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Thread started 12/23/19 8:36pm

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Racist hit and run driver who intentionally hit Mexican teen hit another child (this one black) with car an hour earlier

https://www.cbsnews.com/n...019-12-23/

An Iowa woman who told police she intentionally ran over a teenager because she believed the girl was Mexican has been charged with another hit-and-run crash that hurt a 12-year-old boy. Nicole Franklin, who also goes by the name Nicole Poole, was charged Monday by Des Moines police with attempted murder in connection with a December 9 crash that occurred less than an hour before another crash in suburban Clive.

In the latest charge, Franklin was accused of leaving a roadway, travelling onto a sidewalk and hitting a 12-year-old boy in an apartment complex in Des Moines. The boy suffered minor injuries.

Witnesses to the crash told police that the vehicle accelerated prior to the crash, drove onto the sidewalk and hit the boy, CBS Des Moines affiliate KCCI reported.

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Wow. Just... wow.

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Reply #1 posted 12/23/19 8:44pm

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Also, the local article has video of her in a convenience store calling people the N word.

https://www.kcci.com/arti...n/30319247

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Reply #2 posted 12/24/19 9:16pm

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Attempted murder
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Reply #3 posted 12/25/19 2:06pm

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Further demonstrating the stupidity of the whole "hate crime" classification thing, she will not be charged with a "hate crime" because Attempted Murder doesn't qualify for the enhanced charge.

Obviously her crimes were driven by hate.

This is why they need to get rid of the whole damn thing and charge crimes based on the offender's actions, not their motivation.

If someone intentionally kills you, does it matter why they did it? Hell no!

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Reply #4 posted 12/25/19 11:21pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

Further demonstrating the stupidity of the whole "hate crime" classification thing, she will not be charged with a "hate crime" because Attempted Murder doesn't qualify for the enhanced charge.

Obviously her crimes were driven by hate.

This is why they need to get rid of the whole damn thing and charge crimes based on the offender's actions, not their motivation.

If someone intentionally kills you, does it matter why they did it? Hell no!

So you think the fact the attempted murderer stated THE ONLY reason for her attempting to murder RANDOM CHILDREN WALKING TO THEIR SCHOOL was because the children were latino/black shouldn't count against her?

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i mean... really?!? Seriously?!?

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I cant think of a better justification of hate crime charges than MOWING DOWN RANDOM CHILDREN ON THE STREET WITH A CAR BASED ON THEIR SKIN COLOR.

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Seriously; you're gonna defend this woman on hate crime charges? The one who just randomly selects POC kids to run over?
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disbelief

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Reply #5 posted 12/25/19 11:49pm

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I mean: this woman in no uncertain terms explicitly stated she targeted POC CHILDREN based solely on their skin color. I cant even wrap my brain around how that is in any way defensible.
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James Byrd Jr, who was one of the people whose murder gave us the hate crimes act was a black man who the killers horrifically murdered by dragging him for miles. ONLY BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN, like this woman.

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This is only less horrific in that she didnt manage to actually kill the POC children and didnt drag them by the bumper until they were dead.

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how in the world can someone minimalize this woman's horrific actions?? She literally and joyfully tried to kill children based solely on their skin color.
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thats only a very small step up from the nazis murdering jewish children intentionally based solely on them being jewish.
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What in the world makes this a defensible stand against hate crime laws?!?
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Reply #6 posted 12/26/19 6:32am

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Pokeno4Money said:

Further demonstrating the stupidity of the whole "hate crime" classification thing, she will not be charged with a "hate crime" because Attempted Murder doesn't qualify for the enhanced charge.

Obviously her crimes were driven by hate.

This is why they need to get rid of the whole damn thing and charge crimes based on the offender's actions, not their motivation.

If someone intentionally kills you, does it matter why they did it? Hell no!



That's a weird thing to be mad about.

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Reply #7 posted 12/26/19 10:48am

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Pokeno4Money said:

Further demonstrating the stupidity of the whole "hate crime" classification thing, she will not be charged with a "hate crime" because Attempted Murder doesn't qualify for the enhanced charge.

Obviously her crimes were driven by hate.

This is why they need to get rid of the whole damn thing and charge crimes based on the offender's actions, not their motivation.

If someone intentionally kills you, does it matter why they did it? Hell no!

Hate crime laws punish thought (If a man is considered guilty For what goes on in his mind Then give me the electric chair For all my future crimes). They just do and there is no good argument to be made aginst that--truth.

