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Russia is meddling in 2020 campaign to help Trump


https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/20/21146191/russia-election-meddling-2020-hack-trump-intelligence

Russia is meddling in 2020 campaign to help Trump, intelligence officials say

President Trump abruptly replaced his acting Director of National Intelligence after the briefing


Russia is already interfering in the 2020 campaign to help President Donald Trump toward reelection, according to a briefing given to the bipartisan House Intelligence Committee last week. The briefing, as reported in paired articles from The Washington Post and The New York Times, suggests many of the same tactics used in 2016 could be employed in the months to come, including troll campaigns and targeted hacking attempts.

The day after the briefing was given, President Trump abruptly replaced his acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire, in what the Post describes as a direct response to the briefing. The Post is less clear on the contents of the briefing, but the Times reports from five different sources that the briefing primarily concerned active Russian threats to election security...



Trumpy went apoplectic after they briefed him. Looked like he was gonna stroke out.

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poppys said:


https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/20/21146191/russia-election-meddling-2020-hack-trump-intelligence

Russia is meddling in 2020 campaign to help Trump, intelligence officials say

President Trump abruptly replaced his acting Director of National Intelligence after the briefing


Russia is already interfering in the 2020 campaign to help President Donald Trump toward reelection, according to a briefing given to the bipartisan House Intelligence Committee last week. The briefing, as reported in paired articles from The Washington Post and The New York Times, suggests many of the same tactics used in 2016 could be employed in the months to come, including troll campaigns and targeted hacking attempts.

The day after the briefing was given, President Trump abruptly replaced his acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire, in what the Post describes as a direct response to the briefing. The Post is less clear on the contents of the briefing, but the Times reports from five different sources that the briefing primarily concerned active Russian threats to election security...



Trumpy went apoplectic after they briefed him. Looked like he was gonna stroke out.

Yep. Russia Russia Russia.... again.

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poppys said:


https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/20/21146191/russia-election-meddling-2020-hack-trump-intelligence



Russia is meddling in 2020 campaign to help Trump, intelligence officials say





President Trump abruptly replaced his acting Director of National Intelligence after the briefing



Russia is already interfering in the 2020 campaign to help President Donald Trump toward reelection, according to a briefing given to the bipartisan House Intelligence Committee last week. The briefing, as reported in paired articles from The Washington Post and The New York Times, suggests many of the same tactics used in 2016 could be employed in the months to come, including troll campaigns and targeted hacking attempts.



The day after the briefing was given, President Trump abruptly replaced his acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire, in what the Post describes as a direct response to the briefing. The Post is less clear on the contents of the briefing, but the Times reports from five different sources that the briefing primarily concerned active Russian threats to election security...




Trumpy went apoplectic after they briefed him. Looked like he was gonna stroke out.



It’s “The Perfect Storm”. There is no relief. Even for someone not a narcissist, it requires internal fortitude to accept the implications of vlad’s choosing you over your opponent. For T——, it is impossible to accept this news. Mental gymnastics are required, so although completely illogical, it becomes his own intel that is suspect. “Off with their heads,” so to speak. So, we watch career civil servants frogmarched out the door, and replaced by spineless, unqualified psychophants, incapable or unwilling to tell T—— anything he doesn’t want to hear.

Have you seen a comparison of the first 4 DNI’s experience contrasted with that of Grenell’s? Laughable. He is said to be ‘acting’ and that another DNI will be named.
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Russiagate is pure nonsense.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Thank God our government is protecting our elections,,,, oh, wait - they're not.

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2freaky4church1 said:

Russiagate is pure nonsense.

Do you mean that Russia is not meddling in elections? Or, there was no collusion involving Russia and the T---- campaign of 2016?

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barnswallow said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Russiagate is pure nonsense.

Do you mean that Russia is not meddling in elections? Or, there was no collusion involving Russia and the T---- campaign of 2016?


I think he is being sarcastic...


Of course Russia is meddling.

