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There was an attack on Jewish New Yorkers almost every day last week.

hate retoric coming from different directions. What could be the possible reason for people being attacked like this?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/there-was-an-attack-on-jewish-new-yorkers-almost-every-day-last-week-police-are-investigating-these-as-possible-hate-crimes/ar-BBYr8lV?ocid=spartanntp

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Stabbings inside a rabbi's home on the seventh day of Hanukkah marked the latest in a string of incidents that have targeted the Jewish community in New York.

On Saturday night, more than 100 people were gathered in the home when a man walked in and pulled out a knife that one witness said looked "almost like a broomstick."

The attack came a day after New York Mayor Bill de Blasio announced the city's police department would be increasing their presence in multiple Brooklyn neighborhoods.

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Monday

A 65-year-old man said he was punched and kicked near Manhattan by another man who was yelling "F*** you, Jew," the New York Police Department said. Steven Jorge, 28, was arrested. It was not clear if he had an attorney.

On the same day, a 67-year-old man in Brooklyn reported that a group of teenagers approached his 6-year-old son and another 7-year-old boy, striking them from behind. The victims were treated for minor injuries.

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A 25-year-old man in Brooklyn told police a group of people began yelling anti-Semitic slurs at him as he walked. One of them also threw their drink at him.

Also in Brookyln, a 56-year-old man said a group of people approached him and one of them punched him.

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On Christmas Day, a 40-year-old man dressed in "traditional religious clothing" walking home was approached by an individual who blocked his path. That individual allegedly punched the victim in the face when the man tried to let him pass.

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A woman was charged with assault as a hate crime after she allegedly attacked a 34-year-old Jewish woman in front of her child. Ayana Logan is accused of using her bag to hit the woman, NYPD said.

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Tiffany Harris, 30, was arrested and charged with harassment as a hate crime after she allegedly slapped three women in the head and face, police told CNN.

Also on Friday, a black man walked into the Chabad Lubavitch World Headquarters and allegedly threatened to shoot and kill people in the center.

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Five people were injured when a man walked into a rabbi's home in the New York City suburb of Monsey and stabbed them, according to police. A suspect was apprehended.

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I think we need to find out what is causing all these members of the black community to attack Jews in the NY/NJ area. This is 1991 Crown Heights all over again.

Two things immediately come to mind: Board of Education member Joan Terrell-Paige calling Jewish people "brutes" and accusing them of threatening, intimidating and harassing black homeowners.



And the Jersey City shooters at the Kosher supermarket, both of whom Terrell-Paige praised by stating "I believe they knew they would come out in body bags. What is the message they were sending? Are we brave enough to explore the answer to their message?" She certainly sounds like Farrakhan, another infamous anti-semite.

And certainly the anti-semitic rhetoric of Ilhan Omar hasn't helped.

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What a f***d up world we live in.
“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #10 posted 12/30/19 3:55am

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The wrong kind of people are all empowered everywhere, and they feel all validated. mad Antisemitism is everywhere, it is the same old long discredited BS popping up in everyones social media. We have to call it out for what it is and send these old ideas packing

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andrewm7 said:

The wrong kind of people are all empowered everywhere, and they feel all validated. mad Antisemitism is everywhere, it is the same old long discredited BS popping up in everyones social media. We have to call it out for what it is and send these old ideas packing


Agree.
Anti-Semitism is to be anti Phoenician, Jewish or Palestinian.
I agree those in power perpetuate anti-Semitism all the time.
White supremacy is a powerful tool of the ruling class to divide and conquer.

These are hate crimes. Just like the woman who ran over and killed black and Mexican children earlier in the week.

Hate crimes are very real.


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I saw a post that they have started to hire or have armed guards! I hope so! Sad that they need it..but I hope they are allowed the basic right of self defence.

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Crown heights has issues. The ultra-orthodox there are also very anti black. Bad world in the age of Trump.

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Five people were injured when a man walked into a rabbi's home in the New York City suburb of Monsey and stabbed them, according to police. A suspect was apprehended.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/federal-hate-crime-charges-filed-in-hanukkah-stabbing/ar-BBYsibA?ocid=ientp

Federal hate crime charges filed in Hanukkah stabbing

Federal prosecutors have filed hate crime charges against the 38-year-old man suspected of stabbing five people with a machete at a Hanukkah celebration in a New York City suburb on Saturday night.

