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2.5 billion people globally currently under sanctions. Covid-19 and health under sanctions

The Covid-19 virus which is currently affecting people everywhere which has resulted in declarations of states of emergency and pandemics is going to affect 2.5 billion people globally harder than the rest of the world, and this is due to sanctions imposed on the people of these nations. And in many cases it’s due to resources the west want to control and own. and overthrowing governments that don’t want to follow this agenda.
Iran is the worse hit country of those nations which are currently under sanctions.
Many within Iran including the president has asked that the sanctions be lifted so they can provide the emergency services, treatments and so forth to combat the virus.
Venezuela another country under sanctions for resources has also had its assets frozen from oil and other resource revenues, 100,000 have died since the sanctions. and now as the Covid-19 virus becomes a health crisis globally, Venezuela have been denied a loan from the IMF to combat Covid-19. Likely due to their refusal to agree to the conditions for lifting the sanctions.
Either way they are under economic colonialism, with threats of military invasion if they don’t agree to the terms of lifting the sanctions.

Also bear in mind, for many of the 2.5 billion under sanctions they have been battling virus pandemics like this and worse.
whilst many nations under sanctions have not yet been affected by Covid-19 like the west, places like Yemen have been battling cholera outbreaks which has claimed thousands of lives.
A cholera outbreak caused by an infrastructure destroyed by war. A conflict where both sides are being sold and armed with weapons by western weapons manufacturers.

Now is the time for what many have being asking, including some u.n officials and many other organisations and institutions, is that sanctions be classified as an act of terror, an act of violence and war for the purpose of political coercion.



Below are some articles covering how the sanctions will mean that Covid-19 will impact the 2.5 billion people globally under sanctions and how refusal to lift the sanctions means that these are deaths that would have been avoidable if the sanctions are not lifted now.




Suffering under the weight of U.S. sanctions and a serious economic and political crisis, Venezuela is bracing for a potentially disastrous outbreak of COVID-19 as the pandemic sweeps across the globe.

https://www.google.com.au...id-19/amp/


Calls on United States (U.S.) President Donald Trump to ease economic sanctions on Iran are multiplying, as the Persian country is one of the world's most affected by the coronavirus outbreak, infecting 16,169 people and killing 988 so far in the country.
https://www.telesurenglis...y7BmWEkF84





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What coronavirus revealed about national mindsets across the world

https://www.independent.c...cWm4Tu3GIk
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We've got our own problems in the US. We can't take care of the World.

Why aren't you calling out the sanctions that the EU or the UN has on these countries? Why just the US?


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PennyPurple said:

We've got our own problems in the US. We can't take care of the World.


Why aren't you calling out the sanctions that the EU or the UN has on these countries? Why just the US?



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The term “the west” is Europe and all its colonies including Australia, the u.s and Canada.
2.5 billion figure covers everyone under sanctions, that includes ALL sanctions.
It just happens to be that majority sanctions are western imposed and those 2.5 billion targeted under sanctions are mostly non-western countries and non-European peoples.

No-one asking “the west” to take care of anyone.
It’s a condemnation of sanctions and war across the board.
We are asking that the torture and violence stop, and that the aspirations of racial and class dominance globally via the economic colonialism and violence of sanctions and war be stopped now.





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PennyPurple said:

We've got our own problems in the US. We can't take care of the World.

Why aren't you calling out the sanctions that the EU or the UN has on these countries? Why just the US?



#keepthesanctions

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You sound like Nazi Germany with a combination of nationalism, economic populism and the recalibration of utopian terms such as “us” and “we” to be one that only constitutes of “westerners” and those who are willing to support western hegemony.

More Importantly, can I ask why on earth does lifting sanctions so others can also combat Covid-19 and other health issues is such a problem for you?



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Due to this current administration that cares more about filling their own coffers, America is about to go into a very very dark place. We are woefully unprepared for what is going to happen in the next month. City folk if you have anywhere to go that is rural or less populated suburbs go now. If you live in rural america, dont act like this wont effect yall. It will. We are less prepared than Italy was and they are now using the military to bury their dead.

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We are less prepared than Italy was and they are now using the military to bury their dead.


