to see the thread descended into straight up racism blaming "the chinese."

[Edited 3/26/20 8:54am]


Oh come on... stop pulling the racism card.

It has been well established that the mutation of the SARS-CoV-2 virus happenen when people ate bats. For no reason but bragging about it.

SARS-CoV-2 closely resembles two other coronaviruses that have triggered outbreaks in recent decades, SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, and all three viruses seem to have originated in bats. In short, the characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 fall in line with what we know about other naturally occurring coronaviruses that made the jump from animals to people.

SOURCE

Even a chinese collegue of mine says it's higly irresponsible what some of her countrymen are eating. It is a well known fact that other SARS or MERS viral epedemics originated from the same kind of shit. (see above)



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[Edited 3/26/20 15:52pm]

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Reply #70 posted 03/26/20 4:15pm

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TweetyV6 said:

jaawwnn said:

Here's a good piece from the Spectator that's kind of making a similar point as Tweety, calling for a flexible government approach to this, updated as the evidence changes. Right now we're really swinging in the dark with how we're approaching this thing.

I saw an interresting item on the Austrian ServusTV news show today, saying that Sweden is doing exactly as what I would have liked to see happen. NOTHING.

Except telling those who might be at risk of dying to make sure they isolate themselves and those who feel ill to stay at home.

No restaurants closed, no schools closed, no lock-down, nothing of that. Life continues prety much as it was.

Curent figures for Sweden: 2840 infected, 77 dead.



Oh come on... stop pulling the racism card.

It has been well established that the mutation of the SARS-CoV-2 virus happenen when people ate bats. For no reason but bragging about it.

SARS-CoV-2 closely resembles two other coronaviruses that have triggered outbreaks in recent decades, SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, and all three viruses seem to have originated in bats. In short, the characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 fall in line with what we know about other naturally occurring coronaviruses that made the jump from animals to people.

SOURCE

Even a chinese collegue of mine says it's higly irresponsible what some of her countrymen are eating. It is a well known fact that other SARS or MERS viral epedemics originated from the same kind of shit. (see above)



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Well established by whom? My god, what an absolute load of horseshit.

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #71 posted 03/27/20 1:01am

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13cjk13 said:

TweetyV6 said:

t has been well established that the mutation of the SARS-CoV-2 virus happenen when people ate bats. For no reason but bragging about it.

SARS-CoV-2 closely resembles two other coronaviruses that have triggered outbreaks in recent decades, SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, and all three viruses seem to have originated in bats. In short, the characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 fall in line with what we know about other naturally occurring coronaviruses that made the jump from animals to people.

SOURCE

Even a chinese collegue of mine says it's higly irresponsible what some of her countrymen are eating. It is a well known fact that other SARS or MERS viral epedemics originated from the same kind of shit. (see above)


Well established by whom? My god, what an absolute load of horseshit.


Dear 13cjk13,
Maybe you could use some of your spare time to educate yourself. rolleyes

Here's some science for you:

Bat origin of human coronaviruses

TY - JOURAU - Hu, BenAU - Ge, XingyiAU - Wang, Lin-FaAU - Shi, ZhengliPY - 2015/12/01SP - T1 - Bat origin of human coronavirusesVL - 12DO - 10.1186/s12985-015-0422-1JO - Virology JournalER -

READ THIS THEN

Bats have been recognized as the natural reservoirs of a large variety of viruses. Special attention has been paid to bat coronaviruses as the two emerging coronaviruses which have caused unexpected human disease outbreaks in the 21st century, Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus (SARS-CoV) and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus (MERS-CoV), are suggested to be originated from bats. Various species of horseshoe bats in China have been found to harbor genetically diverse SARS-like coronaviruses. Some strains are highly similar to SARS-CoV even in the spike protein and are able to use the same receptor as SARS-CoV for cell entry. On the other hand, diverse coronaviruses phylogenetically related to MERS-CoV have been discovered worldwide in a wide range of bat species, some of which can be classified to the same coronavirus species as MERS-CoV. Coronaviruses genetically related to human coronavirus 229E and NL63 have been detected in bats as well. Moreover, intermediate hosts are believed to play an important role in the transmission and emergence of these coronaviruses from bats to humans. Understanding the bat origin of human coronaviruses is helpful for the prediction and prevention of another pandemic emergence in the future.

