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Democratic Debate - Joe Biden & Bernie Sanders



https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/democratic-debate-joe-biden-bernie-sanders-live-news-tonight-2020-03-15/

Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders will face off in the 11th Democratic debate on Sunday night after a week capped with increasing concerns over the coronavirus pandemic across the country. CNN announced last week the debate would no longer have an audience and would be moved from Phoenix to Washington, D.C.

Earlier this week, both Biden and Sanders faulted the Trump administration for lack of response on testing for coronavirus.

Sunday's debate is the first time Biden and Sanders will go head-to-head on the debate stage. The last debate, held on February 25, featured Elizabeth Warren, Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar, Mike Bloomberg and Tom Steyer — all of whom have since dropped out of the race.


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Must see TV - especially if you have Covid-19 fatigue.



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Reply #1 posted 03/15/20 5:21pm

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I think they are each doing well.

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Reply #2 posted 03/15/20 6:09pm

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PennyPurple said:

I think they are each doing well.


I agree Penny. It's nice to see people debate like adults on the issues we face. Instead of all the negative call outs and self-centered braggadocio that's been our daily fare for the last 3+ years.

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Reply #3 posted 03/15/20 6:10pm

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Wow. Biden just said that his running mate will be a woman!

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Reply #4 posted 03/15/20 6:13pm

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PennyPurple said:

Wow. Biden just said that his running mate will be a woman!

He did, didn't he! headbang

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Reply #5 posted 03/15/20 6:19pm

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Has everyone else dropped out of the primary race now?

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What happens to the delegate votes already allocated to others? Do the follow the person who dropped out's recommendation, a backcount on the results or does the delegate decide?

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Reply #6 posted 03/15/20 6:38pm

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Bernie is a sharp old man. But Biden is holding his own.
For me this debate is wonderful. Finally hearing them out with plenty of space to really hear them talk.

Yes they look like the old men muppets from the Muppet Show, but I am enjoying hearing them out.

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I think Biden has won me over as the best choice. He appeased my fears about his cognitive abilities and his pragmatism. Democrats can swallow some of what Bernie is proposing, but there is no way there will be enough votes in House or Senate will go for his proposals any time soon.

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As of right now I stand with Biden.

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Reply #7 posted 03/15/20 6:40pm

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IanRG said:

Has everyone else dropped out of the primary race now?

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What happens to the delegate votes already allocated to others? Do the follow the person who dropped out's recommendation, a backcount on the results or does the delegate decide?

I think Gabbard is still in (with @1%), but she didn't make the threshold to be in the debate.

Voters can follow the support of the delegate who dropped out, but they don't have to. Also, early voting is a wrinkle. If you vote early and your candidate has dropped out, it doesn't count as anything.

Our most important office in the land is not decided by the actual vote count. All other elections are one person, one vote. Our system truly sucks.

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Reply #8 posted 03/15/20 6:44pm

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v10letblues said:

Bernie is a sharp old man. But Biden is holding his own.
For me this debate is wonderful. Finally hearing them out with plenty of space to really hear them talk.

Yes they look like the old men muppets from the Muppet Show, but I am enjoying hearing them out.

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I think Biden has won me over as the best choice. He appeased my fears about his cognitive abilities and his pragmatism. Democrats can swallow some of what Bernie is proposing, but there is no way there will be enough votes in House or Senate will go for his proposals any time soon.

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As of right now I stand with Biden.


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Reply #9 posted 03/15/20 7:01pm

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I hope that in case Biden wins the nomination, that he saves a spot for Bernie is his administration and Bernie uses his sway to drum up support for Biden with his loyal following.

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But as this debate closes, I think Biden won, and also won me over.

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Reply #10 posted 03/15/20 7:04pm

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I just noticed at the end how far apart they were, lol. Good times!