I disagree. Italy was far less prepared, and they are paying the price for it. Could the US have done more to prepare? Absolutely.

And as mentioned before, Italy's population is far older than America's ... that's why they have a high percentage of fatalities. They have always had one of the longest life expectancies in the world.



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PennyPurple said:

We've got our own problems in the US. We can't take care of the World.

Why aren't you calling out the sanctions that the EU or the UN has on these countries? Why just the US?


#keepthesanctions

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Hello, the world agrees. And yet here you are, with 300+ military bases all over the world and involved in so many active wars right now that i've forgotten half of them.


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Hello, the world agrees. And yet here you are, with 300+ military bases all over the world and involved in so many active wars right now that i've forgotten half of them.



Are you saying you believe in isolationism?

Do you not think that, as the world's only remaining superpower, the US has an obligation to help police and stabilize other parts of the world?

You do realize those bases are there because the hosting countries WANT them there, or believe it's for the best.


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hausofmoi7 said:

The Covid-19 virus which is currently affecting people everywhere which has resulted in declarations of states of emergency and pandemics is going to affect 2.5 billion people globally harder than the rest of the world, and this is due to sanctions imposed on the people of these nations. And in many cases it’s due to resources the west want to control and own. and overthrowing governments that don’t want to follow this agenda. Iran is the worse hit country of those nations which are currently under sanctions. Many within Iran including the president has asked that the sanctions be lifted so they can provide the emergency services, treatments and so forth to combat the virus. Venezuela another country under sanctions for resources has also had its assets frozen from oil and other resource revenues, 100,000 have died since the sanctions. and now as the Covid-19 virus becomes a health crisis globally, Venezuela have been denied a loan from the IMF to combat Covid-19. Likely due to their refusal to agree to the conditions for lifting the sanctions. Either way they are under economic colonialism, with threats of military invasion if they don’t agree to the terms of lifting the sanctions. Also bear in mind, for many of the 2.5 billion under sanctions they have been battling virus pandemics like this and worse. whilst many nations under sanctions have not yet been affected by Covid-19 like the west, places like Yemen have been battling cholera outbreaks which has claimed thousands of lives. A cholera outbreak caused by an infrastructure destroyed by war. A conflict where both sides are being sold and armed with weapons by western weapons manufacturers. Now is the time for what many have being asking, including some u.n officials and many other organisations and institutions, is that sanctions be classified as an act of terror, an act of violence and war for the purpose of political coercion. Below are some articles covering how the sanctions will mean that Covid-19 will impact the 2.5 billion people globally under sanctions and how refusal to lift the sanctions means that these are deaths that would have been avoidable if the sanctions are not lifted now. Suffering under the weight of U.S. sanctions and a serious economic and political crisis, Venezuela is bracing for a potentially disastrous outbreak of COVID-19 as the pandemic sweeps across the globe. https://www.google.com.au...id-19/amp/ Calls on United States (U.S.) President Donald Trump to ease economic sanctions on Iran are multiplying, as the Persian country is one of the world's most affected by the coronavirus outbreak, infecting 16,169 people and killing 988 so far in the country. https://www.telesurenglis...y7BmWEkF84 . [Edited 3/18/20 7:58am]


What can be done to help with this hausofmoi7?

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CherryMoon57 said:



hausofmoi7 said:


The Covid-19 virus which is currently affecting people everywhere which has resulted in declarations of states of emergency and pandemics is going to affect 2.5 billion people globally harder than the rest of the world, and this is due to sanctions imposed on the people of these nations. And in many cases it’s due to resources the west want to control and own. and overthrowing governments that don’t want to follow this agenda. Iran is the worse hit country of those nations which are currently under sanctions. Many within Iran including the president has asked that the sanctions be lifted so they can provide the emergency services, treatments and so forth to combat the virus. Venezuela another country under sanctions for resources has also had its assets frozen from oil and other resource revenues, 100,000 have died since the sanctions. and now as the Covid-19 virus becomes a health crisis globally, Venezuela have been denied a loan from the IMF to combat Covid-19. Likely due to their refusal to agree to the conditions for lifting the sanctions. Either way they are under economic colonialism, with threats of military invasion if they don’t agree to the terms of lifting the sanctions. Also bear in mind, for many of the 2.5 billion under sanctions they have been battling virus pandemics like this and worse. whilst many nations under sanctions have not yet been affected by Covid-19 like the west, places like Yemen have been battling cholera outbreaks which has claimed thousands of lives. A cholera outbreak caused by an infrastructure destroyed by war. A conflict where both sides are being sold and armed with weapons by western weapons manufacturers. Now is the time for what many have being asking, including some u.n officials and many other organisations and institutions, is that sanctions be classified as an act of terror, an act of violence and war for the purpose of political coercion. Below are some articles covering how the sanctions will mean that Covid-19 will impact the 2.5 billion people globally under sanctions and how refusal to lift the sanctions means that these are deaths that would have been avoidable if the sanctions are not lifted now. Suffering under the weight of U.S. sanctions and a serious economic and political crisis, Venezuela is bracing for a potentially disastrous outbreak of COVID-19 as the pandemic sweeps across the globe. https://www.google.com.au...id-19/amp/ Calls on United States (U.S.) President Donald Trump to ease economic sanctions on Iran are multiplying, as the Persian country is one of the world's most affected by the coronavirus outbreak, infecting 16,169 people and killing 988 so far in the country. https://www.telesurenglis...y7BmWEkF84 . [Edited 3/18/20 7:58am]


What can be done to help with this hausofmoi7?




Lift sanctions and to stop bombing places like Yemen which is exasperating the health crisis globally. If Covid-19 reaches places like Yemen it’s will be another catastrophe they have to deal with.
Covid-19 has the potential to be catastrophically worse for all people under sanctions and people under western military occupation or invasion.

Just like the impact of Covid-19 in the west will also affect people differently depending on their class and race, and the ability to self-isolate (homeless and destitute with temporary accomodation on the verge of being homeless and unable to self-isolate.)
Impact of Covid-19 in the west will also vary depend on which medications different people will be given to treat Covid-19 based on their class.

The reactions to Covid-19 in the west is varied and it appears it depends on race and/ or class.
Some people unfortunately expect and are used to things like this, as there is historical precedent for certain groups of people and also through their personal experiences to expect such things.
Other people don’t expect or anticipate things like this could happen to “people like them” so naturally they are hysterical.

lift sanctions so others can also combat Covid-19 and a long list of other deadly diseases caused directly by war and exasperated by sanctions

all those who are currently in government to be banned from holding any position within any government or hold any position that involves decisions that impacts people other themselves in any way.
as they clearly don’t have the empathy to make decisions that won’t benefit them directly, or make the appropriate and effective decisions on issues that won’t impact them directly.
And some to be taken to The Hague for genocide and war crimes.

These are a few things that can be done politically now, and some will say its naive, and I understand as there is actually no historical precedent for such action or empathy for “non-western” peoples.


Unlike depleted uranium in Iraq, Cholera in Yemen or Africa and other places being attacked militarily and through economic terrorism, what is unique about Covid-19 is that it can affect westerners, particularly middle class and rich people.
So perhaps now we can finally...

Lift sanctions so everyone can also combat Covid-19 and the plethora of other diseases that sanctions and war have created around the world.
Stop the wars that are causing diseases and contaminating soil and air with depleted uranium that is causing disease and reducing birth rates in non western countries as people are too scared to have children. As children are dying of cancer and other diseases caused by the depleted uranium contamination.
Depleted uranium will remain radioactive for 4 billion years and continue to cause cancer unless it’s removed from the soil of all nations that have being attacked militarily with depleted uranium.
These are some things that can be done, Its the very least that can be done, Lift sanctions and allow others to combat Covid-19.
We can discuss justice and repairing what has been done and the precautions for the future so it doesn’t happen again after we lift the sanctions and stop the killing.
First lift sanctions and allow others to able to fight Covid-19








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Refugee Groups Warn of COVID-19 “Carnage” in Camps Housing Millions of Refugees

https://www.democracynow....MAWhatever the

Fears are growing for millions of refugees living in overcrowded and unsanitary camps around the world, including a million South Sudanese and Congolese refugees in Uganda, tens of thousands of Central Americans in Mexico near the U.S. border, and some 1 million Rohingya Muslims in Bangladesh. Jan Egeland, secretary-general of the Norwegian Refugee Council, warned, “There will also be carnage when the virus reaches parts of Syria, Yemen and Venezuela where hospitals have been demolished and health systems have collapsed.”