Take a look at Table 1 on page 4....


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Reply #72 posted 03/27/20 7:25am

jaawwnn

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slyjackson said:

jaawwnn said:

Here's a good piece from the Spectator that's kind of making a similar point as Tweety, calling for a flexible government approach to this, updated as the evidence changes. Right now we're really swinging in the dark with how we're approaching this thing.

Disappointed to see the thread descended into straight up racism blaming "the chinese."

[Edited 3/26/20 8:54am]

So blaming the chinese people and their government is in your mind equal to racism? there's nothing racist about my statement.

yes. By, uh, definition.

TweetyV6 said:

Oh come on... stop pulling the racism card.


It has been well established that the mutation of the SARS-CoV-2 virus happenen when people ate bats. For no reason but bragging about it.

SARS-CoV-2 closely resembles two other coronaviruses that have triggered outbreaks in recent decades, SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV, and all three viruses seem to have originated in bats. In short, the characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 fall in line with what we know about other naturally occurring coronaviruses that made the jump from animals to people.

SOURCE

Even a chinese collegue of mine says it's higly irresponsible what some of her countrymen are eating. It is a well known fact that other SARS or MERS viral epedemics originated from the same kind of shit. (see above)


No, i'll not stop using the "card," because it's both accurate and effective. There's a good LA Times commentary on the issue - there are clearly problems with these markets but we're talking one virus from a country with a billion people, a virus you see as inconsequential. I don't blame "chinese people" for this anymore than I blame "US people" as a whole for the bombs that get dropped on weddings in the middle east. If you want the poor to stop relying on dangerous methods of getting food then you might want to look into what's making them poor.


[Edited 3/27/20 7:38am]

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Reply #73 posted 03/27/20 9:19am

DiminutiveRock
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TweetyV6 said:


Dear 13cjk13,

Take a look at Table 1 on page 4....





lol

"Suddenly the whole nation is depending on the very people they don't believe should make $15/hour"
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Reply #74 posted 03/27/20 9:24am

13cjk13

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jaawwnn said:

slyjackson said:

SOURCE

Even a chinese collegue of mine says it's higly irresponsible what some of her countrymen are eating. It is a well known fact that other SARS or MERS viral epedemics originated from the same kind of shit. (see above)


No, i'll not stop using the "card," because it's both accurate and effective. There's a good LA Times commentary on the issue - there are clearly problems with these markets but we're talking one virus from a country with a billion people, a virus you see as inconsequential. I don't blame "chinese people" for this anymore than I blame "US people" as a whole for the bombs that get dropped on weddings in the middle east. If you want the poor to stop relying on dangerous methods of getting food then you might want to look into what's making them poor.


[Edited 3/27/20 7:38am]

Hey jaawwnn, just pretend racism doesn't exist. It makes life much more pleasant.

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #75 posted 03/27/20 9:28am

TweetyV6

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jaawwnn said:

slyjackson said:

SOURCE

Even a chinese collegue of mine says it's higly irresponsible what some of her countrymen are eating. It is a well known fact that other SARS or MERS viral epedemics originated from the same kind of shit. (see above)


No, i'll not stop using the "card," because it's both accurate and effective. There's a good LA Times commentary on the issue - there are clearly problems with these markets but we're talking one virus from a country with a billion people, a virus you see as inconsequential. I don't blame "chinese people" for this anymore than I blame "US people" as a whole for the bombs that get dropped on weddings in the middle east. If you want the poor to stop relying on dangerous methods of getting food then you might want to look into what's making them poor.


[Edited 3/27/20 7:38am]

The virus originated in China when Chinese people were eating a subspecies of bats only found in China on Chinese foodmarkets.

It's a Chinese virus. Basta. Grow a pair and deal with it.

