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Afghanistan report bombshell: US officials misled public about war for nearly 2 decades

Afghanistan report bombshell: US officials misled public about war for nearly 2 decades

December 9, 2019

Senior US officials failed to tell the truth about the war in Afghanistan throughout the 18-year campaign — and hid “unmistakable evidence” that it was unwinnable, according to a damning report by the Washington Post.

The paper, which obtained a cache of government documents under the Freedom of Information Act after a three-year legal battle, reported that the American officials made “rosy pronouncements they knew to be false” about the longest armed conflict in US history.


https://nypost.com/2019/1...2-decades/

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welll, there ya go. still not as pointless as the iraq war, but pretty pointless and a massive waste of money and lives.

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Reply #1 posted 12/09/19 11:43am

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Reply #2 posted 12/09/19 1:57pm

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That's the problem with fighting wars against ideas. Ideas can't be killed, so a war on "terror" is by virtue of itself, an unwinnable war.

Add to that, its not like we're actively TRYING to win. This is basically Vietnam all over again in that we have no evident purpose for being there and doing what we're doing other than to give defense companies (which have become a large part of our economy, and who no politician wants to cross) a reason to make and distribute more of what they sell. I really think a lot of it is that, sadly ehough.

I think part of the reason Tulsi Gabbard is getting so much shit is because if she got elected, there would be a lot of people whose bottom lines would be affected drastically.

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Reply #3 posted 12/09/19 6:45pm

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Can you please post the article, because you have to join that website to view it. There’s no point in discussing what we can’t all read.
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Reply #4 posted 12/10/19 7:27pm

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D U H

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Reply #5 posted 12/10/19 9:26pm

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Every 10 years the U.S comes back like Sade with an apology for another war.

What is it called when someone plans their apology before they commit an offence?
This is just the same apology from Vietnam and Iraq.
It’s the same apology that has been used all over Africa, the Caribbean and Latin America for centuries.

The P.R firm working for the U.S military probably plan on recycling this apology for Iran and Venezuela.



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“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #6 posted 12/10/19 9:47pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

That's the problem with fighting wars against ideas. Ideas can't be killed, so a war on "terror" is by virtue of itself, an unwinnable war.

Add to that, its not like we're actively TRYING to win. This is basically Vietnam all over again in that we have no evident purpose for being there and doing what we're doing other than to give defense companies (which have become a large part of our economy, and who no politician wants to cross) a reason to make and distribute more of what they sell. I really think a lot of it is that, sadly ehough.

I think part of the reason Tulsi Gabbard is getting so much shit is because if she got elected, there would be a lot of people whose bottom lines would be affected drastically.




The war was won.
Weapons manufacturers made out like bandits.
Perhaps geopolitically they didn’t succeed as the New Silk Road project failed and resource extraction generally has failed in Afghanistan.
But people were hurt and killed, the military further solidified their position to continue doing this in other countries.
Military and weapons manufacturing is an industry that perhaps is even more lucrative than natural resources.

Now they are salivating as they turn and look at Iran and Venezuela.
I’m sure they are probably already writing an apology to Iran and Venezuela.





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“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #7 posted 12/10/19 10:01pm

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My spelling is atrocious but I’m sure that ‘Democracy’ is not spelt with an ‘S’ on the end.
General David Petraeus discussing why the U.S military was in Afghanistan.

https://m.youtube.com/wat...vQJcMmPmsY



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“It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet.
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VATICAN CITY (RNS) — In a school in downtown Rome on Friday (Dec. 6), the “bravest woman in Afghanistan” spoke to students about her faith, the Trump administration and the difficult legacy of four decades of war in her home country.

https://religionnews.com/...UWFkdxftqg
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Reply #9 posted 12/12/19 10:23am

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You never ever win a war.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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hausofmoi7 said:

guitarslinger44 said:

That's the problem with fighting wars against ideas. Ideas can't be killed, so a war on "terror" is by virtue of itself, an unwinnable war.

Add to that, its not like we're actively TRYING to win. This is basically Vietnam all over again in that we have no evident purpose for being there and doing what we're doing other than to give defense companies (which have become a large part of our economy, and who no politician wants to cross) a reason to make and distribute more of what they sell. I really think a lot of it is that, sadly ehough.

I think part of the reason Tulsi Gabbard is getting so much shit is because if she got elected, there would be a lot of people whose bottom lines would be affected drastically.

The war was won. Weapons manufacturers made out like bandits. Perhaps geopolitically they didn’t succeed as the New Silk Road project failed and resource extraction generally has failed in Afghanistan. But people were hurt and killed, the military further solidified their position to continue doing this in other countries. Military and weapons manufacturing is an industry that perhaps is even more lucrative than natural resources. Now they are salivating as they turn and look at Iran and Venezuela. I’m sure they are probably already writing an apology to Iran and Venezuela. . [Edited 12/11/19 0:18am]


Sometimes I wonder if in the future, the US will just rent out the military to the highest bidder and basically become the world' contractor. It's not like we make a whole lot here anymore and it seems like in some ways, our military is our biggest export.

Either way, when I heard what was said about Venezuela, it sounded to me a lot like what happened in Iraq was going to happen all over again.

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guitarslinger44 said:

hausofmoi7 said:

guitarslinger44 said: The war was won. Weapons manufacturers made out like bandits. Perhaps geopolitically they didn’t succeed as the New Silk Road project failed and resource extraction generally has failed in Afghanistan. But people were hurt and killed, the military further solidified their position to continue doing this in other countries. Military and weapons manufacturing is an industry that perhaps is even more lucrative than natural resources. Now they are salivating as they turn and look at Iran and Venezuela. I’m sure they are probably already writing an apology to Iran and Venezuela. . [Edited 12/11/19 0:18am]


Sometimes I wonder if in the future, the US will just rent out the military to the highest bidder and basically become the world' contractor. It's not like we make a whole lot here anymore and it seems like in some ways, our military is our biggest export.

Either way, when I heard what was said about Venezuela, it sounded to me a lot like what happened in Iraq was going to happen all over again.

lol...........in the future? That is what they do now.

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Reply #12 posted 12/14/19 7:58am

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4 trillion dollars wasted.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #13 posted 01/05/20 8:18am

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It was winnable and still is.. but like Russia the US is not fighting to win. (Like Batman beating Superman one was not really trying to win) I said the many years ago: we could win in a matter of days if not hours: but it would LOOK bad.


With foolish ROEs that make troops think twice before taking someone out... and wanting to avoid cry babies liberal protesters siding with the enemy... who can not grasp that most of the enemies are going to be "civilians" and many will be children (by our standards). The Irony is some of the same ones crying that we shot a 15 year old defend the same cult-ture's child brides....


but to say they mislead us as to the difficulties winning that is a lie as Bush said it over and over. (no I will not dig up the quotes). Those that are woke and pay attention know that this was going to be a different war and that there is no clear picture as to what victory will look like...

so as much as a like you all calling barack a liar (he is) I can not give this one to you... I am sure he did not like having to kill some of his buddies... but still he did keep it going.

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