At the Greenwood Lake, New York, home of suspect Grafton Thomas, investigators recovered journals which had anti-Semitic sentiments including references to Hitler and "Nazi Culture" "on the same page as drawings of a Star of David and a Swastika," according to the federal complaint.

The day of the machete attack, Thomas' phone was allegedly used to access an article titled: "New York City Increases Police Presence in Jewish Neighborhoods After Possible Anti-Semitic Attacks. Here's What To Know."

On Thomas' phone were searches including "Why did Hitler hate the Jews," according to the complaint.Thomas' family has denounced the crime and said he has mental health problems and no ties to any hate groups.

"Thomas has a long history of mental illness and hospitalizations," the family said in a statement issued Sunday night. "He has no history of like violent acts and no convictions for any crime. He has no known history of anti-Semitism and was raised in a home which embraced and respected all religions and races. He is not a member of any hate groups."

There were about 100 people at Rabbi Chaim Rottenberg's Monsey, New York, home at the time of Saturday's attack.

The rabbi's home is attached to the ultra-Orthodox Hasidic Jewish congregation's synagogue and he was hosting a ceremony to light the candle on the seventh night of Hanukkah when Thomas allegedly ran in, swinging a knife.

Five people were hurt, including one man who is in critical condition with a skull fracture, and one person who suffered a severed finger, officials said.

Josef Gluck, manager of the synagogue, said he was sitting in the dining room with 40 to 50 people when the intruder barged in wearing a hoodie and a scarf covering all of his face except for his eyes.

Thomas allegedly said to the victims "no one is leaving," took out a machete and started stabbing and slashing people, according to the federal complaint.

Thomas was arrested in Harlem after driving away from the scene. He was covered in blood when he was located by officers, authorities said.

A witness had given authorities the suspect's license plate number, so when license plate readers indicated the 2015 grey Nissan Sentra was in Harlem, officers searched block by block until Thomas was located.

Thomas was arraigned on Sunday and charged with five counts of attempted murder and one count of burglary, police said. He pleaded not guilty and is being held on $5 million bond at the Rockland County Jail.

Thomas' family said in its statement, "we believe the actions of which he is accused, if committed by him, tragically reflect profound mental illness."

The family also extended sympathies to those injured, saying, "[W]e express our deepest concern and prayers for those injured physically and otherwise deeply affected by the events of Saturday night and our family's earnest yearning for their well being. We thank those who rendered medical attention to each of those injured."

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Expressing outright hatred and violence has become normalized in this country in the past few years. There’s no taboos against it anymore

To quote a Yiddish expression: “ A fish stinks from the head”....
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jjhunsecker said:

Expressing outright hatred and violence has become normalized in this country in the past few years. There’s no taboos against it anymore To quote a Yiddish expression: “ A fish stinks from the head”....


Exactly.

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Expressing outright hatred and violence has become normalized in this country in the past few years. There’s no taboos against it anymore To quote a Yiddish expression: “ A fish stinks from the head”....


You must be very young to not know about the expressions of outright hatred and violence in prior decades.

It just seems worse to you today because there is a LOT more coverage and publicizing of incidents due to the internet and other forms of technology. Back in the day, you didn't hear about shit like this unless you read the newspaper or watched Walter Kronkite. lol


There's only 6 states in the US that don't allow Open Carry: Cali, FL, IL, NY, SC, DC. While SC's gun murder rate is DOUBLE that of Texas, DC's is 6 TIMES that of Texas! https://en.m.wikipedia.or...s_by_state
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Pokeno4Money said:

jjhunsecker said:

Expressing outright hatred and violence has become normalized in this country in the past few years. There’s no taboos against it anymore To quote a Yiddish expression: “ A fish stinks from the head”....


You must be very young to not know about the expressions of outright hatred and violence in prior decades.