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Reply #76 posted 03/27/20 9:54am

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TweetyV6 said:

jaawwnn said:

No, i'll not stop using the "card," because it's both accurate and effective. There's a good LA Times commentary on the issue - there are clearly problems with these markets but we're talking one virus from a country with a billion people, a virus you see as inconsequential. I don't blame "chinese people" for this anymore than I blame "US people" as a whole for the bombs that get dropped on weddings in the middle east. If you want the poor to stop relying on dangerous methods of getting food then you might want to look into what's making them poor.


[Edited 3/27/20 7:38am]

The virus originated in China when Chinese people were eating a subspecies of bats only found in China on Chinese foodmarkets.

It's a Chinese virus. Basta. Grow a pair and deal with it.


Fine, then the swine Flu should be renamed to AmericanFlu or USA Flu. Consistency should be key in naming these. If we are not willing to name any viruses after our country, which originate here, then we should not do that with other viruses that originate in other countries. If we are willing to name viruses that originate in another country after that country, then we should do that when the virus originates in our country.

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Reply #77 posted 03/27/20 10:12am

benni

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TweetyV6 said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


here come the conspiracy theories....

Has nothing to do with conspiracy.

The SARS-Cov-2 virus is known for a long time. Typical carriers of the virus are bats.
What is new is that this generation of the virus mutated to dock onto the ACE2 receptors in humans.

Similar to previous SARS and MERS outbreakes. After which the Chinese government closed wild animal markets but failed to continue to do so


Where are you getting the information that states SARS-Cov-2 was "known for a long time"?



For example, most respiratory viruses tend to infect either the upper or lower airways. In general, an upper-respiratory infection spreads more easily, but tends to be milder, while a lower-respiratory infection is harder to transmit, but is more severe. SARS-CoV-2 seems to infect both upper and lower airways, perhaps because it can exploit the ubiquitous furin. This double whammy could also conceivably explain why the virus can spread between people before symptoms show up—a trait that has made it so difficult to control. Perhaps it transmits while still confined to the upper airways, before making its way deeper and causing severe symptoms. All of this is plausible but totally hypothetical; the virus was only discovered in January, and most of its biology is still a mystery.

The new virus certainly seems to be effective at infecting humans, despite its animal origins. The closest wild relative of SARS-CoV-2 is found in bats, which suggests it originated in a bat, then jumped to humans either directly or through another species. (Another coronavirus found in wild pangolins also resembles SARS-CoV-2, but only in the small part of the spike that recognizes ACE2; the two viruses are otherwise dissimilar, and pangolins are unlikely to be the original reservoir of the new virus.) When SARS-classic first made this leap, a brief period of mutation was necessary for it to recognize ACE2 well. But SARS-CoV-2 could do that from day one. “It had already found its best way of being a [human] virus,” says Matthew Frieman of the University of Maryland School of Medicine.


https://www.theatlantic.c...us/608338/

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Reply #78 posted 03/27/20 10:19am

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BEIJING, Jan. 9 (Xinhua) -- Preliminary lab results showed a new-type coronavirus had caused the viral pneumonia in central China's Wuhan, according to Xu Jianguo, a Chinese expert who led a team to evaluate the pathogen test results.

The newly detected coronavirus is different from known human coronavirus species, said Xu, an academician of the Chinese Academy of Engineering.

Laboratory tests on samples from patients found 15 positive results of the new-type coronavirus, and the virus was isolated from one patient's samples, according to Xu.

Six human coronaviruses species have been discovered, four of which only cause mild respiratory symptoms. The rest two are linked to SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) and MERS (Middle East Respiratory Syndrome), respectively.


http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-01/09/c_138690570.htm




I am finding nothing to indicate that the virus which causes Covid-19 was known for years.

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Reply #79 posted 03/27/20 10:21am

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And here is Who naming the virus that causes Covid-19. (If it had been known for years, it would have already been named.)


https://www.who.int/emerg...-causes-it

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Reply #80 posted 03/27/20 10:30am

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Benni's info > tweety's

"Suddenly the whole nation is depending on the very people they don't believe should make $15/hour"
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Reply #81 posted 03/27/20 11:30am

13cjk13

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TweetyV6 said:

jaawwnn said:

No, i'll not stop using the "card," because it's both accurate and effective. There's a good LA Times commentary on the issue - there are clearly problems with these markets but we're talking one virus from a country with a billion people, a virus you see as inconsequential. I don't blame "chinese people" for this anymore than I blame "US people" as a whole for the bombs that get dropped on weddings in the middle east. If you want the poor to stop relying on dangerous methods of getting food then you might want to look into what's making them poor.