That is not to say there is not some room for hate crime laws. Just that they need to be used sparingly and only in cases where the acts are not themselves significant. They should only be uses to allow a minimum punishment.


So if an action: say petty theft and destruction of property or vandalism or some forms of of harassment which without elements of hate would be minor crimes then use the hate (the thoughts) as a way to get some punishment.

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Reply #8 posted 12/26/19 1:36pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Pokeno4Money said:

Further demonstrating the stupidity of the whole "hate crime" classification thing, she will not be charged with a "hate crime" because Attempted Murder doesn't qualify for the enhanced charge.

Obviously her crimes were driven by hate.

This is why they need to get rid of the whole damn thing and charge crimes based on the offender's actions, not their motivation.

If someone intentionally kills you, does it matter why they did it? Hell no!

Hate crime laws punish thought (If a man is considered guilty For what goes on in his mind Then give me the electric chair For all my future crimes). They just do and there is no good argument to be made aginst that--truth.

That is not to say there is not some room for hate crime laws. Just that they need to be used sparingly and only in cases where the acts are not themselves significant. They should only be uses to allow a minimum punishment.


So if an action: say petty theft and destruction of property or vandalism or some forms of of harassment which without elements of hate would be minor crimes then use the hate (the thoughts) as a way to get some punishment.

What in the world are you talking about?

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hate crime laws dont punish thought. No one has ever even prosecuted for having bigoted thoughts under hate crime laws.

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hate crime laws punish ACTIONS performed against people based on their skin color, religion, sexuality, or gender identity.

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this women isnt going to be prosecuted under hate laws for thinking about hitting POC children with her car. She's being prosececuted under hate laws for the action of having mowed down POC kids with her car.

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Reply #9 posted 12/26/19 2:08pm

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cborgman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Hate crime laws punish thought (If a man is considered guilty For what goes on in his mind Then give me the electric chair For all my future crimes). They just do and there is no good argument to be made aginst that--truth.

That is not to say there is not some room for hate crime laws. Just that they need to be used sparingly and only in cases where the acts are not themselves significant. They should only be uses to allow a minimum punishment.


So if an action: say petty theft and destruction of property or vandalism or some forms of of harassment which without elements of hate would be minor crimes then use the hate (the thoughts) as a way to get some punishment.

What in the world are you talking about?

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hate crime laws dont punish thought. No one has ever even prosecuted for having bigoted thoughts under hate crime laws.

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hate crime laws punish ACTIONS performed against people based on their skin color, religion, sexuality, or gender identity.

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this women isnt going to be prosecuted under hate laws for thinking about hitting POC children with her car. She's being prosececuted under hate laws for the action of having mowed down POC kids with her car.

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yeah keep telling yourself that. it is okay you seem to lack a debth of intelect.

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the reason hate crime laws as an enhancement to a major crime is Punishing thoughts it is ONLY that thought that makes it a hate crime. But some of the same that say it is NOT do not think hitting a person is a crime... you know if they do not like that person.

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Reply #11 posted 12/26/19 2:29pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

the reason hate crime laws as an enhancement to a major crime is Punishing thoughts it is ONLY that thought that makes it a hate crime. But some of the same that say it is NOT do not think hitting a person is a crime... you know if they do not like that person.

No, only. The action is what made it a hate crime. Your argument is absurd, but your legal cognizance is usually really lacking, so this is no surprise.

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and I didn't saying hitting someone isn't a crime, I said hitting someone with a milkshake is not a felony level assault and battery.

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god, you really don't exist in any kind of truthful reality.

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cborgman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the reason hate crime laws as an enhancement to a major crime is Punishing thoughts it is ONLY that thought that makes it a hate crime. But some of the same that say it is NOT do not think hitting a person is a crime... you know if they do not like that person.

No, only. The action is what made it a hate crime. Your argument is absurd, but your legal cognizance is usually really lacking, so this is no surprise.

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and I didn't saying hitting someone isn't a crime, I said hitting someone with a milkshake is not a felony level assault and battery.

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god, you really don't exist in any kind of truthful reality.

2 people do the same thing, to a similar victim, and use the same means and use the same words and expressions as they do... but one is not a hate crime...

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

cborgman said:

No, only. The action is what made it a hate crime. Your argument is absurd, but your legal cognizance is usually really lacking, so this is no surprise.