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PennyPurple said:

We've got our own problems in the US. We can't take care of the World.


Why aren't you calling out the sanctions that the EU or the UN has on these countries? Why just the US?



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In the other discussion about Covid-19 you mentioned you are a healthcare professional and doctor.
Why is priority over which people receives medical care such an issue for you?
And how does your nationalism affect the health of “non-western” people under sanctions internationally, but also how does your perspective affect those “non westerners” within a western context?

It’s been 15 years since the publication of the Institute of Medicine’s Unequal Treatment report, which synthesized a wide body of research demonstrating that U.S. racial and ethnic minorities are less likely to receive preventive medical treatments than whites and often receive lower-quality care. Most startling, the analysis found that even after taking into account income, neighborhood, comorbid illnesses, and health insurance type — factors typically invoked to explain racial disparities — health outcomes among blacks, in particular, were still worse than whites.
https://www.commonwealthf...onfronting



”most physicians are not explicitly racist and are committed to treating all patients equally. However, they operate in an inherently racist system.”3 In addition, we know that our own subconscious prejudices, also called implicit bias, can affect the way we treat patients.4 Basically, there are so many layers and levels to this issue, it’s hard to wrap our heads around it. But, we’ll try.
https://www.healthaffairs...4515/full/



The health disparities that exist for Black mothers in America are well documented. Black women are three to four times more likely to die from childbirth than their White counterparts. Yet, aside from listing “being Black” as a risk factor for maternal death, little has been done to address this alarming statistic. The inaugural Black Maternal Health Week, held from April 11–17, 2018, sought to change this through offering a forum for continued conversation. Importantly, they shed light on an oft-overlooked but significant distinction: The huge disparities between Black and White maternal mortality are not due to race, but racism.

https://nonprofitquarterl...k-mothers/


The Australian Indigenous Doctors’ Association (AIDA) is committed to addressing the issue of racism towards Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in Australia’s health system. AIDA sees a culturally safe health system that is supported by an equitable number of Indigenous doctors and other health professionals as an essential step towards this end.
https://www.aida.org.au/w...ent_v1.pdf

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Diplomats from the British Foreign Office had urged US officials to allow the ship to dock on American soil but were met with obstacles. Cuban officials instead accepted the request, stating that there must be “a shared effort to confront and stop the spread of the pandemic”. After all, these are still humans suffering, regardless of the passport they hold.

https://www.independent.c...RK0Nvk6Qb-



Cuba leads global efforts against COVID-19 in spite of blockade
Countries from across the globe have asked Cuba for the recombinant human Interferon Alpha 2B, marketed as Heberon® Alfa R, a drug developed in Cuba proven to be an effective against COVID-19

https://peoplesdispatch.o...-blockade/


"The world has an opportunity to understand that health is not a commercial asset but a basic right," Cuban doctor Luis Herrera, the creator of the Interferon Alfa 2-B medication


https://www.telesurenglis...-0015.html






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hausofmoi7 said:

Diplomats from the British Foreign Office had urged US officials to allow the ship to dock on American soil but were met with obstacles. Cuban officials instead accepted the request, stating that there must be “a shared effort to confront and stop the spread of the pandemic”. After all, these are still humans suffering, regardless of the passport they hold. https://www.independent.c...RK0Nvk6Qb- Cuba leads global efforts against COVID-19 in spite of blockade Countries from across the globe have asked Cuba for the recombinant human Interferon Alpha 2B, marketed as Heberon® Alfa R, a drug developed in Cuba proven to be an effective against COVID-19 https://peoplesdispatch.o...-blockade/ "The world has an opportunity to understand that health is not a commercial asset but a basic right," Cuban doctor Luis Herrera, the creator of the Interferon Alfa 2-B medication https://www.telesurenglis...-0015.html . [Edited 3/21/20 2:17am]

Why not just go back where they originated from? Why ask to dock in other Countries?