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oh smile

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how funny... they must be for trump... not the people who agree not with with marxist

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Reply #9 posted 02/22/20 1:23pm

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poppys said:


https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/20/21146191/russia-election-meddling-2020-hack-trump-intelligence

Russia is meddling in 2020 campaign to help Trump, intelligence officials say

President Trump abruptly replaced his acting Director of National Intelligence after the briefing


Russia is already interfering in the 2020 campaign to help President Donald Trump toward reelection, according to a briefing given to the bipartisan House Intelligence Committee last week. The briefing, as reported in paired articles from The Washington Post and The New York Times, suggests many of the same tactics used in 2016 could be employed in the months to come, including troll campaigns and targeted hacking attempts.

The day after the briefing was given, President Trump abruptly replaced his acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire, in what the Post describes as a direct response to the briefing. The Post is less clear on the contents of the briefing, but the Times reports from five different sources that the briefing primarily concerned active Russian threats to election security...


Trumpy went apoplectic after they briefed him. Looked like he was gonna stroke out.



It’s “The Perfect Storm”. There is no relief. Even for someone not a narcissist, it requires internal fortitude to accept the implications of vlad’s choosing you over your opponent. For T——, it is impossible to accept this news. Mental gymnastics are required, so although completely illogical, it becomes his own intel that is suspect. “Off with their heads,” so to speak. So, we watch career civil servants frogmarched out the door, and replaced by spineless, unqualified psychophants, incapable or unwilling to tell T—— anything he doesn’t want to hear. Have you seen a comparison of the first 4 DNI’s experience contrasted with that of Grenell’s? Laughable. He is said to be ‘acting’ and that another DNI will be named.



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Ok, but anyone who opposes war and u.s foreign policy is a Russian though?
And Bernie Sanders might be Russia’s preferred u.s president.


I’m surprised that there is anyone who doesn’t already assume that heads of states could be bought, or finds this shocking.

In regards to how Russia can influence u.s citizens to vote for their preferred u.s president. Bernie Sanders supporters would like to know.





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Ok, but anyone who opposes war and u.s foreign policy is a Russian though?

And Bernie Sanders might be Russia’s preferred u.s president. I’m surprised that there is anyone who doesn’t already assume that heads of states could be bought, or finds this shocking. In regards to how Russia can influence u.s citizens to vote for their preferred u.s president. Bernie Sanders supporters would like to know.


No. That is a complete non sequitur. Who/what are you replying to anyway haus?

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poppys said:

hausofmoi7 said:

Ok, but anyone who opposes war and u.s foreign policy is a Russian though?

And Bernie Sanders might be Russia’s preferred u.s president. I’m surprised that there is anyone who doesn’t already assume that heads of states could be bought, or finds this shocking. In regards to how Russia can influence u.s citizens to vote for their preferred u.s president. Bernie Sanders supporters would like to know.


No. That is a complete non sequitur. Who/what are you replying to anyway haus?

Is it though?

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Not because of some silly milano on the org.

PennyPurple thought it was racial slur and said:
Ban! Ban! Ban! Ban! Ban! lol
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Reply #13 posted 02/23/20 9:19am

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Russia could be meddling in U.S. elections, or doing so again, but so what? Internet espionage has been a thing for a really long time now, we also do that shizz, and our "democratic system" doesn't even have its voting rights protections nailed down yet!
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We're supposed to be fearful of "Russian interference," lol ?
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Divide and conquer is working splendidly for the Trump administration.

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poppys said:

Divide and conquer is working splendidly for the Trump administration.



What exactly is it about Russia that Americans or westerners fear?
I know of the hysteria around Islam and Muslim on the right.
But what is it about Russia that mainstream leftists irrationally fear?


Apparently Russia likes Bernie and not Biden, as do most people.



They like Bernie': Biden says Russia working to prevent him from getting nomination


https://www.msn.com/en-au...ailsignout


Former Vice President Joe Biden said Sunday that Russians have worked to block him from winning the Democratic nomination while favoring Sen. Bernie Sanders, though he admitted his claims were not based on anything he had been told by intelligence officials.

"The Russians don't want me to be the nominee," Biden said on CBS News' "Face the Nation," later adding, "they like Bernie.



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Reply #16 posted 02/23/20 7:23pm

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Russia likes Bernie because they don't think he can beat Trump. Trump signaled on camera this week that he wants to run against Bernie. You are pretending it's just Russia. Traditionally, US politics hates anyone trying to mess with the system (except them), but all bets are off now.

When Trump first got elected, he wanted to meet Putin first, before any US dignitaries. PR nightmare for his handlers. Russia's been funding the Trumps for years, no one else would lend them money after all the bankruptcies.