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Reply #11 posted 03/15/20 7:09pm

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Lets face it, if Amazon, Walmart and the 1% actually had to pay taxes, we would have money for Universal Healthcare and a ton of other stuff we need. The American Dream has been totally hijacked. Bernie is 100% right about ALL of that. Amazon pays NO taxes - it's obscene.

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Reply #12 posted 03/15/20 7:13pm

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As I'm listening to the talking heads, one of the commentators on CNN suggested that Bernie knew he did not have the math, but instead was just giving Biden cues to help unite the party. Airing his views about things important to his base and hoping Biden would take the cues.

I could see that. They were cordial and Bernie was holding his punches I thought.

For the good of the party and the Presidency I hope the two can come together.

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v10letblues said:

As I'm listening to the talking heads, one of the commentators on CNN suggested that Bernie knew he did not have the math, but instead was just giving Biden cues to help unite the party. Airing his views about things important to his base and hoping Biden would take the cues.

I could see that. They were cordial and Bernie was holding his punches I thought.

For the good of the party and the Presidency I hope the two can come together.

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The goal is getting rid of Trump- the worst President in modern American history- by any means possible. And we must punish his enablers as well.

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Reply #14 posted 03/15/20 9:35pm

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jjhunsecker said:

v10letblues said:

As I'm listening to the talking heads, one of the commentators on CNN suggested that Bernie knew he did not have the math, but instead was just giving Biden cues to help unite the party. Airing his views about things important to his base and hoping Biden would take the cues.

I could see that. They were cordial and Bernie was holding his punches I thought.

For the good of the party and the Presidency I hope the two can come together.

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The goal is getting rid of Trump- the worst President in modern American history- by any means possible. And we must punish his enablers as well.

Yep. Bernie said that exact thing multiple times tonight.

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Reply #15 posted 03/15/20 11:30pm

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poppys said:

Lets face it, if Amazon, Walmart and the 1% actually had to pay taxes, we would have money for Universal Healthcare and a ton of other stuff we need. The American Dream has been totally hijacked. Bernie is 100% right about ALL of that. Amazon pays NO taxes - it's obscene.

Off-topic, but over here Richard Branson has asked for a £7.5bn bailout for his airline (due to coronavirus). This from the man who has avoided paying millions of £££'s tax for decades, and who already had a muti-million pound bailout for his rail line. I swear there will be trouble if he gets it.

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Reply #16 posted 03/16/20 1:49am

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I think a Bernie and Joe Biden ticket could cause people to seek alternative and may even spark a social revolution and real systemic change.
Many who support Bernie are already compromising on some issues domestically and foreign policy.
Joe Biden is going too far.


Someone on social said, I can’t find who.
But they said to the Democratic Party.
“Your goal is only to get rid of trump, our goal is to dismantle white supremacy”
Only in a racist and bigoted world would such a perspective be radical or divisive.


Bernie hasn’t said he has sold out to Biden.
So let’s see.




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Reply #17 posted 03/16/20 2:24am

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PennyPurple said:

Wow. Biden just said that his running mate will be a woman!


Dr Jill Stein was also a woman.
She just didn’t have corporate donors or elitist support like Hillary Clinton though.

Corporatists and elitists even tried gaslighting Jill Stein supporters by claiming they were sexists if choose Jill over Hillary.
Because Jill didn’t have enough corporate or elitist support that meant she was not a woman apparently.





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Reply #18 posted 03/16/20 2:55am

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v10letblues said:

jjhunsecker said:

The goal is getting rid of Trump- the worst President in modern American history- by any means possible. And we must punish his enablers as well.

Yep. Bernie said that exact thing multiple times tonight.


Really? Bernie said "enablers must be punished"? eek

Can you please provide a link, because I didn't hear him say such a thing even once. And he doesn't seem like a man filled with such hate and anger and perceived vengeance that he'd say such a thing.

Who would the "enablers" be anyway? Those who voted for Trump or support him?

If so, that sounds like nothing more than sore losers who have their panties in a bunch because their candidate lost a presidential election, and they lost the Senate, and they look like damn fools for believing Trump would be impeached within weeks.