[Edited 3/27/20 7:38am]

The virus originated in China when Chinese people were eating a subspecies of bats only found in China on Chinese foodmarkets.

It's a Chinese virus. Basta. Grow a pair and deal with it.

Again, WHERE IN THE FUCK ARE YOU GETTING THIS BULLSHIT INFORMATION? Please point out the "eating" part to me. I just wasted 1/2 hour of my life reading that nonsense and couldn't find the reference to the "eating of bats" or the "eating of camels". You may just have to post a few more GIGANTIC GRAPHS for all of us to enjoy.

[Edited 3/27/20 11:46am]

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #82 posted 03/27/20 12:20pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

Benni's info > tweety's


I hate that I have to research things so much. lol I have about 10 windows open right now, because I'm still looking into this and finding it so fascinating. I'll open one window and it will point to different sources, so then I have to open those sources to see what they say, and so on and so forth.

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Reply #83 posted 03/28/20 2:51am

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benni said:

TweetyV6 said:

The virus originated in China when Chinese people were eating a subspecies of bats only found in China on Chinese foodmarkets.

It's a Chinese virus. Basta. Grow a pair and deal with it.


Fine, then the swine Flu should be renamed to AmericanFlu or USA Flu. Consistency should be key in naming these. If we are not willing to name any viruses after our country, which originate here, then we should not do that with other viruses that originate in other countries. If we are willing to name viruses that originate in another country after that country, then we should do that when the virus originates in our country.

That used to be the case.
But due to social pressure, naming conventions have been changed.

Look up virusesses & nomenclature guidelines, if you're interrested.

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Reply #84 posted 03/28/20 3:02am

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benni said:

TweetyV6 said:

Has nothing to do with conspiracy.

The SARS-Cov-2 virus is known for a long time. Typical carriers of the virus are bats.
What is new is that this generation of the virus mutated to dock onto the ACE2 receptors in humans.

Similar to previous SARS and MERS outbreakes. After which the Chinese government closed wild animal markets but failed to continue to do so


Where are you getting the information that states SARS-Cov-2 was "known for a long time"?



For example, most respiratory viruses tend to infect either the upper or lower airways. In general, an upper-respiratory infection spreads more easily, but tends to be milder, while a lower-respiratory infection is harder to transmit, but is more severe. SARS-CoV-2 seems to infect both upper and lower airways, perhaps because it can exploit the ubiquitous furin. This double whammy could also conceivably explain why the virus can spread between people before symptoms show up—a trait that has made it so difficult to control. Perhaps it transmits while still confined to the upper airways, before making its way deeper and causing severe symptoms. All of this is plausible but totally hypothetical; the virus was only discovered in January, and most of its biology is still a mystery.

The new virus certainly seems to be effective at infecting humans, despite its animal origins. The closest wild relative of SARS-CoV-2 is found in bats, which suggests it originated in a bat, then jumped to humans either directly or through another species. (Another coronavirus found in wild pangolins also resembles SARS-CoV-2, but only in the small part of the spike that recognizes ACE2; the two viruses are otherwise dissimilar, and pangolins are unlikely to be the original reservoir of the new virus.) When SARS-classic first made this leap, a brief period of mutation was necessary for it to recognize ACE2 well. But SARS-CoV-2 could do that from day one. “It had already found its best way of being a [human] virus,” says Matthew Frieman of the University of Maryland School of Medicine.


https://www.theatlantic.c...us/608338/


Man, o, man....

HERE the family of coronaviruses is known since the '60's

Wat is new is that the SARS-CoV-2 one has mutated (probably from bat-SL-CoVZC45 or bat-SL-CoVZXC21) to be able to dock onto the ACE2 receptors in the human respiratory tract.