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I think perhaps maybe it’s only white people who fear Russia?
Maybe it’s racial and generational.
Apart from the Cold War I have no idea why Russia has suddenly joined the ranks of Islam in the west to become one of their bogeymen.


For minority and oppressed groups, We have real problems.



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Maybe because Russia is meddling in our elections. You just don't have the experience of what people think here. A lot of blanket statements.

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Reply #19 posted 02/23/20 7:45pm

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poppys said:

Maybe because Russia is meddling in our elections. You just don't have the experience of what people think here. A lot of blanket statements.




Wow, “maybe”.
So you admit it’s a conspiracy theory.
Anything is technically possible.

Perhaps you and Biden should emphasise that you are making this up based on bias and prejudice you have about Russia and not based on facts.






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Russia likes Bernie because they don't think he can beat Trump. Trump signaled on camera this week that he wants to run against Bernie. You are pretending it's just Russia. Traditionally, US politics hates anyone trying to mess with the system (except them), but all bets are off now.

When Trump first got elected, he wanted to meet Putin first, before any US dignitaries. PR nightmare for his handlers. Russia' been funding the Trumps for years, no one else would lend them money after all plthe bankruptcies.



Or perhaps that inspite of the criticisms about Russia that their outlook on foreign policy and international relations is more progressive than the u.s.

Perhaps Russia favours the least trigger happy and bellicose candidate in each election.
In 20/20 Bernie is that candidate out of the bunch.




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Reply #21 posted 02/24/20 4:16am

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Admit what Russia is doing is a conspiracy theory - no.

I've said like 1000 times, I will vote for Bernie if he gets the nom, nothing to do with Russia.

Mistake to engage anyway. Nevermind haus.

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poppys said:

Admit what Russia is doing is a conspiracy theory - no.

I've said like 1000 times, I will vote for Bernie if he gets the nom, nothing to do with Russia.

Mistake to engage anyway. Nevermind haus.



A vote for Sanders is a vote for Putin.
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poppys said:

Russia likes Bernie because they don't think he can beat Trump. Trump signaled on camera this week that he wants to run against Bernie. You are pretending it's just Russia. Traditionally, US politics hates anyone trying to mess with the system (except them), but all bets are off now.

When Trump first got elected, he wanted to meet Putin first, before any US dignitaries. PR nightmare for his handlers. Russia's been funding the Trumps for years, no one else would lend them money after all the bankruptcies.


Poppys, I disagree with that. Russia liked Bernie, even before Trump was elected in 2016. It's in the Mueller Report, page 23 of the 1st section. Russia told the IRA to post negative things about all candidates, except for Trump and Sanders, because they liked them. It was not because they believed Bernie couldn't beat Trump, but because they see these two as being the most divisive candidates, and this helps Russia. If America is divided, if America has continuous chaos and conflict on the home front because of these candidates (as president), then America is not focused on what Russia is doing. Russia wants to regain world power and the only way they can do that is if America is divided and their attention is focused elsewhere. And it's because both Sanders and Trump want to keep focus on domestic issues, not international issues. They both tend more towards nationalism, then they do world affairs.

Trump, we already know is divisive. Democrats hate Trump and they hate his policies. It creates a lot of chaos and controversy here in the US. But Republicans will hate Sanders just as much, and they will cry foul over his policies, just as much as Democrats do Trump's. They will fight Sanders just as hard as Democrats fight Trump. They will never accept him as president, or accept his policies. Russia knows this. Therefore, either one of them will work to Russia's advantage.

Russia's ultimate goal is to bring about the downfall of the United States. If they can manage to do that, then Russia may stand a chance at becoming a world leader again. You noticed how they jumped in when we pulled out of Syria. Russia began running patrols to separate warring factions, striking deals and helping President Bashar al-Assad advance. This increases their value in the region, while Trump decreased American value in that region.

Russia would be happy with either man as president, because either one advances the Russian agenda.

Trump: "It was hard to get it aroused and it is hard to get it aroused but we got it aroused."
[narrator voice] He's talking about the "American way."
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hausofmoi7 said:

poppys said:

Divide and conquer is working splendidly for the Trump administration.