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Reply #19 posted 03/16/20 3:31am

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jjhunsecker said:

v10letblues said:

As I'm listening to the talking heads, one of the commentators on CNN suggested that Bernie knew he did not have the math, but instead was just giving Biden cues to help unite the party. Airing his views about things important to his base and hoping Biden would take the cues.

I could see that. They were cordial and Bernie was holding his punches I thought.

For the good of the party and the Presidency I hope the two can come together.

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The goal is getting rid of Trump- the worst President in modern American history- by any means possible. And we must punish his enablers as well.


Yes, the Republicans in the Senate and House that went along with, helped, or looked the other way while he destroyed and dismantled our system of government have to be called out and especially voted out.

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Reply #20 posted 03/16/20 6:07am

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poppys said:

IanRG said:

Has everyone else dropped out of the primary race now?

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What happens to the delegate votes already allocated to others? Do the follow the person who dropped out's recommendation, a backcount on the results or does the delegate decide?

I think Gabbard is still in (with @1%), but she didn't make the threshold to be in the debate.

Voters can follow the support of the delegate who dropped out, but they don't have to. Also, early voting is a wrinkle. If you vote early and your candidate has dropped out, it doesn't count as anything.

Our most important office in the land is not decided by the actual vote count. All other elections are one person, one vote. Our system truly sucks.


Gabbard was complaining that it was the DNC and the media trying to keep her out of the debate. They did make a rule change that instead of just one delegate in the first few primaries, they had to have at least 20 delegates, but Gabbard was claiming that change was made to keep a woman, especially a woman of color, off the debate stage. Honestly, I think that's not why the rule change was made, but it had more to do with the viability of the candidate. At this point, Gabbard really is not a viable candidate and the DNC knows that.

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Reply #21 posted 03/16/20 6:09am

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v10letblues said:

Bernie is a sharp old man. But Biden is holding his own.
For me this debate is wonderful. Finally hearing them out with plenty of space to really hear them talk.


Yes they look like the old men muppets from the Muppet Show, but I am enjoying hearing them out.


.


I think Biden has won me over as the best choice. He appeased my fears about his cognitive abilities and his pragmatism. Democrats can swallow some of what Bernie is proposing, but there is no way there will be enough votes in House or Senate will go for his proposals any time soon.


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As of right now I stand with Biden.


He held up better than Bernie and acted more presidential, less temperamental.
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Reply #22 posted 03/16/20 6:11am

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poppys said:

I just noticed at the end how far apart they were, lol. Good times!


I noticed how Biden stayed and talked to the moderators, while Bernie just waved and walked away. For some reason it just seems like Bernie is still holding some kind of bitterness. At the end of the day, they kept some respect towards one another even while pointing out their disagreements. One thing they agreed with is getting that orange mess out of the White House.

Who do you think Biden will pick as his nominee if indeed a woman? I think it may be Warren or Harris.
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2elijah said:

poppys said:

I just noticed at the end how far apart they were, lol. Good times!

I noticed how Biden stayed and talked to the moderators, while Bernie just waved and walked away. For some reason it just seems like Bernie is still holding some kind of bitterness. At the end of the day, they kept some respect towards one another even while pointing out their disagreements. One thing they agreed with is getting that orange mess out of the White House. Who do you think Biden will pick as his nominee if indeed a woman? I think it may be Warren or Harris. [Edited 3/16/20 6:16am]


I think Warren or Harris. I'm leaning toward it being Harris, because she's younger and will be able to pull in the younger demographics. But I really like Warren, because she has spelled out every one of her policies, how to pay for them, and the steps to implementing them. Her policies are more polished.

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benni said:



2elijah said:


poppys said:

I just noticed at the end how far apart they were, lol. Good times!