It just seems worse to you today because there is a LOT more coverage and publicizing of incidents due to the internet and other forms of technology. Back in the day, you didn't hear about shit like this unless you read the newspaper or watched Walter Kronkite. lol


I'm probably a lot older than you think , Stephen. I grew up in the 70s and 80s and had low life Italian Americans and Irish Americans calling me "n***ER" on the streets of New York. I knew of neighborhoods where homes of Blacks were firebombed when they tried to move into White areas. Google the names Yusuf Hawkins and Michael Griffith and Willie Turks, to get an idea of the world I lived in. . I was around when Meir Kahane was murdered by an anti-Semite lunatic. I personally witnessed harassment of gays- in Greenwhich Village !- by ignorant youths. So I didn't need to read about these type of incidents on the internet- I fucking lived it ....



But as fucked up as those days were, you never had the actual President of the United States speaking publicly with hatred and disdain for fellow American citizens.


Do a little research, Stephen, learn something for a change....

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I think we need to find out what is causing all these members of the black community to attack Jews in the NY/NJ area. This is 1991 Crown Heights all over again.

Two things immediately come to mind: Board of Education member Joan Terrell-Paige calling Jewish people "brutes" and accusing them of threatening, intimidating and harassing black homeowners.



And the Jersey City shooters at the Kosher supermarket, both of whom Terrell-Paige praised by stating "I believe they knew they would come out in body bags. What is the message they were sending? Are we brave enough to explore the answer to their message?" She certainly sounds like Farrakhan, another infamous anti-semite.

And certainly the anti-semitic rhetoric of Ilhan Omar hasn't helped.

Not to justify any type of hatred or bigotry, but it DOES go both ways ....ALL of them need to be condemned and punished

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Reply #20 posted 12/31/19 5:37am

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We live in a racist, hate/filled world. I don't care what your religion is, this kind of non-stop violence is just sickening.
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Empress said:

We live in a racist, hate/filled world. I don't care what your religion is, this kind of non-stop violence is just sickening.

yet how many in this topic oppose Israel's right to defend themselves against terrorist attacks from Hamas?

Yo, let's keep it on the topic. Your post is an automatic -derailing- into another battle-discussion

Keep it on topic.

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Mr. leaps and bounds.

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I'm probably a lot older than you think , Stephen. I grew up in the 70s and 80s and had low life Italian Americans and Irish Americans calling me "n***ER" on the streets of New York. I knew of neighborhoods where homes of Blacks were firebombed when they tried to move into White areas. Google the names Yusuf Hawkins and Michael Griffith and Willie Turks, to get an idea of the world I lived in. . I was around when Meir Kahane was murdered by an anti-Semite lunatic. I personally witnessed harassment of gays- in Greenwhich Village !- by ignorant youths. So I didn't need to read about these type of incidents on the internet- I fucking lived it ....


Well it's good to see you agree that "hate crimes" are no worse today than they were decades ago, and perhaps they are even less common today.

But sticking with the subject, why are Jewish folks hated so much in the tri-state area?

Yes, for the most part they are wealthy and powerful. They own many businesses and dominate many forms of entertainment, especially Hollywood. It's probably fair to say they are the most successful demographic in American society.

But why resent them for it? Nothing was handed to them. They came to America with very little, they were treated like crap, and they dealt with a lot of discrimination.

But you know what?

They didn't sit on their asses complaining about how unfair life is.

They didn't blame everyone else for their own situation.

They didn't believe they were entitled to handouts or were justified in stealing from others.

What they did do is educate themselves and work their asses off.

They earned everything, nothing was handed to them.

So why hate them?

Sure they have some bad seeds, but every demographic does.



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There's only 6 states in the US that don't allow Open Carry: Cali, FL, IL, NY, SC, DC. While SC's gun murder rate is DOUBLE that of Texas, DC's is 6 TIMES that of Texas! https://en.m.wikipedia.or...s_by_state
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Pokeno4Money said:



jjhunsecker said:



I'm probably a lot older than you think , Stephen. I grew up in the 70s and 80s and had low life Italian Americans and Irish Americans calling me "n***ER" on the streets of New York. I knew of neighborhoods where homes of Blacks were firebombed when they tried to move into White areas. Google the names Yusuf Hawkins and Michael Griffith and Willie Turks, to get an idea of the world I lived in. . I was around when Meir Kahane was murdered by an anti-Semite lunatic. I personally witnessed harassment of gays- in Greenwhich Village !- by ignorant youths. So I didn't need to read about these type of incidents on the internet- I fucking lived it ....