What exactly is it about Russia that Americans or westerners fear? I know of the hysteria around Islam and Muslim on the right. But what is it about Russia that mainstream leftists irrationally fear? Apparently Russia likes Bernie and not Biden, as do most people. They like Bernie': Biden says Russia working to prevent him from getting nomination https://www.msn.com/en-au...ailsignout Former Vice President Joe Biden said Sunday that Russians have worked to block him from winning the Democratic nomination while favoring Sen. Bernie Sanders, though he admitted his claims were not based on anything he had been told by intelligence officials. "The Russians don't want me to be the nominee," Biden said on CBS News' "Face the Nation," later adding, "they like Bernie. . [Edited 2/23/20 20:29pm]


Putin is former KGB. That isn't something he has let go of. Putin's ultimate goal is the destruction of America, who believes America brought about the USSR's downfall. He would love to see America destroyed from within. https://www.politico.eu/a...ed-states/

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poppys said:

Russia likes Bernie because they don't think he can beat Trump. Trump signaled on camera this week that he wants to run against Bernie. You are pretending it's just Russia. Traditionally, US politics hates anyone trying to mess with the system (except them), but all bets are off now.

When Trump first got elected, he wanted to meet Putin first, before any US dignitaries. PR nightmare for his handlers. Russia's been funding the Trumps for years, no one else would lend them money after all the bankruptcies.


Poppys, I disagree with that. Russia liked Bernie, even before Trump was elected in 2016. It's in the Mueller Report, page 23 of the 1st section. Russia told the IRA to post negative things about all candidates, except for Trump and Sanders, because they liked them. It was not because they believed Bernie couldn't beat Trump, but because they see these two as being the most divisive candidates, and this helps Russia. If America is divided, if America has continuous chaos and conflict on the home front because of these candidates (as president), then America is not focused on what Russia is doing. Russia wants to regain world power and the only way they can do that is if America is divided and their attention is focused elsewhere. And it's because both Sanders and Trump want to keep focus on domestic issues, not international issues. They both tend more towards nationalism, then they do world affairs.

Trump, we already know is divisive. Democrats hate Trump and they hate his policies. It creates a lot of chaos and controversy here in the US. But Republicans will hate Sanders just as much, and they will cry foul over his policies, just as much as Democrats do Trump's. They will fight Sanders just as hard as Democrats fight Trump. They will never accept him as president, or accept his policies. Russia knows this. Therefore, either one of them will work to Russia's advantage.

Russia's ultimate goal is to bring about the downfall of the United States. If they can manage to do that, then Russia may stand a chance at becoming a world leader again. You noticed how they jumped in when we pulled out of Syria. Russia began running patrols to separate warring factions, striking deals and helping President Bashar al-Assad advance. This increases their value in the region, while Trump decreased American value in that region.

Russia would be happy with either man as president, because either one advances the Russian agenda.


That's fine, it doesn't change what is happening now. The OP article was about Russia coming out in favor of Bernie this past week.

Russia also uses the scattershot approach at "supporting" lots of diverse fringe groups too - just for the sake of disruption. Other countries do too, like China.

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poppys said:

benni said:


Poppys, I disagree with that. Russia liked Bernie, even before Trump was elected in 2016. It's in the Mueller Report, page 23 of the 1st section. Russia told the IRA to post negative things about all candidates, except for Trump and Sanders, because they liked them. It was not because they believed Bernie couldn't beat Trump, but because they see these two as being the most divisive candidates, and this helps Russia. If America is divided, if America has continuous chaos and conflict on the home front because of these candidates (as president), then America is not focused on what Russia is doing. Russia wants to regain world power and the only way they can do that is if America is divided and their attention is focused elsewhere. And it's because both Sanders and Trump want to keep focus on domestic issues, not international issues. They both tend more towards nationalism, then they do world affairs.

Trump, we already know is divisive. Democrats hate Trump and they hate his policies. It creates a lot of chaos and controversy here in the US. But Republicans will hate Sanders just as much, and they will cry foul over his policies, just as much as Democrats do Trump's. They will fight Sanders just as hard as Democrats fight Trump. They will never accept him as president, or accept his policies. Russia knows this. Therefore, either one of them will work to Russia's advantage.