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and I didn't saying hitting someone isn't a crime, I said hitting someone with a milkshake is not a felony level assault and battery.

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god, you really don't exist in any kind of truthful reality.

2 people do the same thing, to a similar victim, and use the same means and use the same words and expressions as they do... but one is not a hate crime...

What are you babbling about?

if this woman ran over a white kid and then said she ran over them because they were white, it would still absolutely be a hate crime.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

cborgman said:

What in the world are you talking about?

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hate crime laws dont punish thought. No one has ever even prosecuted for having bigoted thoughts under hate crime laws.

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hate crime laws punish ACTIONS performed against people based on their skin color, religion, sexuality, or gender identity.

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this women isnt going to be prosecuted under hate laws for thinking about hitting POC children with her car. She's being prosececuted under hate laws for the action of having mowed down POC kids with her car.

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yeah keep telling yourself that. it is okay you seem to lack a debth of intelect.

How adorable. The orgs resident village idiot telling me I lack a depth of intelligence, neither of which words can he even spell.

as I said in a different thread, hubris and you are not a good combo, only. Every time you insult someones intelligence you manage to face plant by not even being able to complete the sentence properly.

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cborgman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

2 people do the same thing, to a similar victim, and use the same means and use the same words and expressions as they do... but one is not a hate crime...

What are you babbling about?

if this woman ran over a white kid and then said she ran over them because they were white, it would still absolutely be a hate crime.

showing that it was not JUST the acts or the words... but the thoughts...

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Reply #16 posted 12/26/19 2:57pm

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cborgman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yeah keep telling yourself that. it is okay you seem to lack a debth of intelect.

How adorable. The village idiot of the org telling me I lack a depth of intelligence, neither of which words can he even spell.

as I said in a different thread, hubris and you are not a good combo. Every time you insult someones intelligence you manage to face plant by not even being able to complete the sentence properly.

so dispite being told I have a disability you mock my spelling? Do you mock people with one leg for running slow? But I forgive you 3 out of 5 for a 36% forgiven

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

cborgman said:

What are you babbling about?

if this woman ran over a white kid and then said she ran over them because they were white, it would still absolutely be a hate crime.

showing that it was not JUST the acts or the words... but the thoughts...

no, it was very much the act.

As I pointed out before, thinking about mowing down POC kids with her car didn't get her arrested or charged.

the act of mowing down POC kids with her car did.

this is just another example of your very flimsy comprehension of law, much like your daffy insistence that quoting you is copyright violation, and throwing a milkshake at someone is felony assault and battery. You really have very litttle understanding of law.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

cborgman said:

How adorable. The village idiot of the org telling me I lack a depth of intelligence, neither of which words can he even spell.

as I said in a different thread, hubris and you are not a good combo. Every time you insult someones intelligence you manage to face plant by not even being able to complete the sentence properly.

so dispite being told I have a disability you mock my spelling? Do you mock people with one leg for running slow? But I forgive you 3 out of 5 for a 36% forgiven

What; you think I should honor you for misspelling the dumb insult you tried and failed to launch at me?

falloff

if a one legged person tries to kick me, and falls on his ass while trying to do so, of course I am gonna point out what an idiot he is for trying it.

if you're gonna try and insult me, at least do it competently, ya big whiner.

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cborgman said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

showing that it was not JUST the acts or the words... but the thoughts...

no, it was very much the act.

As I pointed out before, thinking about mowing down POC kids with her car didn't get her arrested or charged.

the act of mowing down POC kids with her car did.

this is just another example of your very flimsy comprehension of law, much like your daffy insistence that quoting you is copyright violation, and throwing a milkshake at someone is felony assault and battery. You really have very litttle understanding of law.

so one white man and one black man each attack a different black man and both use the same racial words... are you saying thoes are both hate crimes?

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

cborgman said:

no, it was very much the act.

As I pointed out before, thinking about mowing down POC kids with her car didn't get her arrested or charged.

the act of mowing down POC kids with her car did.

this is just another example of your very flimsy comprehension of law, much like your daffy insistence that quoting you is copyright violation, and throwing a milkshake at someone is felony assault and battery. You really have very litttle understanding of law.

so one white man and one black man each attack a different black man and both use the same racial words... are you saying thoes are both hate crimes?

If both tell the police they attacked the black man for being black, then yes. Obviously both are hate crimes.

what is too hard about this to grasp?

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but anyway: assuming she did these...I hope she gets the max for each as attempted murder.


