DiminutiveRocker said:

PennyPurple said:

That's why it's so important to pick a strong VP. It may start getting people excited for him.

I'm also getting a little worried that they may want to postpone the election in Nov.

Sick as the idea is, I wouldn't put it past Trump to "re-open" the country and prompt a second covid wave in order to move the election.

Part of his wash over strategy cborg posted. He is talking about it again this week. The Fed Gov doesn't care if you die, in many ways it's cheaper. And Trump certainly doesn't give a rat's ass who dies.

poppys said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Sick as the idea is, I wouldn't put it past Trump to "re-open" the country and prompt a second covid wave in order to move the election.

Part of his wash over strategy cborg posted. He is talking about it again this week. The Fed Gov doesn't care if you die, in many ways it's cheaper. And Trump certainly doesn't give a rat's ass who dies.

this is aman who cares more about ratings than effective leadership.

cborgman said:

poppys said:

Part of his wash over strategy cborg posted. He is talking about it again this week. The Fed Gov doesn't care if you die, in many ways it's cheaper. And Trump certainly doesn't give a rat's ass who dies.

this is aman who cares more about ratings than effective leadership.

Well, if the blue states affected can mantain a safe reopen strategy, then his dickhead plot could be foiled.

DiminutiveRocker said:

cborgman said:

this is aman who cares more about ratings than effective leadership.

Well, if the blue states affected can mantain a safe reopen strategy, then his dickhead plot could be foiled.

heres to november, too

At this point, o one cares what Trump has to say. All we care is what the experts say is safe. Politics do matter to people right now. All we care about is the safety our our families and when it's safe to go back to work.

v10letblues said:

At this point, o one cares what Trump has to say. All we care is what the experts say is safe. Politics do matter to people right now. All we care about is the safety our our families and when it's safe to go back to work.

I trust my local politicians will err on the side of public safety. God save those states that follow the orange house.

Semi-related in terms of how we will vote in November:

Trump's GOP Canddiate loses in spite of the courts rulings in Wisonsin

Trump seemed to respond to the results Tuesday morning between attacks on the country’s governors for questioning his authority as president.

“GET RID OF BALLOT HARVESTING, IT IS RAMPANT WITH FRAUD. THE USA MUST HAVE VOTER I.D., THE ONLY WAY TO GET AN HONEST COUNT!” tweeted Trump, overlooking the fact that in Wisconsin absentee ballots are required to include a photocopy of a person’s identification card, and there has been no evidence of wide-scale or organized fraud involving mail-in votes.

There is a push by Democrats for nationwide voting by mail to be implemented in advance of November’s general election as a backup plan if the coronavirus is still making in-person voting a public health hazard. (Poll workers from Florida and Illinois have died of COVID-19 after working the two states’ March 17 primaries.) Trump has resisted, claiming the practice is ripe for fraud despite evidence to the contrary, including the fact that a number of states already ...te-by-mail. Trump himself voted by mail in last month’s Florida primary.

Last month, Trump directly stated that an increase in voting would hurt his party, saying proposed reforms would result in “levels of voting, that if you ever agreed to it you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again.”

The ballot harvesting Trump alluded to in his tweet is the process of an organizer or volunteer collecting ballots. There is one recent instance of ballot harvesting altering an election, but it wasn’t to the benefit of Democrats. In 2018, an operative working for GOP congressional candidate Mark Harris tampered with ballots in the race for North Carolina�...l District. The results, in which Harris led by 905 votes over Democrat Dan McCready, were never certified by t...tion board. A new election was held in September 2019, and McCready lost narrowly to Dan Bishop, a GOP state senator.

When Trump was asked about the fraud in February 2019, he said, “I condemn any election fraud” before pivoting to accusing Democrats of ballot tampering.