I noticed how Biden stayed and talked to the moderators, while Bernie just waved and walked away. For some reason it just seems like Bernie is still holding some kind of bitterness. At the end of the day, they kept some respect towards one another even while pointing out their disagreements. One thing they agreed with is getting that orange mess out of the White House. Who do you think Biden will pick as his nominee if indeed a woman? I think it may be Warren or Harris. [Edited 3/16/20 6:16am]


I think Warren or Harris. I'm leaning toward it being Harris, because she's younger and will be able to pull in the younger demographics. But I really like Warren, because she has spelled out every one of her policies, how to pay for them, and the steps to implementing them. Her policies are more polished.


I think both are strong, no-nonsense candidates. On another note, Biden really showed some strength and his experience yesterday during the debate.
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2elijah said:

benni said:


I think Warren or Harris. I'm leaning toward it being Harris, because she's younger and will be able to pull in the younger demographics. But I really like Warren, because she has spelled out every one of her policies, how to pay for them, and the steps to implementing them. Her policies are more polished.

I think both are strong, no-nonsense candidates. On another note, Biden really showed some strength and his experience yesterday during the debate.


Yes, he did. He showed that side of him that Obama saw, appreciated, and made him VP because of it.

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jjhunsecker said:

v10letblues said:

As I'm listening to the talking heads, one of the commentators on CNN suggested that Bernie knew he did not have the math, but instead was just giving Biden cues to help unite the party. Airing his views about things important to his base and hoping Biden would take the cues.

I could see that. They were cordial and Bernie was holding his punches I thought.

For the good of the party and the Presidency I hope the two can come together.

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The goal is getting rid of Trump- the worst President in modern American history- by any means possible. And we must punish his enablers as well.

Bush 2 was considerably worse tbh, although perhaps that's only for those of us outside the US.

Bernie couldn't get out enough of the vote and is 99% gonna lose to Biden unfortunately, unless something big happens tomorrow (which you never know, in this climate).

Whatever though, he's started something that won't be stopped, and the 50 years of being on the wrong side of absolutely everything saved personally by Obama-nominee better offer the youth something in return for their vote if he wants to beat Trump.

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2elijah said:

poppys said:

I just noticed at the end how far apart they were, lol. Good times!


I noticed how Biden stayed and talked to the moderators, while Bernie just waved and walked away. For some reason it just seems like Bernie is still holding some kind of bitterness. At the end of the day, they kept some respect towards one another even while pointing out their disagreements. One thing they agreed with is getting that orange mess out of the White House. Who do you think Biden will pick as his nominee if indeed a woman? I think it may be Warren or Harris.


Bernie is a curmudgeon, we know that. He was also interviewed by Anderson Cooper on CNN immediately following the debate so maybe he had to go.

Oh Biden better go with a woman now that he said so. Warren and Harris are both good choices.

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I just wanted to mention how respectful Bernie was towards Biden throughout the whole thing. Biden too, but Bernie was class.

This was no time too give Trump fodder and Bernie obviously felt he may likely lose the nom and didn't want to hurt Biden in any way.

Whether I'm seeing things that aren't there, ..possible. But still give them both props.

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Props to Biden who gave his Gaffey McGaffe alter the day off. He was also playing deep cuts of facts to show off his cognitive abilities. Perhaps he was shot up with a "finals week" dose of modafinil and vitamin b, but it's all good.

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Very Presidential.

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v10letblues said:

I just wanted to mention how respectful Bernie was towards Biden throughout the whole thing. Biden too, but Bernie was class.


This was no time too give Trump fodder and Bernie obviously felt he may likely lose the nom and didn't want to hurt Biden in any way.


Whether I'm seeing things that aren't there, ..possible. But still give them both props.


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Props to Biden who gave his Gaffey McGaffe alter the day off. He was also playing deep cuts of facts to show off his cognitive abilities. Perhaps he was shot up with a "finals week" dose of modafinil and vitamin b, but it's all good.


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Very Presidential.


Well Bernie knows he’s not going to win the nom, but at least they both have the same mission.. to unseat trump.
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