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PennyPurple said:



hausofmoi7 said:


Diplomats from the British Foreign Office had urged US officials to allow the ship to dock on American soil but were met with obstacles. Cuban officials instead accepted the request, stating that there must be “a shared effort to confront and stop the spread of the pandemic”. After all, these are still humans suffering, regardless of the passport they hold. https://www.independent.c...RK0Nvk6Qb- Cuba leads global efforts against COVID-19 in spite of blockade Countries from across the globe have asked Cuba for the recombinant human Interferon Alpha 2B, marketed as Heberon® Alfa R, a drug developed in Cuba proven to be an effective against COVID-19 https://peoplesdispatch.o...-blockade/ "The world has an opportunity to understand that health is not a commercial asset but a basic right," Cuban doctor Luis Herrera, the creator of the Interferon Alfa 2-B medication https://www.telesurenglis...-0015.html . [Edited 3/21/20 2:17am]

Why not just go back where they originated from? Why ask to dock in other Countries?


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hausofmoi7 said:


Diplomats from the British Foreign Office had urged US officials to allow the ship to dock on American soil but were met with obstacles. Cuban officials instead accepted the request, stating that there must be “a shared effort to confront and stop the spread of the pandemic”. After all, these are still humans suffering, regardless of the passport they hold. https://www.independent.c...RK0Nvk6Qb- Cuba leads global efforts against COVID-19 in spite of blockade Countries from across the globe have asked Cuba for the recombinant human Interferon Alpha 2B, marketed as Heberon® Alfa R, a drug developed in Cuba proven to be an effective against COVID-19 https://peoplesdispatch.o...-blockade/ "The world has an opportunity to understand that health is not a commercial asset but a basic right," Cuban doctor Luis Herrera, the creator of the Interferon Alfa 2-B medication https://www.telesurenglis...-0015.html . [Edited 3/21/20 2:17am]

Why not just go back where they originated from? Why ask to dock in other Countries?



Interesting response to all the information presented to you.

This thread was started because many were annoyed and offended in the other one that non-westerners should be discussed during this time.

The response in western nations is priority is to preserve the class and race divide Domestically and globally.
It’s Pity for “non-westerners” at best, but love for western people.
That how our society was built on and how it is preserved.
The priority is preserving the racist and nationalistic dynamic of our society.
The reaction to Covid-19 is that Priority for health and funding is given on race and class basis and bias.
Australia and u.s were built on stolen land with slave labour.
That stolen land and unpaid slave labour is where the wealth came from for battling Covid-19.
And the distribution of funding to combat Covid-19 is about preserving that stolen wealth by funding to save racist or nationalist and racially bias organisations and businesses that were built on stolen land and unpaid slave labour they inherited.


The modus operandi is Socialism and love for “western” people, and pity for everyone else.
That has been the political reaction to Covid-19.
It’s how our society works for the last few hundred years.
Instead of funding “non western” communities and people within western countries, So that “non western” people can also have the same quality level of healthcare that western people are given in the same country. Instead they will fund grants for middle class and rich people to start charities, because you don’t want to empower those you pity. Or perhaps you are incapable of loving those unlike yourself and only capable of pity at best?

On a global scale countries will be sanctioned until they are ravaged with Covid-19
This is how sanctions work.
“Western” governments freeze assets, deny loans, militarily blow up infrastructure causing diseases and famine.
Once these nations are completely ravaged and people have died and ravaged with diseases.
You will send CNN, Fox News and Richard Branson with a ukulele strumming “we are the world” While handing out medication and food, so you can take over their countries AFTER you intentionally let the situation reach a point where they impoverished due to sanctions and war.
It’s insincerity masking the evil of foreign policy.

Love “non-western” people like you love your own, don’t pity us.
Particularly when that pity is used for masking the evil that intentionally created the situation for your pity and subjugation to thrive.