Seems if convicted for both she could get 2 life-sentences. n a case like this these should be served consecutively...if she had run over 2 people at the same time then maybe concurrently. (If Iowa even has that)

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Oh, now I think I get your miscomprehension.

Because you don't understand how hate crime law works, you think only black people and gays and other racial minorities are covered. And you think these laws just target white straight people.

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cborgman said:

Oh, now I think I get yout miscomprehension. Because you don't understand how hate crime law works, you think only black people and gays and other racial minorities are covered. And you think these laws just target white straight people. .

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do you deny that one is and one is not a hate crime?

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cborgman said:

Oh, now I think I get your miscomprehension.

Because you don't understand how hate crime law works, you think only black people and gays and other racial minorities are covered. And you think these laws just target white straight people.

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oh and I have said many times black people can not be racist. But No you are wrong a white person can be the victim of a hate crime... just not for being white by a white person. If a black make commits certain crimes against a white man for being white that could be a hate crime. If a gay man victimises a straight man for being straight that coud be a hate crime.

your big error...what makes you lack debth of mind is you assume too much. As is the case here... all across... every word is wrong.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

cborgman said:

Oh, now I think I get yout miscomprehension. Because you don't understand how hate crime law works, you think only black people and gays and other racial minorities are covered. And you think these laws just target white straight people. .

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do you deny that one is and one is not a hate crime?

What?

Her hitting the hispanic kid and the black kid? I haven't heard her comments to police on the black kid, but both are likely hate crimes.

your theoretical in which a black guy and a white guy both attack black guys and then state they didn't because the victims were black? Already stated both are hate crimes.

what example are you talking about?

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

cborgman said:

Oh, now I think I get your miscomprehension.

Because you don't understand how hate crime law works, you think only black people and gays and other racial minorities are covered. And you think these laws just target white straight people.

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oh and I have said many times black people can not be racist. But No you are wrong a white person can be the victim of a hate crime... just not for being white by a white person. If a black make commits certain crimes against a white man for being white that could be a hate crime. If a gay man victimises a straight man for being straight that coud be a hate crime.

your big error...what makes you lack debth of mind is you assume too much. As is the case here... all across... every word is wrong.

A white person attacking or killing a white person and then stating their motivation was because the victim was white is very much a hate crime.

you really don't understand hate crime laws if you think otherwise. but again, not a surprise. You think all kinds of nonsense and don't understand law well. Hence your copyright nonsense, your felony A&B milkshake nonsense, and your utter nonsense about how hate crime laws only punish thought.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:


oh and I have said many times black people can not be racist. But No you are wrong a white person can be the victim of a hate crime... just not for being white by a white person. If a black make commits certain crimes against a white man for being white that could be a hate crime. If a gay man victimises a straight man for being straight that coud be a hate crime.

your big error...what makes you lack debth of mind is you assume too much. As is the case here... all across... every word is wrong.

What are you talking about? Anybody can be a racist no matter what color they are. neutral

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cborgman said:

So you think the fact the attempted murderer stated THE ONLY reason for her attempting to murder RANDOM CHILDREN WALKING TO THEIR SCHOOL was because the children were latino/black shouldn't count against her?

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i mean... really?!? Seriously?!?

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I cant think of a better justification of hate crime charges than MOWING DOWN RANDOM CHILDREN ON THE STREET WITH A CAR BASED ON THEIR SKIN COLOR.

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Seriously; you're gonna defend this woman on hate crime charges? The one who just randomly selects POC kids to run over?
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disbelief


Please tell me you're just trying to get some laughs by imitating Eddie Murphy's fake outrage towards the white couple in last Saturday's Mr. Robinson skit. Because you can't possibly be serious.

So why did you get rid of Uncle Arthur? He was a favorite of mine.

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Reply #29 posted 12/27/19 6:25pm

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RodeoSchro said:

That's a weird thing to be mad about.


If anybody is motivated enough to murder someone, I tend to think they didn't exactly like the person they murdered.

And I don't believe in placing a higher value on someone's life just because of their skin colour.

Every time an innocent person's life is intentionally ended by someone else, it's a tragedy.

Call me crazy.

There's only 6 states in the US that don't allow Open Carry: Cali, FL, IL, NY, SC, DC. While SC's gun murder rate is DOUBLE that of Texas, DC's is 6 TIMES that of Texas! https://en.m.wikipedia.or...s_by_state
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