Trump and his administrat...acy theory that there were millions of illegal votes in California to explain why he lost the national popular vote to Hillary Clinton in 2016. Republicans have raised suspicions about the results of the 2018 midterms, when election-night leads by some GOP candidates evaporated after additional ballots were counted. There is no evidence historically to support Trump’s assertion, and multiple studies have found instances of voting fraud to be vanishingly small. A comprehensive 2014 report examining yea... instances of credible fraud out of 1 billion votes cast. A survey of news reports after the 2016 election by the Washington Post turned up four reported instances. In February 2017, White House adviser Steph...d ABC News there was evidence that voters from other states were bused into New Hampshire. So far the administration has not provided such evidence.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-wisconsin-election-coronavirus-jill-karofsky-daniel-kelly-191815207.html

[Edited 4/15/20 17:58pm]

[Edited 4/22/20 22:08pm]

DiminutiveRocker said:

I know it's early, but....

Biden Leads Trump in Michigan, Pennsylvania: Campaign Update

Emma Kinery

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Bloomberg•April 22, 2020

(Bloomberg) -- Joe Biden has significant leads over President Donald Trump in Michigan and Pennsylvania, two Fox News polls showed.

The polls both found the presumptive Democratic nominee leading the incumbent president by 8 points in the swing states, which could have a decisive role in the November election. Fox found Biden ahead in Michigan 49% to 41% and leading 50% to 42% in Pennsylvania.

In Pennsylvania, 51% of respondents said they disapproved of Trump’s performance, compared with 47% who approved. The result was identical in Michigan. Trump narrowly won both states in 2016.

The polls were conducted April 18-21 and had a margin of error of 3.5 percentage points.

Nationally, Biden leads Trump 48% to 42% in the RealClearPolitics polling average.

I will take it! For fortitude if nothing else.

poppys said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

I know it's early, but....

Biden Leads Trump in Michigan, Pennsylvania: Campaign Update

Emma Kinery

,

Bloomberg•April 22, 2020

(Bloomberg) -- Joe Biden has significant leads over President Donald Trump in Michigan and Pennsylvania, two Fox News polls showed.

The polls both found the presumptive Democratic nominee leading the incumbent president by 8 points in the swing states, which could have a decisive role in the November election. Fox found Biden ahead in Michigan 49% to 41% and leading 50% to 42% in Pennsylvania.

In Pennsylvania, 51% of respondents said they disapproved of Trump’s performance, compared with 47% who approved. The result was identical in Michigan. Trump narrowly won both states in 2016.

The polls were conducted April 18-21 and had a margin of error of 3.5 percentage points.

Nationally, Biden leads Trump 48% to 42% in the RealClearPolitics polling average.

I will take it! For fortitude if nothing else.

Polls can be deceiving as we saw in 2016. In 2020 it has to be boots on the ground and getting out the vote - aiming towards all of those who just skipped voting because they didn't like the choices or voted for a their party candidate. I am hoping that those in the rust belt with small business see the PPP going to large coprorations (who already got huge tax cuts, thanks to Agent Orange) will see the light that the current adminstration does not really give a shit about them.

Pokeno4Money said:

BombSquad said:

^^ LOL I'm sure Fox tells you that, right? did they paint that neat chart?

You can find it on the NY Times website, and several other places. But knowing how you feel about America, why bother?

bullshit. the chart you posted was intentionally cut of after a few days, and at the time you posted it was already wayyyy outdated. stil you choose to take an old one and ignore the current numbers, in your primitive attempt to deceive and manipulate

typical sharpie MAGA dipshit method

fact remains, that the numbers during the first few days from your chart were only lower because whiny bitch and the most inefficient health care service in the whole Western world, simply did not do enough testing! yes, less tests = less infections... bravo!!!! here's a cookie LMFAO

but hey, just look at the NYT chart now: thanks to a great competent leadership, you are number 1 now! worldwide !!!! Thank you Mr. President!!

[Edited 4/24/20 2:11am]

Even as someone who follows politics, i have a hard time wanting to even think about the election. I can see regular joes being even less interested. People just want things to get back to normal.

v10letblues said:

Even as someone who follows politics, i have a hard time wanting to even think about the election. I can see regular joes being even less interested. People just want things to get back to normal.