Without inequality people would have physical agency of their bodies, that also bothers certain people within western society and globally.
That’s another story.
https://www.tandfonline.c...19.1698297
poverty is a key underlying factor contributing to sexual exploitation and abuse by peacekeeping personnel

In 2017 according to the associated press 134 U.N peacekeepers were found to be running a child sex ring in Haiti, luring poverty stricken kids with candy.
https://m.youtube.com/wat...-z_b5_wSYW
There were not only stories of women and girls being sexually assaulted by MINUSTAH but also of men and boys being similarly abused.
https://truthout.org/arti...-in-haiti/
Haiti is only poor because they were required to to take out a loan and go into perpetual debt to pay European nations to stop slavery and compensate European nations for their loss of income that Haitian slaves provided them.
These same “peacekeepers” will likely be deployed to the give out medication and food to battle Covid-19 instead of lifting sanctions or making reparations for slavery and return the loan repayments that these nations were forced to make to stop slavery. They could then combat Covid-19 and any other diseases, and also buy food and candy.


Since you are a healthcare professional doctor I was actually more interested to your response to the question in reply #12.
How does our society’s inherently nationalist and racial perspective/bias is affecting the health and live of non western people in combating Covid-19 within western countries and globally?







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Reply #21 posted 03/23/20 4:40am

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Again, I ask; why didn't they go back to where the cruise originated from? Would their Country not allow them to dock?

hausofmoi7 said:

hausofmoi7 said:

Why not just go back where they originated from? Why ask to dock in other Countries?

Interesting response to all the information presented to you. This thread was started because many were annoyed and offended in the other one that non-westerners should be discussed during this time. The response in western nations is priority is to preserve the class and race divide Domestically and globally. It’s Pity for “non-westerners” at best, but love for western people. That how our society was built on and how it is preserved. The priority is preserving the racist and nationalistic dynamic of our society. The reaction to Covid-19 is that Priority for health and funding is given on race and class basis and bias. Australia and u.s were built on stolen land with slave labour. That stolen land and unpaid slave labour is where the wealth came from for battling Covid-19. And the distribution of funding to combat Covid-19 is about preserving that stolen wealth by funding to save racist or nationalist and racially bias organisations and businesses that were built on stolen land and unpaid slave labour they inherited. It’s Socialism and love for “western” people, but it’s pity for everyone else. That has been the political reaction to Covid-19. It’s how our society works for the last few hundred years. Instead of funding “non western” communities and people within western countries, So that “non western” people can also have the same quality level of healthcare that western people are given in the same country. Instead they will fund grants for middle class and rich people to start charities, because you don’t want to empower those you pity. Or perhaps you are incapable of loving those unlike yourself and only capable of pity at best? On a global scale countries will be sanctioned until they are ravaged with Covid-19. This is how sanctions work. “Western” governments freeze assets, deny loans, militarily blow up infrastructure causing diseases and famine. Once these nations are completely ravaged and people have died and ravaged with diseases. You will send CNN, Fox News and Richard Branson with a ukulele strumming “we are the world” While handing out medication and food, so you can take over their countries AFTER you intentionally let the situation reach a point where they impoverished due to sanctions and war. It’s insincerity masking the evil of foreign policy. Love “non-western” people like you love your own, don’t pity us. Particularly when that pity is used for masking the evil that intentionally created the situation for your pity and subjugation to thrive. Without inequality people would have physical agency of their bodies, that also bothers certain people within western society and globally. That’s another story. https://www.tandfonline.c...19.1698297 poverty is a key underlying factor contributing to sexual exploitation and abuse by peacekeeping personnel In 2017 according to the associated press 134 U.N peacekeepers were found to be running a child sex ring in Haiti, luring poverty stricken kids with candy. https://m.youtube.com/wat...-z_b5_wSYW There were not only stories of women and girls being sexually assaulted by MINUSTAH but also of men and boys being similarly abused. https://truthout.org/arti...-in-haiti/ Haiti is only poor because they were required to to take out a loan and go into perpetual debt to pay European nations to stop slavery and compensate European nations for their loss of income that Haitian slaves provided them. These same “peacekeepers” will likely be deployed to the give out medication and food to battle Covid-19 instead of lifting sanctions or making reparations for slavery and return the IMF loan repayments that these nations were forced to take out to stop slavery. Since you are a healthcare professional doctor I was actually more interested to your response to the question in reply #12. How does our society’s inherently nationalist and racial perspective/bias is affecting the health and live of non western people in combating Covid-19 within western countries and globally? . [Edited 3/23/20 4:29am]

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It was a british ship with people from over Europe.
Where could they go?
Australia will only allow people with an Australian passport to enter.
This is likely the obstacles they faced.
Nationalism.