Well it's good to see you agree that "hate crimes" are no worse today than they were decades ago, and perhaps they are even less common today.

But sticking with the subject, why are Jewish folks hated so much in the tri-state area?

Yes, for the most part they are wealthy and powerful. They own many businesses and dominate many forms of entertainment, especially Hollywood. It's probably fair to say they are the most successful demographic in American society.

But why resent them for it? Nothing was handed to them. They came to America with very little, they were treated like crap, and they dealt with a lot of discrimination.

But you know what?

They didn't sit on their asses complaining about how unfair life is.

They didn't blame everyone else for their own situation.



They didn't believe they were entitled to handouts or were justified in stealing from others.

What they did do is educate themselves and work their asses off.

They earned everything, nothing was handed to them.

So why hate them?

Sure they have some bad seeds, but every demographic does.



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What we are seeing is a RESURGENCE of the type of hate crimes that were common when I was younger, and many people thought were fading away.... What we see now is how easily hatred and violence can be brought back to the surface in a sick society with a bit of prodding and an acceptance of acrimony as a way of viewing the world.

Why do people hate Jews ? There’s no rational answer to that. The same way there’s no rational reason for people to hate Black people or Latinos or Muslims or LGBTQ people. It’s a sickness. The only real explanation is that people hate whole groups of people, most of whom they don’t even know, as a way to make themselves feel better about their own miserable lives and failures.
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Don't you two make this a battle between each other. Nor another anti-Trump thread. There is more to be discussed about this situation...

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Don't you two make this a battle between each other. Nor another anti-Trump thread. There is more to be discussed about this situation...



To ignore the role of Trump in the growing rise of hatred and intolerance in America today would be missing the big picture. Who would have ever dreamed that we would have a White Nationalist in the White House? Who could have ever imagined that a JEWISH White Supremacist would be working in the White House??
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jjhunsecker said:

OldFriends4Sale said:


Don't you two make this a battle between each other. Nor another anti-Trump thread. There is more to be discussed about this situation...



To ignore the role of Trump in the growing rise of hatred and intolerance in America today would be missing the big picture. Who would have ever dreamed that we would have a White Nationalist in the White House? Who could have ever imagined that a JEWISH White Supremacist would be working in the White House??

JJ very true. Both you and I grew up in NYC. We are aware of the many Black Americans that have lived and are living amongst those within the Jewish community. That’s why it is surprising to hear anyone from the Black community attacking Jews, because both the Black and Jewish communities share a similar history of racist attacks, and even in present day, from those outside our groups.

We also have to be careful of those outside both these groups, using these incidents for their own hidden agendas, and intention to divide, as well an opportunity to display their own prejudice towards one of these groups. That in and of itself doesn’t resolve any of these incidents, but just adds to the hatred already out there.

Thankfully members of both the Black and Jewish communities are reaching out, coming together (I.e., residents, religious leaders, elected officials, law enforcement and the Mayor), to find ways in resolving the issue, and making sure whomever are involved in these attacks, are caught and pay the price for their actions. All we can do, is pray that folks don’t get caught up in the public hate rhetoric of public figures, and use it as an excuse to display and act out their hatred.
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OldFriends4Sale said:

Don't you two make this a battle between each other. Nor another anti-Trump thread. There is more to be discussed about this situation...

To ignore the role of Trump in the growing rise of hatred and intolerance in America today would be missing the big picture. Who would have ever dreamed that we would have a White Nationalist in the White House? Who could have ever imagined that a JEWISH White Supremacist would be working in the White House??

Please let's keep Trump out of this one. There are so many things specific to each situation, that are being revealed. The energy of this kind of anti-semetism existed long before Trump. Opening door needlessly just get thread derailed. Like post #22. The victimss of these incidents are enough. Thank you for helping not derail the thread.

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