True, but on the ohter hand every time Trump opens his trap I find myself for his removal from the WH and how that day will be beyond joyous. HE NEEDS TO GO!

DiminutiveRocker said:

v10letblues said:

Even as someone who follows politics, i have a hard time wanting to even think about the election. I can see regular joes being even less interested. People just want things to get back to normal.

True, but on the ohter hand every time Trump opens his trap I find myself for his removal from the WH and how that day will be beyond joyous. HE NEEDS TO GO!

yeah the closer we get, the more passionate people will hopefully get.

v10letblues said:

Even as someone who follows politics, i have a hard time wanting to even think about the election. I can see regular joes being even less interested. People just want things to get back to normal.

It won't be anywhere near back to normal until we vote the fucker out. I see it as something to look forward to.

The good news is that recent polls show Biden lead in a few battleground states.

[Edited 4/24/20 7:41am]

v10letblues said:

The good news is that recent polls show Biden lead in a few battleground states.

2020 ELECTIONS

Trump's poor poll numbers... November

Pump up Trump or go after Biden? Top Republicans are advocating different strategies for a struggling president to win reelection.

BY ALEX ISENSTADT

[Edited 4/24/20 7:41am]

He has always looked bad to me, but in this picture above he looks like he has aged 10 years in the last 2 months. Is it just me?


The election is going to be bizarre under current conditions. Trump has a captive audience everyday on a national stage, so Biden will have to carefully make his presence known by making many TV appearances and virtual town halls since he cannot campaign. They can probably still have televised debates (no audience) but no organized rallies this year. Trump does like the optics of people cheering his every absurd utterance and he will not have that but I am sure his TV ads will show all of those past rallies.

2020, what an effin' year.

Hillary endorses Biden. The Democrat unification is pretty much complete.

v10letblues said:

Here is an interesting anecdotal observation. I work for a major online retailer and have seen a pretty good uptick in Trump mech (hats, banners, pins, shirts, novelty and GOP pins.) I have seen virtually ZERO Biden merch in stock, much less sold. . Sure Trump is THER President do the USA and has been so for 3 years, but we had seen a lot of Bernie merch selling and shipping. Even Hillary merch. I know this may not mean much, but i doubt many/any dems are excited to go out and wear Biden merch, much less buy it. . I hate to keep sounding negative on Biden, but all he has going is that he is not Trump. Hopefully that’s enough.

^ that and he is endorsed by everyone who is anyone in the Dem party - spanning the liberal spectrum. It doe snot even need to be Dems who vote for him - independents and smarter republicns who see the err in their 2016 vote.
It's all about getting out the vote - getting as many people as possible to the polls.


Not too worried about Biden merch. I have never worn any campaign merch - except I think I had a Sheppard Fairey 'Hope' t-shirt which I gave to my niece. I see more stickers and lawn signs

v10letblues said:

^ But you get what I mean though. There is just no excitement for the man. And I am positive you will be hearing that a lot in the next few months. Unlike Trump fans who have no standards, there are those of us who worry how this happened. Don’t get me wrong I 100% like where Biden is coming from and what he represents, I worry about the party. A Democratic Party with the batshit element of so called progressives. We have Popular figures like Bernie Sanders who always went out of his way to lambast “big pharma” and now here we are looking desperately at Big Pharma to provide tests and a vaccine. How do you embrace popular cult personalities like Bernie and Trump who you know are nuts? Biden represents what the Democratic Party needs to be, but he is not the right candidate and is way past his prime. . I like Bernie and AOC on many levels, but also know enough that him and AOC are wrong. There is a balance. Democrats have always been wild cards but the party still somehow gravitated to the middle. Somewhere along the way the crazies took over both on the right and left.