Now answer my question above and in response #12?






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hausofmoi7 said:

It was a british ship with people from over Europe. Where could they go? Australia will only allow people with an Australian passport to enter. This is likely the obstacles they faced. Nationalism. Now answer my question above and in response #12? . [Edited 3/23/20 4:48am]

Why couldn't they return to where they docked?

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From your own link above:


In a sign of true global solidarity, Cuba today allowed MS Braemer, a British cruise ship, to dock on its shores despite having at least five confirmed coronavirus cases on board and another 52 passengers displaying symptoms. The ship, with over 600 mainly British passengers, had no Cuban nationals on board but had requested help from both Cuba and the US.

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PennyPurple said:



hausofmoi7 said:


It was a british ship with people from over Europe. Where could they go? Australia will only allow people with an Australian passport to enter. This is likely the obstacles they faced. Nationalism. Now answer my question above and in response #12? . [Edited 3/23/20 4:48am]

Why couldn't they return to where they docked?


Answered.
Now, you?
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PennyPurple said:

From your own link above:




In a sign of true global solidarity, Cuba today allowed MS Braemer, a British cruise ship, to dock on its shores despite having at least five confirmed coronavirus cases on board and another 52 passengers displaying symptoms. The ship, with over 600 mainly British passengers, had no Cuban nationals on board but had requested help from both Cuba and the US.



Mainly British.
There were also Italians, French, ect ect.
Britain America and Australia are only allowing those with corresponding passports to enter for treatments or quarantine.

Will you ever answer my question?

Since you are a healthcare professional doctor I was actually more interested to your response to the question in reply #12.
How does our society’s inherently nationalist and racial perspective/bias is affecting the health and live of non western people in combating Covid-19 within western countries and globally?






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hausofmoi7 said:

PennyPurple said:

Why couldn't they return to where they docked?

Answered. Now, you?

No you didn't answer. Why were they not allowed to dock where they originated from?


Is because the British didn't want them back and wanted to push them off on other Countries? Because that's what it is looking like. And if that is the case, why is it the U.S. fault to not want them either? lol


The U.S. is not a cure all for other Countries who won't take their own back.


I don't think the sanctions should be lifted. Do you think that Iran really care about their people? If the sanctions were to be lifted, Iran still wouldn't help their people that are ill.

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hausofmoi7 said:

PennyPurple said:

From your own link above:

Mainly British. There were also Italians, French, ect ect. Britain America and Australia are only allowing those with corresponding passports to enter for treatments or quarantine. Will you ever answer my question? .

OK? So why is it they think they should be able to dock in other countries?

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PennyPurple said:



hausofmoi7 said:


PennyPurple said:


Why couldn't they return to where they docked?



Answered. Now, you?

No you didn't answer. Why were they not allowed to dock where they originated from?



Is because the British didn't want them back and wanted to push them off on other Countries? Because that's what it is looking like. And if that is the case, why is it the U.S. fault to not want them either? lol



The U.S. is not a cure all for other Countries who won't take their own back.



I don't think the sanctions should be lifted. Do you think that Iran really care about their people? If the sanctions were to be lifted, Iran still wouldn't help their people that are ill.



Your excuse for supporting the killing of Iranians is because you think someone else was probably going to do it first anyway? Based on some hypothetical situation you made up?
Tell that to The Hague.
Now we are getting somewhere, let it all out.


Since you are a healthcare professional doctor I was actually more interested to your response to the question in reply #12.
How does our society’s inherently nationalist and racial perspective/bias is affecting the health and live of non western people in combating Covid-19 within western countries and globally?

The U.S and Australia are not under sanctions and still have worse health outcomes than those under sanctions.
The disparity in health outcomes is due to class and access to certain treatments. but overwhelmingly the disparity in health outcomes is race based. And if you are at the intersection of race and class your outcomes will be worse, and for black people, and particularly black peoples who are the intersection of race, class and colorism.
The outcomes are catastrophic.
As the studies above revealed the disparity in health outcomes were not due to race, but racism and bias.

Answer the question now?



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