That's new.
But has been predicted, see link to paper in reply#72


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Reply #85 posted 03/28/20 4:10am

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TweetyV6 said:

benni said:


Where are you getting the information that states SARS-Cov-2 was "known for a long time"?



For example, most respiratory viruses tend to infect either the upper or lower airways. In general, an upper-respiratory infection spreads more easily, but tends to be milder, while a lower-respiratory infection is harder to transmit, but is more severe. SARS-CoV-2 seems to infect both upper and lower airways, perhaps because it can exploit the ubiquitous furin. This double whammy could also conceivably explain why the virus can spread between people before symptoms show up—a trait that has made it so difficult to control. Perhaps it transmits while still confined to the upper airways, before making its way deeper and causing severe symptoms. All of this is plausible but totally hypothetical; the virus was only discovered in January, and most of its biology is still a mystery.

The new virus certainly seems to be effective at infecting humans, despite its animal origins. The closest wild relative of SARS-CoV-2 is found in bats, which suggests it originated in a bat, then jumped to humans either directly or through another species. (Another coronavirus found in wild pangolins also resembles SARS-CoV-2, but only in the small part of the spike that recognizes ACE2; the two viruses are otherwise dissimilar, and pangolins are unlikely to be the original reservoir of the new virus.) When SARS-classic first made this leap, a brief period of mutation was necessary for it to recognize ACE2 well. But SARS-CoV-2 could do that from day one. “It had already found its best way of being a [human] virus,” says Matthew Frieman of the University of Maryland School of Medicine.


https://www.theatlantic.c...us/608338/


Man, o, man....

HERE the family of coronaviruses is known since the '60's

Wat is new is that the SARS-CoV-2 one has mutated (probably from bat-SL-CoVZC45 or bat-SL-CoVZXC21) to be able to dock onto the ACE2 receptors in the human respiratory tract.

That's new.
But has been predicted, see link to paper in reply#72


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Your link doesn't work. It takes me to a google page in another language.

You've stated above "The SARS-Cov-2 virus is known for a long time". No, it hasn't. SARS Cov-2 was a novel virus, a new virus. Coronaviruses have been known about for many years, yes, but not the SARS Cov-2. Every research paper that I can find reiterates that Sars-Cov-2 is a NOVEL (new) virus, which indicates that it has not been known for a long time. Many scientists and microbiologists and viruologists are stating that much about this virus is still a mystery because this is a brand new virus.

And which link in reply #72?

The link that's in Dutch?

The link from the CDC about flu numbers?

Or the link about WHO pandemic?

Or the link about Council of Europe voiced serious concerns (regarding the change to what defines a pandemic on the WHO's main page)?

I can't read Dutch. And none of the other are related to what we are talking about here now.

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Reply #86 posted 03/28/20 8:23am

13cjk13

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TweetyV6 said:

benni said:


Fine, then the swine Flu should be renamed to AmericanFlu or USA Flu. Consistency should be key in naming these. If we are not willing to name any viruses after our country, which originate here, then we should not do that with other viruses that originate in other countries. If we are willing to name viruses that originate in another country after that country, then we should do that when the virus originates in our country.

That used to be the case.
But due to social pressure, naming conventions have been changed.

Look up virusesses & nomenclature guidelines, if you're interrested.

Or, you could post a bullshit graph about it.

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #87 posted 03/28/20 1:35pm

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IN the end, the only graph that will matter is the flatten the the curve graph. That's the action we are taking and that's the graph from the people who what they are talking about,

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Reply #88 posted 03/28/20 4:25pm

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v10letblues said:

IN the end, the only graph that will matter is the flatten the the curve graph. That's the action we are taking and that's the graph from the people who what they are talking about,

Exactly.

"If we had had confidence the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
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Reply #89 posted 03/29/20 10:07am

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13cjk13 said:

v10letblues said:

IN the end, the only graph that will matter is the flatten the the curve graph. That's the action we are taking and that's the graph from the people who what they are talking about,

Exactly.



100% right

"Suddenly the whole nation is depending on the very people they don't believe should make $15/hour"
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