The excitement should come from the act of voting this cancer out of office and securing his place behind bars where he belongs. The fact that people don't feel this shows that they are not paying attention and that is precisely what is wrong with this country. People should be OVER THE MOON to be able to cast their ballot, for ANYONE but rapistdonald, and in doing so, eject this monster and truly make this country great again.

13cjk13 said:

v10letblues said:

^ But you get what I mean though. There is just no excitement for the man. And I am positive you will be hearing that a lot in the next few months. Unlike Trump fans who have no standards, there are those of us who worry how this happened. Don’t get me wrong I 100% like where Biden is coming from and what he represents, I worry about the party. A Democratic Party with the batshit element of so called progressives. We have Popular figures like Bernie Sanders who always went out of his way to lambast “big pharma” and now here we are looking desperately at Big Pharma to provide tests and a vaccine. How do you embrace popular cult personalities like Bernie and Trump who you know are nuts? Biden represents what the Democratic Party needs to be, but he is not the right candidate and is way past his prime. . I like Bernie and AOC on many levels, but also know enough that him and AOC are wrong. There is a balance. Democrats have always been wild cards but the party still somehow gravitated to the middle. Somewhere along the way the crazies took over both on the right and left.

The excitement should come from the act of voting this cancer out of office and securing his place behind bars where he belongs. The fact that people don't feel this shows that they are not paying attention and that is precisely what is wrong with this country. People should be OVER THE MOON to be able to cast their ballot, for ANYONE but rapistdonald, and in doing so, eject this monster and truly make this country great again.

It's a matter of knowing that Biden will strive to represent this country's best interests, Trump has not and will not.

v10letblues said:

Here is an interesting anecdotal observation. I work for a major online retailer and have seen a pretty good uptick in Trump mech (hats, banners, pins, shirts, novelty and GOP pins.) I have seen virtually ZERO Biden merch in stock, much less sold. . Sure Trump is THER President do the USA and has been so for 3 years, but we had seen a lot of Bernie merch selling and shipping. Even Hillary merch. I know this may not mean much, but i doubt many/any dems are excited to go out and wear Biden merch, much less buy it. . I hate to keep sounding negative on Biden, but all he has going is that he is not Trump. Hopefully that’s enough.

Who buys merch? Bernie buyers are younger, which is fine, group identity can be crucial then. Trump buyers are more involved in the lock-step thing so they like fake uniforms.

[Edited 4/29/20 13:49pm]

v10letblues said:

An interesting aside about a lot of Trump merch, the packaging usually covers the entire thing as to be discrete when it’s being handled and delivered. As if it was porn or a dildo or something you don’t want the neighbors getting a peek at. . I have an older friend who is a trump supporter and she told me she wouldn’t display anything around the house to show it. Like her dirty little secret. I think there are a lot of folks who feel that way. [Edited 4/29/20 13:40pm]

v10letblues said:

An interesting aside about a lot of Trump merch, the packaging usually covers the entire thing as to be discrete when it’s being handled and delivered. As if it was porn or a dildo or something you don’t want the neighbors getting a peek at. . I have an older friend who is a trump supporter and she told me she wouldn’t display anything around the house to show it. Like her dirty little secret. I think there are a lot of folks who feel that way. [Edited 4/29/20 13:40pm]

Really disturbing that they feel the need to have merchandise with his likeness and slogans on it. Such a sickening cult of losers.

13cjk13 said:

v10letblues said:

An interesting aside about a lot of Trump merch, the packaging usually covers the entire thing as to be discrete when it’s being handled and delivered. As if it was porn or a dildo or something you don’t want the neighbors getting a peek at. . I have an older friend who is a trump supporter and she told me she wouldn’t display anything around the house to show it. Like her dirty little secret. I think there are a lot of folks who feel that way. [Edited 4/29/20 13:40pm]

Really disturbing that they feel the need to have merchandise with his likeness and slogans on it. Such a sickening cult of losers.

It's not that unusual - there were tons for Obama.

I hear the Orangeman is on melt-down mode - threatening to fire his campaign manager because the ealry polls are shoing Biden ahead in the swing states.