Russia's ultimate goal is to bring about the downfall of the United States. If they can manage to do that, then Russia may stand a chance at becoming a world leader again. You noticed how they jumped in when we pulled out of Syria. Russia began running patrols to separate warring factions, striking deals and helping President Bashar al-Assad advance. This increases their value in the region, while Trump decreased American value in that region.

Russia would be happy with either man as president, because either one advances the Russian agenda.


That's fine, it doesn't change what is happening now. The OP article was about Russia coming out in favor of Bernie this past week.

Russia also uses the scattershot approach at "supporting" lots of diverse fringe groups too - just for the sake of disruption. Other countries do too, like China.

[Edited 2/24/20 7:18am]


Russia liked Bernie in 2016 because they did not want Hilary.

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DiminutiveRocker said:

benni said:

Russia liked Bernie, even before Trump was elected in 2016.

poppys said:

That's fine, it doesn't change what is happening now. The OP article was about Russia coming out in favor of Bernie this past week.

Russia also uses the scattershot approach at "supporting" lots of diverse fringe groups too - just for the sake of disruption. Other countries do too, like China.


Russia liked Bernie in 2016 because they did not want Hilary.


nod full circle.

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poppys said:



benni said:




poppys said:


Russia likes Bernie because they don't think he can beat Trump. Trump signaled on camera this week that he wants to run against Bernie. You are pretending it's just Russia. Traditionally, US politics hates anyone trying to mess with the system (except them), but all bets are off now.

When Trump first got elected, he wanted to meet Putin first, before any US dignitaries. PR nightmare for his handlers. Russia's been funding the Trumps for years, no one else would lend them money after all the bankruptcies.




Poppys, I disagree with that. Russia liked Bernie, even before Trump was elected in 2016. It's in the Mueller Report, page 23 of the 1st section. Russia told the IRA to post negative things about all candidates, except for Trump and Sanders, because they liked them. It was not because they believed Bernie couldn't beat Trump, but because they see these two as being the most divisive candidates, and this helps Russia. If America is divided, if America has continuous chaos and conflict on the home front because of these candidates (as president), then America is not focused on what Russia is doing. Russia wants to regain world power and the only way they can do that is if America is divided and their attention is focused elsewhere. And it's because both Sanders and Trump want to keep focus on domestic issues, not international issues. They both tend more towards nationalism, then they do world affairs.

Trump, we already know is divisive. Democrats hate Trump and they hate his policies. It creates a lot of chaos and controversy here in the US. But Republicans will hate Sanders just as much, and they will cry foul over his policies, just as much as Democrats do Trump's. They will fight Sanders just as hard as Democrats fight Trump. They will never accept him as president, or accept his policies. Russia knows this. Therefore, either one of them will work to Russia's advantage.

Russia's ultimate goal is to bring about the downfall of the United States. If they can manage to do that, then Russia may stand a chance at becoming a world leader again. You noticed how they jumped in when we pulled out of Syria. Russia began running patrols to separate warring factions, striking deals and helping President Bashar al-Assad advance. This increases their value in the region, while Trump decreased American value in that region.

Russia would be happy with either man as president, because either one advances the Russian agenda.




That's fine, it doesn't change what is happening now. The OP article was about Russia coming out in favor of Bernie this past week.

Russia also uses the scattershot approach at "supporting" lots of diverse fringe groups too - just for the sake of disruption. Other countries do too, like China.

[Edited 2/24/20 7:18am]


What’s a fringe group?
Indigenous groups? African diaspora groups? Perhaps anti-war groups?
Anyone who supports any of these groups are “fringe” or Russian.
Anyone who refuses to neglect these issues politically are “fringe”, “far left or Russian agents.
What does that say about our society when equality, peace and justice are considered divisive issues?

You sound like Biden.
Sorry Poppy, but we all getting on the bus.
Make room.
Those on the fringes are coming.




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hausofmoi7 said:

poppys said:

Divide and conquer is working splendidly for the Trump administration.

What exactly is it about Russia that Americans or westerners fear?


Part of it is a hangover from the Cold War, but Russia & China are unlike most other countries in the world, in that they do a lot of the same things the US does to get ahead and they aren't afraid of crossing us to do it. Most other countries, Europe, they may not like what the US does, but they know they don't have much choice but to go along with it in the long run. China and Russia are two of the only countries on EArth that could legit pose a threat to US hedgemony.

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